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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FiLtH on October 12, 2005, 10:10:17 PM
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Inning was over
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****ing ***** bellybutton dumb**** umpires need to learn to watch the ****ing big screen.
4 letter word can't decibe those ***** bellybutton umpires.:mad:
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Ya know... Baseball has had ample opportunity to use technology to improve the officiating and to take the umpires out of the game.
... but the umpires won't have any of it.
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Not every can afford AH2 Sandy, thus they need something else to do.
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Did anyone else notice on the slo-mo closeup replay that FOX showed, it did, in fact, bounce? I thought it was caught until they showed that one. Weird that they didn't show it again, and the announcers did not acknowledge that.
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With todays technology they could have sensors in the plate, the ball, the bases, and the gloves to show everything. Atleast in the ball and plate.
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I get the idea that I would be unpopular if I suggested that on a close play in a postseason game, the catcher might have thrown to first just to make sure, so I wont.
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It seems to me that a ball in the dirt at the catcher's mitt is out of the strike zone.
Calling a ball 'strike three' was a bad call, calling it a dropped strike three was a bad call.
Had no bad calls been made, Pirsen... Pearzin... the batter would have been on first with a walk. 2 bad calls cancel each other, the harmony of the cosmos is maintained.
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The ump stands BEHIND the catcher, he couldn't see that the catcher actually trapped the ball, trapping the ball in the dirt is considered a drop. The first base ump saw it, and called it correctly. (shrugs) Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
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Meanwhihle, my Astros were pwnd.:(
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It seems to me that a ball in the dirt at the catcher's mitt is out of the strike zone.
Calling a ball 'strike three' was a bad call, calling it a dropped strike three was a bad call.
Had no bad calls been made, Pirsen... Pearzin... the batter would have been on first with a walk. 2 bad calls cancel each other, the harmony of the cosmos is maintained.
A. J. swung, so no bad call there. The Angels catcher should have tagged him on a play where his glove hit the dirt to get the ball.
On another note, Sosh.. Socs... the Angels manager was all class after the game.
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Originally posted by majic
Did anyone else notice on the slo-mo closeup replay that FOX showed, it did, in fact, bounce? I thought it was caught until they showed that one. Weird that they didn't show it again, and the announcers did not acknowledge that.
The ball bounced up from the it hitting the bottom of the mitt. If you watch the actual motion of the ball, it's trajectory couldn't have hit the ground, even though it may look like it in a still picture. A catcher can tell if it hits the ground or not, and I believe Paul would've tagged him had he thought there was a chance it hit the ground.
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Angles fan since 1968. The ball was caught! Josh should have tagged the batter period. The Molina bros would have tagged him. Any close call on strike 3 runner gets tagged catching 101. Umps blew it but that dont matter Josh should have tagged the runner. Game over move on look out socks game 3. Let the Thunder sticks roar!
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Originally posted by icemaw
Angles fan since 1968. The ball was caught! Josh should have tagged the batter period. The Molina bros would have tagged him. Any close call on strike 3 runner gets tagged catching 101. Umps blew it but that dont matter Josh should have tagged the runner. Game over move on look out socks game 3. Let the Thunder sticks roar!
True Ice.
Angels've been hard to beat at home, & they've had the sox number all year. Cant wait.
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SportsByBrooks article on the call: http://sportsbybrooks.com/dougeddings.html
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Doesn't matter either way. ChiSox will win the next 3.
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Rips right, on a play like this, the plate ump usually can’t see if the ball is caught or not. So on a third strike not legally caught, the plate ump always gets help from the base ump. You won’t notice this on TV, but if it’s a clean catch, the 1st base ump will make a fist at belt level. The PU just looks to him, sees the signal and rings up the batter. No signal, no catch and the ball is in play.
Even so, when frame-by-frame replays from multiple angles are inconclusive, you can hardly blame the umps for the call either way.
The only valid criticism of the umps is the mechanics of the PU. Umps will use either a fist pump or point to signal strikes. Eddings uses a fist pump. The problem is many fans confuse this with an out call, so a lot of folks are saying he changed his call. He didn’t. But I bet he changes his mechanics.
Also most umps will also yell “no catch” on a 3rd strike not legally caught. On TV, you can’t tell if he said that or not, but based on the catcher’s lack of response, I bet he didn’t.
And that’s who should get the blame on this play – the catcher. Any high-school catcher, must less a MLB catcher should know that this is a very difficult call for the ump to get correct. The catcher should always reach out and tag the batter-runner and this whole discussion would have never happened.
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The ball "bounced" off of the top stiching in the web of the catcher's mit. It never hit the ground. What a horrible call. Basesball umpires are the worst for owning to mistakes of any in pro sports. And they're all fat slobs.
:D
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holden you need to watch more baseball. aj pirshiswhathisname swung at the low splitter
eddings got it wrong. froze like a deer in headlights.. you could say that its a conspiracy to get ratings since both the sox and yanks are out of it and now people will actually watch the ALCS to see if the angels can rightfully come back and win.
i wanted them to win before, but now i'm really rooting hard.
i dont want instant replay in baseball.. i'd rather have competant umpires and a consistant and fair judging system. greg gibbons I believe had many incidents this year where he really showed that he wasnt ready for the big show, #1 being when he threw david wells out from 2nd base.
they need to just blow the current umpiring crew up and start anew. too many guys who try to become a part of the game.
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Yeah, yeah, he had to swing for the run to first on a dropped strike three rule to come into play...
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I am against replay. Argueing with umpires is part of the game. It's even a line in Casey at the Bat... "Kill the Umpire!"
I would like to see an electronic strike zone sensor... should be relatively easy to accomplish. But whether a tag was made, this call, much of the game would be like it is now.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeah, yeah, he had to swing for the run to first on a dropped strike three rule to come into play...
Ohhh … you should have quit while you were behind. The batter becomes a runner when the 3rd strike is not legally caught by the catcher, provided first base is open or there are two outs. There is no requirement for the batter to swing at the pitch.
To put him out, the defense must tag him or first base before he touches first base. He’s also out if he enters the dugout.
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Heads up play by the chisox...sloppy catching for the angels. If one of my kids didn't tag the guy after a swinging 3rd strike where there's even a slight chance the ball touched dirt they get a dirty look and a smack on the helmet.
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Originally posted by myelo
Ohhh … you should have quit while you were behind. The batter becomes a runner when the 3rd strike is not legally caught by the catcher, provided first base is open or there are two outs. There is no requirement for the batter to swing at the pitch.
To put him out, the defense must tag him or first base before he touches first base. He’s also out if he enters the dugout.
He had to swing to get a ball in the dirt to be called a strike... I thought that was established a few posts ago...
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well golfer, would do abuse your kids if the ump signalled out too?
give me a break. there is no blame placed on josh paul at all. he caught the ball cleanly, the ump rang the guy up, what more do you want?
it was heads up baserunning but still all blame sorely rests on the umpire and MLB for supporting him.. first thing they should have done is just plain admit they were wrong and move on. it'd be better then the approach they took, which is weakly defend a horrible call.
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Well at least they didn't wave your runner home on interference and then call him out.
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crap happens. The play didn't decide the game; the angels let the play decide the game. If both a player and an umpire screw up on "optional" mechanics (not tagging the player, and not calling "no catch"), the player is going to lose, every time. But having a runner on first is different from having that runner score. Necessary but not sufficient.
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Something a little interesting...
"I wish I sold call more emphatically" (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/4991188)
And to add... (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/4988310)
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i agree it was a bad call but now there is tons of comments about "instant replay" for baseball now. IMO, this would be bad, really bad.
I like my baseball the way it has been for the last 100 years. In the honor of Martin/Yogi/Lasorda (sp) yelling at the blues but never winning. In fact Espn showed that not one time has yelling at a ump caused a call to be overturned. This is part of the game, the passion if you will. Instant replay somehow takes away from that, makes it more comercial then it already has become. Sometimes you get good calls, sometimes bad, just part of the game.
my .02
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No baseball dont need instant replay. But what it does need is regulated signals from the umps. No more of this well everyone knows when I scatch my arse means strike 3 and then when I pick my nose it means your out.
When I moon walk it means foul ball. etc etc!
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You would think they would institute something like the NFL has with the ability to challange the call of the officials.
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Originally posted by moose
well golfer, would do abuse your kids if the ump signalled out too?
Perhaps you misunderstood the open handed smack on a helmet for a piledriver or some other kind of pro wrestling move.
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perhaps you misunderstood my sarcasm :O
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If there's sarcasm there it's dryer than death valley not in the rainy season.
(Searching area with Sarcasm Dosimeter)
No beeps...Radioactive sarcastic material shows 0 Roentgens in this area.
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Ya know..it's just baseball..I hardly classify it as a sport anymore..mainly just a game of the pitcher and catcher playing catch for a few hours.
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more importantly why is that a rule at all? Whats the reasoning behind a guy striking out but being allowed to run simply because the catcher dropped the ball?
The astros won a game earlier this year when the guy struck out but made it to first. Pitcher gets a K but its no out. Really stupid rule.
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Dnil,
Many of the rules of baseball are the way they are because at some point in hisotry, somebody figured a way to get an unfair advantage. An example is the infield fly rule.
As for the "3rd strike not caught" rule, in the 19th century the batter could try to run to first after every last strike -- nobody "struck out", they had to be put out. Back then, the catcher played about 30-40 feet behind the plate and fielded pitches on the bounce. So it wasn't always easy to get the throw to first in time for the out.
But then catchers discovered protective gear. They moved up, right behind the plate and caught piches on the fly. Now it was easy to throw to first in time, or even easier, just reach out an tag the batter.
Then catchers discovered something else. Say there was less than 2 outs and a runner at first. On a third strike, they would throw to SECOND -- getting a force out on the runner at first. Then they would throw to first, getting a "cheap" double play.
So they changed the rules so that when the 3rd strike was caught by the catcher, the batter was automatically out. This prevented the force on the base runners.
Then catchers -- who really are smarter than they look -- started intentionally dropping the 3rd strike. This made the batter a runner and you're back to the possibility of a cheap double play.
So finally, they added another part of the rule -- if first base is occupied with fewer than 2 outs, it doesn't matter it the catcher fields the 3rd strike pitch cleanly or no, the batter is out.
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should have just eliminated it all together. If the catcher drops a 3rd strike guys should still be out, take a seat. I guess from your description its an archaic rule that needs to be gone.
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another blown call by the HP umpire tonight. this is atrocious
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The same calls have been there all season every season for as long as baseball.
Just cause now people decide to watch they're all experts :rolleyes:
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golfer this is the playoffs and the umpires have been hand selected - this is supposed to be the 'cream of the crop', per say. umpiring in baseball has always been a sham, with the questec system only recently starting to at least make the strike zone a little bit more consistant.
i'm a die hard redsox fan and the reversed calls last year in the ALCS were groundbreaking and at the time i had hoped it was a trend towards getting the call right, even if the umpire had to admit he's wrong. apparently it wasn't because two very important calls now have gone against the angels and it could easily be LA with the 3-1 lead in the series. the catcher interference tonight would have loaded the bases with 1 down in a two run game - instead it was a DP and Chicago scored to take any momentum right back.
and no, i'm not an expert (because i'd prolly be part of the bosox thinktank if i was) but as a baseball fan i'm about as knowledgable as you can get. however no matter what your interest (or in my case, obsession) with the sport you should expect the rules to be the same for both teams.
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THE CHAIR....................THE CHAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Speaking of lousy calls....anyone watch the UGA vs Vanderbilt football game. The refs denied Vanderbilt of any chance of making a comeback, after calling a touchdown for a ball that clearly touched the ground in replay.
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Originally posted by Dnil
should have just eliminated it all together. If the catcher drops a 3rd strike guys should still be out, take a seat. I guess from your description its an archaic rule that needs to be gone.
Well it's a 200-year old game. If you want to watch a new sport, watch the x-games.
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The rules are the same. The method of application is likewise antequated. That's the way we like our baseball. If you want to see selective refereeing, watch the NBA. If you want to hear old geezers whine about how 50 years ago a single bad call in game 2 of the LCS cost the best team in the league the series, or how an overeager fan's catch of a foul ball ruined the only hope chicago ever had, you watch baseball.
Go sox!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Doesn't matter either way. ChiSox will win the next 3.
Is this thread still alive? Oh, and now its just 1 more game. :D
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I am a huge baseball fan, its just a cheese rule with no reason to be in the game is all. maybe in the past but not now.... kinda like the DH rule.
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All this over a baseball game? I thought you were talking about Florida 2000.