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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BluKitty on October 06, 2005, 07:44:58 PM
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"President George W. Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals".
' "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it." '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml
all I can say is, wow.... if you truely think your talking to god ... IMHO your crazy.
I mean look at these guys.......
(http://www.t-shirtking.com/graphics/102-00151.jpg)
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"Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us:.."
This guys tells the BBC that this what Bush "told" him and a group of others and it's believed just because the BBC is reporting it?
Wow.
Why should what this guy says be believed? What is the reasoning for believing this?
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I call Caca del toro.
Bush is not the brightest bulb in the universe, but I doubt he would say this in ANY forum.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I call Caca del toro.
Bush is not the brightest bulb in the universe, but I doubt he would say this in ANY forum.
Exactly.
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The BBC is a highly regarded source of accurate information, I would easily put up their record against such vanguards of truth in journalism as the New York Times.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The BBC is a highly regarded source of accurate information, I would easily put up their record against such vanguards of truth in journalism as the New York Times.
:rofl
:aok
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it's hearsay and the BBC clearly says that...
is Bush ever Quoted no ... did I claim it no ...
figured someone would have made a Carrie Fisher crack by now
She's always the biggest threat to a mission from god
(http://www.endevil.com/images/bluesbrothers2.jpg)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The BBC is a highly regarded source of accurate information, I would easily put up their record against such vanguards of truth in journalism as the New York Times.
The issue isnt whether the palestinians said this; no doubt the BBC is correctly reporting that they did.
Rather, the issue is why the BBC and others choose to take these claims at face value instead of applying the same skepticism they do in other situations.
Even journalists notice things more when they fit in with their preconceptions.
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This one gets better with every re-telling.
The original story was from an interview with the Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas in which he stated that during negotiations to end the Arafat compound siege, President Bush privately told him: "God told me to strike at al Quaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did." At the time, that quote immediately got play on liberal blogs and international media. The White House vehemently denied it, while others began reminding people of some of Abbas's other choice quotes including denying the Holocaust and countless other Zionist conspiracy theory quotes.
Now apparently Nabil Shaath and every other member of the PA was not only part of the private conversation between Bush and Abbas, but apparently the President was instructed by the voices in his head to break forth into ecstatic "Evangelicalese" during a tense moment in negotiations with a group of Muslims with ties to terror organizations themselves.
Rigggght...
Next week, we'll here how teh evil Boosh, ecstatically uttered this declaration in tongues to a huge crowd of Hamas freedom fighters as Condie Rice interpreted, after which he was slain in the Spirit and Dick Cheney was overcome with holy laughter.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The BBC is a highly regarded source of accurate information, I would easily put up their record against such vanguards of truth in journalism as the New York Times.
Or better yet, the New York Post
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George can always just call it a crusade again... :p
Tronsky
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Originally posted by BluKitty
it's hearsay and the BBC clearly says that...
The article and the BBC present it as fact. They didn't say it was hearsay, they said:
President George W. Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals
That statement dosn't mention anything about hearsay. If they were honest, they would have said "sources claim" or "so and so claims". Instead they present it as the BBC revealing a fact.
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The first time I read this BBC story, I couldn't believe what I was reading. The story is FILLED with assumptions, yet they are careful not to state that the BBC is presenting it as fact. Thery know it's BS, but they want it out there anyway. I was so struck by it that I easily recal it today, and present it to you for review.
What follows is a BBC story fillled with BS of the highest magnitude.
They quote this bow-tie wearing, jew hating "expert" who has ZERO evidence of a massacre......only his misguided hatred.
Of course, there was no massacre and this guy was as full of **** as anyone could ever be, but the BBC ran the story with no problems. I wonder if the BBC ever did a follow up and appologize?
Here is a gem of a quote: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations. " read on and be amazed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1937048.stm
A British forensic expert who has gained access to the West Bank city of Jenin says evidence points to a massacre by Israeli forces.
Prof Derrick Pounder, who is part of an Amnesty International team granted access to Jenin, said he has seen bodies lying in the streets and received eyewitness accounts of civilian deaths.
The Dundee University expert said the Amnesty investigation has only just begun but Palestinian claims of a massacre were gaining foundation as the team continued its analysis.
Derrick Pounder: Evidence of a massacre
He said: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations.
"I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."
The professor said recovering the bodies would be difficult because many buildings collapsed during bombardment.
He said: "We know there are families who were there and killed and buried.
"We were on the ruins yesterday and two elderly men came forward, each of them pointed to where their houses had been and one of them told us that 10 members of his family were buried under the rubble."
'Beyond belief'
He said post mortems on two bodies had "given cause for suspicion" and there was "extensive damage" to Jenin.
An area of the town the size of several football pitches has been flattened.
Prof Pounder was speaking as Israeli forces began to pull out of Jenin and the town of Nablus.
A United Nations special envoy described the the devastation as "horrific beyond belief".
Terje Roed-Larsen, who visited the Jenin refugee camp on Thursday, criticised Israel for not allowing rescue teams in after the battle with Palestinian gunmen.
Israeli officials reversed a ban on the Amnesty team entering the Jenin refugee camp and government hospital on Wednesday.
Amnesty had considered legal action against the Israeli Government over the ban.
Israel 'fighting for its life'
Israeli forces moved into the Jenin camp on 3 April, saying it was a hotbed of Palestinian militancy and declaring it a closed military zone.
Zalmon Shoval, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, defended Israel's actions, saying it was fighting for its life.
"Mr Larsen has no business whatsoever to tell us what is right or wrong," he told the BBC.
Palestinians claim hundreds of bodies are buried beneath the rubble, but Mr Shoval said only about 65 bodies had been recovered, of which five were civilians.
Israel's large-scale military operations across the West Bank were launched following a spate of deadly Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
all I can say is, wow.... if you truely think your talking to god ... IMHO your crazy.
Interesting point of view...
(http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news24/31pope2003.l.jpg)
Now of course I'm an aethiest, but I wouldn't go as far as labeling christians as crazy in general. Sure some of them are luny's, but not all of them.
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I consider myself a Christian. I feel that I am logical and reasonable also.
I'm not into the Pope thing though.
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So, G.W.B. is ready to end it all on earth so it will all be as it is in heaven?
Hawlo be thy name, thy kingdom come he won't be done, when Jesus his Christ is born.
:lol
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the bbc is the brits cnn
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Originally posted by Godzilla
The first time I read this BBC story, I couldn't believe what I was reading. The story is FILLED with assumptions, yet they are careful not to state that the BBC is presenting it as fact. Thery know it's BS, but they want it out there anyway. I was so struck by it that I easily recal it today, and present it to you for review.
What follows is a BBC story fillled with BS of the highest magnitude.
They quote this bow-tie wearing, jew hating "expert" who has ZERO evidence of a massacre......only his misguided hatred.
Of course, there was no massacre and this guy was as full of **** as anyone could ever be, but the BBC ran the story with no problems. I wonder if the BBC ever did a follow up and appologize?
If the BBC never reported the opposing view then your whines might have some currency. However, that is not the case, as there have been a number of subsequent articles from the BBC detailing the findings of inquiries into the events in Jenin that clearly undermine the case for a large scale massacre of the kind claimed to have occured by the Palistinian side. Here is an example. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1965471.stm)
Statements such as "Thery know it's BS, but they want it out there anyway" from you presupposes that you know the intent behind the publishing of the said article, when that is clearly not true. Likewise, referring to the academic in question as a "bow-tie wearing, jew hating "expert" speaks volumes about your own biases.
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Never met an athiest that wasn't crazy... it has nothing to do with their toching faith in their unsupportable belief...I don't think...
just seems that they are all crazy.. you peel back the layers and you find that they are crazier than a **** house rat.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Never met an athiest that wasn't crazy... it has nothing to do with their toching faith in their unsupportable belief...I don't think...
just seems that they are all crazy.. you peel back the layers and you find that they are crazier than a **** house rat.
lazs
Being a person who does not believe I beg to differ.
I have "Faith" but do not believe in a "God".
I believe if you do the right thing and help others when you can you will have a better life.
Does that make me crazy?:huh
BTW I would rather follow a man who believed he was following the will of God than someone who followed the will of Liberals. Which by definition is a godless heathen with no moral compass.:aok
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Originally posted by BluKitty
it's hearsay and the BBC clearly says that...
is Bush ever Quoted no ... did I claim it no ...
(http://www.endevil.com/images/bluesbrothers2.jpg)
LOL, now you deny what you posted.
It is IN quotes, or are you so blind that you can not see that?
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Originally posted by Momus--
Statements such as "Thery know it's BS, but they want it out there anyway" from you presupposes that you know the intent behind the publishing of the said article, when that is clearly not true. Likewise, referring to the academic in question as a "bow-tie wearing, jew hating "expert" speaks volumes about your own biases.
Look up this guy's name on the internet and look at his agenda and background. The bbc reported his words without one shred of evidence to back any of it up. It was a 100% biased article and completey baseless and wrong. I thought the BBC was supposed to be some great, fair news outlet?
Look up Derrik Pounder on the internet and see if you think he might have an agenda against Isreal.
It doesn''t matter if the bbc reported an opposing view, this article was a slanted and unsubstaniated attempt to convey that a massacre had occured without even a shred of proof.
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Pounder is a respected forensic pathologist; you are a low grade bbs troll (yes I just realised who you are.) The only references to Pounder on the internet in respect of Israel are in relation to the events in Jenin. That does not amount to anything that substantiates the predictable smear of systemic anti-semitism that you are making. Now join your other ID on my ignore list, Nuke. :)
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wrong on the ID, momus.
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I thought the god thing was already known for years, from different occasions.
I don't know so much about the backgrounds of this story but already before it I've distrusted Bush also because hes said to have acted on gods will.
Even that one time is enough for me.. I can't stand leaders whos approving their actions by god.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Never met an athiest that wasn't crazy...
Would you have let tomato and me shoot your guns, knowing that we were both crazy? :eek:
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Aint religion great.
Love the people who get fanatic.
And at one point they believe themselfes just all thanks to religion.
Would be stupid if he did say that, very stupid.
So the president get schrizofrenic (or whatever spelled)
great!!
Whats next ?
Elvis offcourse
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mighty... not having faith in god would make you an agnostic.... Having totally unsuported faith that you knew for certain that there was not a god of any kind would make you an atheist.
beet... not all crazy persons are of any immediate danger. most are realtively harmless. If they can't vote they are even less dangerous.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
mighty... not having faith in god would make you an agnostic.... Having totally unsuported faith that you knew for certain that there was not a god of any kind would make you an atheist.
My, my, where did you get those definitions?
Agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there are any gods. root word gnostic (of knowledge), agnostic = no knowledge. No stance on belief either way. There are agnostic thiests, they don't profess to know but believe anyway.
Atheist is one who dosn't believe any gods exist. root word theist (god belief), atheist = no god belief. No stance on knowledge either way.
Agnostics dont know, atheists don't believe. One can be both.
I'd wager most atheists are agnostic atheists. If you find one that states they have totally unsuported faith that they know for certain that there was not a god of any kind, I'd like to meet him or her. Sounds to me like you're trying to define atheism out of existence (since we are crazier than a **** house rat).
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booz.. I would wager that most atheists were agnostics too. To believe that there is no god takes every bit as much faith as to believe that there is. Agnostic is the reasonable course for those who doubt.
by the very defenistion... if you totally lack a belief in god (atheist) then you are a believer.... you believe there is no god even tho you have no proof that is true. It is simply faith that makes an athiest. Faith that there can be no god.
lazs
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See Rule #5
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yep... when the government pays your bills then you are completely honest and incorruptable. Like PBS here.... everything the BBC says is highly tainted with leftist viewpoint.
Any news or information source that would accept government money is a joke.
lazs
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See Rule #5
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See Rule #5
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I listen to the World Service all the time, and there is no doubt in my
mind that the BBC promotes a political agenda. Those who claim it's
unbiased only do so because their personal bias dovetails nicely with
the BBC's.
If you have any doubt, just pay close attention to the language and
people interviewed on anything involving Iraq or Kyoto.
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See Rule #2, #5
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See Rule #2, #5
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Originally posted by OJespersen
and the BBC is forbidden by law to accept money elsewhere or run commercials.
Whats with the few commercials on BBC World?
Usually either tourist destinations or airline commercials.
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if they weren't such big government left wing commies the government would simply pull the funding plug soo... the BBC tows the line.
lazs
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See Rule #4, #2
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To those that want to discredit the BBC in this case.
LOL, wait a minute. You're a reporter for _________ ( <-- fill in the blank ) news organization and you're telling me that you would not report a direct quote from a known source???!!!
You may not like what your source is telling you, but I do believe that your job is not to withhold that quote. It would be up to your boss if the report gets distributed or not (in the case of national security or possible lives at risk if the report gets out. etc.).
If you've got proof that President Bush did not actually say those things, then post it. It's gotta be more than a hunch to disprove something. You can discredit the source if it's been proven he has a habit of embellishing the truth and outright lying in the past. To discredit the BBC just because you don't agree with the story is, well......
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See Rule #4, #2
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #4, #2
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See Rule #4,#2
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See Rule #5, #2
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See Rule #4
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as far as satalite radio and satalite TV go..... How they gonna stop you? They would if they could but they can't.
lazs
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See Rule #5, #2
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See Rule #6, #5
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See Rule #4, #5
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Hey, your experiences are no longer relevant. Don't shoot the messenger.
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See Rule #5, #2, #4
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Seems to be nothing more than an exercise in purging testorone. Get a grip folks.