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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on October 10, 2005, 12:43:42 AM
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Damn good guns! After shooting a Les Baer 1911 today I may have to seriously consider this $1,700 wonder as my first handgun! Amazing!
:)
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I've got my heart set on a Springfield GI 1911.
My needs are modest. :cool:
Best reviews of various 1911's (http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/1911_reviews.htm)
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I was very set on getting a Springfield Mil-Spec or Loaded a while ago. Inexpensive ($400-$600), but fairly reliable from what I've been hearing of other's experiences. Some good sites to read up on 1911's:
Hilton Yam's Signature Grade (http://www.signaturegrade.com)- He is supposedly one of the better up and coming 1911 smiths. Read some of his articles like the http://www.signaturegrade.com/sg/which1911.html.
The 1911 Pistols Home Page (http://www.m1911.org/m1911dt.htm)- Good site for tons of information on the 1911. Kinda like the page Hangtime linked.
The 1911 is such a beautiful weapon, feels nice in the hand. Good luck!
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My son has a mil spec. It is ok. But just.... Ok..
I have a Kimber eclipse custom. There is no comparisson. The Kimber is worth every penny. It is sitting by my coffee cup right now and, I am a revolver man.
Shot a les bauer and wilson combat... I would take either of those guns but the Kimber is a lot better deal.
Have about 5k rounds of factor and reloads through the gun and it is as tight as the day I bought it. At 25 yards it shoots groups allmost as good as my 44 mags. It is a gun that everyone seems to like to shoot.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Damn good guns! After shooting a Les Baer 1911 today I may have to seriously consider this $1,700 wonder as my first handgun! Amazing!
:)
The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team used to use Les Baer's as their standard sidearm. However they discontinued this due to the almost constant care they require. I believe they now use an off the shelf .45 Glock model. Just something to think about before shelling out that kinda cash.
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Grun
What one did you shoot?
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Originally posted by lazs2
My son has a mil spec. It is ok. But just.... Ok..
I have a Kimber eclipse custom. There is no comparisson. The Kimber is worth every penny. It is sitting by my coffee cup right now and, I am a revolver man.
Shot a les bauer and wilson combat... I would take either of those guns but the Kimber is a lot better deal.
Have about 5k rounds of factor and reloads through the gun and it is as tight as the day I bought it. At 25 yards it shoots groups allmost as good as my 44 mags. It is a gun that everyone seems to like to shoot.
lazs
Damn good advice. At the $1500 price level; why dick around. Just get a Kimber, and you'll get what you expect... a superb match capable weapon that can also stand the rigors of constant use and remain utterly reliable.
On the other hand (it's why most humans were blessed with two as original equipment) if your budget taps out in the $500.00 range and your tastes run towards utterly reliable, high quality and repeatable accuracy, then the Springfied is the pick.
The problem is there's a huge number of $500.00 1911 makers out there. But not all 1911's are created equal. The Springfield is far more 'equal' than the other 400-600 dollar copies. It's just a better quality weapon than anything in it's price range and stands head and shoulders above most of the clones. And I like the trigger pull better than even the S&W which is the next gun 'up' in the price range..
I doubt I'll fire more than 300-400 rounds a year thru it, and my tastes are pretty basic.. point and shoot. I'm no long range pistol marksman, don't need purdy, shiney or classy.. just need a rock solid dependable shooter that'll drop a man sized close-in target in the blink of an eye without a whole buncha 'refamiliarization' with a 'different' weapon than what I originally learned on.
So for me, the Springfield represents what I'm lookin for... just a good, strong & utterly reliable well made weapon that feels and shoots right. Kinda what the 1911 was all about in the first place. ;)
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Kimber is by far the most bang for the buck. You can't buy a base model Springfield and build it up to the Kimber level for the sam price. Colt is selling nothing but the name and even the name isn't worth much any more.
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I've heard nothing but good things from a buddy that owns a kimber.
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If I had money (****in college) I'd buy a Springfield 1911 the day I turn 21.
But I won't have money. At least not for another 3 years.
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Look up my thread on the Springfield I bought.
Brand new out of the box and it needed a new slide release, a longer barrel link and a new extractor.
Granted they did it all under warranty.
Fluke? Yea prolly but I have heard others with stories close to mine.
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That's good info Gto... have heard of odd issues with Springfield guns on occasion. I had a good friend that had an issue with a brand new one.. also was fixed by the factory N/C and overnighted back to him.
The two I've fired were crisp and accurate and the owners I've talked too all loved 'em.. even the guy with the chambering problem. The one I'm looking at is slightly used, and the owner's let be run 50 rounds thru it so far. Haven't even had a 'flyer' with it yet. I like it. We're shooting out his SP ammo now, then I'm gonna try ball and AP and see how it does. ;)
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Oh now its a great little gun, a blast to shoot as well.
Nice trigger, and I like the porting.
Their customer service was very good too.
I just wish I had not taken them to WA state before my GF went insane and dumped me! lol.
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Know whatcha mean. My Uncles WWII 1911 was left with my brother when my kid was born. That mindless dolt 'lost' it in the intervening 20 years.
gawdamn, but that still pisses me the hell off every time I think about it.
The Springfield will make a nice replacement, I think. Maybe even a lil nicer, but still, it didn't ride in a P-51 or fly over Berlin. That weapon was history and represented to me all the great things my family did back in those days. Painful to think about it as 'lost'.
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hangtime..that is truly a brutal story..: ( snif sniffle
this is mine..its baddazz
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/842_1126303796_1911.jpg)
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Yeah that sucks Hang.
My X is cool though, we are still friends.
I just am not going to have time to go up their and get my crap before the roads close with snow.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Damn good guns! After shooting a Les Baer 1911 today I may have to seriously consider this $1,700 wonder as my first handgun! Amazing!
:)
Grun,
Out of all the semi-autos the well tuned 1911 has yet to be beat for trigger pull. If you can afford that Les Baer, go for it.
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Green Cloud.. ohhh man. Nice. You've been buzy upgrading. That's very sweet thing about 1911's.. options, options, options. ;)
Regarding a piece we're both familiar with.. been having lotsa fun. PM OTW.
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No one ever talks about STI the best 1911 on the market. As a ipsc shooter i can say that STI is a great buy for the price.
(http://www.stiguns.com/USPress/a_handgunner/AH-STI-2011sm.jpg)
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He didn't lose it Hang,........
He sold it for cash.
My brother-in-LAH has one of those tricked out 1911s...paid like 2k for the damnged thing and never takes it out of the vacuume sealed bag.
Glock 45 might be interesting.....
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Heres a couple of .45s and a 10mm.........................
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2845/p1010028112fc.jpg)
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Originally posted by FX1
No one ever talks about STI the best 1911 on the market. As a ipsc shooter i can say that STI is a great buy for the price.
(http://www.stiguns.com/USPress/a_handgunner/AH-STI-2011sm.jpg)
I am looking at a STI for mynext 1911...............a Eagle 5" in 10mm:D .......15+ round of 10mm sounds like fun.
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Originally posted by Yeager
He didn't lose it Hang,........
He sold it for cash.
The idjit has never been pressed for cash in his whole life. On the other hand, since he sold his house about 10 years back everything related to 'not immediately needed' got boxed up and and has moved thru a couple of different storage places. He recently built a new house and has been moving stuff from storage into it.. it may yet turn up.
I'm sure if he was 'motivated' by my physical presence (he's 3000 miles outta range) to find the damn thing, it WOULD re-appear. I won't be satisfied it's 'really' lost untill I've gone thru every damn box in his possesion myself. THEN if it's 'lost', I kick his ass. ;)
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kimber... mine is the custom eclipse in the upper right of your pic.
Even my son had some issues with his sprigfield.... I wouldn't trust a mill spec springfield till I put about a thousand rounds thru it. I would use kimber (CM) or wilson combat mags in it too.
The only other 45 I liked was my old chrome Colt military with ivory grips.... so loose it rattled and not all that accurate but utterly reliable.
lazs
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Springfield mags are garbage.
Just junk, they look like the 9.99 garbage mags at gun shows.
They still cause failure to feeds if I use them.
I bought Wilson combat 7 rounders for the mine and they are worth every penny.
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The 1911 model IIRC originally came from the factory with a lose fit to insure reliable function.
The tightly fitted and extremely accurate 1911's are a fairly recent developement. Many call em Race guns. Most are very expensive to create or purchase.
Kimber 1911's are basically Race guns right out of the box at a lower price.
Have known a few people that purchased Kimbers and NONE have had any problems with em.
The STI, IMHO, is a great firearm but NOT my cup of tea. The wider grip, to accomadate the extra ammo, is too big for my hand.
If you can afford the Kimber IMHO buy it you won't be disappointed.
A brief note: The commander and officer models tend to put the ejected cartridges straight back, and up, and onto your head where the standard 5 inch barrel jobs tend to eject to your right, up, and rear.
Another brief note: Maintain a firm wrist and grip as some 1911 will stove pipe or have ejection problems without a firm base for recoil to operate against.
A finale brief note: Recoil springs! Beware a too weak or too strong recoil spring will creat problems. Many 1911 come from the factory with a fairly stiff recoil spring on purpose. If you elect to replace this spring with a weaker or heavier recoil spring then consider putting in some sort of recoil buffer device to avoid frame damage!
Love the 44 mags, and the 357, but fav is the 1911 in .45 acp.
The 10mm is a very potent round and there have been complaints of poor accuracy and excessive recoil with this round. This resulted in the birth of the .40 cal. round.
Many report both excellent results and reliabilty with the Chip McCormick mags. And the price is reasonable.
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I bought some Chip McCormick mags when I bought the Wilson combat ones. Both from brownells.
The chip McCormick 7 rounders for Compact .45s didn't work well. the follower was too small and it would tip forward allowing the the nose of the rounds in the mag to dip. This caused feeding problems.
I bought two, and both did it.
The Wilson Combat ones have worked perfectly.
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Gto it was the TRS at Reeds.
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GtoRA2. I did the exact same thing.
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wrag,
don't even get me started on the 10mm nonsence most people think about them:D
BTW....the Eclipse Custom in the upper right of the pic is a 10mm:)
As you can tell I use Wilson 47Ds in all my 1911s(except the 10mm its got a 47N) ,but am thinking about tryibg some Tripp Cobramags in my 10mm.
I run 18.5 variable recoil springs in my .45s and a 22 in my 10mm:D
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mine is a 45. I really wouldn't bother with a 10 mm or even a 357 sig.... the 45 is about perfect in the 1911 frame and I am not a huge fan of autos anyway... If I wanted a powerful 1911 tho I would simply go with a 38 super... so long as they chamber on the case mouth they are very accurate.
I have the 45 because it is fun to shoot and people like it shen they want to shoot with me and it is light years ahead of the old colts and.... the brass is cheap and plentiful and easy to reload... a 10mm or 357 sig would klinda lose those attributes....
When I want power in a handgun I go revolver... if I want power and concealability and comfort (to carry) I go with a smith 340 pd in .357
the big fat double row grips on a 1911 are a complex solution to a nonexistent problem.... 8 or nine rounds is plenty. If you compete I can see the reason but it is just bulky and awkward and creates a need for expensive mags for no reason otherwise. A rail to mount a flashlight on? I would be embarassed. but that's just me.
I enjoy shooting the Kimber... the sprigfield.... half as much. I don't like making excuses for guns and I don't like knowing that there is a far better one (at everything) one out there that I could'a spent the extra dollar a month (over the guns lifetime) to get and didn't.
Guess I am really a revolver guy... they do everything better but.... I like the Kimber. It is fun and cheap and easy to shoot and I am not tempted to customize it in any way (I did put a clip on the right side to eliminate a holster)
oh... all the 45's in every picture I ever see are cocked and locked. I have never felt that comfortable with em that way.. I just leave em with one in the chamber and hammer down and **** the thing on the way out.... comes from all my single action revolver time I guess.
lazs
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Hehe. **** is still blocked.
I leave mine on half cocked. It can actually bang the firing pin if you drop it if the hammer is all the way down.