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Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Bronk on October 05, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
Was thinking of this late last night. What 2 people would I most like to see fight it out.
Here is what i would like to see and the set up.
1. best 2 out of 3 at 3 diff alts.
2. alts will be at 2k, 10k, and 20k

Now as to what people "d like to see do this .

Akak in a 38 of choise, can be a diff 38 for each alt.
Levi in a spit  of his choise, can be diff spit for each alt.

Now this is not meant to be calling anyone out or turn into a pissing contest. I have a lot of respect for both these pilots and there skills. This is just something I would love to see on film. Just 2 great pilots in 2 good fighters. Ohh and I already know I'd last about 2 turns before the both of them would have me shot down in a duel.


Now I'd like to see who every one else would like to see in this kind of set up.

Bronk
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Post by: Paul on October 05, 2005, 09:49:26 AM
It'll take forever... that I know.
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Post by: dedalos on October 05, 2005, 09:50:13 AM
:rofl :lol

This should be a good one to watch, if you have a couple of days.

Zazen Vs SHawk.  Give them 100% fuel and watch them stay a sector apart hoping the other guy runs out of fuel so they can pick him off on the way down.  SHawk may have the edge here sinse the 190s have a better range than the Tyffi
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Jackal1 on October 05, 2005, 09:56:34 AM
:D :furious :rofl
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Post by: Furball on October 05, 2005, 10:52:59 AM
Mane vs. Shane

Not only does it rhyme, but it would be worth it just to see what the loser says to the other on open channel afterwards :D
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Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2005, 12:06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
Mane vs. Shane

Not only does it rhyme, but it would be worth it just to see what the loser says to the other on open channel afterwards :D
Furball, you lucky punk castrati,  Id like to see Levi vs wildthing spitV's 1/8 fuel.
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Post by: Xbnm on October 05, 2005, 12:45:06 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Furball, you lucky punk castrati,  Id like to see Levi vs wildthing spitV's 1/8 fuel.

IMHO, Levi would win at least 4/5.
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Post by: Nomak on October 05, 2005, 12:49:04 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Furball, you lucky punk castrati,  Id like to see Levi vs wildthing spitV's 1/8 fuel.


Its been done many times.  Films have even been posted in this forum.

Most of these kind of duels have been done.  They are usually out of the public eye though.
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Post by: Nomak on October 05, 2005, 12:52:26 PM
What you guys should understand is that once a certian skill level is reached you have a bunch of guys who can beat each other on any given night.  Some nights the shots fall other nights they dont.

That is why alot of these duels are not made public.  Just because player X beats player Y on Monday doesnt mean he can do it again on Thursday.  it also doesnt mean that player X is always "Better"  sometimes but certianly not always.

Dave
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Post by: AmRaaM on October 05, 2005, 01:00:13 PM
only duel i'd like to see is the Hustler Honeys vs Penthouse Bunnies.

everything else is just blah and ho hum.
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Post by: ballgag on October 05, 2005, 01:07:45 PM
I agree with Nomak, but rather than settle some "who's the best" argument, I think the real value would come from being able to see the films from some seriously great sticks.

Like being able to replay a Kasparov chess match, minus all the geekyness associated with actually replaying a kasparov chess match...
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Post by: Bronk on October 05, 2005, 01:09:36 PM
I realy didn't post this to see who was better . It was meant to be more along the lines of showcase of superior SA and ACM. Not a final " see I'm better than you " duel. Like I said I have alot of respect for both these pilots. I thought a film of there duels in there respected aircrafts might be a great film .


Thinking I opened a can of worms i shouldn't have. Ahhh well .


I hope that Akak and levi when and if they read this....
Please read this with the spirit I intended .

Bronk
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Post by: Schatzi on October 05, 2005, 01:15:36 PM
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Originally posted by Nomak
What you guys should understand is that once a certian skill level is reached you have a bunch of guys who can beat each other on any given night.  Some nights the shots fall other nights they dont.

That is why alot of these duels are not made public.  Just because player X beats player Y on Monday doesnt mean he can do it again on Thursday.  it also doesnt mean that player X is always "Better"  sometimes but certianly not always.

Dave




Someone once said to me: "When two good sticks duel, he who makes the first, tiny mistake, looses the fight." It would apply to those kinds of duels as well i guess. And a mistake can happen anytime to anyone.

And i agree with Bronk. The films would probably be awesome to watch. Or very very short ;).
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Post by: Nomak on October 05, 2005, 02:02:30 PM
Funny Pellik never gets mentioned with the p38 big Dogs.  He should he iz one bad Mutha and a cool guy.
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Post by: FX1 on October 05, 2005, 02:19:55 PM
Is their a point that people stop asking to duel. When I first started this game I would duel 3 times a week with random people that I PO. I have not had a challenge in the last 6 months. Maybe it’s because I never really get mad our talk trash but that’s just me. Also ElevenK is not that bad and he can fly anything after leaving the JB's.
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Post by: Lazerr on October 05, 2005, 04:06:16 PM
Teeedub, the three guys you mentioned have a little different flying style than AKAK.  Not saying AKAK isn't great stick, but he is better the higher he gets.  P38 very different plane at 5k, compared to 15k.

I'd like to see fester in his prime,(when he actually plays) up against levi in p40's.

Nomak is right, pellik is a pretty good 38 stick, been to DA with him 1 or 2 times, and fights went both ways.  It really does depend on what day you catch the pilot.  I know some days I couldn't shoot a goon on auto pilot, but then other days I could kill a pack of la7's.



:D
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Post by: mechanic on October 05, 2005, 04:10:39 PM
me vs anyone as long as i win.
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Post by: Karnak on October 05, 2005, 04:45:21 PM
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Originally posted by mechanic
me vs anyone as long as i win.

That's asking an awful lot, don't you think?:p
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Post by: Lazerr on October 05, 2005, 06:09:49 PM
that just wouldn't be fair   :rolleyes:
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Post by: Tumor on October 05, 2005, 06:17:41 PM
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Originally posted by TW9
akak vs someone like Killnu lazer or  blixen would be a better fight to see.. i dont think lev vs akak would be much of a fight..


Putt'em in 38's.

Tumor
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Post by: Slash27 on October 05, 2005, 06:54:55 PM
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Originally posted by Nomak
Funny Pellik never gets mentioned with the p38 big Dogs.  He should he iz one bad Mutha and a cool guy.


Savige either.
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Post by: AWkrull on October 05, 2005, 07:18:08 PM
Maybe a better way to look at this is to put them in planes that they have the least mount of experience in and see where it falls then! I.E. Levi in a goon and AKAK in a goon and see who can stay on the six the longest:aok
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Post by: Morpheus on October 05, 2005, 07:19:34 PM
Drex & 88742135
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Post by: Robert on October 05, 2005, 08:02:52 PM
<<<--- Never gets mentioned.


RWY
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Post by: Wolfala on October 05, 2005, 08:10:33 PM
Don't care - but P-38 vs any P-47 at altitude would be a fantastic round. Whether AKAK, myself, Nomde, Saviage - doesn't matter.
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Post by: Urchin on October 05, 2005, 10:00:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nomak
What you guys should understand is that once a certian skill level is reached you have a bunch of guys who can beat each other on any given night.  Some nights the shots fall other nights they dont.

That is why alot of these duels are not made public.  Just because player X beats player Y on Monday doesnt mean he can do it again on Thursday.  it also doesnt mean that player X is always "Better"  sometimes but certianly not always.

Dave


Exactly.

As far as I know, Akak isn't in that group though.
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Post by: Scrap on October 06, 2005, 01:24:10 AM
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Originally posted by Nomak
Funny Pellik never gets mentioned with the p38 big Dogs.  He should he iz one bad Mutha and a cool guy.


Prolly onena the better of the bunch since he can often be found low N slow in the 38, AND still handle it like a champ!
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Post by: killnu on October 06, 2005, 05:42:26 AM
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Originally posted by Scrap
Prolly onena the better of the bunch since he can often be found low N slow in the 38, AND still handle it like a champ!


most of us can be found down there from time to time....everytime ive run into pellik tho, was him picking me or him picking somebody that was 200 in front of me...was a few times we actually had a good go around, and ill tell you one thing, he is one heck of a shot.  

Point is, he does not fly down in the dirt anymore or less than a bunch of us, but when he does, he knows how to work it, and not many know how to do that.

so...where has he been, havent seen him in months.
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Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2005, 06:45:13 AM
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Originally posted by Nomak
Funny Pellik never gets mentioned with the p38 big Dogs.  He should he iz one bad Mutha and a cool guy.
Pellik is the shiz fo sho! :D
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 06, 2005, 04:03:32 PM
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Originally posted by killnu


so...where has he been, havent seen him in months.


He's away at school and the dorm he currently lives in blocks the ports needed for AH.  


ack-ack
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Post by: killnu on October 06, 2005, 04:19:38 PM
sorry to hear that akak, that sux.  well, at least he is well.
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Post by: lasersailor184 on October 06, 2005, 04:46:14 PM
I'd match in 110's xBulllx against anyone else.
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Post by: SlapShot on October 06, 2005, 06:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'd match in 110's xBulllx against anyone else.


Did ya ever see Mn7 in a 110 ... it's a sight to behold.

Don't really know xBullx, but from statement above ... it would be a real good fight to watch.
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Post by: SkyChimp on October 06, 2005, 07:58:18 PM
Me vs morph..:D



                   
...........After a few months of coarse
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Post by: Wadke on October 06, 2005, 08:31:11 PM
I'd have to agree with Nomak on the fact that it depends on how the pilots are fighting that night. Anyone can beat anyone at any given time.

Anyone ever needs to duel with someone or wants to. I'll fly anything u throw at me.
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Post by: 38ruk on October 06, 2005, 09:38:55 PM
there are nights when you cant do anything wrong , then there are nights when your better off logging.  ..... OH and  AKAK's an alt monkey hehehe     38Maw
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Post by: Morpheus on October 06, 2005, 10:01:48 PM
where do these duels take place? :confused:
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Post by: Roscoroo on October 06, 2005, 10:22:03 PM
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Originally posted by Morpheus
where do these duels take place? :confused:


You mean your not a member yet ???

Whats takin you so long Morph :D
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Post by: Morpheus on October 06, 2005, 10:26:50 PM
you said member. teehee
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Post by: jaxxo on October 06, 2005, 11:13:47 PM
as a man who never knows his limitations i can offer the following...levi is a freak and will pwn at any percieved adv or dis adv.   the second most impressive pilot ive seen (just for accuracy and sa) was razor (imho), and the craziest man (this is my lifetime achievment award) who taught me so much was dh367th..if he actually cared about dying and wasnt such a spaz he would rule..beyond that i could never touch fester but i never saw him in the da...but besides hub i am the BK whipping boy so take my post with a grain of salt. :D

oh yeah stang and morph suck :P
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Post by: Kermit de frog on October 06, 2005, 11:16:32 PM
I'd like to see HiTech Vs Pyro.

:D
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Post by: BBQ_Bob on October 06, 2005, 11:19:19 PM
How about ack ack  vs a wet paper bag.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 06, 2005, 11:32:40 PM
How about me and you BBQBOB?  Oh wait, on second thought a wet paper bag would be far better fight than you or any of your squadron mates could ever hope to put up.



ack-ack
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Post by: Nomak on October 06, 2005, 11:34:40 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How about me and you BBQBOB?  Oh wait, on second thought a wet paper bag would be far better fight than you or any of your squadron mates could ever hope to put up.



ack-ack


lol..... I figured that was comming.  This may turn into a flame yet!

Dave
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 06, 2005, 11:45:01 PM
I actually hope not but for some reason, some like BBQBOB try and hump my ankle at every turn.  Glad I got my trusty water bottle to protect myself and my ankles.



ack-ack
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 06, 2005, 11:55:30 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk


Akak in a 38 of choise, can be a diff 38 for each alt.
Levi in a spit  of his choise, can be diff spit for each alt.




I think I'd be lucky to last half a turn after the merge in that plane set up.  

In a same plane matchup, I might do a little better (i.e. live a few seconds longer) but the result would most likely be the same though.


Pellik and I had some great duels awhile back while working on some maneuvers.  Most of those duels though ended with either one of us augering into the water during a rolling scissors on the deck.  It was strange fighting a player that basically flies like you do, like fighting an Evil Ack-Ack.  Murdr is the same way.  Another good P-38 driver, Crims, has his own style that is hard to match.



ack-ack
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Post by: Slash27 on October 07, 2005, 01:30:14 AM
Kermit vs Slash
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Post by: mechanic on October 07, 2005, 04:43:33 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
That's asking an awful lot, don't you think?:p



we can dream cant we.... :D
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Post by: RobMo68 on October 07, 2005, 06:22:33 AM
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I'd like to see HiTech Vs Pyro.

:D


mehh, Pyro would just bomb him with his Lancs before he could get off the ground !:rofl
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Post by: RobMo68 on October 07, 2005, 06:30:24 AM
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Originally posted by Lazerr

...................
I'd like to see fester in his prime,(when he actually plays) up against .......
...................


Fester would just flame ya in a 262, before you even knew he was there!:D  He's sneaky that way!:rolleyes:
But him vs Shane in a Jug fight:eek:  that would be interesting!:cool:
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on October 07, 2005, 07:17:10 AM
I've never had more fun, nor did I feel more evenly matched, than when I used to duel NathBDP regularly.  Those were duels worth seeing, but we never recorded them.  They were purely for fun and never to determine who was "best."  Rather, we used the sessions to hone our skills and try new things without the pressure of performing to expectations.

Everyone should be so lucky as to have a dueling partner who perfectly matches him in skill and outlook.  It's a wonderful way to learn and have fun doing it.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: Nwbie on October 07, 2005, 07:37:48 AM
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I've never had more fun, nor did I feel more evenly matched, than when I used to duel NathBDP regularly.  Those were duels worth seeing, but we never recorded them.  They were purely for fun and never to determine who was "best."  Rather, we used the sessions to hone our skills and try new things without the pressure of performing to expectations.

Everyone should be so lucky as to have a dueling partner who perfectly matches him in skill and outlook.  It's a wonderful way to learn and have fun doing it.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Well Levi

during the beta of II, we were in spit V's in the beta arena and I shot you down 3 or 4 times, do I hear anything? any praise? any -hey-check out Newbs!!
Ok, granted you may have been in a turn fight with Wildthing at the moment and I snuck in and took a cheap shot, ok fine, may have been all the killz, but, that is neither here nor there, they were killz !! , ok fine, granted the SpitV was kinda uber during the beta, doesn't mean my skillz as a cheap shot potato should lessen the recognition that......
ok, where the H*** was I going with this?

NwBie
:D
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Post by: Murdr on October 07, 2005, 11:58:29 AM
I agree with nomak.  Once you get to a certian point, those duels between top echelon can go either way.  Its like anything else competetive.  The closer you get to the top, the more minor the factor between winning and losing is.  Simply a good or bad night could be the difference.  

To me, they are some of the best fights though.  I know Ive had some enjoyable matchups with (in no particular order)nomde, stang, morph, levi, shane, kappa and the like.
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Post by: dedalos on October 07, 2005, 12:42:26 PM
Yep, they can go either way.




Thats what I tell to myself after I end up in the tower :D
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Post by: Kermit de frog on October 07, 2005, 12:54:04 PM
I like that matchup, sounds good.  Kermit vs Slash.
You'd most likely win:D

Lately, I've realized that flying the typhy gives you the ability to win 1v1 co alt fights as soon as the other makes just 1 mistake.  I've learned that I can never beat the other plane for mostly likely the other plane will turn, accell, roll or climb better than mine.  So, whenever I do win 1v1s, it's the pilot I have to beat and not the plane.  Problem is I keep running into good pilots.:D   stupid nomde in his jug:D
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Post by: lasersailor184 on October 07, 2005, 01:02:55 PM
Yeah, Kermit, I was in the Spit 14 the other day that you tried to jump the tail end of the Stuka Mission.


You were flying the Typhoon brilliantly.  You caused me to overshoot twice before I figured out what you were doing.  Had there not been another fighter nearby, you would have made me a little bit nervous.  Even though you turned on me, I was never in danger of being hit.

The third turn though, I stuck right to your butt.  Had an A8 not come in Guns Blazing, I would have gotten you.
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Post by: SuperDud on October 07, 2005, 02:35:06 PM
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Furball, you lucky punk castrati,  Id like to see Levi vs wildthing spitV's 1/8 fuel.


I've seen it, was awesome:aok
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Post by: megadud on October 07, 2005, 03:40:16 PM
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I've seen it, was awesome:aok


me too it was interesting. Infact it was a three way bout between levi WT and bighorn. it was a pretty even match and the all won their fair share. It was insane because they would be mirror images of each other doing the same moves at the same time. they collided alot. It came down to who would make the first mistake.

Anyway i would like to see me and furball duel, with .45s! Bring it sissy boy! :p
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Post by: Kermit de frog on October 07, 2005, 09:13:27 PM
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yeah, Kermit, I was in the Spit 14 the other day that you tried to jump the tail end of the Stuka Mission.


You were flying the Typhoon brilliantly.  You caused me to overshoot twice before I figured out what you were doing.  Had there not been another fighter nearby, you would have made me a little bit nervous.  Even though you turned on me, I was never in danger of being hit.

The third turn though, I stuck right to your butt.  Had an A8 not come in Guns Blazing, I would have gotten you.


ahhh, I remember not having the E to follow you up in the vertical.  It was very frustrating because I knew it was a matter of time before you got me.  
:)
(I need to learn new maneuvers)
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Post by: FuBaR on October 07, 2005, 09:46:22 PM
:cry :cry   I heard my heart shatter :cry :cry
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Post by: YUCCA on October 08, 2005, 03:51:28 AM
i hear yucca can fly a goon like none other.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 08, 2005, 04:32:02 AM
I've had the opportunity to duel both NathBDP and Leviathan. Levi was so good and I met him the first time that I thought he had to be a cheater. We dueled C202 vs C202 on my H2H server and he pwned me so bad in energy management that I had to go immediately afterwards to study the film.

NathBDP killed me 10 out of 10 in his 190A8 no matter what I did.

Would be fun to duel these guys again to see if I developed at all after that (2001-2002ish)
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Post by: megadud on October 08, 2005, 04:42:11 AM
i have never dueled levi or nath but i am pretty sure that me being more superior in every part of the game i would be able to handle both of them no problem. Maybe even at the same time :D  ;)
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 08, 2005, 04:45:01 AM
Hah killing them 2 vs 1 is the easy part megadud. Their egos are so big that they won't fit on your 6 at the same time. :D
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Post by: FuBaR on October 08, 2005, 01:15:05 PM
I feel crushed :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on October 08, 2005, 01:18:24 PM
I would like to see Fubar duel his own crushed sense of self-importance.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: FuBaR on October 08, 2005, 01:19:19 PM
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Post by: Morpheus on October 08, 2005, 01:19:57 PM
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/Old%20Pics/tape.jpg)
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Post by: mechanic on October 08, 2005, 01:30:52 PM
teh best  ----------->  http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/sniperVSwldthing.ahf





click on guncam view.

no 20mm allowed.

best spitfire fight i ever saw.
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Post by: 2bighorn on October 08, 2005, 02:34:50 PM
1. You don't need "top" sticks to have a good fight, just equally matched.

2. If you constantly need other's people films to see good fight, you should better switch to some other game.

3. 100% agree with Morph

4. BGBMaw worn out 10 tapes this year alone...
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Post by: SkyRock on October 08, 2005, 03:40:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I would like to see Fubar duel his own crushed sense of self-importance.

-- Todd/Leviathn
:rofl
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Post by: megadud on October 08, 2005, 08:07:57 PM
i would like to see...

TW9 vs His Ego    :aok
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Post by: Stang on October 08, 2005, 08:43:51 PM
Quah!
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Post by: YUCCA on October 08, 2005, 11:49:59 PM
Queef!
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Post by: ghi on October 09, 2005, 01:31:39 AM
i would like to see a fight,not duel
    let's say 33 bish vs 33 knits vs 33 rooks+ 1 arbiter, =100 dweebs BIG GANGBANG FIGHT , same planes somwhere inbetwen front lines in MA, would be fun,
  The side with highest combined #s of kills wins, not the last surviever  like on KOH:)
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Post by: FuBaR on October 09, 2005, 03:18:27 AM
I havent seen red like that since I had acne...
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Post by: Slash27 on October 09, 2005, 08:41:41 AM
had?
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Post by: megadud on October 09, 2005, 11:14:47 AM
:lol :lol :aok
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Post by: Morpheus on October 09, 2005, 11:58:51 AM
lol i hate that engine killing crap, on merge or through out a fight.
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Post by: mechanic on October 09, 2005, 12:20:52 PM
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Originally posted by TW9
lol ive seen better.. thought this one kind of sucked to be honest.. And thats without mentioning the cutting engine dweebery ..


but if you didnt have a throttle slider then its easier no?


all i'm saying is in my view, this is the best fight ive seen, if you've seen better we just dont share exact taste :)


we we're just trying to get some good camera shots of spits fighting, nothing serious, wt and sniper wernt going hammer an tongs for it, just playing at fighter aces, thats the essence of the game for me.

thats why this is the best *I* have seen.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 09, 2005, 03:40:29 PM
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Originally posted by mechanic
but if you didnt have a throttle slider then its easier no?



If he didn't have a throttle slider, then the other guy could have easily used the KB throttle commands.  Turning on and off your engine to make yourself turn tighter is an unfortunately gamey tactic that was and to some extent still used by some.  In real combat, you'd never see any of the combatents turn on and off their engines.  


ack-ack
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Silat on October 09, 2005, 06:52:40 PM
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Originally posted by 38ruk
there are nights when you cant do anything wrong , then there are nights when your better off logging.  ..... OH and  AKAK's an alt monkey hehehe     38Maw


Hmmm I may have to give this 38 plane a try..........
Maybe I could get good at it...............
Do you use both engines?
               :D
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Bronk on October 09, 2005, 09:18:03 PM
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Originally posted by Silat
Hmmm I may have to give this 38 plane a try..........
Maybe I could get good at it...............
Do you use both engines?
               :D

No Silat YOU have to use 1 engine and 100% flaps at all times.
That way you make it fair for the rest of us.   :p



Bronk
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: viper215 on October 09, 2005, 10:12:21 PM
awsomo and pacerr in tanks when pacerr is not spawn camping
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: mechanic on October 09, 2005, 11:13:30 PM
well whatever i still liked this fight alot. show me something better instead of just critisising.

:aok
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Widewing on October 10, 2005, 12:09:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by mechanic
well whatever i still liked this fight alot. show me something better instead of just critisising.

:aok


I understand that not having a dedicated throttle, slider or wheel is a handicap. Therefore, I understand why someone would simply kill the engine to throttle back rather than tap the throttle keys like a madman.

However, in the real world this was not an option. In flight, you could consider the E key as a magneto switch. In real fighters, you never shut down an engine by simply switching off the magnetos. Why? Because, while the spark is off, the carb is still pumping fuel into the intake manifold. This fuel accumulates unburned in the cylinders. When you switch the mags back on one of several things will happen:

1) Your plugs are fouled, meaning the engine may never restart, and if it does, odds are you will have a major power loss and/or:
2) The fuel ignites and the resulting detonation blows the exhaust stacks off or backfires through the intake, with a possiblity of engine damage and even a fire.

Add to that the problem of the fuel washing the oil from the cylinder walls, which can lead to broken rings and in extreme cases, can lead to engine failure.

The correct way to shut down an engine is by moving the mixture lever to the idle cut-off position. This cuts the flow of fuel and that fuel in the manifold is burned.

However, in-flight things are not as simple as pushing the lever back up to lean or rich. The engine likely will not instantly start up. And there's the little problem of manipulating mags and mixture while fighting for one's life.

There are other, game related issues.

Some fighters respond differently than others to cutting the engine(s) with the E key. With the Spitfire, you can simply toggle the engine off and on and have instant power available. Not so with the P-38. You must go through the entire start-up sequence to get power back. This is a programming flaw. Every aircraft should have to go through the start-up sequence, not just some.

Then there is the argument that cutting power with the E key is no different that cobbing back the throttle. This is not true. I tested the snot out of this tonight and using the E key vs the throttle resulted in quicker reduction of speed. Flying a SpitV, I would allow speed to build to 250 mph. At precisely that speed, I hit the E key and measured the time required to decelerate to 200 mph. I did the same using the throttle. My results showed that it took 7.4 seconds to slow down using the E key and 7.7 to 7.8 seconds using the throttle. Not a lot, but in a really close fight it could be the difference. So why does the E key slow you faster? It takes 0.3-0.4 seconds to move the throttle to idle, whereas the E key is instantaneous. Likewise, it takes the same time to push the throttle fully forward as it did to pull it off. Again, the E key provides for instant power. If this is done 4 or 5 times in a fight, a measurable difference can be expected.

This whole issue would be moot if all the aircraft responded accurately to shutting down the motor in flight. For those guys without a throttle slider/wheel or even a separate throttle; they would be forced to get one or suffer with having to tap the +/- keys like crazy.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Tumor on October 10, 2005, 12:25:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Turning on and off your engine to make yourself turn tighter is an unfortunately gamey tactic that was and to some extent still used by some.
ack-ack


Ahhh.. so what shall I be today?  A "Flight Simmer" or a "Gamer".

Tumor
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Bruno on October 10, 2005, 12:30:33 AM
I recently read an article on 'shock cooling' as a result of engine idle, engine off while in flight. Cold air rushing across the engine caused them to cool unevenly, in some cases cracks were observed (this on idle) in areas on the engine.

Aircraft like the 109 and Stuka etc.. were restricted from 0 throttle dives (109 min rpm was 800 rpm). This may have had something to do with synchronization for the MGs but I have read where shock cooling caused issues with the DB engine. So much so that 109 Jabo pilots were trained similarly to those in Stukas about not throttling back to 0, let alone turning off their engines.

I imagine the impact of shock cooling will be even worse on air cooled engines.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: DipStick on October 10, 2005, 12:31:14 AM
Don't get much better than this...

Nomak vs Levi (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=161780)
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: mechanic on October 10, 2005, 12:46:44 AM
i wanted to watch but its not working
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Kazaa on October 11, 2005, 07:49:36 AM
Oh, also Wilbuz Vs Pellik Vs Levi, Vs ManeTMP. THAT WOULD BE OFF THE HOOK. WOULD PAY MONEY TO SEE A 4 WAY BETWEEN GOD'S
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Post by: megadud on October 11, 2005, 08:08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Oh, also Wilbuz Vs Pellik Vs Levi, Vs ManeTMP. THAT WOULD BE OFF THE HOOK. WOULD PAY MONEY TO SEE A 4 WAY BETWEEN GOD'S


pelliks a god? :rofl :rofl :lol :rofl

wilbuz is decent but no god (no offense you are still way better then most players)

i would like to see a bout between

Mane
lev
bighorn
nath
WT

with .45s!!! :D

PS all in their prime
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Nomak on October 11, 2005, 11:16:25 AM
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Originally posted by mechanic
i wanted to watch but its not working


Its working now ;)

Dave
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Post by: YUCCA on October 11, 2005, 12:41:45 PM
You guys dont give enough credit to wadke, stang or dedalos lol.  I seen all 3 doing rather well against levi.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: megadud on October 11, 2005, 03:36:23 PM
i always PWN dedalos! :p
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Post by: dedalos on October 11, 2005, 03:54:36 PM
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Originally posted by megadud
i always PWN dedalos! :p

Shut up HUB
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Post by: Nomak on October 11, 2005, 04:09:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by YUCCA
You guys dont give enough credit to wadke, stang or dedalos lol.  I seen all 3 doing rather well against levi.


I give all those guys the nod for being great sticks.  As I do to you Yucca.

Dave
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Post by: DipStick on October 11, 2005, 07:46:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by YUCCA
You guys dont give enough credit to wadke, stang or dedalos lol.  I seen all 3 doing rather well against levi.

Maybe on his 2nd 12 pack and in a generous mood. ;)

Not to take away from those 3. They can all kick my bootie.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: cobia38 on October 11, 2005, 09:20:02 PM
The best fights are the ones that start out at 15-20k and end up on the deck lasting for more then 2 minuts and when your done your knuckles are white,your joystick is broken,and your pulse is raceing.  those are the good fights.
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Post by: YUCCA on October 11, 2005, 10:20:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nomak
I give all those guys the nod for being great sticks.  As I do to you Yucca.

Dave


Nah, it's not me it's my plane.  Who couldn't be good flyin something as uber and sexy as p47. :)
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Post by: Schatzi on October 12, 2005, 09:39:19 AM
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Nah, it's not me it's my plane.  Who couldn't be good flyin something as uber and sexy as p47. :)




Ill never understand what you see in that bomber, Yucca. :D
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: dedalos on October 12, 2005, 10:48:54 AM
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Originally posted by DipStick
Maybe on his 2nd 12 pack and in a generous mood. ;)

Not to take away from those 3. They can all kick my bootie.


Bahhhh, STFU.  I killed levi planty of times on the runway.  He is not that good when he is that low or not moving
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: mechanic on October 12, 2005, 10:58:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by YUCCA
You guys dont give enough credit to wadke, stang or dedalos lol.  I seen all 3 doing rather well against levi.


i learn more from stang than most others i would wager. and wadke and ded have always given me a pasting given even the slightest chance :eek:

and as for yucca, he just hacks his stalling gunsolutions. :O
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Nomak on October 12, 2005, 11:42:57 AM
"Duels I would like to see"

..... xMarine vs ANYONE! :D
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Post by: 2bighorn on October 12, 2005, 01:32:58 PM
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Originally posted by Nomak
..... xMarine vs ANYONE! :D
:rofl
We need 2048x2048 sector map though
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: SlapShot on October 12, 2005, 01:51:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by cobia38
The best fights are the ones that start out at 15-20k and end up on the deck lasting for more then 2 minuts and when your done your knuckles are white,your joystick is broken,and your pulse is raceing.  those are the good fights.


You can last longer than 2 minutes in that A-20 ? ... ;)
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Post by: dedalos on October 12, 2005, 02:10:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mechanic
and as for yucca, he just hacks his stalling gunsolutions. :O


YUCCA sucks!
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 12, 2005, 03:42:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nomak
"Duels I would like to see"

..... xMarine vs ANYONE! :D



You'd have to add the the rule "No bailing out before the merge"



ack-ack
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: SkyRock on October 12, 2005, 10:44:53 PM
Me vs RManiac  hee heee   SkyRock<--- sets hook!
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Post by: Silat on October 13, 2005, 04:07:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
No Silat YOU have to use 1 engine and 100% flaps at all times.
That way you make it fair for the rest of us.   :p



Bronk


HI Bronk:)
Ahhh, just as I thought. I only use 1 engine. I keep the other one for emergencies only.
You also mention flap usage and I must admit I didnt know the 38 had flaps.

                             ;)

PS I taught Levi everything he knows. But he learned how to land on his own since I only auger:)
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: FuBaR on October 13, 2005, 01:47:21 PM
SOMEONE PUT MY NAME DOWN BEFORE MY DEPRESSION COMES BACK
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: SlapShot on October 13, 2005, 02:04:42 PM
me and Fubar ... feel better now ? ;)
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: FuBaR on October 13, 2005, 02:09:31 PM
<3
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Post by: Stang on October 13, 2005, 02:11:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FuBaR
SOMEONE PUT MY NAME DOWN BEFORE MY DEPRESSION COMES BACK


It has to leave in the first place in order to come back.


:rolleyes:
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Dead Man Flying on October 13, 2005, 02:12:01 PM
Me vs. Me.  Would that be epic or what?

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: FuBaR on October 13, 2005, 02:12:27 PM
golfing is ghey
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: SlapShot on October 13, 2005, 02:24:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Me vs. Me.  Would that be epic or what?

-- Todd/Leviathn


Bah ... boring ... the fight would never end !!!
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Stang on October 13, 2005, 05:38:12 PM
Nah, they'd ho each other at the 2nd merge every time.  Hoviathns.
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Post by: sniper68 on October 29, 2005, 08:27:09 PM
interesting thread i got a throttle now so yall cant bash me anymore for that :) dweeblings.

now who wants to play :cool: :p
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: jaxxo on October 29, 2005, 08:33:41 PM
come to da any friday or saturday at 4am est and feel free to kick my *** lol..wtg sniffles :)
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Post by: Sniffle on October 29, 2005, 10:59:59 PM
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Originally posted by jaxxo
come to da any friday or saturday at 4am est and feel free to kick my *** lol..wtg sniffles :)


:p Sir
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Post by: Wadke on October 30, 2005, 05:29:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by YUCCA
Nah, it's not me it's my plane.  Who couldn't be good flyin something as uber and sexy as p47. :)


Yucca do i hafta get out the movie? :D
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: ahgod69 on October 31, 2005, 08:42:23 PM
Bruce lee vs John Wayne.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Morpheus on October 31, 2005, 08:46:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ahgod69
Bruce lee vs John Wayne.


LOL the Duke would PWN Lee.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: YUCCA on October 31, 2005, 09:11:02 PM
Well bruce almighty can't beat ol' John's quick draw.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Slash27 on November 01, 2005, 11:23:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Me vs. Me.  Would that be epic or what?

-- Todd/Leviathn


You would just zoom in at the last second and steal the kill from yourself.:D
Title: hmm
Post by: PK1Mw on November 01, 2005, 12:37:32 PM
Just an idea.. Wadke and Greebo n F6s? Prolly already been mentioned. But I've missed out on a few days and I'm too tired to read everything! lol
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Post by: AWMac on November 01, 2005, 12:49:34 PM
Nath vs Birdo

:rofl


Sp4de vs FuBaR

:aok
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Post by: Widewing on November 02, 2005, 10:20:42 PM
Sniffles and I flew several duels in the TA tonight. Great stuff for knocking off the rust. Neither of us fly the SpitV much, so it just about as even as even gets. Even got to do my Hovercraft reverse in the F6F...  ;) Sniffles is a very good pilot.

We had a ball.

Later Schatzi and I squared off in Seafire vs FM-2... More fun.

Finally, a fellow I didn't recognize (sumguy) and I flew duels, such as SpitV vs P-38G, SpitV vs 190A-8, and Yak-9U vs F4U-4. Be advised, sumguy is a good stick, as is Schatzi. So, don't underestimate either of them.  

I really appreciate these duels as the TA can be rather dull mid-week.

Nomak was there as well. He is usually in the TA or DA on Wednesday evenings, so you guys who want to learn from one of the better pilots, you now know where and when to find him now.

My regards,

Widewing
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Post by: Sniffle on November 03, 2005, 12:45:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Sniffles and I flew several duels in the TA tonight. Great stuff for knocking off the rust. Neither of us fly the SpitV much, so it just about as even as even gets. Even got to do my Hovercraft reverse in the F6F...  ;) Sniffles is a very good pilot.

We had a ball.

Later Schatzi and I squared off in Seafire vs FM-2... More fun.

Finally, a fellow I didn't recognize (sumguy) and I flew duels, such as SpitV vs P-38G, SpitV vs 190A-8, and Yak-9U vs F4U-4. Be advised, sumguy is a good stick, as is Schatzi. So, don't underestimate either of them.  

I really appreciate these duels as the TA can be rather dull mid-week.

Nomak was there as well. He is usually in the TA or DA on Wednesday evenings, so you guys who want to learn from one of the better pilots, you now know where and when to find him now.

My regards,

Widewing




:p Wide lets do it again some time...

Yea that f6f :furious Wont follow u like that again ;)

! Ur also a very good pilot =)


(edit omg i had 19in lcd. now i have 17 in crt ill never go back CRT SUX :p)


Less color and 1248/1024 looks mini.rofl
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Post by: Kweassa on November 03, 2005, 05:58:52 AM
RManiac vs Shane vs ManeTMP, triple threat match.
 
 The verbal outlashes alone would be enough to fill up Madison Square Garden with spectators.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Shane on November 03, 2005, 12:10:44 PM
Kweassa vs any written media editor.

I don't think kweassa would survive the first pass, tho'

:aok
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Schatzi on November 03, 2005, 01:50:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Sniffles and I flew several duels in the TA tonight. Great stuff for knocking off the rust. Neither of us fly the SpitV much, so it just about as even as even gets. Even got to do my Hovercraft reverse in the F6F...  ;) Sniffles is a very good pilot.

We had a ball.

Later Schatzi and I squared off in Seafire vs FM-2... More fun.

Finally, a fellow I didn't recognize (sumguy) and I flew duels, such as SpitV vs P-38G, SpitV vs 190A-8, and Yak-9U vs F4U-4. Be advised, sumguy is a good stick, as is Schatzi. So, don't underestimate either of them.  

I really appreciate these duels as the TA can be rather dull mid-week.

Nomak was there as well. He is usually in the TA or DA on Wednesday evenings, so you guys who want to learn from one of the better pilots, you now know where and when to find him now.

My regards,

Widewing



Well thank you WideWing. I also enjoy our dancing in TA.

>S< and see ya up!
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Post by: Morpheus on November 03, 2005, 01:55:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Shane
Kweassa vs any written media editor.

I don't think kweassa would survive the first pass, tho'

:aok


:lol
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Morpheus on November 03, 2005, 02:09:21 PM
DA for me was at its best waaay back in AH1 when AoM was still alive and well.

Fester
Wldthing(but getting him in there seemed like trying to set a date up to meet the president in person)
Urchin
Kappa
ManeTMP(although he rarely went to the DA)
XtrmeJ
Me
Timppa
Apar

And of course Nomak.

I miss those days when it comes to the DA.

But for me any one of the BK's is a hell of a duel now.
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: 38ruk on November 03, 2005, 10:20:45 PM
HEH Jeff , i remember some of our 51 duel's , they would last forever . The good ol days 38
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Morpheus on November 03, 2005, 10:23:49 PM
gaaaah, yeah... Don't know how I left you outta that list. Those were the kind you'd have to get up and walk around for a minute because you nerves where shot. lol


Im sure you cant forget 51/38 duels with POINTMN/SFOX. Those were nutz. :eek:
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: SkyChimp on November 03, 2005, 10:26:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
gaaaah, yeah... Don't know how I left you outta that list. Those were the kind you'd have to get up and walk around for a minute because you nerves where shot. lol


Im sure you cant forget 51/38 duels with POINTMN/SFOX. Those were nutz. :eek:



ME! ;) J.k lol still wanna see what everybody is talking about =):aok
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Nomak on November 03, 2005, 10:33:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus

I miss those days when it comes to the DA.

 


Thosae days are not only not gone..... I would say the DA is better than ever.  All you have to do is actually go there

Dave
Title: Duels you would like to see.
Post by: Morpheus on November 03, 2005, 10:45:17 PM
Yeah DA is still fun but AH has changed so much and gotten much bigger. Not that that is a bad thing. Used to be that you knew almost everyone on line, now i see new names every night.

To be honest, I cant think of a duel between any two players I'd want to see.