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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on October 13, 2005, 04:41:39 PM
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BIG WEEK!
After the October 14, 1943 “Black Thursday”
mission, the Eighth Air Force flies missions
only within the limited range of its escort
fighters. And so the fall passes, as the Americans
build up their bomber and fighter strength, and
as British and American engineers work on
extending the range of the escorts. The
wretched flying weather of December and
January limits the number of missions that
can be flown.
And then, on February 19, 1944, the skies clear.
The Eighth Air Force flies on the next six
consecutive days. Its target is the German
aircraft industry - which the Luftwaffe knows
it must defend at all costs. Shining machines
filled with thousands of young men pierce the
frigid air over Europe, charging to a flaming
rendezvous in a battle for ownership of the
German skies.
Map: Rhine
Allies (Rooks)
C-47
B-17
B-24
P-38G
P-47D11, D25
P-51B
The Ms
Pz IV (pretend)
Axis (Knights)
C-47
Ju-88
Me-109G2, G6
Me-110G2
Fw-190A-5, A-8
The Ms
Pz IV
Settings:
Radar: Tower 158400, Sector 343200
Field Ack: low-level and puffy are both .25
Killshooter is off
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Field capture: 5 troops (if we can figure out how to do this)
Down time: three hours
500 pounder will drop a hanger
Notes:
Although the time setting is February, 1944, and thus
before the invasion, we have picked the Rhine map
for two reasons. First, the Bigweek battles took place
over Europe, not over the Channel, as usually happens
with the Battle of Britain map. Second, we thought
we would enable, and perhaps encourage, base capture,
to see how this plane set works in a base-capture
environment.
Let us know how it works out.
Oldman and Fork
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Rhine with base capture?? Oooh... That'll be interesting. I hope you will all post your AARs here, so that I might live vicariously through y'all.
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Nice setup. Jug-11 vs. A5 is a fun fight.
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It can be, at that! I've got some film footage of a HTH room where it was P47 (I think D11 or d25) vs 190a5s. Good fun both ways.
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LW planeset looks good...
USAAF... (Whistle blow!) P-38G is no longer used in ETO at that time, they were using P-38J at that time but SLOWLY being moved aside by new P-51B escort fighters
:)
replace P-38G with P-38J
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Originally posted by 1K3
LW planeset looks good...
USAAF... (Whistle blow!) P-38G is no longer used in ETO at that time, they were using P-38J at that time but SLOWLY being moved aside by new P-51B escort fighters
:)
replace P-38G with P-38J
If there's confirmation, I'll do it. Remember this is late February, I think 8th still just had 20th and 55th flying 38s.
- oldman
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How's this? :)
8th AAF
...P-38s of the Eighth Air Force were rapidly phased out of service in favor of P-51 Mustangs--The 20th, 55th, and 364th Fighter Groups converted to P-51s during July 1944, and in September the 479th Fighter Group traded in its P-38Js for P-51Ds.
9th AAF
...The Ninth Air Force was assigned a tactical role (in contrast to the strategic role of the Eighth Air Force), and retained its P-38J/L fighters a bit longer. Its first Lightning group was the 474th, which flew its first combat mission on April 15, 1944. It was soon joined by the 367th and 370th Fighter Groups. However, in March of 1945 these two latter groups converted to P-47Ds and P-51Ds respectively. By V-E day the 474th was the only Fighter Group still operating P-38s.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_17.html
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Bf-110s too were replaced in 44 when P-51s and P-47s started covering the LIBERATORS and FORTRESSES for the first time (and at the same time obliterating the 110s lol). US pilets said 110 was an easy target as a "meat on the table"
:)
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Originally posted by 1K3
How's this? :)
Heh. Not enough. That source puts the Js in July or September. This is late February.
Let's keep looking!
- oldman (who lost his copy of "The Mighty Eighth," which would promptly answer the question back in the fighter sections)
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Bill Gunston (not the best, but one source) says not until August '43 did the J come out. He doesn't say if that was when the J was unveiled, or when it actually got "out and about" to the pilots.
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the set up is perfect as it is OM. good job.
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Edit2: BAN the ass-hat. That's not skuzzy, that's a tard named TW9.
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20th Fighter Group and 55th Fighter Group of the 8th AF both took P38Js into combat starting at the end of December 1943, so they would have been the ride for both during Bigweek.
364th FG took 38Js into combat with the 8th in early March 1944 after arriving in February 44. 479th also showed up later with 38Js
Only 55th and 20th during Bigweek however
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Down time: three hours
500 pounder will drop a hanger
Thats ganna be just great some dweeb comes over and levels a field then you have to fly 50mile just to fight.
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Gives ya time to get alt :)
Besides, if some dweeb does that, do it right back!
I think OM set that because field capture is enabled, and it's a huge-arsed map, and the CT has few people in it.
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Rhines not a huge map its a normal CT size but bases are already 20-25miles apart. I wouls say but heavy bombers a few sectors back so if saomeone wants to bomb they can climb instead of divebombing. AND put some wind layers make it "realistic" instead of the laser bombing. If it were up to me then this is how it would be.
Ack: 20mins
Maned Ack: 15mins
Hangers/Dar/Fuel/Ammo:20-30mins
Town Buildings: 1 hour
Troops: 10 dont think you can get 5
3 hours it WAY to long for the CT. Primtime in the CT only last about 4hours it only takes one person to ruin the fight then everyone leaves. The further you have to fly in the CT the more it becomes the MA.
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It's up.
Unhappily, I'll be gone for most of this weekend. Fork, Slash and Sabre will look in from time to time, but please be sure to post any problems or comments here.
Note that I DID change the 38G to a J. Guppy has the sources that back up IK3's initial observation.
Will pay attention to Truekill's most recent comments on settings, he may be right. Post here.
- oldman
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I've kept the number of troops required to capture a base at whatever the default is....hope that is 10, it's what I put in the MOTD.
At Trukill's suggestion, reiterated by Sabre, I've put a west-to-east wind in starting at 14k (at 15 mph), changing at 20k (to 20 mph).
Remember that taking all the bases simply screws up the arena until someone comes by to reset it. Use good judgment on the base capture thing.
- oldman
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I just on to see the setup and the strats are on the wrong sides.
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Originally posted by Larry
I just on to see the setup and the strats are on the wrong sides.
....er....what does that mean?
- oldman
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Strat milkfest!!
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American strat is on German side and German strat is on American side.
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cats and dogs living together, a total breakdown of society as we know it.
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Lol.. love that line from Ghostbusters.
So, aside from that, how's the action? Nobody's posting anything about it.
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was good my 110 was pwning everything in sight:D
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we had a ton of fun last night. the plane sets are even enough.
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110 is overmodelled:furious :cry
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My throttle broke. Couldn't stick around for more than a couple of flights. :(
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
My throttle broke. Couldn't stick around for more than a couple of flights. :(
-- Todd/Leviathn
I like your trottle being stuck.:D
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hehe It's totally unresponsive now... stuck at 10% throttle without any use of the buttons. Obviously something inside went wacky. I haven't tried swapping it into a different USB port yet, but I'm guessing that after five years, the throttle finally gave up the ghost.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
hehe It's totally unresponsive now... stuck at 10% throttle without any use of the buttons. Obviously something inside went wacky. I haven't tried swapping it into a different USB port yet, but I'm guessing that after five years, the throttle finally gave up the ghost.
-- Todd/Leviathn
let me know if we need to start the JG54 buy leblowathn a new joystick and throttle memorial fund. batfink says he'll contribute 1 quid to the effort.
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On the bright side, now Storch can almost beat me. Almost. :aok
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I can all the way beat you. wooowooooo i r teh l33t quah!!1!!!1!!11!!!!!
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
On the bright side, now Storch can almost beat me. Almost. :aok
-- Todd/Leviathn
the thing is i thought i was getting better lol
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
hehe It's totally unresponsive now... stuck at 10% throttle without any use of the buttons. Obviously something inside went wacky. I haven't tried swapping it into a different USB port yet, but I'm guessing that after five years, the throttle finally gave up the ghost.
-- Todd/Leviathn
it's not hardware, it's software
your setup has just been adjusted to the new AH handicap system .. :)
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So, what's the verdict? How does it balance? How do most of the fights go? Are there many bombing attempts? etc.. etc...
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Spent one day in there and then AH got broked.:( :cry
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D'oh! :furious
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Originally posted by Larry
American strat is on German side and German strat is on American side.
Truekill, it's nice to see you overestimate my intelligence.
WTF is strat?
And, if you can answer that question, what's the way one would fix the current problem?
Thanks.
- oldman
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looks like someone already fixed it
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Truekill, it's nice to see you overestimate my intelligence.
WTF is strat?
And, if you can answer that question, what's the way one would fix the current problem?
Thanks.
- oldman
I'll translate...
German "trucks" were on the American side and the American "trucks" were on the German side...
Fork fixed it already...
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(cough), yes I did fix it. All is good, cept now I just can't stay connected...:huh
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Fork, did the clouds get loaded yet?
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
(cough), yes I did fix it. All is good, cept now I just can't stay connected...:huh
Could you explain how you fixed it, Mr. Wizard?
- oldman
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welllllllllllllllllllllllllll ... if you must know
a. I disabled strategy
b. I did a country reset. (Setup. ArenaSettings.Environment.Cou ntryReset)
c. I changed the ResetTotalFieldCnt to 1 from 5. *
d. I changed the ResetAirFieldCnt to 1 from 3. *
* - prevents accidental game reset if some knobb/newb decides to capture a off-map base or if the map is designed with less than those numbers.
What happens is that when a map is loaded, we should reset the country (as in b to avoid this issue).
It also fixes radar issues and base capture problems. :aok
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Show off:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Slash27
Show off:rolleyes:
Yus. Good to have someone who can show off, though. Thanks, Fork.
- oldman
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hmmmmmm, so how's the match-up?
btw are we allowed to bomb? seems thgat its highly discouraged here...
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Just do it when people are there to try to stop you. Whatever you do DONT bomb the countrys that are in the corner, but yea you can bomb. Buffs make nice targets.:D
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Has anyone been able to get into the CT this week? We're talking about what to run for next week, and don't yet know if the Big Week setup has actually been used.
- oldmna
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I wouldn't mind seeing this setup run for another week... :)
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Same here since only geting to play got 5-6hours doesnt count at a week of play :D
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I can't log on to the CT so I've been jones'n for 5 days.
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Originally posted by soda72
I wouldn't mind seeing this setup run for another week... :)
Thats what we're kicking around.
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Run it again, please.
Had some decent fights and then the game crapped out and is still out.
Do we get a discount or rebate from a week of not being able to log on?
We are paying for nothing right?
:confused:
All the best,
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Run it again, please.
Had some decent fights and then the game crapped out and is still out.
Do we get a discount or rebate from a week of not being able to log on?
We are paying for nothing right?
:confused:
All the best,
Crumpp
YEAH WHAT HE SAID!!!!!:mad:
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Originally posted by Crumpp
Run it again, please.
Good news:
CT is back in operation. I even did what Fork said to do to get the trucks to run right. Check it out.
So far as I know, this is our setup for the next week.
- oldman
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sheesh, great news. thanks fork and OM