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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Waffle on October 12, 2005, 05:50:50 AM
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Is it just me, or has the quality and substance of threads here become significantly lower within the last several months. Pretty much every thread here is filled with an idiotic replies, written in so called “elite” speak. There’s very rarely a sublime tongue-in-cheek joust – it’s just pretty much “quah” this, “pnwd” that with a healty dose of personal attacks. (BTW, I believe Spork42 is to be blamed for this “qauh” thing.) But I digress…..
The foolish debate about furballing vs base captures…has to be one of the worst culprits of causing the normally sane, intelligent, well-spoken people of the Aces High COMMUNITY to lose all their facilities and drone on and one about “play my way…no?...you suck (insert your standard low-brow attempt at insult here)”
If I was new to the community instead of watching it evolve over several years, I don’t know if I would like it. Just some of the arrogance and lack of intellect and respect from certain cliques of people would be enough to leave a bad taste. Granted, it is an online game, and there will be some element of “quake kids” in it, but Aces High is so far above games like that. Here you have to think, react, use strategy, have teamwork and cooperation.
Well unless you’re furballing – then we’re back to “air quake” and “you ho’d me because I wont admit that you killed me due to a nice front quarter shot, and my internet persona can’t handle getting shot down, cause I’m still better than anyone here.”
What i find odd is that you can’t get a fair fight in the “so-called” fighter town. Even if you engage a con, or turn the tables of one attacking…you’ll be jumped by 3 or more others. Good luck finding the great rush of a good 1 vs 1 that last 8 to 10 minutes – a type of fight that leaves you with a pounding chest because you forgot to breathe in the last minutes of the fight. I would fight more in fighter town if you could find those more often, but all you have is score rubes in a horde circling and waiting for you to get engaged so they can come in for an easy kill. Then they run off to base believing they are a good “virtual pilot”
Oh well if you like beating your head on a wall.....
I would love to see the results from that player base questionnaire HTC had a few months back when you logged in. At least then I could know if it’s just smart-alec kids or adults that have simply lost their mind.
To the vocal vain minority..
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This "elite" speak is mostly kids. I have tho seen many adults typing this on this BBS and on the game. Its rather immature. Just my opinion.
I think its the "young" armchair warriors who run their mouths more than the adults. It is getting old Waffle, I agree.
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QUAH is QUAH.
FT is FT.
You're right, good luck finding a 1v1 there. When it was still a back up MA map and we had 10 people in there... There were NO 1v1's. That's why they call it a furball. The fun of it is seeing how many you can kill before they kill you or before you run out of ammo. There hasnt been furballs in the MA like there has been in FT in a loooong time. One massive constant all night long furball.
If a 1v1 lasts 8-10 minutes its probably because you're both too girlish to engage and get the job done, neither have ammo, one is running (which is considered fighting by many these days) both are blind and cant land a shot, or drunk.
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I am extremely disappointed about myself, that I lost control, and went into that discussion. I have to agree that nowaday it is very hard to find a good interesting post on this board, and level of the posts are much lower, than they were few years ago.
I decided to stay stay away from this board, and minimize my participation in anything which involves interaction with AH community. It does not includes old time AH friends and squadies, they always can find my support and I am always happy to give them my time for anything.
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See Rule #4, #16
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Originally posted by SEgunner
This "elite" speak is mostly kids. I have tho seen many adults typing this on this BBS and on the game. Its rather immature. Just my opinion.
I think its the "young" armchair warriors who run their mouths more than the adults. It is getting old Waffle, I agree.
Oh... I dunno.... I'm 47 years old and I think it's pretty funny.
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wow - I need to go to the track today and place some wagers....I'll hit the daily double for sure...
Figured within 5 post someone would post with something trivial and non-productive..even in elite speak...
Nailed that right on the head.
(http://www.dangreve.com/gif/kookoo.gif)
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Maybe there needs to be a little more moderation on the boards, pun intended.
I agree WRT fighter town too, thought it was the best thing in AH for ages at first, but it is starting to pall now. Sometimes I circle near one of the enemy bases, a little away from the conveyor belt route to the lake. It is very hard to tempt a lone con towards you though, even co alt. They just want to pull you back to their friends or they come at you mob handed.
Killing the dar with rockets and extending away from the lake and beyond icon range has worked a couple of times. Players feel safer behind their own base and feel less threatened by jabos.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Is it just me, or has the quality and substance of threads here become significantly lower within the last several months.
It's you, I think. The furballer v. toolshed warrior fight, in particular, has been going on forever, and usually breaks down on the same lines ("Why do you want to ruin our fun, you unskilled dweeb?" v. "I can play any way I like, you mindless airquaker"). Glad I don't have to fly there.
- oldman
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you are absolutely right waffle! it is a disgrace! I BLAME CANADA!!! :furious :mad:
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How did I know this would turn into yet another Blue Knights bash thread? If you're not part of the solution, Waffle, you're part of the problem.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well put waffle.
Although I did take a Hurri MK1 into FT and managed to get 2 kills but I had to call in the rest of the squad to clear my butt so I could land those 2 kills. but thats kinda sad when you have to have the back up of the BOPs just to go land some kills.
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The thread started out good....but unfortunately it too turned into a rant itself. Its part of the game. Someone gets beats, their only recourse is to sputter on here. I see it on ch200 all the time.
Pilot1 - "You're lucky you had so much E!"
Pilot2- "Lets go DA then."
Pilot1- "Later...Im busy"
Its just how some people handle defeat. As if they think when they die a sign pops up for all to see that says he was killed by so and so. And he tries to defend his death.
If a new guy came here and saw the rants, chances are he would ignore most of them. He'd either think he didnt have an opinion yet, or he would be too busy in the game rather than on these boards. But Im sure even the new guy...will voice his opinions in due time.
Best thing to do is ignore it if it bothers you. Somedays Im in the mood to say stuff..other days I just shake my head.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
How did I know this would turn into yet another Blue Knights bash thread? If you're not part of the solution, Waffle, you're part of the problem.
-- Todd/Leviathn
yeah - your right... should've kept that to myself and just snickered....but it wasn't a BK bash / rant....
I think you're wanting it to be.
Btw I edited my post.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
How did I know this would turn into yet another Blue Knights bash thread? If you're not part of the solution, Waffle, you're part of the problem.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I don't see any mention of the BK in Waffle post.
Put if you find it fit your squad behaviour ... perhaps is he not far from truth ?
what do you think ?
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's you, I think. The furballer v. toolshed warrior fight, in particular, has been going on forever, and usually breaks down on the same lines ("Why do you want to ruin our fun, you unskilled dweeb?" v. "I can play any way I like, you mindless airquaker"). Glad I don't have to fly there.
- oldman
I disagree here. Such discussions became much less tolerant lately at this forum. I felt it clearly when I returned after a break. Forum became almost unreadable and much more borring. Almost any thread is sooner or later trolled with agressive remarks.
I do not know what is a reason for it, but I hope it will change.
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Yup, AH community has only gotten worse and worse... and worse over the years.
Personally I am getting very tired of it, and of the MA. It is no fun anymore, only waiting for ToD and I hope that will bring back the fun of AH.
MA is a never ending gang bang, either direction. Either you have the 10 -1 numbers or you don't.
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Originally posted by straffo
I don't see any mention of the BK in Waffle post.
Put if you find it fit your squad behaviour ... perhaps is he not far from truth ?
what do you think ?
Did you miss the part where he edited some comments he made about the BKs?
Must've.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I think the AH community has gotten funnier and funnier. I think some of you "older" players take the internet waaay to seriously. The game has gotten boringer and boringer do to the lack of furballs but that's just my opinion. :huh
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
How did I know this would turn into yet another Blue Knights bash thread? If you're not part of the solution, Waffle, you're part of the problem.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Leviathn, no one wants to bash to Blue Knights just for the sake of it.
the only thing that gets people a bit peeved at the BKs is....I'll just come out with it and not beat around the bush........... you used to be a squad of highly skilled gentlemen. It just seems to most that you expanded into a squad of highly skilled over self admiring gamers.
i still dont have any reason to bash you BKs, and this isnt a bash.....its the truth in my eyes.
And it really doesnt bother me....but you did bring up the recent BK bashing, and this, imo, is the cause.
S!
PS: oh, and im not even saying this is what you ARE, its merely what you APPEAR to be to the rest of the community.
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Hmm how to handle it in game is easy. DON'T TUNE INTO CH 200. Espesialy if you have a thin skin.
Now onto the boards.
Think of the boards as a stage with a spot light on you.
Ever been to a small comedy club. There is always someone in the crowd who goes just to heckle . If the heckler get the comics flustered its open season on him. People who were just there to see the show will become hecklers also. Human nature is all that it is .
Post at your own risk. Better luck if you are not thin skinned.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Did you miss the part where he edited some comments he made about the BKs?
Must've.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I didn't saw it was edited , sorry,my apologies.
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yup, im in agreement here too. i mean, how many posts have there been in the last week arguing over a HO??
how about we all grow up huh?
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Originally posted by Bronk
Hmm how to handle it in game is easy. DON'T TUNE INTO CH 200. Espesialy if you have a thin skin.
Now onto the boards.
Think of the boards as a stage with a spot light on you.
Ever been to a small comedy club. There is always someone in the crowd who goes just to heckle . If the heckler get the comics flustered its open season on him. People who were just there to see the show will become hecklers also. Human nature is all that it is .
Post at your own risk. Better luck if you are not thin skinned.
Bronk
the god of the AHBBS whoever it is blessed us with the power to block people. Easy salution, it's like squelching people.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Hmm how to handle it in game is easy. DON'T TUNE INTO CH 200. Espesialy if you have a thin skin.
Now onto the boards.
Think of the boards as a stage with a spot light on you.
Ever been to a small comedy club. There is always someone in the crowd who goes just to heckle . If the heckler get the comics flustered its open season on him. People who were just there to see the show will become hecklers also. Human nature is all that it is .
Post at your own risk. Better luck if you are not thin skinned.
Bronk
very good example!
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Originally posted by mechanic
Leviathn, no one wants to bash to Blue Knights just for the sake of it.
the only thing that gets people a bit peeved at the BKs is....I'll just come out with it and not beat around the bush........... you used to be a squad of highly skilled gentlemen. It just seems to most that you expanded into a squad of highly skilled over self admiring gamers.
i still dont have any reason to bash you BKs, and this isnt a bash.....its the truth in my eyes.
And it really doesnt bother me....but you did bring up the recent BK bashing, and this, imo, is the cause.
S!
PS: oh, and im not even saying this is what you ARE, its merely what you APPEAR to be to the rest of the community.
im also in agreement here :(
i love you bk's, your great characters, and even better pilots, but just like great actors can get a little big for thier boots. i think if the community stopped trying to show off to each other, it'd be a far better place
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"...so it begins..." :noid :O :cry
or "here we go again"
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A couple of points, Batfink. First, people quickly forget that Lazs has been around for years representing the best public interests of the BKs. At one point years ago HTC requested that he stop posting in the general forum because he pissed off so many people and generated so much hostility. Now, I think Lazs would punch me in the kidney if I suggested he was a gentleman, so I'll just pretend you didn't say that for your own sake.
Second, the BKs don't take the game seriously. We have fun with it. The self-admiring or apparent self-admiring is a joke. It's hyperbole and sarcasm. Does anyone honestly think I go around declaring that I am King of the Pwn? It's a joke exactly because that's not me. Maybe others don't get the joke, but we do, and that's what counts. My advice is for folks to lighten up.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by mechanic
Leviathn, no one wants to bash to Blue Knights just for the sake of it.
the only thing that gets people a bit peeved at the BKs is....I'll just come out with it and not beat around the bush........... you used to be a squad of highly skilled gentlemen. It just seems to most that you expanded into a squad of highly skilled over self admiring gamers.
i still dont have any reason to bash you BKs, and this isnt a bash.....its the truth in my eyes.
And it really doesnt bother me....but you did bring up the recent BK bashing, and this, imo, is the cause.
S!
PS: oh, and im not even saying this is what you ARE, its merely what you APPEAR to be to the rest of the community.
Agreed.
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Online EGO is unavoidible, but i must agree waffle that there is way too much crap being spewed on the boards and in the MA. Some people just have to lighten up and stop taking themselfs so seriously.
38Maw
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Something else, when I read it thru some recent flames on the forum, it became more clear to me, that people do not actually read what other people write. The real problem is that people more concern about what they say, than what other people say.
Understanding is a rare thing in the world, and even more rare thing on this board. =)
What can be changed here? It is apparent for me, that the only thing I can really change in this world, is me. So, because I have nothing else constructive to say, I will just shut up. =)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
A couple of points, Batfink. First, people quickly forget that Lazs has been around for years representing the best public interests of the BKs. At one point years ago HTC requested that he stop posting in the general forum because he pissed off so many people and generated so much hostility. Now, I think Lazs would punch me in the kidney if I suggested he was a gentleman, so I'll just pretend you didn't say that for your own sake.
Second, the BKs don't take the game seriously. We have fun with it. The self-admiring or apparent self-admiring is a joke. It's hyperbole and sarcasm. Does anyone honestly think I go around declaring that I am King of the Pwn? It's a joke exactly because that's not me. Maybe others don't get the joke, but we do, and that's what counts. My advice is for folks to lighten up.
-- Todd/Leviathn
{batfink} oh, and im not even saying this is what you ARE, its merely what you APPEAR to be to the rest of the community.
seems to me we are agreeing on this point atleast.
the term gentelman is more of a reflection on you general morals, how you fly, and your attitude to healthy competition.
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fariz, thats the best point anyone made this thread
{edited to save continuation of arguments}
I always have given people a fair start in life. I'm pretty sure if anyone doesnt like me its something about me they dont like and inevitable we wont get on. I have nothing against the Blue Knights, or indeed any squad in AH (LTARs aside of course).
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Originally posted by Fariz
Something else, when I read it thru some recent flames on the forum, it became more clear to me, that people do not actually read what other people write. The real problem is that people more concern about what they say, than what other people say.
Understanding is a rare thing in the world, and even more rare thing on this board. =)
ROFL, god im glad someone else noticed this. I will watch a thread progress through 5-6 pages sometimes many more... And starting usually on page two or the end of one, more and more new players to the thread will start adding their opinions, opinions which have nothing, not a thing to do with the orginal post. (The birth of a hijack.) Then they start getting pissed off at one another. (The birth of flames and trolls). THEN hitech/skuzzy/pyro will enter, much like the sandman himself... And lock the thread. Suddenly you have 2,3 or 4 hell even 5 threads which spawned from the original thread that was locked because people in those threads have got BIG problems with what someone said, did, how they played, how they dressed on this one particular day way back when... (much like this thread)
Its not unlike the process of life. It seems like there is more of it now than ever. Well that's probably true, but there's also many more new players than ever before.
Fact is, many of you people take this game way too seriously. Waffle, dont tell me you havent trolled, and poked fun at anyone before... Have you forgoten about the JB88 thread? No one is perfect, nor should they have tobe in someone else's eyes. Take it with a grain of salt. Its the internet. You should not forget that.
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Originally posted by mechanic
seems to me we are agreeing on this point atleast.
We are in agreement in the sense (as Lazs will surely be along to note) that those who are humor-deprived or don't get the joke will believe what they want to believe. Obviously some will get the joke, and the rest will think what they think for whatever reason. There's not much I can do about that, nor would I want to waste the time trying. I can say this with some certainty: the Blue Knights I fly with now are exactly like the Blue Knights I flew with years ago when I first joined the squad. Many of them are one and the same. So have the Blue Knights changed... or has everyone else?
We are, after all, just a bunch of vulching bullies.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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nope. the fact is the joke is on going. and ongoing jokes soon become boring and tedious to those not involved.
remember...i see the joke, and it doesnt bother me i am used to it but alot of others wont even see it as you say, or wont want to put up with it when it is 100% of the time.
this is just for understanding the bigger picture. I feel pretty neutral towards it.
maybe its the joke that has increased in volume, not the squad its self??
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
A couple of points, Batfink. First, people quickly forget that Lazs has been around for years representing the best public interests of the BKs. At one point years ago HTC requested that he stop posting in the general forum because he pissed off so many people and generated so much hostility. Now, I think Lazs would punch me in the kidney if I suggested he was a gentleman, so I'll just pretend you didn't say that for your own sake.
Second, the BKs don't take the game seriously. We have fun with it. The self-admiring or apparent self-admiring is a joke. It's hyperbole and sarcasm. Does anyone honestly think I go around declaring that I am King of the Pwn? It's a joke exactly because that's not me. Maybe others don't get the joke, but we do, and that's what counts. My advice is for folks to lighten up.
-- Todd/Leviathn
BINGO!
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Originally posted by mechanic
nope. the fact is the joke is on going. and ongoing jokes soon become boring and tedious to those not involved.
remember...i see the joke, and it doesnt bother me i am used to it but alot of others wont even see it as you say, or wont want to put up with it when it is 100% of the time.
this is just for understanding the bigger picture. I feel pretty neutral towards it.
maybe its the joke that has increased in volume, not the squad its self??
who the hell are you saposed to be? Geraldo?
Waffle has taken the roll of community saint. Or tried to.
I'll be the ******* who doesnt give a ****.
But you... Your role isnt quite clear to me as of yet.
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you used to be a squad of highly skilled gentlemen. It just seems to most that you expanded into a squad of highly skilled over self admiring gamers.
It's all tongue-n-cheek Bat. The BKs' are probably the most loosey-goosey squad in all of AH (outside of the 13th TAS). We are here to have fun, fight, and fight some more.
We take great pleasure in parody and scarcasm to poke the eyes of those who take this virtual pleasure we call Aces High way over the edge. I guess some can't see the forest thru the trees ... oh well.
Without some sarcastic balance ... this place would meltdown.
Glad to see you back around here again Bat ... haven't run into you in the sky yet, but look forward to it.
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so we are argueing about argueing? :huh
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I am no one morpheus, im am a faceless intardnet type font.
which gives me the right to play jesus christ or adolf hitler depending on my mood.
i think given this great power its a huge show of my character that i choose to play jesus :D
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Originally posted by mechanic
I am no one morpheus, im am a faceless intardnet type font.
which gives me the right to play jesus christ or adolf hitler depending on my mood.
i think given this great power its a huge show of my character that i choose to play jesus :D
you should have went with geraldo, he was a badarse! He founded cops and went to war and did just about everything.
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Originally posted by megadud
so we are argueing about argueing? :huh
Shut up. Who asked you anyway?
:furious
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by megadud
you should have went with geraldo, he was a badarse! He founded cops and went to war and did just about everything.
What would Geraldo do if he was here right now
He'd make a plan and he'd follow through, that's what Geraldo'd do
Geraldo...Talk... Geraldo.....FIGHT
When Geraldo was in the olympics, skatin' for the gold
He did two sowchows and a triple lutz while wearing a blindfold
When Geraldo was in the alps, fighting grizzly bears
He used his magical fire breath and saved the maidens fair
So what would Geraldo do if were here today
I'm sure he'd kick an arse or two, that's what Geraldo'd do
Geraldo...Talk... Geraldo.....FIGHT
When Geraldo traveled through time to the year 3010
He fought the evil robot king and saved the human race again
And when Geraldo built the pyramids, he beat up Kubla Kahn
'Cause Geraldo doesn't take **** from anybody
NO WATCH OUT GERALDO THOSE CHICKEN WINGS ARE REAALLY SPICY, dont eat those...
IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wingsIVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
Cause thats what Geraldo'd do
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Originally posted by SlapShot
you used to be a squad of highly skilled gentlemen. It just seems to most that you expanded into a squad of highly skilled over self admiring gamers.
It's all tongue-n-cheek Bat. The BKs' are probably the most loosey-goosey squad in all of AH (outside of the 13th TAS). We are here to have fun, fight, and fight some more.
We take great pleasure in parody and scarcasm to poke the eyes of those who take this virtual pleasure we call Aces High way over the edge. I guess some can't see the forest thru the trees ... oh well.
Without some sarcastic balance ... this place would meltdown.
Glad to see you back around here again Bat ... haven't run into you in the sky yet, but look forward to it.
S! slapshot, been a longitime since we shot at each other indeed.
its not that I dont get the parodoxical statee in which the BK live, but you have to remember that theres a comunity of thousands who are just seeing a load of guys that never let them enjoy their game.
when a few guys who have only been here a while gang on say, morpheus(more than capable of killing up to 4 on 1 at least), and he gets one but the other two shred him say, hows about they enjoyed it and fought hard and only just logged in and then get some spouting on ch200 or PM telling them they should learn to fly, they suck, gangers, hoers whatever......long sentence i realise. (morpheus this is an example not an accusation). Then these players are not going to think much of morpheus, and certainly not note that he was infact flying very well in unfair circumstances.
If this behaviour is the only output a player gives back to the community then he/she is infact nothing but a disruption to the majority and unlikely tp benifit anyone but themselves..
once again this is the voice of reason, and not something that gets to me personaly to much extent.
the joke you speak of is now a squad touching max-out, so the ripple is getting wider.
this all started when Levi seemed taken aback by animosity to the BK remember.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What would Geraldo do if he was here right now
He'd make a plan and he'd follow through, that's what Geraldo'd do
Geraldo...Talk... Geraldo.....FIGHT
When Geraldo was in the olympics, skatin' for the gold
He did two sowchows and a triple lutz while wearing a blindfold
When Geraldo was in the alps, fighting grizzly bears
He used his magical fire breath and saved the maidens fair
So what would Geraldo do if were here today
I'm sure he'd kick an arse or two, that's what Geraldo'd do
Geraldo...Talk... Geraldo.....FIGHT
When Geraldo traveled through time to the year 3010
He fought the evil robot king and saved the human race again
And when Geraldo built the pyramids, he beat up Kubla Kahn
'Cause Geraldo doesn't take **** from anybody
NO WATCH OUT GERALDO THOSE CHICKEN WINGS ARE REAALLY SPICY, dont eat those...
IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
IVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wingsIVE never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
Cause thats what Geraldo'd do
:rofl :rofl :lol :lol :rofl :rofl
1 of teh best song edits eva! :aok
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
wow - I need to go to the track today and place some wagers....I'll hit the daily double for sure...
Figured within 5 post someone would post with something trivial and non-productive..even in elite speak...
Nailed that right on the head.
(http://www.dangreve.com/gif/kookoo.gif)
Waffle, that was sarcasm. The fact that you thought I was serious if the funniest part of this thread. I doubt there is anyone in this game that takes it less seriously than I do, and if there are there arent many.
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Originally posted by mechanic
this all started when Levi seemed taken aback by animosity to the BK remember.
Taken aback? I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. But it is good to see that you, too, have come to enjoy hyperbole as humor.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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when a few guys who have only been here a while gang on say, morpheus(more than capable of killing up to 4 on 1 at least), and he gets one but the other two shred him say, hows about they enjoyed it and fought hard and only just logged in and then get some spouting on ch200 or PM telling them they should learn to fly, they suck, gangers, hoers whatever......long sentence i realise. (morpheus this is an example not an accusation). Then these players are not going to think much of morpheus, and certainly not note that he was infact flying very well in unfair circumstances.
That fits at least 95% of all AH pilots and squads that I have encounted over the past 4+ years ... BKs' don't own the patent on that.
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I cant speak for the Bks, but I will say that as good as Levi is in here, hes quite humble. Ive seen worse guys with huge egos.
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don't be fooled into believing i have learned anything about humour or wit since joining these boards. the only thing i have truly learned from these boards is that some people are just unreachable and unsalvagable.
you may see this as a joke, the whole board and player base, its just a game right? true.
strangely though, i still see this as an excahnge of human cultures and values from around the world. I'm rather a deep person and thinking takes up alot of my time. the mysteries of time are all but broken and forgoten in our finance and power currupt world and so i realise that your way of looking at things will be better for you in the long run.
so i dont know why i feel about things the way i do.
funny to see an easier way of thinking but not feel compelled to think it.
edit: right any how i was just seeine if i could answer to why Levi seemed vexed. obviously i was wrong, im sorry for coming to the wrong conclusions.
no one here needs to speak for leviathn to me, i have nothing against him or any one remember. i also having nothing but the utmost respect for his character and, to be honest, fear of his flying so dont worry there.
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Originally posted by mechanic
don't be fooled into believing i have learned anything about humour or wit since joining these boards. the only thing i have truly learned from these boards is that some people are just unreachable and unsalvagable.
you may see this as a joke, the whole board and player base, its just a game right? true.
strangely though, i still see this as an excahnge of human cultures and values from around the world. I'm rather a deep person and thinking takes up alot of my time. the mysteries of time are all but broken and forgoten in our finance and power currupt world and so i realise that your way of looking at things will be better for you in the long run.
so i dont know why i feel about things the way i do.
funny to see an easier way of thinking but not feel compelled to think it.
damn...that is deep. :eek:
me..i'm shallow, i run the kiddie pool. I don't think anything should be that serious, especially internet BBS. This game is teh roxxor but i will not be serious here so take nothing i say seriously. I HATE you<-wasn't serious.
You da man batfink now that i know some people are "serious" i will respond differently to certian posts sometimes...sometimes :p <-wtf is up with this? :D
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The first two years I played this game I never even considerd posting on this BB because it was such a brutal place, in my eyes anyway.
I dont think its changed all that much.
Some of the recent "I didnt HO you" posts can IMO have a positive effect. For years people in the MA lash out for whatever reason. They often "Attack" other players. This type of behavior can make the MA a no fun kinda place. Now there is recourse. They might find that thier meltdown has been thrust into the public eye. It, in some cases may actually promote some accountability (sp??). People may think twice about spewing forth sewege tward another player if they fear public ridacule(sp? again) for thier perspective actions.
Then again mabye I sniffed to much glue today and Im nuts :lol
Dave
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I think bat is the one that should back away from the glue. :p
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most likely
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or get some ass.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
The foolish debate about furballing vs base captures…has to be one of the worst culprits of causing the normally sane, intelligent, well-spoken people of the Aces High COMMUNITY to lose all their facilities and drone on and one about “play my way…)”
I think the issue is pretty clearly defined now that we have a FighterTown in the MA.
There can be absolutely no doubt that players in FT do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay model of the MA. Players in the FT area are no factor in winning the war. Further, you don't see players in FT posting the non-stop "join my mission" stuff.
OTOH, it seems that the idea of players just "mindlessly furballing" in the FT is anathema to some of the base capture crowd.
It's been pointed out several times that the map can be reset and the war "won" without any bases in FT changing hands.
So why can't the Capture/Reset crowd focus on that aspect of MA gameplay and leave FT out of it?
I'm a furballer; cheerfully admit it. I think this map is the best thing to happen to AH gameplay in (at the minimum) last two years.
The Capture/Reset crowd has a huge 512x512 map to wage their war upon, to enjoy their particular version of gameplay. If they leave FT alone, they do not affect the Furball gameplay in any fashion.
The Furball crowd has a tiny area on that map in which to enjoy their favorite sport. They do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay in any fashion.
By definition, the Furball crowd, confined to a tiny, nearly inaccessible area on the map cannot "grief" the Capture/Reset players.
The converse is not true. The Capture/Reset crowd can and does "grief" the Furball players.
All that is required is for the Capture/Reset players to have some respect for people that choose to furball. That is the crux of the issue.
As for finiding 1v1's, that is precisely what the DA is for. The FT area is for taking any fight that comes your way. Odds don't matter. Plane types don't matter. Only the FIGHT matters. Obviously it's not for everyone. I personally find it the most exciting AH gameplay available. I generally favor the F4F; landing two kills in it after combat in that situation is much more satisfactory than landing 10 kills in a late war plane in the MA or in FT itself.
I go for the challenge. I get shot down a lot. But if you want to improve SA, improve your lead turns, your gunnery, your tactics.... it's the place to go because the action is non-stop.
Sure, there are the players that stay up high using some high performance plane as their crutch and just cherry pick the low fights. There are some elements of the MA, some personality types that will always be with us.
But if you're willing to hang it all out... there's nothing close.
I love it.
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Originally posted by Toad
I think the issue is pretty clearly defined now that we have a FighterTown in the MA.
There can be absolutely no doubt that players in FT do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay model of the MA. Players in the FT area are no factor in winning the war. Further, you don't see players in FT posting the non-stop "join my mission" stuff.
OTOH, it seems that the idea of players just "mindlessly furballing" in the FT is anathema to some of the base capture crowd.
It's been pointed out several times that the map can be reset and the war "won" without any bases in FT changing hands.
So why can't the Capture/Reset crowd focus on that aspect of MA gameplay and leave FT out of it?
I'm a furballer; cheerfully admit it. I think this map is the best thing to happen to AH gameplay in (at the minimum) last two years.
The Capture/Reset crowd has a huge 512x512 map to wage their war upon, to enjoy their particular version of gameplay. If they leave FT alone, they do not affect the Furball gameplay in any fashion.
The Furball crowd has a tiny area on that map in which to enjoy their favorite sport. They do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay in any fashion.
By definition, the Furball crowd, confined to a tiny, nearly inaccessible area on the map cannot "grief" the Capture/Reset players.
The converse is not true. The Capture/Reset crowd can and does "grief" the Furball players.
All that is required is for the Capture/Reset players to have some respect for people that choose to furball. That is the crux of the issue.
As for finiding 1v1's, that is precisely what the DA is for. The FT area is for taking any fight that comes your way. Odds don't matter. Plane types don't matter. Only the FIGHT matters. Obviously it's not for everyone. I personally find it the most exciting AH gameplay available. I generally favor the F4F; landing two kills in it after combat in that situation is much more satisfactory than landing 10 kills in a late war plane in the MA or in FT itself.
I go for the challenge. I get shot down a lot. But if you want to improve SA, improve your lead turns, your gunnery, your tactics.... it's the place to go because the action is non-stop.
Sure, there are the players that stay up high using some high performance plane as their crutch and just cherry pick the low fights. There are some elements of the MA, some personality types that will always be with us.
But if you're willing to hang it all out... there's nothing close.
I love it.
Did you intend this to be an example of thread hijacking?
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Ok this is going to sound bad but here goes.
This game is more of a mmorpg than people tink. I am willing to bet 90% of the people who play and post would't be so abbrasive if not for the anonimity . Think about it you log in and you instantly become a ww2 pilot. Now i'm not sure but i think it has been said that the best fighter pilots tend to be agresive and very self confidant. That being said add in almost total anonimity [sp there is that word again:D ] and thise traits get boosted 10x.
I'm not sure but i think shane once wrote "Shane only exists in AH".
Now as far as the BKs go .
1 I've asked Levi for help with contacting someone and got a fast cortious reply .
2 I ran into dud briefly in the da for all of 10 min. I asked for a quick duel he beat me in about 5 or 6 turns. I got a salute and "nice fight" from him.
None of this so called you suck learn to fly crap i keep reading about.
Now i have only run into the BK 2 times but if this is condesending send more please. I am looking forward to running into the rest of them.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
I'm not sure but i think shane once wrote "Shane only exists in AH".
Now as far as the BKs go .
1 I've asked Levi for help with contacting someone and got a fast cortious reply .
2 I ran into dud briefly in the da for all of 10 min. I asked for a quick duel he beat me in about 5 or 6 turns. I got a salute and "nice fight" from him.
None of this so called you suck learn to fly crap i keep reading about.
Now i have only run into the BK 2 times but if this is condesending send more please. I am looking forward to running into the rest of them.
Bronk
That's right... i'm so quotable. ;)
for the real eye-opener... you have to make distinctions bewteen the various arenas and forums. In the DA i'm nothing like I am in say the MA or CT. On the forums I can be a mixed bag, but in general pretty low-key.
That's the problem with many, they fail to make distinctions between how someone is in a very competitive game and how someone may be in a forum where the written word cannot convey tones as well as in person, the the actual in-person poepl behind their "online personae."
It's a game. A very competitive game vs (supposedly) other poepl. In any game in the world you will find various types of players who don various game faces, some humble, some loud and brash and some merely content to sit on the bench quietly.
Personally, once i hit the quit keys everyone in game ceases to exist to a large extent, except for the carryover to the forums; I treat the forums as a distinct, seperate entity from the in game play with the occasional spillover.
Many people in game as well as on the forums need to butch up a little is all. No one ever forces a response from someone on either ch200/2/whatever, or in any of the forums. Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
or get some ass.
are you kidding?
only just ended a 3 year relationship the last thingi need is ass. spending quality time with yourself should never be underestimated :D
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Originally posted by pellik
Did you intend this to be an example of thread hijacking?
No, and it isn't.
It addresses Waffle's first post, the part about "foolish debate about furballing vs base captures". The debate is really about griefers.
Secondly, it addresses Waffle's first post concerning finding 1v1 fights in FT. That't not what a furball is; it's not why FT was created. The DA is for 1v1 as the name implies.
Now, did you intend your statement about hijacks to hijack this thread?
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Lol Grits -
I knew it was sarcasm.
But...it was a pointless post.
Just like every one of Megaduds post in this thread. Absolutely nothing significant to add, other than it's similarity to a dog pissing on something to try to mark territory...
Someone will be along along shortly to piss right over it and that will soon be pissed upon as well...
BTW - why in the hell are you guys turning this into a thread about a squad? Least it's starting to turn around.... I think...........
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Interesting question Waffle. Shame you edited out the reason.
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Would we all be so boisterous face to face? Way to pot-shot and hide y'all.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Interesting question Waffle. Shame you edited out the reason.
?:huh
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How did I know this would turn into yet another Blue Knights bash thread? If you're not part of the solution, Waffle, you're part of the problem
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
yeah - your right... should've kept that to myself and just snickered....but it wasn't a BK bash / rant....
I think you're wanting it to be.
Btw I edited my post.
Sokay. If you still dont know. There is always internet chache to dig up and show you what you wrote before you edited. :aok
But yea, your mouth basicly started it, turned it into something about the BK's. Then fueled further by the EruoFreak
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What Toad wrote is pure brillance and I would find it hard to believe that anyone who reads that post could not comprehend what he wrote and see the truth behind it ...
BUT ...
there will be those that will look at that post and see ...
"blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"
Toad there is a faction of the player base that looks upon us furballers as a "waste" of resources that could be better used to further the "WIN THE WAR" effort. Those are the one that will see ... "blah blah blah" ... and those are the one that will continue to "grief".
These griefer, as countrymen, will be the ones that go and level the enemies FHs/CVs so that the furball will die, and at that point they think that we will now join their effort, because there is nothing left to do.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Lol Grits -
I knew it was sarcasm.
But...it was a pointless post.
Just like every one of Megaduds post in this thread. Absolutely nothing significant to add, other than it's similarity to a dog pissing on something to try to mark territory...
Someone will be along along shortly to piss right over it and that will soon be pissed upon as well...
BTW - why in the hell are you guys turning this into a thread about a squad? Least it's starting to turn around.... I think...........
i love you too waffle :) :aok
PS Sorry I hijacked your thread :( :cry
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Toad there is a faction of the player base that looks upon us furballers as a "waste" of resources that could be better used to further the "WIN THE WAR" effort. Those are the one that will see ... "blah blah blah" ... and those are the one that will continue to "grief".
These griefer, as countrymen, will be the ones that go and level the enemies FHs/CVs so that the furball will die, and at that point they think that we will now join their effort, because there is nothing left to do.
I agree totally (toadaly?) Slap.
From their point of view, we are a "waste of resources". But there's another thing that has also been pointed out many times. The $15/month resource I am wasting is mine not theirs.
My play in FT does not affect their use of their own resources. They can still do exactly what they like to do in AH. I do not "waste" their $15/month resource.
OTOH, if they grief FT it prevents me from doing what I like to do in AH. They "waste" my $15/month resource.
When they grief FT, or on the other less interesting maps, the FH's or CV's I still have a choice. I can choose to join them in the Hampster Wheel War or I can choose to log.
While I find furballing very interesting and great fun, it's not the only thing I find very interesting and great fun. So, when they kill the fights... I log. There's always another virtual day.
It is a shame though that griefing FT is so easy.
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Originally posted by megadud
i love you too waffle :) :aok
PS Sorry I hijacked your thread :( :cry
lol you didnt hijack it Mega. Waffle himself did! lmao:O
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you call me Eurofreak morpheus........we were here b4 your country existed.
one day your silly little world will come crashing down around you and I'm glad not many will be there to pick up the pieces for you.
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one day your silly little world will come crashing down around you and I'm glad not many will be there to pick up the pieces for you.
When that happens ... there won't be anybody left to pick up pieces ... and we will have been long gone by then ... and this silly little BBS debate forum will have long since perished too.
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Originally posted by ThunderEGG
Would we all be so boisterous face to face? Way to pot-shot and hide y'all.
I'm as big an A - hole in real life as I am on the Intardnet.... and I have the arrest record to prove it.
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Originally posted by Grits
See Rule #4, #16
Hmm Grits speaks a different language?:O
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
Oh... I dunno.... I'm 47 years old and I think it's pretty funny.
Yer just a kid...what do you know?;)
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Originally posted by Toad
I think the issue is pretty clearly defined now that we have a FighterTown in the MA.
There can be absolutely no doubt that players in FT do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay model of the MA. Players in the FT area are no factor in winning the war. Further, you don't see players in FT posting the non-stop "join my mission" stuff.
OTOH, it seems that the idea of players just "mindlessly furballing" in the FT is anathema to some of the base capture crowd.
It's been pointed out several times that the map can be reset and the war "won" without any bases in FT changing hands.
So why can't the Capture/Reset crowd focus on that aspect of MA gameplay and leave FT out of it?
I'm a furballer; cheerfully admit it. I think this map is the best thing to happen to AH gameplay in (at the minimum) last two years.
The Capture/Reset crowd has a huge 512x512 map to wage their war upon, to enjoy their particular version of gameplay. If they leave FT alone, they do not affect the Furball gameplay in any fashion.
The Furball crowd has a tiny area on that map in which to enjoy their favorite sport. They do not affect the Capture/Reset gameplay in any fashion.
By definition, the Furball crowd, confined to a tiny, nearly inaccessible area on the map cannot "grief" the Capture/Reset players.
The converse is not true. The Capture/Reset crowd can and does "grief" the Furball players.
All that is required is for the Capture/Reset players to have some respect for people that choose to furball. That is the crux of the issue.
As for finiding 1v1's, that is precisely what the DA is for. The FT area is for taking any fight that comes your way. Odds don't matter. Plane types don't matter. Only the FIGHT matters. Obviously it's not for everyone. I personally find it the most exciting AH gameplay available. I generally favor the F4F; landing two kills in it after combat in that situation is much more satisfactory than landing 10 kills in a late war plane in the MA or in FT itself.
I go for the challenge. I get shot down a lot. But if you want to improve SA, improve your lead turns, your gunnery, your tactics.... it's the place to go because the action is non-stop.
Sure, there are the players that stay up high using some high performance plane as their crutch and just cherry pick the low fights. There are some elements of the MA, some personality types that will always be with us.
But if you're willing to hang it all out... there's nothing close.
I love it.
Toad, well said! It's a big quote but if some people read it you just might get a clue.... might.
PS... And the word for the day is: anathema
a·nath·e·ma
n. pl. a·nath·e·mas
1. A formal ecclesiastical ban, curse, or excommunication.
2. A vehement denunciation; a curse: “the sound of a witch's anathemas in some unknown tongue” (Nathaniel Hawthorne).
3. One that is cursed or damned.
4. One that is greatly reviled, loathed, or shunned: “Essentialisma belief in natural, immutable sex differencesis anathema to postmodernists, for whom sexuality itself, along with gender, is a ‘social construct’” (Wendy Kaminer).
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Originally posted by mechanic
you call me Eurofreak morpheus........we were here b4 your country existed.
ROFL, yeah maybe so. But we sure kicked the hell out of you.:lol
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Originally posted by mechanic
you call me Eurofreak morpheus........we were here b4 your country existed.
one day your silly little world will come crashing down around you and I'm glad not many will be there to pick up the pieces for you.
ummm actually BF when the first euros arrived here the socio-economic system consisted of the men hunting, fishing, fighting and procreating while the momen did all the heavy work. somehow you guys figured you could improve on that system. :D
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As for finiding 1v1's, that is precisely what the DA is for. The FT area is for taking any fight that comes your way. Odds don't matter.Plane types don't matter Only the FIGHT matters.
Sure, there are the players that stay up high using some high performance plane as their crutch and just cherry pick the low fights. There are some elements of the MA, some personality types that will always be with us.
:confused:
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The chess-piece loyalty, and single-track focus on winning the war, and proving one's morals or personal integrity, as well as defending one's honor, and that of their squaddies/countrymen is killing the game.
The more you try to make this game just like real life, the less enjoyable it will be. The more seriously you take it, the less enjoyable it becomes for others, as you slowly melt down. When you take a game personally, it's time for you to get some professional help.
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You get back from the game what you put into it, whether it be the ability of your 'flying' based on the time spent learning or the online reputation you gain by how you present yourself in the arenas or on the boards here.
It's about as simple as that.
How much that matters to you is also up to you.
When push comes to shove, most folks can also recognize that someone's online persona isn't always representative of them as real people.
In the end, I think the majority of people here are good quality people.
I have witnessed in the past six weeks the very best of what the Aces High community has to offer since the loss of two of my kids. Between folks here and my old Airwarrior friends, I've found a far larger support system then I ever realized I had.
That in itself speaks highly of the people here. I think it a mistake to make sweeping statements about the decline of the game or the people. It is, what it is, and again it reflects what we each put into it.
As with any activity, the new kids will reflect the old timers, so it still comes down to each of us deciding how we act and what we'll contribute to what in the end is still just a game.
I can't control anyone elses actions, but I sure can control mine, so I have to start there and hope that others might do the same.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I cant speak for the Bks, but I will say that as good as Levi is in here, hes quite humble. Ive seen worse guys with huge egos.
Absolutely , Levi is the first one to shoot back a . I know first hand that slappy , mars and morph are good guys . I think most people just dont have a sense of humor about this crap and take this game way too seriously. some of the time the BK's get backed into a corner by people and have to respond , and i also think that some of the things that are ment as fun get blown outta perportion . But then again there's hub.... lol BK's ...... 38MAW
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Cheers Waff
. I agree. btw, hope to make it back into the air for a bit in a couple weeks.
all, Hap
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Well put waffle.
Although I did take a Hurri MK1 into FT and managed to get 2 kills but I had to call in the rest of the squad to clear my butt so I could land those 2 kills. but thats kinda sad when you have to have the back up of the BOPs just to go land some kills.
I think this is kind of the point we try to drive. Ask yourself this: What is so important about landing those kills? You want the total perk value, to see your name in lights, gratification from your enemies from the scalps you collected?
The way we fly is we kill the red guys. If you see more than one of us in the same place, it isn't because we need all of us to kill you, its because ALL of us want to kill you and we find it fun to steal kills from one another. Sometimes we wing up and assistance is given when it is realized that it is needed, but I don't think I've ever heard a call for help on squad channel.
I think the reason is because we've realized that dying really doesn't mean anything in this game, and if you are unlucky enough to get "pwned" you just take off again and seek revenge. :aok
Try this sometime, if you see the opportunity, it may just change the way you see the game. :O
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See Rule #5, #4
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See Rule #4
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Whoa, calm down already, BKs. I don't want this getting more out of hand than it already is.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Whoa, calm down already, BKs. I don't want this getting more out of hand than it already is.
-- Todd/Leviathn
:huh
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Are you kidding me? WTF Todd?
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Go to the squad forum. Messages waiting there.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The chess-piece loyalty, and single-track focus on winning the war, and proving one's morals or personal integrity, as well as defending one's honor, and that of their squaddies/countrymen is killing the game.
The more you try to make this game just like real life, the less enjoyable it will be. The more seriously you take it, the less enjoyable it becomes for others, as you slowly melt down. When you take a game personally, it's time for you to get some professional help.
Ya and Hub has the therapist bills to prove it:p
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Originally posted by Furball
See Rule #4
i was joking with morph!! no intent to flame! he is a squaddie and sadistic, he likes it when i say stuff like that!
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AND im on probation now! lol wth?!
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This thread appears to be pretty much done.