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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on October 12, 2005, 05:35:46 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051012/ap_on_re_us/stolen_airplane
lmao, what a flipping moron.
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LOL!
My granpa told me once, "kid if yer gonna steal a car, don't screw yourself. Boost a Caddy or a Rolls. Jail times the same as it would be if yah stole a Studebaker."
Doofus kid... hope the flight was worth the ride up to sing-sing.
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I wonder where he learned to fly it.
Here are the alleged thief's ratings.
CertIficate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Rating(s):
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
Type Ratings
C/IA-JET
Limits
THIS CERTIFICATE IS SUBJECT TO PILOT-IN-COMMAND LIMITATION FOR IA-JET.
I'd love to hear more about the circumstances behind the flight.
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I wonder which of our tards it is?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I wonder which of our tards it is?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I havnt seen Jet in a few days.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I wonder where he learned to fly it.
Here are the alleged thief's ratings.
CertIficate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Rating(s):
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
Type Ratings
C/IA-JET
Limits
THIS CERTIFICATE IS SUBJECT TO PILOT-IN-COMMAND LIMITATION FOR IA-JET.
I'd love to hear more about the circumstances behind the flight.
It probably handles like a 262, just without the guns ;)
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I'm pretty sure it's Straiga
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I see a future for this kid in the Other Government Agency's.
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Ah...the famous OGS. They have served us well.
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Heard about this from my buddy yesterday who's still i FL. He's typed in a Westwind (IA-Jet). I don't know about the Citation VII's but I've helped the MX crews on a Citation III (Still a C-650) and its no chore to start and the airspeeds aren't anything to write home about.
Originally posted by Chairboy
I wonder where he learned to fly it.
Here are the alleged thief's ratings.
CertIficate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Rating(s):
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
Type Ratings
C/IA-JET
Limits
THIS CERTIFICATE IS SUBJECT TO PILOT-IN-COMMAND LIMITATION FOR IA-JET.
I'd love to hear more about the circumstances behind the flight.
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LOL, yall arent gunna believe where ive been for the past week. First i went down to florida to see one of my friends and what do i see at the airport? a Cessna Citation Woooowee i tell u. I thought man!, that thing must handle like a 262, but without tha guns! So i waited till it was real quite and hopped it. i hit this old dude with ma wing while upping off the taxi way. Once i landed in sum town in georgia i beet feet to tha closest bar and told this old pilot everything while he was drunk and gave em a buck to go tell a few cops in the corner. and the rest is history.:aok :p
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By MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/12/05 Gwinnett County police Wednesday arrested a 22-year-old Buford man for allegedly stealing the jet found this week at Briscoe Field after passengers of the secret flight from Florida came forward.
Daniel Andrew Wolcott, 22, was charged with felony theft by receiving and five misdemeanor counts of reckless conduct, according to Gwinnett police spokesman Darren Moloney. A bond of $175,000 has been set for the state charges. Additional federal charges are expected to be filed against Wolcott.
Moloney said that while Wolcott has a commercial-rated pilot's license, he is not licensed to fly the Cessna Citation VII jet. Wolcott "wasn't qualified to fly this plane," Moloney said. "But apparently is a talented and gifted pilot."
The aircraft, which was reported stolen from the St. Augustine, Fla., airport, was found at Gwinnett's Briscoe Field on Monday afternoon by an airport employee.
"Investigators made contact with five individuals who came forward and gave statements of being on the plane when Wolcott flew it," Moloney said.
The passengers were apparently unaware that the plane had been stolen, said Moloney.
"They were just enjoying the ride," he said. None of the passengers were charged.
Moloney said that everything points to the theft being "just a joyride."
Wolcott regularly "hung out" at Briscoe Field and possibly worked part-time jobs there, Moloney said.
Pilot made night landing
Authorities believe the plane landed Sunday night while the airport was closed.
The pilot of a plane likely sent signals over a traffic advisory frequency, which automatically turn on the runway lights when the control tower is unmanned.
"Anybody from a Cessna two-seater pilot to a commercial jet pilot would know what that is," said Gwinnett airport manager Matt Smith Tuesday.
Shortly afterward, a Cessna Citation VII jet touched down at Briscoe. The pilot taxied and parked. Apparently, the pilot and any passengers slipped away from the airfield, leaving behind a stolen $7 million charter jet and a number of questions.
"This is such an odd occurrence, I wouldn't even want to speculate why someone would do this," Smith said.
So, how exactly does a thief make off with a plane?
It's not easy, but it's not impossible, either.
Smaller airports like Briscoe Field and St. Augustine (Fla.) Airport — which the Cessna left late Saturday or early Sunday — are operated differently than large commercial facilities, such as Harts- field-Jackson International.
The Briscoe tower is operational from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. When the tower is closed, though, planes are still allowed to take off and land. Hokey Sloan, who owns the Flying Machine restaurant at Briscoe with his wife, Joy, said that planes often take off and land after hours.
Further, flight plans are not required for all flights. The flight in question did not have a plan, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said. In fact, plans are not submitted for most flights, Bergen said, such as pleasure trips on small planes in clear conditions.
With its identifying transponder off and flying at a relatively low altitude, a plane could have flown from St. Augustine to Lawrenceville without a flight plan and not attracted the attention of air traffic controllers. Michael Slingluff, president of the Aero Sport fixed-base operation in St. Augustine, said the plane's pilots told him they left it unlocked on the main ramp Saturday afternoon. The plane does not need a key to start.
"It is a complex airplane, and someone would have to be an experienced pilot to fly that type of aircraft," Bergen said.
The plane took off and likely flew under 18,000 feet, with the transponder off. Bergen said Tuesday air traffic system data did not reveal any evidence of the flight. It could have been an unidentified blip, but "you would not know who it was," she said.
Gwinnett police say the plane landed between 9 p.m. Saturday and 6:30 a.m. Sunday, roughly the hours the control tower at Briscoe was closed. The jet parked at Piedmont-Hawthorne fixed-base operation, which services planes and arranges accommodations for out-of-town pilots. It closes at 10 p.m. on weekends and opens at 6 a.m. It was Piedmont-Hawthorne employees who found the plane Monday.
Said Smith, "If nobody was at the business, you could park in front of it and walk out to the parking lot [without being spotted]."
Representatives of Pinnacle Air Jet Charter, which owns the plane, were cooperating with police but had no comment Tuesday.
A spokesman for the FBI said he was "concerned" about the incident.
"I would just encourage increased vigilance at the various airports and the companies that have these aircraft to ensure better security," FBI Special Agent Stephen Emmett said. "I don't think it requires any systems changes or anything." -- Staff writers Ken Sugiura and John Ghirardini contributed to this report.
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im just surprised that local app/dep atc didnt pick it up on radar and dispatch the guard to check it out.. whats cruise speed for that ac? prolly above VFR minimums..
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Should be a minor correction for this idiot. He HAD a pilots license. It's toast now.
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Originally posted by moose
im just surprised that local app/dep atc didnt pick it up on radar and dispatch the guard to check it out.. whats cruise speed for that ac? prolly above VFR minimums..
Depends how the radar is displaying and how much crap its filtering out from primary returns - i.e. birds, weather, etc. Its not the hardest thing to do - you can hotwire any plane that has a magneto system with a pair of plyers and a cresent wrench. Bigger they get, the easier they are to start. Anyway you cut it, he'll get a slap.
Youthful exhuberence - 90 day to 1 year suspension with 5 years on your record and then yr clean. The felony charge depends if the owner decides to press charges. Either way, this will be forgotten in a week. Planes get stolen everyday and no one gives a damn - this 1 just happened to be a jet and the kid just happened to get busted.
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Right, except with fuel costs where they are, it'll turn into a felony because of the $$$ involved.
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Jebuz, you'd think the poor guy HO'd someone or something.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Heard about this from my buddy yesterday who's still i FL. He's typed in a Westwind (IA-Jet). I don't know about the Citation VII's but I've helped the MX crews on a Citation III (Still a C-650) and its no chore to start and the airspeeds aren't anything to write home about.
you're a god... just keep saying it....
oh, wait, you're Straiga's son.... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Right, except with fuel costs where they are, it'll turn into a felony because of the $$$ involved.
The damage on the wing sounds more serious, we used to have a 650
based at Morristown that tagged a deer with the leading edge. Cost more
than $70K for a 3 foot section. Ironic that it was owned by Associated
Aviation Underwriters, huh? ;)
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Originally posted by Rino
The damage on the wing sounds more serious, we used to have a 650
based at Morristown that tagged a deer with the leading edge. Cost more
than $70K for a 3 foot section. Ironic that it was owned by Associated
Aviation Underwriters, huh? ;)
IRONIC allright:)
:)
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Originally posted by Bodhi
you're a god... just keep saying it....
oh, wait, you're Straiga's son.... :rolleyes:
And you're an ass. :rolleyes: I never said I flew the P-51 I said give the guy a fair shot (I'd do the same for you but you're too thick headed to realize that)
Do you somehow worship me, or are you somehow jealous of my amazing talent to push a start button and move a power lever a couple inches on a chocked jet that isn't going anywhere? Get over yourself.
Youthful exhuberence - 90 day to 1 year suspension with 5 years on your record and then yr clean.
In one of my aviation law classes I was given a situation where something similar happened. I don't know if I have the paper on my new machine but it was one of the role-playing situations where I'm the FAA inspector what do I do.
Example: brand new owner of a new to him airplane runs out of fuel on short final repositioning home after higher than expected fuel burn. No passengers and nobody on ground hurt. A lot of the class took the pilot's tickets but I went with the attitude that nobody got hurt, he won't be doing it again and he's a safer pilot now than he ever was so I let him keep his tickets and put a letter in his file.
Any rate...I had an airplane theft case that involved a former partner taking an airplane from one airport to another because he was upset with the rest of the partners. I for one don't have any love for a few things...Drugs, Rape and Theft fit the category. This time I took his tickets. I respectfully hope that you're wrong on the slap Wolf, not that he'd be able to get a job anyway if the employer does their homework. I hope the felony sticks.
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Originally posted by Golfer
And you're an ass. :rolleyes: I never said I flew the P-51 I said give the guy a fair shot (I'd do the same for you but you're too thick headed to realize that)
Do you somehow worship me, or are you somehow jealous of my amazing talent to push a start button and move a power lever a couple inches on a chocked jet that isn't going anywhere? Get over yourself.
In one of my aviation law classes I was given a situation where something similar happened. I don't know if I have the paper on my new machine but it was one of the role-playing situations where I'm the FAA inspector what do I do.
Example: brand new owner of a new to him airplane runs out of fuel on short final repositioning home after higher than expected fuel burn. No passengers and nobody on ground hurt. A lot of the class took the pilot's tickets but I went with the attitude that nobody got hurt, he won't be doing it again and he's a safer pilot now than he ever was so I let him keep his tickets and put a letter in his file.
Any rate...I had an airplane theft case that involved a former partner taking an airplane from one airport to another because he was upset with the rest of the partners. I for one don't have any love for a few things...Drugs, Rape and Theft fit the category. This time I took his tickets. I respectfully hope that you're wrong on the slap Wolf, not that he'd be able to get a job anyway if the employer does their homework. I hope the felony sticks.
Aren't you supposed to have at least a 45 minute VFR fuel reserve?
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30 minutes for Day-VFR. 45 for Night VFR and all IFR operations.
I don't remember the exact 'parameters' if you will of the case. It was a 4 hour flight with the airplane holding enough fuel for 5 hours before it runs day (1 hr reserve with full tanks for this flight). It stipulated he was new to the airplane and according to the arbitrary performance numbers I was given it should have made it.
Something like Airplane burns X gallons per hour at this power setting, wx for whole flight is YYYº at ZZ Knots. All told the flight had a time enroute of 4 hours with 5 hours FOB.
I reasoned that because he was new to the airplane and it was his first flight and improper technique was to blame. He ended up on airport property, nobody was hurt and the airplane didn't sustain substantial damage (Gear up landing in grass)
The result was a very expensive lesson. I'd have to find the paper to give more details. It's also noteworthy that nobody else took the time to figure out whether or not he had the fuel on board to even make the flight. They stopped at "he ran out of gas...let me have his tickets" whereas I wanted to find out why he ran out of gas. Improper leaning such as burning 22 gallons per hour instead of 16 would do the trick.
At the time I was quite interested in the NTSB and investigative services so I had a LOT of fun with the projects like these.
Disclaimer The whole situation was fictional, however I'm sure it's happened but I don't know what happened in those cases
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It's a good thing he is just an idiot. He could have been a misguided religious zealot.
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