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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: yuto on October 12, 2005, 01:12:28 PM
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Call me impatient, but I'm always trying to figure out the best way to bleed energy as fast as possible during my decent to landing. I'll usually dive in to the traffic pattern at full speed until I'm about 1 runway length from the airport, at which point I'll slam down whatever flaps the plane will let me and then kick it into a hard left stall-spin. It works fine most of the time, except when I get too ambitious in a 190 or something and pancake the thing near the touchdown point. The hard part is gaging your altitude so that when you recover, you're not too high that your speed will start picking up again, but not too low that people laugh at you at the end result.
Anyone else have their own unorthodox techniques that they'd like to share? :D
Btw, a good friend of mine knew someone at his flight school that frequently did that in his Cessna 152. He eventually got busted by the FAA or something:lol
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LOL great story :lol
I've heard stories of people never using their gear because they'll stop faster!
I usually try to make the best landing as possible though, about 150 mph approuch speed, flaps fully deployed, gear down (!!) and a 3-point touch-down
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I sometimes come in hot, and cross-controls, then flare out at th last second over teh rw. This seems to have the tendency to dump alt quickly while also slowing forward speed. Just be sure there's enough air under you (100 feet, or so) when you un-cross your controls or you could mush into th ground.
edit: I also dump flaps asap when I do this. This really helps slow my forward momentum, while the ground rushes up dizzyingly fast.
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I like coming in on an actual landing depending on the mission. I'll RTB to a field that is a field or so from the front and line up on the runway at about %25 throttle at 1k and slowly descend, dropping the throttle, lowering flaps, and settling in.
If I need to re-up quick I kill the engine, lower the gear and flaps at any speed and skid the runway.
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Roll 90 degrees, put your nose just above the horizon, keep the wings loaded 1 or 2 Gs.
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descend afap pulling level with runway, chop throttle or turn off engine, and pull a 360 degree flat turn.
or sumpthin like that
hap
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you mention the 190 flopping over on you...
learn to ride that edge, come in steep, about 3k kick full rudder, and pull out of dive. when right above touch down point you should still be too fast, so do a hard left bank turn, using rudder to slow and stop flopping over.
you should be just the right speed when you complete the circle and are lined up on the runway.
rudder skid done right i can make a 163 slow down even in a dive
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What's this "landing" thing? :huh
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Originally posted by DipStick
What's this "landing" thing? :huh
I was wondering the same thing? Why land when a good auger will do :)
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I have 2 favorites, if the strips hot at all, I'll level to come in & buzz the runway full speed. As I cross the far end of the runway I kill power, pull hard up into a hammerhead. Pop full flaps & gear at the top. Nose down, align with runway, aim for about halfway down, and grease it in hard & fast.
To drop speed/alt fast I love doing falling leaf moves.
Cross controls, nose up till she's below 150, full flaps, & gear, then adjust dive angle to hold speed while sideslipping, cross controlling, and rudder kicking.
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My fav is diving right at runway full speed with the airframe moaning like a HO'd BK.
At the threshold of the runway i pull the hardest loop to inverted the plane will do while keeping its wings attached.
At the top of the loop i lvl still inverted and deploy gear and full flaps.
Next dive inverted to a foward slip to bleed any remaining E to a nice 3 point landing. Unless i am in a spit, then i slide around a little.
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A while ago I would put a B17 in a nearly flat spin. It was a great way to bleed altitude without unnecessary G loadings and accumulating energy.
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Interesting strategies indeed. . .thanks for your replies folks.
Something else that I've always wondered: how are the brakes modeled in AH? In real life, pilots who come in to do a really short field landing (like Piper cubs) will typically kill (raise) their flaps right after they touch down so they can maximize their weight on the wheels. That way, they can get more braking action without skidding. Now, at some higher speed, it might be more desirable to keep your flaps down to maximize aerodynamic drag. I'm not sure which effect is more dominating, but you're right. . .none of this would matter if I just opt for a gear-up landing.
As for what 'landing' means, Webster defines it as follows
verb
1. a level part of a staircase
2. a willfully decadent maneuver made with the intent to boast one's bounty to the open public or to bolster one's personal statistics
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Hog landing gear is rated to 404 mph. The way that beast ground loops the gear is more valuable as an air brake than for landing.
eskimo
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I dive full speed to the airbase untill about 2-3 lengths away. Then I do 2 or 3 cross-controlled, high-g, barrel rolls. I drop gear and flaps ASAP to assist in slowing down. If I'm in fear for my life I'll land wheels up to shorten the roll-out.
g00b
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"My fav is diving right at runway full speed with the airframe moaning like a HO'd BK"
:lol
if its not more than 5 miles i will forgo the usual auger and make the boring trip home to land gear up screeching trying to see how many parts its possible to lose :)
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I almost always come in fast over the end of the runway and then do a high G 360 degree flat turn. I live near a military air base and virtually every jet I see land does the same thing- except not quit as high G. I think it might be standard procedure- it gets you within the "safety" of the field ack without being an easy to bounce low and slow target. I do it every time just in case there are enemy in the area I didn't see. I also occasionaly do the hard side slip thing but that just looks so ugly and I can't imagine anyone doing that often in real life. Seems like you could depart controlled flight near the ground too easily.
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I like to come screaming in, angle off a bit , pull a tunnel vision semi-high yo-yo with the power off into a 180 flat turn (popping undercarriage as speed falls off), stomp on the right foot coming out of it into a couple of snap rolls for height 'n speed adjustment and grease her in with crossed controls ...... suprised the hell out of the wife the first time.
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Sounds decent and stylisch darkish, better than the flat 360 i usually pull. can you post a film?
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<<<---- like darkish
come in at max speed. usually im rtb on the deck anyhow, at the end of the runway pull the hardest high yo-yo possible and deploy flaps/gear at the crest of the manouver. now, from a hieght of around 800ft i side-slip down and flare off for a smooth 3 pont landing.
The whole point of Aces High for me in essence is pretending to be a WW2 fighter pilot, and they had to land to get out of thier planes, therefore so do I.
I wont rtb if i have no kills, but even with 3 or 4 i love the feeling of shooting off over the tree tops with my wingman to land a few kills each.
thats not dweebish, dont want my name in lights etc, etc, i just love the feeling of a job well done.
i very rarely go home to land large numbers of easy kills in a furball or a vulch-fest tho.
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heres a typical landing for me in AH coming in on the deck from a fight, except here i have all my plane parts still attatched. not the best of landings but does the job.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/film254.ahf
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Originally posted by 715
I also occasionaly do the hard side slip thing but that just looks so ugly and I can't imagine anyone doing that often in real life. Seems like you could depart controlled flight near the ground too easily.
Sideslip good for loosing altitude without gaining much airspeed. Is also applied for crosswind landings which we don't have to worry about because there is no weather.
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I pretty much go straight down, then do some imaginary Scissors exercises.
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HEres what a feller wants to do, divin from 20-25 k, point nose straight down for at least 1 full minute, keeping always on the alert and observing for any vulchers. when your speed gets near 650, gently pull up,...at this point 1 of 2 things will happin, #1 nothing, #2your eyes will get very large, and last of all, you are safely on the ground where humans are ment to be. thats the peep landing sequence, enjoy. (you might wanna check how many times i have landed, b4, using this profected teqnique. your bud the peep.:aok