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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: -sudz- on April 04, 2001, 10:53:00 AM
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Check it out . . .
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010404/0496.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010404/0496.html)
RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK AREA, N.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 4,
2001--iEntertainment Network, Inc. (NASDAQ: IENT - news), today
announced
that it was notified by Nasdaq of the decision to delist the company's
securities from The Nasdaq SmallCap Market at the opening of business on
April 5, 2001.
Annual Report 10-KSB just out also April 2, 2001: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/010402/ient.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/e/010402/ient.html)
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I'm convinced now beyond any doubt that WB III was released into a so called pay 'open beta' not because it was 'ready' or needed 'load testing' but because it was all they had left up thier sleeve to try and retain customers.
"For the first three months of 2001, the Company has maintained approximately the same amount of cash as at December 31, 2000. This has been accomplished primarily by reducing expenses and carrying and increasing trade payables. The Company's cash flow, however, depends upon numerous factors beyond its control, including the rates and volume of Internet advertising and the pay-for-play gaming market, which have both declined in recent months. If our cash flows from Internet advertising and/or the pay-for-play gaming market continue to decrease, the Company's future liquidity will be adversely affected.
Furthermore, although the Company's cash flow has remained neutral so far this year, its liabilities have been steadily increasing. Consequently, although the Companycontinues to have cash and cash equivalents of approximately $0.4 million, its auditors have raised substantial doubt about the Company's ability to continue as a going concern. If the Company does not generate sufficient revenues, it may have to raise additional capital, which will result in substantial dilution to the Company's current shareholders. Moreover, as a result of its low stock price and the probable delisting of our common stock from The Nasdaq SmallCap Market(TM), the Company may not be able to
raise additional capital or may be able to raise capital only on materially adverse terms."
And that is the bottom line (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I hope HTC is doing better.
-Westy
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Straying from the topic, have you seen the bug board over there? They got a long road ahead of them before this product is ready for production.
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CC Ripsnort. Agree 100%. I stopped checking there during the second or third week after the WB IIII alph__ er "beta" released.
-W
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This is starting to make sense now:
~Release your Beta product (Actually Alpha)and retain the customer base you have by making it an Open/Closed beta (ie. you have to be a paying member to have access to open beta, misnomer no?)
~Show potential buyers that you have an establish customer base (that's actually slaved to 2.77 via the opportunity to view WBIII Alpha) in your current software.
~Show the potential for the future software release (WBIII) to the prospective buyer, and/or shareholders, and hope to God that your stock value increases with the potential that your Alpha code holds, in the mean time, if that doesn't work ,the alpha holds a value in the sense that a 'prospective' buyer would see a gleem in the future.
Hmmm, doesn't look good for WB's, hope they can find a buyer soon, don't think we could fit all of our egos in one arena in AH! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, they put out the press release stating they were "on the block" something like six months ago.
This isn't the first time they've been delisted. Wait, maybe it is. They were downgraded to SmallCap, now it's delisting outright.
It went down from 14 to 11 cents/share today.
KEep in mind in your discussions that people's jobs depend on the success of this company, and thus that it is something of a tragedy.
Someone call the bugler.
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Dinger, I don't think theres a AH member that would honestly like to see WB's go bankrupt..monopolies within markets are a BAD thing for consumers, and, there's alot of things that WB's can offer up that AH can't, and visa versa! True, tis sad that folks will lose jobs, but, theres a silver lining in every cloud!
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Well I do think one of the major mistakes of ien was going public, puts to much pressure to make money at all costs.
As far as WB3, I dont they should've released it yet, it's buggy but beautiful. They should have waited a few more months to basically finish it then just do an open beta to load test, but that's just me.
Rip I agree with you, I do hope that IEN stays afloat been giving them cash now for 3 years of playing, but if it goes down there is AH, WW2 online, and a few others in the works.
Ideally, I would like to see warbirds just owned by the developers, but it's not going to happen.
oh well,
Narsus
"WB player"
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>They got a long road ahead of them before
>this product is ready for production.
I think they're far past the point of letting such minor details prevent them from starting to charge for it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They'll be billing for it before end of May my guess. And the faithful will line up calm as Hindu cows for the priviledge. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Or EA will by them to replace the AW crew. (tho they've prolly have had their fill of the flightsim crowd lol.)
Regards,
Wab
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 04-04-2001).]
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"Or EA will by them to replace ...AW "
I think this bit of speculation has sprouted simultaneously in several different newsgroups.
EA could get it for a song compared to whatever it would have cost to develop AW-4. Which had only begun being coded back in February.
May even be less costly than trying to patch and improve the existing AW to try to make it competative.
No matter what. WB III won't disappear even if iEN did, imo.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
This is starting to make sense now:
~Release your Beta product (Actually Alpha)and retain the customer base you have by making it an Open/Closed beta (ie. you have to be a paying member to have access to open beta, misnomer no?)
~Show potential buyers that you have an establish customer base (that's actually slaved to 2.77 via the opportunity to view WBIII Alpha) in your current software.
~Show the potential for the future software release (WBIII) to the prospective buyer, and/or shareholders, and hope to God that your stock value increases with the potential that your Alpha code holds, in the mean time, if that doesn't work ,the alpha holds a value in the sense that a 'prospective' buyer would see a gleem in the future.
HEHEHE!!! Sooner or later every software company will be Borged to the M$ "sales" plan (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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OhNooo
smile awhile
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Interesting insight into the challenges that a game closer to home faces and back ground for some of the things that happen financial wise.
Not all of us have been arround these games to know the pitfalls.(i havent)
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I'd say the chances of EA buying Warbirds is about equal to them releasing Jane's A-10 or Jane's F-15 2.0.
Don't hold your breath.
-Smut
Originally posted by AKWabbit:
>They got a long road ahead of them before
>this product is ready for production.
I think they're far past the point of letting such minor details prevent them from starting to charge for it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They'll be billing for it before end of May my guess. And the faithful will line up calm as Hindu cows for the priviledge. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Or EA will by them to replace the AW crew. (tho they've prolly have had their fill of the flightsim crowd lol.)
Regards,
Wab
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 04-04-2001).]
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And there are other potential giants out there. Maddox Game's Sturmovik will certainly send a shock wave when it comes out. Yes, it has been delayed of late, but that has more to do with the Ubisoft acquisition of Blue Byte, than any development snags. Once the Blue Byte servers are relocated at Ubisoft's Montreal offices, the beta process will begin in earnest. And who's to say this game can't go MMP? It all depends on the code ...
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leonid, Kompol
5 GvIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Maddox IL2 is eagerly awaited but I don't think it can, or is even meant to, compete with MMPOG like FA, AW, AH or WB's. In other words folks won't be leaving AH or WB's droves for the limited online play of IL2. I just don't see this 'shock' coming that some predict.
As for EA buying up iEN for WB III. Unlikely as has been pointed out they want to be the mecca for Bingo players and Hot Bunny Love Bops players. But stanger things have happened. MotorCiry Online will be out soon enough and that doesn't fit that mold. It is however an "'invented here' product and they've always been into racing and sports. I imagine those will be the "anchor attractions" in an EA.com online gaming "portal." If they stcik with the current AW then it shows they are ignorant as to what folks want or they really do want to just dump the flight sim biche. When subscriber numbers dwidnle they'll can it due to non-interest with thier customer base.
-Westy
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Oleg from IL-2 team has announced that they will build a MMP game:
Yes, we have a plan for the title with massive multiplayer, but with small pay per month charge. I can't say a the moment more.
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Originally posted by Staga:
Oleg from IL-2 team has announced that they will build a MMP game:
Yes, we have a plan for the title with massive multiplayer, but with small pay per month charge. I can't say a the moment more.
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Yeah.. a MMP game based out of Russia. I'd say atleast 70% of WB or AH consist of American players... simply because it's cheap for us to play online (no charge for phone usage, ie: dialup).
So, what you'll see is basically a form of freehost that you'll have to pay for. I'm willing to bet the only people playing MMP IL2 will be European and Russian, cuz if you're American and tried freehost(I haven't, others have and I know their comments on it) then you do NOT want to pay to play IL2. Imagine the absolute WORST connects to AH, that'll be the norm to play on a Russian server.
-SW
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Who says servers will be in Russia?
Anyway its too early to think about that game.
btw SW:
One out of ten ppl I know have dial-up; others are using ADSL(like me), cable or ISDN with only a monthly charge.
Some facts from Jan 1999:
Internet accounts:
Finland 107/1000 and U.S 86/1000
Mobile phones (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif):
Finland 580/1000, can't find U.S numbers?
http://www.stat.fi/tk/yr/tttietoti.html (http://www.stat.fi/tk/yr/tttietoti.html)
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AKSeaWulfe, if Maddox will install an MMP server on one of major Russian ISPs like Demos - connections to almost everywhere will be exellent. We played WB through a redirector installed there until new iEN team cut us off by iLZ tool.
And they can set up a server anywhere in the world.
BTW, Maddox is experienced in nework gaming, remember there last game - ZAR.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Boroda:
So how would IL-2 MMP deal with all the hackers flying 88mm cannon-armed, 5000 hp, Panzer-armored Yak 3's??
Just curious....
Cabby
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Cabby call to Oleg and ask.
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Staga:
YOU call him. And while you have him on the phone, ask him how he feels about "copyrights" and "reverse-engineering". See if you can get him to post the answer here or in AGW..........
Cabby
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Originally posted by cabby:
Boroda:
So how would IL-2 MMP deal with all the hackers flying 88mm cannon-armed, 5000 hp, Panzer-armored Yak 3's??
Just curious....
Cabby
You were asking Boroda a question which I'm sure only Oleg or his team can answer. Thats why I asked you to ask from Oleg. If you didn't understand it... forget it.
Your post looks like you're accusing Oleg being involved in FreeHost?
Was this how you want us to read that post?
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You definately mis-understood Cabby, Staga. The comment and question was directed to Boroda, I beleive. And for once, I stand next to Cabby in solidarity.
How ironic it would be for a Russian online game producer to have his product hacked and used for free outside Russia's borders.
I'm not wishing that on Maddox/Bluebyte Games mind you. But perhaps you can see the irony that some of us do in that prospect in light of what happened to WB's a little over a year ago.
They may reap what they sowed.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
You definately mis-understood Cabby, Staga. The comment and question was directed to Boroda, I beleive. And for once, I stand next to Cabby in solidarity.
How ironic it would be for a Russian online game producer to have his product hacked and used for free outside Russia's borders.
I'm not wishing that on Maddox/Bluebyte Games mind you. But perhaps you can see the irony that some of us do in that prospect in light of what happened to WB's a little over a year ago.
They may reap what they sowed.
-Westy
No, Westy, cabby meant that he didn't like Russians. And with that last statement of your own, you pretty much blew out any objectivity you had about Freehost, and Russians in general. It's blatant generalizations like this that make me glad I'll have a non-USA centered flight sim to go to. Just plain tired of Americans dragging this 'Cold War' crap to death. Get over it, and move on.
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Objectivity about Freehost? I never mentioned FH. But since you did. BINGO!
But you're seriously wacked with your 'cold war' comment and if you think I'm generalising about anything at all.
I never played WB's online, never had anything to do with FH and I can look at a situation objectively and make a comment. And that's something YOU cannot do. YOU have the problem. YOU need to get a grip on it.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
Objectivity about Freehost? I never mentioned FH. But since you did. BINGO!
But you're seriously wacked with your 'cold war' comment and if you think I'm generalising about anything at all.
I never played WB's online, never had anything to do with FH and I can look at a situation objectively and make a comment. And that's something YOU cannot do. YOU have the problem. YOU need to get a grip on it.
-Westy
Okay, I'll go see a psychologist. But, read my post again. It was objectivity about Freehost and Russians in general. Big difference. Now, explain your comment, "They may reap what they sow." Who are you referring to, and why?
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 04-06-2001).]
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It's very simple Leonid. It appears it is not against the law in Russia to hack software or steal it outright from persons/companies of foreign nationalities for one's own benefit.
As Russian software programs become more popular this is will happen to them in turn also.
That is what is meant by 'they will reap what they sow'
By not protecting the work, labors and products of others they leave thier own people who are now treading into the very same territoy to be victims of the same abuse with no one to help them.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
It's very simple Leonid. It appears it is not against the law in Russia to hack software or steal it outright from persons/companies of foreign nationalities for one's own benefit.
As Russian software programs become more popular this is will happen to them in turn also.
That is what is meant by 'they will reap what they sow'
By not protecting the work, labors and products of others they leave thier own people who are now treading into the very same territoy to be victims of the same abuse with no one to help them.
-Westy
Well, nothing I can disagree with there. And I apologize to you about 'Cold War' generalizations. I encounter this on many forums (not just here), but you were wrongfully 'generalized' into the 'Cold War' generalization category. Looks like the doctor can slip me in for a 2:00pm appointment ...
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Originally posted by cabby:
Staga:
YOU call him. And while you have him on the phone, ask him how he feels about "copyrights" and "reverse-engineering". See if you can get him to post the answer here or in AGW..........
Cabby
Hmmmm...
No ...
I don't want to discuss with this guys ...
Let think a bit more ...
NA it won't work ...
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Westy's got it right. For a change (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Leonid, i rather like Boroda, thru his BBS posts and private emails with him. As usual, YOU however, got it wrong. BTW, I don't approve of FH/FB, and would never consider playing it. I DO understand why it exists, though.
I look forward to IL-2's release. Looks to be an awesome sim. I still would like to know how they will handle hacker's in MMP.
You see, i won't PLAY a game that has hackers playing in it that aren't immediately banned for life. No excuses, no "probation", no BS.
I've got better things to do.......
Cabby
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Looks like I have it all wrong.
Извините.
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Cabby, you asked this question to a wrong person. I didn't see IL-2 since winter, 1999, when Moscow warbirders visited Maddox and he showed us some stuff.
I completely agree with you that cheating in online games sucks, and cheaters must be punished. But why do you associate our project with cheating? We try our best to find them, and believe me, in some cases our cheat-protection is better then iEN's.
Again: it was not me who mentioned Russian WB server first. And noone will ever make me post any links to connecting instructions here or on any Western forum, regardles to mr. Neualt's opinion I have never done this.
Cabby, our views are different, I often disagree with you - but you are an interesting opponent, very nice to talk to people like you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I hope you understand that usually I try to show the common opinion from Russia here, or even some things from old Soviet POV, and your reaction is usually worth it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) In RL I am not so anti-American, and I never will support any modern "communists" of any kind.
Funny, I think that my political views are "right", and in Russia it means that they are "liberal", absolutely different from what I see here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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I like Good ol Boroda too, as a person. I don't like his scum-sucking FH, though, no matter how good his rationalizations are.
If Il-2 is good, count on it being hacked, and one of the few places where it can be hacked and stolen is Russia. It has nothing to do with your slant or politics, just the laws as they exist.
Russian law is not right in the true sense of the word. Il-2 will be hacked and cloned(legally) in Russia, count on it.
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
I like Good ol Boroda too, as a person. I don't like his scum-sucking FH, though, no matter how good his rationalizations are.
If Il-2 is good, count on it being hacked, and one of the few places where it can be hacked and stolen is Russia. It has nothing to do with your slant or politics, just the laws as they exist.
Russian law is not right in the true sense of the word. Il-2 will be hacked and cloned(legally) in Russia, count on it.
Well, Gadfly, Boroda's rational for FH is not American. It's Russian. Sorry, but just because an American says something is 'right' or 'wrong', doesn't mean it'll hold up in other than a USA court of law. Certainly, there are basic moral concepts that are common to all people, but mercantile laws are not one of them. Sorry, it's just that there's a bigger world out there than the USA.
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just because an American says something is 'right' or 'wrong', doesn't mean it'll hold up in other than a USA court of law
yes, this fact really shines when a goverment decides the best way to make its citizens agree with it is to murder a few of them......
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Quote:
"Certainly, there are basic moral concepts that are common to all people, but mercantile laws are not one of them. Sorry, it's just that there's a bigger world out there than the USA."
I would think it to be common sense to respect the "mercantile laws" of the people(i.e. The West) who control most of the money. Russia will continue to have a relatively low standard of living until it realises this.
Cabby
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Well, just to make some things clear:
Russian copyright laws are different from the US. In many cases they are aimed at protecting local software manufacturers and users. It supports every foreign software developer if it meets certain reasonable conditions. If you want to make business in Russia - you have to follow them.
So, I hope you understand that in this situation it's rather dangerous and stupid to break the laws and harming Russian companies. Another reasons not to do so is this are the realistic pricing policies of Russian software companies. For example, official licenesed "jewel" copy of Flanker-2, Storm (it will be released in the West as "Echelon") or even Jagged Allience-2 translated to Russian are 80 rubles per disk, equal to $3. AFAIK IL-2 will be released here under the same price. Also, so called "pirate" CD publishers never release any software developed here simply because they want to support local programmers. The same thing about crackers.
Cabby, I find some American "merchantile laws" rather stupid. Russian are not ideal too. They are enforced by governments. According to Lenin - State is an instrument of supression and subjection of personality, and this is a rare example when I agree with him completely.
TheWobble: what are you speaking about? If you accuse modern Russian regime of such things - then you have to say that German government is responsible for nazi crimes. And don't forget that USA forgot about so-called "human rights" of it's citizens many times even in the XX century. As I said above - it's a standard method of any state.
One of my former classmates returned to Russia with his American wife and a child after living in Texas for 10 years. He left a house there, and he owned firearms (SKS and some other barrels), but his views are not as extreme as yours...
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Originally posted by cabby:
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"Certainly, there are basic moral concepts that are common to all people, but mercantile laws are not one of them. Sorry, it's just that there's a bigger world out there than the USA."
I would think it to be common sense to respect the "mercantile laws" of the people(i.e. The West) who control most of the money. Russia will continue to have a relatively low standard of living until it realises this.
Cabby
That's not necessarily true. Even Iraq seems to be doing well these days.
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Screw mercantile laws. If you can't see the obvious moral problem with FH, then I won't waste electrons trying to convince you otherwise.
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If this thread were a rocket the ground crew would of hit the self-destruct button. It's gone waaaaay off-course.
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Quote:
"That's not necessarily true. Even Iraq seems to be doing well these days."
If that's your idea of doing "well", i'd hate to see anything you describe as doing "badly".....
Cabby
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Gadfly, guess we disagree. I'll agree to that, at least (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
cabby, we've fought over just about everything, and been pretty nasty about at times. I almost feel like I know you - lol. I'd even attempt to buy you a drink - if I could tie you down good enough (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 04-10-2001).]
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So, Leonid, it's ok if I come to your house and steal all your stuff, as long as I take it to a different country?
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Not very smart, Gadfly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Better throw something at me (I'll prefer something valuable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) then try to abuse Leonid who doesn't have anything common with our project.
Also please understand that discussing moral side of this problem will never persuade anyone.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Morals are absolute, Boroda. It makes no difference what your laws or belief system, stealing is stealing, murder is murder, etc.
Leonid, has a stake only in that he chooses to accept that FH is ok.
edit-Boroda, I am Lizkng, in case you did not know.
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 04-10-2001).]
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Please dont bring the FH crap here, even if this is an off-topic Forum.
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I'm out. Nothing being resolved here.
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Well, WB III lasted about 30 min on my HD, its definately Alpha compared to what AH was in V.34. This is just one small example of the graphics differences:
WB3 Hellcat
(http://www.ants-inc.com/Merrick/Warbirds/F6Fs.jpg)
Realistically rendered Hellcat
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/shots/f6f1.jpg)
AH Hellcat thrown in for grins
Bugs galore is an understatement. I will try again in a couple months, it may be closer to a beta version by then. 30 min. is the shortest any flight sim has lasted on my HD...a record. Reinforces my belief that this product was released into beta too soon in order to find a buyer, or get potential investment in the future.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 04-11-2001).]
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Lizking, nice to know it's you!
I thought I made my position clear to everyone many times before, and don't want to say it again because it's useless.
Some people will throw toejam at me again and say that I advertise here, but please look at how the topic developed here.
Boroda out.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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No sir, Boroda, I know that you do not advertise it, and for that I am thankful.
As to WBIII, it is alpha, though far from a pc of crap. I won't bother with it, just like AH and WWIIonline, until it meets my definition of fun.
(http://users2.ev1.net/~mpiaustin/unomas.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 04-11-2001).]
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Rip,
Something tells me the Mac version of WBs III is a little further along than the Mac version of Aces High, bugs and all.
EDIT: Gotta admit, that AH F6F is pretty.
(http://world.std.com/~pjw/wb3f6f.jpg)
Respectfully,
Possum
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