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Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 02, 2005, 10:58:13 PM

This is the first one, without the bright yellow on the cowling. I've still got to tweak the camo a lot and the weathering layers are all turned off. This is just a preview.

I need some help, though. When Graf was flying this 190 he was in the "Jagd Erganzungsgruppe Ost" which if I recall is some sort of development/training unit. One webpage I searched listed him as being in: "JGr Ost" -- but I'm not sure if that's a real abbreviation. Is this the proper unit, and how do I list his squad for the 190a5.txt file??

Also, does anybody have a close-up picture of the white circles with "202" in it and green laurel leaves around it? Or something similar that I can make my own based on it?

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/graf1.jpg)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 03, 2005, 12:36:08 AM

camo's looking better

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/graf2.jpg)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: straffo on October 03, 2005, 02:24:17 AM

look good but (there is allways a "but" :p)

The medium gray look a bit to light and the light gray is too light (IMO of course :))
Why the white border around the red petal on the cowling ?

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 03, 2005, 10:48:46 AM

Only one source does *not* have the white border, and that is the profile I posted for comparison. All others, including scale model decals, and even the later model with the yellow cowling all have a white border. So I put it in.

I'm worried that maybe the greys are a little too light. I have a B&W picture of the real deal (the one with the yellow cowling) and it's not such a dark color. The colors are all rather light, despite the picture's contrast being too harsh.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 03, 2005, 02:48:05 PM

Is this better? It seems to better match the proper colors of the time, but I'm not sure if its lost something in the transition to darker greys.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/graf3.jpg)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Blixen on October 03, 2005, 05:59:17 PM

can u use iron cross on tail it looks bare imo

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 03, 2005, 11:22:44 PM

iron cross would look totally out of place on the tail. Unfortunately that's the way it has to look. I just hope that when I put on the circle with "202" in it on the rudder it will help allieviate the problem.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Citabria on October 04, 2005, 01:10:18 AM

put a black square on the tail thats legal

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 04, 2005, 02:04:14 AM

Yeah but it looks funny.

like this:

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/Graf_phase1_boxart.jpg)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: straffo on October 04, 2005, 02:54:25 AM

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Originally posted by Krusty
Only one source does *not* have the white border, and that is the profile I posted for comparison. All others, including scale model decals, and even the later model with the yellow cowling all have a white border. So I put it in.

All right.
 

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I'm worried that maybe the greys are a little too light. I have a B&W picture of the real deal (the one with the yellow cowling) and it's not such a dark color. The colors are all rather light, despite the picture's contrast being too harsh. [/B]

Well I won't trust a old B&W picture for contrast (expecially an old film) the best way to do it is to do it acocording to your feeling :) (I know it don't really help)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 04, 2005, 10:50:06 AM

Good point. That actually does help a bit.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 05, 2005, 03:09:04 PM

I think I'm done.

Also got a pretty cool action shot offline.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/graf4.jpg)

Will post some finalized pics later, now have other things to get ready for.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: SkyChimp on October 05, 2005, 04:15:42 PM

Way too clean lol...:furious

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Citabria on October 05, 2005, 06:12:14 PM

try a different material setting.

its got no shading it seems

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 05, 2005, 08:35:17 PM

1) It's too "clean" because that image is washed out (looking at the sun). It's got weathering on it, stains and discolorations, but this is a plane from the time when the LW kept good care of their front line fighters, so I didn't go overboard.

2) 190s don't use the materials file. That's only for planes with BMF.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 06, 2005, 02:25:17 PM

These are those pics I promised y'all. I pulled the previous ones so I could save bandwidth (these alone are 360+kb for every one of yas that looks, dial up users BEWARE!

I don't like the green tint to the current cockpit. Historically it was dark grey and black. Not green. I changed that, and if you're sharp you'll spot one other thing I did (probably not historic but helpful)

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/0.jpg)

These are shots showing the general details.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/8.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/2.jpg)

These show specific details.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/4.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/5.jpg)

And this is a better action shot:

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/17.jpg)

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: SkyChimp on October 06, 2005, 04:25:43 PM

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Originally posted by Krusty
These are those pics I promised y'all. I pulled the previous ones so I could save bandwidth (these alone are 360+kb for every one of yas that looks, dial up users BEWARE!

I don't like the green tint to the current cockpit. Historically it was dark grey and black. Not green. I changed that, and if you're sharp you'll spot one other thing I did (probably not historic but helpful)

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/0.jpg)

These are shots showing the general details.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/8.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/2.jpg)

These show specific details.

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/4.jpg)
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/5.jpg)

And this is a better action shot:

(http://www.nakatomitower.com/17.jpg)

eek:eek: Ill find a nice chipping tut or get fes to help ya out im not very good either hehe:p

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 06, 2005, 07:42:01 PM

I don't like the chipping by the walk areas, but I didn't mean for it to be that obvious. At the last minute I moved a weathering layer from just above the paint chip layer to just below the paint chip layer, and it made them stand out more in that spot. I thought they were almost gone in that area.


Hell if it were up to me there'd be precious little paint chipping, but I'm trying new things with every skin I do. And people seem to like weathered skins . Go figure.

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: SkyChimp on October 06, 2005, 08:12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Krusty
I don't like the chipping by the walk areas, but I didn't mean for it to be that obvious. At the last minute I moved a weathering layer from just above the paint chip layer to just below the paint chip layer, and it made them stand out more in that spot. I thought they were almost gone in that area.


Hell if it were up to me there'd be precious little paint chipping, but I'm trying new things with every skin I do. And people seem to like weathered skins . Go figure.

Can you send me a copy ive learned alot since that last time:lol

-SkyChimp

Title: graf's (first) 190a5
Post by: Krusty on October 06, 2005, 09:38:08 PM

Fair 'nuff. I'm curious as to what you can do :)

Check e-mail. It's a hefty file tho', 3+ MB zipped.