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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hangtime on October 01, 2005, 03:40:16 PM
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Mayhaps the question should be 'which state is least likely to accept federal troop or agency incursion ala posse comitatus?
I ask because I may be considering relocating. Would like to be in a place where the folks are less likely to regard the federales as 'buddies'.
The three that come to mind off the top of my head are Idaho, Utah and Vermont. Any I've missed? Worse, any I've picked in error so far?
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We don't like the Feds that much down here in Alabama. They just happen to have a few key bases around this region that keep us in check. You know sort of like the USSR did with the Warsaw Pact and all that. I think its kinda like they wanted to keep us down after the Civil War and we just haven't been able to get rid of 'em yet.
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Kalifornia would have to be high on the list. We pay almost $2k per person more to DC than we get back. The rest of the country is holding us back economically. We could pay our entire state government budget with that money. We are supporting quite a few "red states". You're welcome, for now.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Kalifornia would have to be high on the list. We pay almost $2k per person more to DC than we get back. The rest of the country is holding us back economically. We could pay our entire state government budget with that money. We are supporting quite a few "red states". You're welcome, for now.
I'd settle for more Electoral votes. ;)
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And about 8 senators.
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California.
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I think Cally should be kicked out of the union for having the so many stupid politicians. Besides most of California in inhabited by non-citizens anyway.
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My family (the part that didn't run to canada) fought for the union. Thats where I will stay.
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California.
If California secedes we might as well take Navada too!:D We Calis neeeeeeeed new space in Southern Nevada:) and the whole north for testing our new weapons.
PS california is richer than "THA SOUTH" region combined or richer than whole mid states.
(just teasing:))
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Teasing hell, California IS rich, both economically and in resources. It would be a formidable country. Germany is smaller than Oregon and made quite an impression last century, you never know what motivated people can accomplish.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I think Cally should be kicked out of the union for having the so many stupid politicians. Besides most of California in inhabited by non-citizens anyway.
Which politicians would that be?
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All of 'em.
edit: maybe a diffrent question? Which ones ain't?
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In or out of the Union I want out of kalifornia... The politics of women and whiners is and nannies is way too much for me.
vermont won't leave... No back east states will.. I would put my money on arizona, texas or montana.... with Utah and idaho maybe..
problem is... they would none of them be able to stand up against the forces sent in to arrest their entire political body.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
In or out of the Union I want out of kalifornia...
lazs
Be sure to send us a postcard. :aok
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geeez why do you all hate Kalifornia besides Aaanold?:lol
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NYC, and I hope to cod they do.
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I would hope Florida would go first...only one land boarder to defend...and It's my home state.
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According to this BBS we sold New Orleans back to Frace.
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This thread is full of nonsense.
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I’d tell you to move to Alaska, but you’re really too much of a …
Doh! Wrong board!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This thread is full of nonsense.
Ya think? :aok
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
NYC, and I hope to cod they do.
:rofl
From the minds of Minolta.
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I hope its Massachusetts, so we would no longer have to stomach Ted Kennedy in our congress.
dago
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Ya know... he is just one out of one hundred.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Ya know... he is just one out of one hundred.
But probrably the most annoying, two-faced POS in the Senate.
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hmm, california and texas would probly have the best chances. or making it as countries. texas would be the 9th or 8th richest in the world. california probly 7th, if it cleared up its defacits. texas has a very good national guard tho, so if they all remained loyal to texas it would be a pretty good start to an army. plus we have a lockheed plant and stuff. haha, if we did succeed, mexico would probly invade us. thatd be a tough fight at the beginning.
For california, i dunno. theyd do ok if it wasnt for the stupid politics.:aok
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Who owns Feinstein?
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Was a book back in the 80s, one of those silly "what if" sci fi things Called "The Texas-Israeli War:1999" about Texas seceding from the Union (the Israeli part came from both sides using Israeli mercenaries in the war). Not really a very reality based book, but it had some interesting ideas. I've always thought if ANY state in the Union had what it takes to secede and hold it together, it would be Texas. California might have the size and economy to make it alone, but I have serious doubts about the political or social forces necessary to sustain California as an independent nation.
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Kalifornia would have to be high on the list.
Good riddance... a cesspool of humanity
secede
not suceed
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Of course there's also the thought that there is no way the US would put up with losing almost all of it's Pacific coastline and all those ports.
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Originally posted by lazs2
In or out of the Union I want out of kalifornia... The politics of women and whiners is and nannies is way too much for me.
vermont won't leave... No back east states will.. I would put my money on arizona, texas or montana.... with Utah and idaho maybe..
problem is... they would none of them be able to stand up against the forces sent in to arrest their entire political body.
lazs
Want some cheese with that? ;)
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Originally posted by Dago
I hope its Massachusetts, so we would no longer have to stomach Ted Kennedy in our congress.
More likely, the state would split in two. The LEFT half is really the RIGHT half.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Germany is smaller than Oregon
No it isn't.
Oregon = 96,003 sq. miles. Germany = 138,174 sq. miles.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Who owns Feinstein?
California (San Francisco)
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Originally posted by superpug1
mexico would probly invade us. thatd be a tough fight at the beginning.
LOL
Three donkies and a can of Villa mustache wax does not an invasion make. The rest of the country is here allready. :)
An invasion problem would come from a bit further south than Mexico. Distribution point comes to mind. It would be another gold rush...........only it would be a white rush. :)
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I think the District of Columbia left us all years ago.:p
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what would probly work best is if the country split in two with the red and blues states making up the two countries... I think the idealogical split between red and blue is too great to reconcile.
tikky... ahhnald is an improvement but not enough of one to save kalifornia.
Notice that it is the socialists that want to keep the union together? they need us more than we need them.
lazs
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Vermont actually has a grass-roots indepenence movement in place... sounds a lil freaky-deaky. Any other states have a developed program and platform in place?
Second Vermont Republic
The Green Mountain Independence Movement
The Second Vermont Republic is a peaceful, democratic, grassroots solidarity movement committed to the return of Vermont to its rightful status as an independent republic as was the case in 1791 and to support Vermont's future development as a separate, sustainable nation-state. Members of the Second Vermont Republic subscribe to the following principles:
Political Independence. Our primary objective is to extricate Vermont peacefully from the United States as soon as possible.
Direct Democracy. Vermont's strong democratic tradition is grounded in its town meetings which have served as the state's political mainstay for over two centuries. We favor devolution of power from the federal and state governments back to local communities and the extension of participatory democracy to the workplace and the farm..
Sustainability. We celebrate and support Vermont's small, clean, green, sustainable, socially responsible towns, farms, businesses, schools, and churches. We encourage family owned farms and businesses to produce innovative, premium-quality, high-value added, healthy products. We also believe that energy independence is an essential goal towards which to strive.
Economic Solidarity. We encourage Vermonters to buy locally produced products from small local merchants rather than from giant, out-of-state mega stores. We support trade with nearby states and provinces.
Quality Education. We would return to local Vermont communities the control and financing of small local schools.
Wellness. We encourage small locally controlled health care systems similar to those found in Switzerland in which, unlike the United States, patients, physicians, clinics, hospitals, and insurance providers are all in community with one another.
Nonviolence. Consistent with Vermont's long history of nonviolence, we do not condone state-sponsored violence inflicted either by military or law enforcement officials. However, we do support a voluntary citizens' militia to restore order in the event of political unrest or natural disasters. We are unconditionally opposed to any form of military conscription.
This is also one of only two states without a permit requirement for weapons, including handguns. Concelaed carry without a permit. Handgun purchase without permit. No waiting periods. No restrictions on quantity purchases. My, my. Imagine that. And it's about two hours drive north of here...
Hmmmm... looks like the east does have an oasis of freedom.
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Vermonters ......... is that a word? ......... have always been a bit on the "freaky" side, but in a good way (IMO). Perhaps it comes from having such a small state. The way one man put it is, its like being all part of a family (talking about politics in Vermont). Everyone knows everybody else, so you dont go to bed mad at each other. You just naturally have to work things out or you dont get along in politics in Vermont. That said, they also support the widest variety of political parties active in one state legislature at once. They have Communists and Libertarians and Independents and Democrats and Republicans and a couple of other smaller parties I cant remember at the moment, and all of them seem to work together despite their different ideologies to get things done. From the sense I can get of it, their motto should be "Do whatever you like, as long as it doesnt infringe on anyone else's right to do what they like. Then we have a problem."
And while you are admiring that wonderful Pro-Gun atmosphere there, just remember that the Gov. of Vermont was once the same Howard Dean everyone makes so much fun of now.
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Anybody got any dirt on Dean beyond his 'Heyyyyyah' demeanor in a national primary?
The guy doesn't act Presedential. Big freakin deal. He's been a staunch supporter of personal freedom regardless of his fopah's on national TV. He never screwed his constituents as far as I'm aware.
A politician that stays 'bought' is beyond price in the trenches behind closed doors.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
A politician that stays 'bought' is beyond price in the trenches behind closed doors.
By staying "bought", are you refering to him trying to put forth the idea that George Bush knew 911 was going to happen and did nothing to stop it?
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Enh?
You got an actual quote, in context? Or is this just a talking head's take on a partisan viewpoint?
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It did happen on one of the talking head shows like Meet The Press, Face the Nation or some other political news show.
It was the Bob Novak Show heres a link .
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/12/far03006.html
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Kalifornia would have to be high on the list. We pay almost $2k per person more to DC than we get back. The rest of the country is holding us back economically. We could pay our entire state government budget with that money. We are supporting quite a few "red states". You're welcome, for now.
http://www.weneedafence.com have the right idea for Cali.
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Originally posted by Steve
Kalifornia would have to be high on the list.
Good riddance... a cesspool of humanity
secede
not suceed
Im still laffin at this....
Steve, I can't tell you how happy I am to read you dislike californians. Cold hard fact for you here Steve-
thousands and thousands of Californians are selling their homes here in Cali. for 3-4 times what they paid. And buying homes outright in AZ, sometimes 3-4 homes so they can retire on the positive cash flow. Think about that while your at work ;)
So Steve, are you going to stay in "New California"? or where will you move to? :rofl
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As they say Shifty, "Actions speak louder than words."
I dont think Dean would make a great President, only because he gets a little too worked up sometimes and the brain doesnt have time to filter the mouth. I think alot of us have experienced that, but you have to have that filter if you want to be a good President. Dean SAYS alot of things, in support of his party (thats his job now yanno). I've argued for a long time that his actions are far more moderate, and even conservative, than his liberal speech since he became front man for the DNC. He's trying to keep the liberal Dems close enough to count on. Every politician talks out of both sides of his mouth, thats what they do. When they get down to it and have to make a decision on important issues though, you see what they are really like. I've not seen anything in Dean to make me dislike him, except his big mouth. And again, thats his job. To be a mouth. To distract attention from the little screwups of other Dems. To maybe draw fire on the Republicans for some of their little screwups, and make them seem bigger. He's not the most subtle man in the world, so he makes up for it with enthusiasm. Maybe its just my personality, but I kinda like that.
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Originally posted by Monk
More likely, the state would split in two. The LEFT half is really the RIGHT half.
Nah, the left half works in the right half, and the right half goes camping in the left half. But most important, who would get the six flags?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Nah, the left half works in the right half, and the right half goes camping in the left half. But most important, who would get the six flags?
:aok
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Teasing hell, California IS rich, both economically and in resources. It would be a formidable country. Germany is smaller than Oregon and made quite an impression last century, you never know what motivated people can accomplish.
Are you kidding?!
With all the gays and tree hugers living there they could be beaten by France!
They would die off in just a few short years.:rofl
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Right, because gays are pushovers, like in Sparta... oh.. wait.
BTW, Germany was just a bunch of 'schnitzel eating' and 'lederhosen wearing' polka dancers, right?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I would hope Florida would go first...only one land boarder to defend...and It's my home state.
Ha, with the US's naval power you think thats a good thing?
i guess I dont get this thread, but I would think Utah to be the most likely candidate.
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I change my vote to Utah, followed by "Pepsi presents California, a wholly owned subsidiary of Lockheed-Disney".
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My vote is for Vermont :D... or Maybe Texas.......
Maybe being on the borders gives you a little perspective?
There or a few advantages to haveing a sizeable federal govement. However, the federal govement has growen huge, fat and dumb.
We need things like the dollar.... could you see Vermont issueing it's own money!?!?!... Texas maybe... but not Vermont
And you need defense to a point...(I think the military industriual complex is overbuilt) But you still need some defensive military, even in the nuclear age.
But for most things..... Small and local is best, otherwise you get Tax dollars pouring out from area's that don't see a federal return .... point and case in recent memory.... the New Orleans levee's lack of federal funding. Instead we get 100 million$ bridges to nowhere in Alaska.
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(California)With all the gays and tree hugers living there they could be beaten by France!
Do you know how San Francisco came to be the 'gay capital' of the U.S.?
I've heard it has something to do with the Navy, and a 'lifestyle' many had adopted during service.... and San Francisco being a big western port.....
And what's your problem with enviormentlists? Have you ever actually seen a clear cut forest? The results of a heavy rainfall after? I wonder if you'd be a 'tree hugger' too after such an experiance.
And why does everyone pick on the French? Would you openly resist with panzers rolling down your block? Or maybe you'd go 'underground' like the french resistance?
Then you wouldn't have your silly jokes would you? Facts are such a pain when you are just trying to make a joke :D
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^Damn French Tree hugger!
The only thing worse would be a California French Gay Tree hugger.:lol
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While it isn't directly applicable to seceeding, some of them goofy libertarians have already thought about the relocating issue. New Hampshire won.
http://www.freestateproject.org/news/media_archive/0098.php
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FWIW, I dont think Vermont would ever secede. They'd be more likely to march on DC and shoot everyone on Capitol Hill, and start over again.
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tarmac... a good book about that is molon labe... it explains why any eastern high population density state is a bad choice... the eastern egghead libertarians can't drag themselves away tho..
a libertarian takeover would be much smarter in a less populated western state.
lazs
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Can ya sum it up in a few sentances, Lazs? Gimme something to go on here. :)
Of course in the case of NH and the Freestate Project, they're talking about a political takeover, not anything as extreme as the secession the thread is about.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
But for most things..... Small and local is best, otherwise you get Tax dollars pouring out from area's that don't see a federal return .... point and case in recent memory.... the New Orleans levee's lack of federal funding. Instead we get 100 million$ bridges to nowhere in Alaska.
IIRC, there was money for the levee's... it was diverted by the local government to dredge out a harbor that didn't need it.
And what's your problem with enviormentlists? Have you ever actually seen a clear cut forest? The results of a heavy rainfall after? I wonder if you'd be a 'tree hugger' too after such an experiance.
The movement was hijacked by anti-capitalists a long time ago. Now the message is so convoluted it's painful. You know we've only lost 1% of our total woodlands in the last 100 years right? Lumber companies aren't stupid. They renew their supply by planting more trees so they continue to have a product.. or they'd be out of business. The problem is actually in the 3rd world where there is no regulation of any sort and the forests are cleared for farmland.
If you want fun, go to a rally/protest/whatever with a petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide. You'll get hundreds of signatures to ban water (it's used in pesticides & nuclear plants!). It's how middle & upper classes assauge their guilt at having a high standard of living.
And why does everyone pick on the French?
Because it's easy.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Mayhaps the question should be 'which state is least likely to accept federal troop or agency incursion ala posse comitatus?
I ask because I may be considering relocating. Would like to be in a place where the folks are less likely to regard the federales as 'buddies'.
The three that come to mind off the top of my head are Idaho, Utah and Vermont. Any I've missed? Worse, any I've picked in error so far?
I've told my family that if Hillary somehow finds the White House, that we will move back to Texas....it's the only state that would ever suceed from the Union.
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tarmac... the idea of the book was that the freestaters that wanted wyoming split from the effete east coasters and moved into strategic counties in wyoming... they took over the county offices... (if you can't live in a free country then a free state is the next best thing... if you can't live in a free state then a free county is the...etc.)
they take over state legislature by continueing to take counties and finaly take the main offices in the state... the book presumes that the movement will snowball in the state.
At the point that the government is all libertarian (or a form of) they start making their own laws... not suceeding but simply challenging the feds by making a lot of federal laws null and void based on constitutional principles... Most if not all the new people are hard working and or independent financialy and the laws (and weather) discourage socialists and losers from moving in.
they get rid of all the federal gun control acts. molon labe means... "come and get em".
lazs
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Originally posted by Rude
I've told my family that if Hillary somehow finds the White House, that we will move back to Texas....it's the only state that would ever suceed from the Union.
Or maybe you could get Baldwin's house in Canada when he moves back to the States.
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I kinda like the libertarian approach to county and state behavior modification. The more I think about it, the more it makes me smile.
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Originally posted by Rude
I've told my family that if Hillary somehow finds the White House, that we will move back to Texas....it's the only state that would ever suceed from the Union.
You give the President far too much credit.
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THe Florida keys suceeded from the union in the mid 80's because the feds set up road blocks all cars leaving the keys were search for drugs.they were know as the Counch republic passports were printed and then the feds left and things went back as befor.their still signs of the Counch republic.