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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on October 01, 2005, 03:48:21 AM
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Withdraw all our forces and replace them with all our prisoners. Then see if our nukes still work.
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Nash as a Canadian I must ask you, Terrance and Phillip skits are well rehearsed. What happens when you Canadians move fast while whining about something? Does yer head land back upon yer mouth, no matter what?
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On a serious note. We never should have gone into Iraq but since we have I fear if we pull out things will only get worse for us. Plus I feel if we do leave that all those GIs would have died for nothing and that bothers me the most.
Carter had disbanded our hit teams when he was Pres, or was it Ford? Anyway I think it much better to just kill the person that is the problem then it is to kill people who are only trying to defend their country.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Terrance and Phillip....
Who?
seriously... I dunno.
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Originally posted by Nash
Who?
seriously... I dunno.
seriously THE premeir Canadian comedy team???:( :confused:
How can you not remember them, they attendted the Canadian School for Gifted babies, and was on the Dick Clark show
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Nah... never heard of them. Never heard of the "Canadian School for Gifted babies" either. Not sayin' it aint real - just sayin' I don't know.
Anyways......
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Originally posted by Nash
The number of Iraqi battalions capable of combat without U.S. support has dropped from three to one.
What kind of support? That is a pretty broad and vague statement... if that is the case, most of Israeli military are incapable of combat without US support (mostly arms shipments).
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spend more time learning about your own country and less time worrying about your own and you might know who those guys are.
Did you make it to the big peace march in DC?
lazs
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Originally posted by Pooh21
the Canadian School for Gifted
Isn't that an Oxymoron?
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oh man. i thought this was a thread about boobies. :(
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Actually, there are
42 Regular Iraqi Battalions currently at full force and fully trained and equipped.
42,000 Iraqi men ready and actively participating in combat operations.
dago
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I am just suprised that Nash as a canadian doesnt know who Terrance and Phillip are
I mean seriously, somewhere, there is a hockey player and a mountie holding the maple leaf flag and crying.:cry
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nope
just yours
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I am just suprised that Nash as a canadian doesnt know who Terrance and Phillip are
I mean seriously, somewhere, there is a hockey player and a mountie holding the maple leaf flag and crying.:cry
No kidding. He needs to get a life away from his USA obsession.
Terrance and Phillip are the only Canadiens were listening too, certainly the brightest and most talented.
:D
dago
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yeah yeah but were are the boobies??
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The numbers of Iraqi national guard and police officers have been going up and down like a yo-yo for years now.
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How to win in Iraq?
Win?? In a 'traditional' sense?
Not likely. Don't think our citizens have the stomach for the kind of fight that would take.
Whats likely is Iraq getting itself up to speed enough for us to stop walking the streets with our own troops.
That will cost at least another thousand US lives and another 2 years minimum.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Withdraw all our forces and replace them with all our prisoners. Then see if our nukes still work.
Yeah that's it......Xargos for President!!!!! :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I am just suprised that Nash as a canadian doesnt know who Terrance and Phillip are
I mean seriously, somewhere, there is a hockey player and a mountie holding the maple leaf flag and crying.:cry
Well I have to confess I had no idea who they were either...thanks to google I now know... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_&_Phillip
I also now know where most of you get your information about the rest of the world and it explains a lot...:huh :)
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I'll say it again in a different manner Nash.
Bush never said the war would be easy. Nobody said the war would be over in 3 years.
You seem to base your views on the weekly news reports, not reality.
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asking a question is not acting like a "back seat" moderater.
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Nuke - that wasn't directed towards you. For it to be, you must willingly accept that that is the case - in which case there's no problem. If you don't accept it, then it's not.
I didn't get a chance to see your last post, but again I assume it has nothing to do with the Iraq war. Am I right?
You're not going to provoke a response out of me with anything else... so we're done.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah right.
It's like a leper. But hell... for most of ya, it's your leper.
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Nash, that's a pretty unfair statement in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah right.
It's like a leper. But hell... for most of ya, it's your leper.
Who are you adressing?
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I have been taking screen shots of all my posts. This is not a complaint, it's just a statement.
I love HTC and I think they do a great job. I have been a customer for several years.
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I was amazed at that information and wondered the same way as you are nash. I have no answer for you except to say that I cannot believe things are as bad as the media at large seems to suggest. Yes, the information from that hearing provided alot of anxiety for me but I always try to analyze all the available data into as large a picture as possible.
If things were really as bad as the average media spin on those statements suggests then the entire country (Iraq) would be in total chaos, I mean "50 million people screaming at the same time" kind of chaos, which is an earth moving thing, but I dont sense the earth moving anything like that...
I can only really believe that there is a ton of spin going down and the real truth must be very difficult to ascertain.
I do not think things are ever truly what the media portrays them to be -but I do believe the media provides a neccessary shade for the colour of our perspectives.
My perspective is probably more positive than yours on the subject of Iraq but I am certainly having my doubts about the outcome there. I remain hopeful that the situation eventually becomes stable.
One thing comes clear to me as of late, Islam is having a war with itself right now. Sunnis and Shiias are slaughtering each other at a frightening pace.
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nash... what is your point? that we are not making as much progress as we thought we would?
probly not. Happy?
lazs
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I'm not sure who "we" is.
Some of us didn't drink the Koolaid.
:)
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Nash was addressing all of us as lepers.
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It's like a leper. But hell... for most of ya, it's your leper.
Does owning a leper make me one?
:)
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Maybe Canada could take the lead in the war , and the whole thing would be wrapped up nice and tidy in no time at all.:aok
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Maybe the Canadians are smart enough not to have gotten into the war in the first place.
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Or maybe their people would be smart enough not to shoot the effort to win in the foot every chance they got.
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We've got billiions of dollars and the world's most powerful military.
...and you want to blame it on the dissent of the public?
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Not all the public, just the ones like you. ;)
I really don't blame you, your opinon is yours. Thats what I love about America. You and I obviously dissagree , and we debate it in the open, and the thought police isn't going to come after ethier of us. Yet.
I blame a political climate where the opposition party can say yes we need to go to war for the same reasons the President stated. Then they can sit back and snipe, and call him a liar to a fawning press that will play the same old crap over and over again until your head explodes.
I blame political leaders , and citizens , who are so zelious to have their way, and make their point, that they say anything or do anything. Even if it gives aid, comfort , and encouragement to the enemies of our troops over. A lot of liberials keep saying this is another Vietnam. If it's not their going to do everything in their power to try and make it one.
My own personal opinon is I wish we never went. I'd rather give Middle East Extremeist one warning. For every American you kill in the USA we'll kill 100 in the Middle East. By the way we'll do it without putting boots on the ground. We'll take your bellybutton out from a distance , and won't miss one quarter of Monday Football worrying about it.
However we did go , we are there. It's also my opinon that since we are there. We ethier kick bellybutton and take names, with extreme prejudice. Hunt down the problem and eliminate it.
I've had two sons serve in Iraq. Travis my oldest went in with the 4th Inf Division in April 2003. He served 12 months there. On the day he returned from Iraq in April 2004 we were notified his younger brother Thomas who had been in country since Jan 2004 with the 1st Cav Div had been wounded in Bahgdad. Thats a hell of homecoming. Our family was very lucky Thomas took shrapnel wounds from a morter shell , and was only lightly wounded in the left shoulder. The bad part was he had to stay over there and served 14 months in Iraq fighting in the Battle of Fallugia last year. He got home this past April a few scars but none the worse for the wear.
This doesn't make my opinon more important than yours by any means Sandman. However maybe you can understand my impaitence with people who want to belittle the effort over there.
:)
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I wouldn't use the word smart without first stating the obvious caveat. There is a large potentially militant muslim society within the organised affairs of canada. There is fear that governs the people of canada that this parasite society will rebel with terror.
Its the same as in England and france but the UK still has some collective balls and puts up some resistance.
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Originally posted by Shifty
This doesn't make my opinon more important than yours by any means Sandman. However maybe you can understand my impaitence with people who want to belittle the effort over there.
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Oh... don't get me wrong. I absolutely believe that the men (and women) over there are doing everything in their power to achieve success. Unfortunately, I think that the administration gave them an impossible task.
I'm glad your kids are home safe. IMHO, every soldier we lose in Iraq is just one more too many.
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Originally posted by Sandman
IMHO, every soldier we lose in Iraq is just one more too many.
Theres something we'll always agree on.:)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Or maybe their people would be smart enough not to shoot the effort to win in the foot every chance they got.
Shifty sounds kinda like a Marine officer you may have heard:
"Then how about getting with the program?
Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?"
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As long as we're in a popularity contest in foriegn affairs we're gonna lose troops.
The mission is lost. The message is lost.
Now it's attrition, public discontent and the economics of the battlefield that will steadily erode what small coinage we gained by tossing out saddam.
Choices? Few. Ride it out, get the Iraqi government up, keep it up. Ala Diem, Vietnam; corruption in the government, hate in the streets. Or pull out when the Iraqi's complete their government's constitution. Protect the nation from foriegn armies, but allow it's civil war to play out without intervention.
Or we can just pull out and do as Shifty suggests. Kill one of ours, a thousand of theirs meet Allah. Good as far as it goes.. however, there are nukes in Islamic hands. They may like the odds. I know I would in their shoes.
meanwhile.. whats happening here at home? The war has already cost us many many billions. Will likely cost us more. Let alone the costs in lost rights and freedoms. It's bankrupting the economy and will likely continue to do so.
Anybody see a way outta this burning forrest?
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Originally posted by Curval
Shifty sounds kinda like a Marine officer you may have heard:
"Then how about getting with the program?
Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?"
Your right Born to Kill on your helmet, but wear a peace symbol on your flak vest???:D
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well... the troops over there don't seem so upset as some of the people here on the boards.. in the meantime they are taking very light casualties.... not much worse than they would in years of war games and training and just plain living...
They are ridding the world of some real nasty folk too... I really doubt that there is an endless supply of terrorists (freedom fighters) from other countries willing to die 20 to 1 to kill Americans..... a lot of countries are missing their terrorists who ain't coming home... not standing upright anyhow.
lazs
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Anybody see a way outta this burning forrest?
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Eventually the sun will either burn out or go supernova.
As long as you have human beings you will always have this garbage going on. Always.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... the troops over there don't seem so upset as some of the people here on the boards.. in the meantime they are taking very light casualties.... not much worse than they would in years of war games and training and just plain living...
They are ridding the world of some real nasty folk too... I really doubt that there is an endless supply of terrorists (freedom fighters) from other countries willing to die 20 to 1 to kill Americans..... a lot of countries are missing their terrorists who ain't coming home... not standing upright anyhow.
lazs
Well said Lazs.
One thing I would like to point out, and again it's an opinon. Our enemy isn't as sqeemish about killing as we are. Anybody that can slowly behead a person with a large knife doesn't give a crap one way or the other about what others feel or think. They probably could give two chits about if you are for or against our involvement in the war. If your American, and if they get their hands on you....... Your dead period. Thats the only advantage I can see they have. They don't have to worry about political correctness.
There is no way for them to beat us. We may beat ourselve's , but they wont beat us. To me this is the only example where the War on Terror and Vietnam were similar. North Vietnam didn't beat the America. Americans beat America.
Hangtime I don't belive we even have to use nukes to teach em a lesson when terrorist strike us. I think we could do it with conventional weapons. I know theres a a lot of fear that Islamic fudemetalist may have their hands on a nuke. I'll bore you with one more opinon............ I think if they had one they would have used it already. Should they ever use one , I think our response would probably settle the Mid East problem for good.
Pull the trigger until the gun goes click, or silo in this case.
Okay I'm putting my soap box away for the rest of the day.:p
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The only thing we realy need to do is to just give Isreal our consent for them to do what ever they feel needs to be done.
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Originally posted by Xargos
The only thing we realy need to do is to just give Isreal our consent for them to do what ever they feel needs to be done.
Sure... and stop bankrolling them as well.
Let's see how well they get along with their neighbors without their hands in our pockets.
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Israel will never loose. As long as we stay on their side we will survive as well.
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I'm pretty sure the U.S. would do just fine without the help of Israel.
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My favorite subject is boobies
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When we turn our back on Israel we WILL fall.
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I sincerely doubt it.
I guess christian zionism is alive and well.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The mission is lost. The message is lost.
I am kind of curious on what knowledge source you base those statements?
Just curious, but are you over there, been over there, or have anyone close to you over there telling you what is going on, feeding you a complete picture? I dont know your background, maybe you are a military guy, I dont know.
I am only asking because I have nothing much more to go on than the slanted, incomplete picture that CNN and that ilk is providing, and I dont trust them. Read a book written by any quality war coorespondant and you will quickly realize how crappy most war coverage is, and how little the "reporters" actually bother to learn.
Then, toss in the liberal bias that too often slants a story or paints a very incomplete one, both at the reporter level, then in the network offices, and you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA.
dago
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Originally posted by Sandman
I sincerely doubt it.
I guess christian zionism is alive and well.
depends on where you live I guess.
:noid
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Dago...
Information isn't that hard to assemble.
If you're trying to say that there's only a choice between faulty news and no news... well that's incredible.
What does your laziness leave you with?
"...you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA. - Dago"
You sit there trying to tell me that while your country is at war, you are (mistakenly) unable to understand a single thing about it?
Just pretending that what you're saying is true - that would be fine with you?
Your laziness/avoidance is what it is....Okay fine. But trust me.... you paint a grizzly picture of your country when you try to pawn off your laziness/avoidance on the fact that while your country is at war, you're not able to find out what is going on. I'd be far more outraged at that than anything that might be going on in Iraq.
Thank god it aint true. It's just your laziness/avoidance.
This is awesome. Willful ignorance excused as "they don't tell us nothing" peddled as "don't criticize because we don't know."
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Originally posted by montag
depends on where you live I guess.
:noid
Believe what you want, but there are fundamental christian reasons for supporting Israel. Can't have the rapture without the state of Israel. It's a biblical thing... I'm sure you'll look it up.
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well... we probly aren't making as much progress as we thought we would have...
we are getting some really good troop training in a meanigful environment and.. since terrorists are so mobile these days...
We have rid the world of maybe 50-100,000,000 hard core psycopath ultra violent multi national fanatics. More every day... they come to die and we oblidge em... it matters not what the name of the killing ground is in my opinion.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nash
Dago...
Information isn't that hard to assemble.
If you're trying to say that there's only a choice between faulty news and no news... well that's incredible.
What does your laziness leave you with?
"...you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA. - Dago"
You sit there trying to tell me that while your country is at war, you are (mistakenly) unable to understand a single thing about it?
Just pretending that what you're saying is true - that would be fine with you?
Your laziness/avoidance is what it is....Okay fine. But trust me.... you paint a grizzly picture of your country when you try to pawn off your laziness/avoidance on the fact that while your country is at war, you're not able to find out what is going on. I'd be far more outraged at that than anything that might be going on in Iraq.
Thank god it aint true. It's just your laziness/avoidance.
This is awesome. Willful ignorance excused as "they don't tell us nothing" peddled as "don't criticize because we don't know."
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Originally posted by Shifty
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still trying to figure out how it is all a "failure"
lazs
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Originally posted by Dago
I am kind of curious on what knowledge source you base those statements?
Just curious, but are you over there, been over there, or have anyone close to you over there telling you what is going on, feeding you a complete picture? I dont know your background, maybe you are a military guy, I dont know.
I am only asking because I have nothing much more to go on than the slanted, incomplete picture that CNN and that ilk is providing, and I dont trust them. Read a book written by any quality war coorespondant and you will quickly realize how crappy most war coverage is, and how little the "reporters" actually bother to learn.
Then, toss in the liberal bias that too often slants a story or paints a very incomplete one, both at the reporter level, then in the network offices, and you will understand why I feel I cant judge really how the war is going from my vantage point in the USA.
dago
Hi Dago.. the Mission Lost.. the Message is Lost statement derives around the way we currently conduct the misson deployments.. walking patrols are just targets. Roving mech patrols are targets. Putting our kids in the line of fire to simply draw fire or triiger IED's is assinine.
The message lost dervies around the methods used to get in there to begin with. Like everybody else I believed the WMD ploy. Since then we've found that the suff is no longer in accountable hands.. we let it get away. Now, from the perspective of our average citizen and in the eyes of the world we are did an invasion on false pretenses. Wrong message.. hence 'message is lost'.
I favor an all-out approach to war fighting.. playing the 'occupier' in a hostile nation is not a winnable situation. On that basis I have some personal experience from a time and place where such polices failed the men asked to do the same job in pretty much the same way.
Lastly, reagrding the situtaion on the ground in Iraq these are just my opinions, not backed by anything other than what I see with my wide flat bellybutton glued to the couch watching what the media and the governemnt will let me see on the babble boxes.
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Originally posted by lazs2
still trying to figure out how it is all a "failure"
lazs
It's not a failure.
Hey Sandman................ Honest question because I'm just curious.
What is it that makes you so critical about Isreal? If it's the religous aspects I understand. As a Chrisitan , I believe that if the Isrealis are Gods chosen people. God will ultimately call the shots on their future. Theres nothing we can do to change it.
I'm not trying to hijack. I just want to know is it Isreal or Americas support of Isreal you seem to dislike. Or maybe I should ask what is it about Isreal that you see as wrong?
Again I'm asking for your opinon. Because personally I don't se them as threat to anybody , unless of course you attack them.
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Hiya Shifty.. possibly one of the few places I find Americans truly blinded by propaganda is in regards to Israel.
Here's a few things to check out, draw your own conclusions. Google searches will do pretty well.
USS Liberty
Dollar Amount Official Aid.. (for a 1st world country?)
History of and Policy of Sales to unfriendly powers of OUR technology.
Presence and activity of Espionage within our borders.
No Extradition agreement.
There's more.. but this should suffice for starters.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Hiya Shifty.. possibly one of the few places I find Americans truly blinded by propaganda is in regards to Israel.
Here's a few things to check out, draw your own conclusions. Google searches will do pretty well.
USS Liberty
Dollar Amount Official Aid.. (for a 1st world country?)
History of and Policy of Sales to unfriendly powers of OUR technology.
Presence and activity of Espionage within our borders.
No Extradition agreement.
There's more.. but this should suffice for starters.
Thanks Hangtime
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Originally posted by Shifty
It's not a failure.
Hey Sandman................ Honest question because I'm just curious.
What is it that makes you so critical about Isreal? If it's the religous aspects I understand. As a Chrisitan , I believe that if the Isrealis are Gods chosen people. God will ultimately call the shots on their future. Theres nothing we can do to change it.
I'm not trying to hijack. I just want to know is it Isreal or Americas support of Isreal you seem to dislike. Or maybe I should ask what is it about Isreal that you see as wrong?
Again I'm asking for your opinon. Because personally I don't se them as threat to anybody , unless of course you attack them.
I'm not a christian, so I don't view Israel through that filter.
I think our invasion of Iraq had little to do with oil and a lot to do with Israel. They are the country that gains the most benefit from the removal of Hussein.
You know what really annoys me about Israel? Espionage operations in this country from a supposed ally.
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Understood Sandy.
Actually the espionage suprises me as one of the things that people dislike Isreal over. I believe everyone is probably spying on everyone. Thanks for your answer.
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Compare and constrast with British or Canadian espionage in this country.
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I'm ready for war with Canada based on Nash alone!;)
Just Kidding Nash.
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I'm afraid it's untreatable, perhaps even terminal.
Thanks nevertheless for your medical advice.
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Anytime!:D
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well... if it makes just one canadian cry...
maybe we should get out?
lazs