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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saurdaukar on October 05, 2005, 09:19:07 PM
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That is all.
****ing basketball on ice...
::WHISTLE:: "TWENTY-ONE, BLACK! TWO MINUTES, LOOKING IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF THE MAN WITH THE PUCK!!"
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Ya Philagoonya is screwed now that they brought skill back to the game.
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after watching the bruins lose the game due to a pretty weak hooking call with 30 seconds left in the game, i think id have to agree
i was looking forward to the possibilities of a shootout, too
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The Bruins know the new rules. Zero tolerance for hooking.
Then again, maybe they're not smart enough to adapt. ;)
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I don't have a TV, is it really that bad Saur?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
That is all.
****ing basketball on ice...
::WHISTLE:: "TWENTY-ONE, BLACK! TWO MINUTES, LOOKING IN THE GENERAL DIRECTION OF THE MAN WITH THE PUCK!!"
Have to agree, the amount of penalties called was unbelieveable. They wanted to have higher scoring games. I'm sure they will get it. But for me power plays just aren't that exciting. The Sens had only one(!) shot on goal the entire second period due mostly to being short manned for most of it. But it made thier heartbreaker win over the Leafs that much more sweet. ;)
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You mean the rules aren't set up to encourage lethal assault anymore? Damn. I'm boycotting the season. Again.
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In respect to goons everywhere.. I proudly present the king of goons and my idol for what a goon should strive to be..
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=claude+lemieux&btnG=Search
not only does he throw you on your head.. blade to the face... tripping.. elbowing.. biting.. hooking to the groin.. and my personal favorite sucker punching the opposing team.. drawing retailiation fouls..
He is the King.. The best part about his game is that on top of all the above infractions.. He puts up mad pts also..
He is the king of goonery.. used to be Bobby P.. of detroit.. Now Claude is the man...
Shame the NHL turning into the powder puff girls to protect figure skaters like kariya and gang..
DoctorYo
PS: Panthers won... 2-0 (corrected)
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Originally posted by eagl
You mean the rules aren't set up to encourage lethal assault anymore? Damn. I'm boycotting the season. Again.
hehehe
sort of like preventing all car wrecks at nascar would reduce attendance by 50%
hockey is fighting to some, just as wrestling to some is cracking chairs over your opponents head before you jump off the corner post and elbow him in the throat :)
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i agree with a lot of the penalties called sand, but with 30 seconds left you don't call borderline stuff in a close or a tie game. its an unspoken rule...i referee and play in 3 different leagues and i dont think i would have called that plain and simple.. plus the fact whoever the forward with had grabbed onto the shaft of fitzgeralds stick as well
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With all the wistles it definatly is a panzy game now. But, I do like the elimination of the 2 line pass rule, seems to have opened games up more. Last night the Sabres won 6-4. I havnt seen the Sabres play in a ten point game in awhile. Anyone know what the 2 new lines behind the nets are for? I assume that they have something to do with the goalie.
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the lines behind the net are the boundries a goalie can play the puck in... its a 2:00 penalty if he goes into the corner to fetch a dump in, etc...
i def like the no 2 line pass rule... loved that about college hockey for a while... but come on, we need some open ice hits..those are still legal!
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I'm gonna give it more than a game before I complain. The westcoast team games I watched were terrible with the new rules, but the East Coast games ie: Philly vs New York were awesome.... banging, scoring, and still stupid Jager penalties.
DoctorYO , Claude was my fav player growing up. Loved to watch that guy. Especially in playoffs, he always got it done. :aok
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Originally posted by moose
i agree with a lot of the penalties called sand, but with 30 seconds left you don't call borderline stuff in a close or a tie game. its an unspoken rule...
And that was always a dumb rule that teams would exploit, same as in the playoffs. At least it'll be consistent now and if you do the crime you do the time.
I watched parts of probably 5 games last night and it was easy to see some teams had gotten the message while others had not. Leafs/Sens was the perfect example, they each got caught a couple of times by bad habits but otherwise the tempo of the game was great. I thought the goalies really had to shine in that one and the actual scoring opportunities were way up. Same in Vancouver (vs. Coyotes). On the other hand the Devils (vs. Penguins) seems to have forgotten and took a mass of penalties early (which can be just as much a killer as a late one). Good thing Brodeur bailed the Devils out.
Give it 20 games and see where it's at. Either it'll revert back to the "clutch and grab league" or guys will figure it out and lose some bad habits.
-Soda
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I don't have a TV, is it really that bad Saur?
Yes. I have a variety of problems:
1.) The NHL is now street hockey on ice. With the removal of the red line for 2 line passes, there are no breakouts, no strategy and no setups. The game can be summed up as "Ok... everyone go this way... ok now everyone go that way, repeat."
2.) The tolerance for penalties is insane. Its WAY too low. Stuff was getting called that I just couldnt believe. Half of what made hockey appealing was that it USED TO BE the only sport where the rules were "suggestions" and you got away with everything you could.
3.) The defenseman cannot TOUCH a forward infront of the goalie until HE touches the puck. This means the netminder is screened almost the entire game and all that the D can do is watch and then knock the guy after he re-directs a puck into the net.
4.) The ref's having mics. WTF is this? It may sound like a small complaint... but this isnt football. Half of the rite of passage for being a hockey fan is figuring out what the hell all the hand signals mean.
5.) The Power Plays are so numerous now that 5 on 5 hockey rare, at best. The Flyers had an ENTIRE PERIOD of powerplay time during the game... and TWO 5 on 3's! You dont get two 5 on 3's in a SEASON!
6.) The excitement of goals is gone. There was something to be said for working your bellybutton off for 60 minutes, having two goals to show for it and ending the game one goal ahead. Now the mentality is basically "Ok... theyre in the zone... who is going to score." Its like lax in that aspect. The goals dont mean anything because the other team can come back and score 5 of them in a matter of minutes.
Im very, VERY disapointed. The NHL ruined hockey in an effort to get people with short attention spans who wont watch anyway to pay attention.
Meanwhile, they alienated the core fan base.
Did the clutching and grabbing need to go? Yes. The Trap? Yes. But for Christs sake... let them hurt eachother. The old player roles are just gone and now the game is one dimentional: can you get close enough to the goalie before the other guy to get a shot.
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Not sure what game you were watching but the Philly game was all hitting on the boards.
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Originally posted by SunKing
Not sure what game you were watching but the Philly game was all hitting on the boards.
Maybe if you compare it to the Euro leagues.
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Very dissapointing. I will have to watch a game to confirm though.
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Watched the Minnesota Wild game last night. Kinda liked the look of it myself. of course the Wild winning didn't hurt :)
There was still plenty of banging and bumping going on, but it's now a speed game, more like college hockey.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Maybe if you compare it to the Euro leagues.
Nah, Euro leagues are all about hooking and interfering.. and defense. With the new rules, once the teams get familiar with them, the NHL could be very entertaining. At least I hope it will be - too bad I can't see any games...
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Originally posted by moose
i agree with a lot of the penalties called sand, but with 30 seconds left you don't call borderline stuff in a close or a tie game. its an unspoken rule...i referee and play in 3 different leagues and i dont think i would have called that plain and simple.. plus the fact whoever the forward with had grabbed onto the shaft of fitzgeralds stick as well
I've never agreed that the rules should change simply because the game is close. The rules define the game.
I think it's too soon to tell what affect the changes will have on the game. For now, I'm just happy to see hockey on television.
Now... as to the reasoning for many of the rules changes. It's a load of crap and they use the same excuse in the NFL. The talking heads say, "The fans like excitement and scoring is exciting." Bull**** I say. Some of the best games I've ever watched ended 1-0. Hell, there's an assload of scoring in basketball, and IMHO it's more boring than even auto racing.
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Was at Devils home opener last night, all those rule changes that were made because of the nasty way the devils played in the past seemed to have no effect on the Dev's, they were flying all over the place. got to agree with Saur a little not once did ya hear a thunderous check into the boards.
And Brodeur will have more assists than ever this year, he looks like farve out there making tape to tape passes at center ice.
And Crosby almost went the way of Lindros, came across the ice head down. the whole arena saw what was coming Colin White trying out his Scott Stevens impersonation, Crosby looked up at the very last second or he would of been crushed.
Go Dev's
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What you're forgetting is that the game has changed greatly in the last ten years. Scoring is way down. A lot of it is due to the refs being out of control, making calls based on the game situtation rather than the rules. Passing, skating, shooting, and hitting are fun to watch. Hooking, clutching, grabbing, are not. Reform is long overdue.
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What he said.
The 10 percent of the population that enjoyed what the NHL had become had thier try, now they are going to try enforcing the rules of the game and see if they can turn it into a succesful sport.
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Pongo, while I agree with some of what you said, I also think the changes in the game are detrimental.
I am all for removal of the red line and the enforcement of the "hold and grab" nonsense. But the rest, INCLUDING the shoot out, is just ghey.
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It will take some time for it to really sink in regarding the no tolerance for obstruction style play, but the teams are adapting.
As far as the shootout, well, its either have a shootout or a tie game, neither is a great outcome, but at least now you have a winner. The teams get 3 periods and a 5 min OT period to get a winning goal.
As for it being "basketball", I dont think so. To be a great team you need to be able to pass the puck, and somebody has to be there to receive it on the other end. There is still strategy.
I think overall it looks much more like Olympic speed hockey, and in the long run will be more talent orientated, and interesting. There will still be bumps in the road, and its only been 2 days so far of regular season play...