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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FiLtH on October 14, 2005, 09:34:51 AM
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No..not rooks vs bish vs knights...the other war. The guys who want to furball vs the guys who want to attack bases. There has been endless argument over who is right. Who should do what if they are cool, should they bomb and capture, or should each team have just 3 bases, uncapturable, and just furball all the time.
Ive found that fellow countrymen, not the enemy, complain more about their own bomber guys ruining their fun, more than the enemy doing it. There is a serious rift in the teams right now. There are too many fragments involved to make happy, cohesive teams.
The way I see it, there are 4 groups.
1. Fighter guys. These guys usually if not always, go to a base wihout bombs looking to shoot down other fighters. They arent concerned with "the war", and their fun is based on dogfighting, regardlesss where they are on the map, its cool with them as long as they can up.
2. Bomber guys. These guys like to bomb anything. Some guys bomb the big factory areas for points, others bomb bases, FHs, towns whatever. Ifs its a bldg that can blow up, they are on it. Some want to help capture bases, while some just want to go hit something...anything. Will usually goon bases if needed.
3. Mixed guys. These guys fly a little bomber, a little fighter, rarely but sometimes use GVs, and more often than not try to capture fields, either in a bombing role, or fighter support, and goon bases for capture. These guys usually find eachother in the game and make small units to capture a base.
4. GVs etc . These guys primarily use GVs, or guns and are content with just tanking or protecting fleets. Often they are part of one of the groups above, but quite happy doing tank on tank stuff.
Why dont we see how this would work. Make each team a specific flying style. Knights can get all the fighter types, Rooks all the bomber types, and Bish could be the mixed type. GVs could go wherever among the 3.
Let it play out awhile. See what team can do more, and if they are happier that way, or if they are better off the way it is now and appreciate each guys role that makes up their team.
In my opinion, segregation wouldnt work well. Organization is the answer. Instead of 100 different bomber squads, running all over the place, make them part of an AF Group. Could be 5 squads in a group. Get the COs together to structure it. Chose leaders. Fighter squads could chose plane types they want to use as their rides. They could start a campaign with an early war and "upgrade" 1/2 way thru to add some fun to it. Flying missions together, instead of all these single LA7s you see.
Bomber groups would be just that...big groups. Not single formation bombers at various alts every 2 minutes. Those are no fun to even try to defend against. I know I know...TOD is coming. So is Christmas. Lets do something until then, to make the game less a game and more of a sim.
I suggest each side nominates potential leaders, for different times of the day.
8am-noon
noon-4pm
4pm-8pm
8pm-midnight
midnight-4am
4am-8am
These guys could direct the battle, selecting targets. All squads would follow his direction. Missions could be created and large missions would be the norm.
I know Im fantasizing here, but it would be alot more fun. The trouble is, no one has the patience to do it that way. Few would wait the 15 minutes for a mission to role.
Missions dont have to be about capturing bases either. They can be fighter sweeps, or escort, or bombing a town or strat. Anything to get fights up high, and somewhat realistic is size and intensity. I think what each player needs to do is ask himself what he likes best from the game. Would waiting for a mission to form, going out and getting a few kills, or maybe no kills, and RTB to complete the mission be ok with you. Or would you prefer a quick flight on the deck to the nearest base, furball as long as you can and try to rtb every mission.
The former is more realistic, and maybe not as much fun filled all the time, the latter is less realistic, but has more action, faster.
Now the question...if you preferred the latter, what do you plan to do when TOD does become a reality?
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Now the question...if you preferred the latter, what do you plan to do when TOD does become a reality?
Fly recon. Take pictures of places and girls on the beach. Fly home. Pass the pictures to command. Drink beer.
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HEHEHEHE girls and beer. It doesn't get any better than that. Unless its Beer and female Pron stars.
Filth,
I like your idea. It has alot of merit. It could work. But, how many will listen to another for direction on this game? Very few. I'm all for it. I'll talk to my squad. Look us up.
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Good Idea Filth......
1 question.....
Isn't TOD going to be a separate thing from the regular MA?
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filth, that was a suspiciously long post, i.e. the" livestock liberator"you 2 arent, exchanging ideas on a big sheep heist are you?? :rolleyes: btw,i think i have too much time on my hands.
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Hehehe me thinks Filth has lost his mind. :rolleyes:
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Red I have no idea. I hope they dont make 2 arenas for it. I dont like the idea of splitting up the player base. Dip...yup..i have. :)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Why dont we see how this would work. Make each team a specific flying style. Knights can get all the fighter types, Rooks all the bomber types, and Bish could be the mixed type. GVs could go wherever among the 3.
I do not mean to be insulting, but this is about the stupidest (but damned interesting) idea I've heard yet.
In a place where communication and respect are close to non-existent (you figure which of the two there is more of), you want to propose someone gets 'appointed' Leader-For-A-Day (or an hour)?
You dream the good dream, but I think you answered your own question in your message. Good thing virtual ink doesn't cost anything, cause you and I just wasted a bunch for nothing.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Red I have no idea. I hope they dont make 2 arenas for it. I dont like the idea of splitting up the player base. Dip...yup..i have. :)
Have you tried WWIIO? It sucked to me and the FM is porked but the whole game is focused are "team" play.
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Ya i know its a waste of time. Just felt like writing :) I did play ww2ol for 3 yrs. I did like the team play, but I hated the way planes were done, and their availability. Also it always seemed so dark in there for me. Like i was always flying in rain.
As far as this game goes, the way I play depends on how my underwear is fitting that day. If meinen panties ist en unt beinden...thats german btw, who knows. I may want to bomb stuff and grab a fighter. I do know one thing, I lost the interest in furballs a long time ago. I prefer going out and finding a guy thats alone and going at it. Win or lose, those are always the most fun for me. Furballs are like the African plain. A couple lions, a few water buffalo and a whole bunch of hyenas fighting eachother for the kill.
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Originally posted by FiLTH
I prefer going out and finding a guy thats alone and going at it. Win or lose, those are always the most fun for me.
They have certain bars and clubs out there now devoted to people who enjoy doing this very same thing with folks who share the same interests as you. You don't need to rely on the BBS to find these types of guys anymore....
:p :p
:lol
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Hey, Filth, when we going to see another Pizza guy film?
(sorry for the hijack, but those things are hilarious!) :rofl
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LOL Howitzer...you take an innocent line and pervert it all to pieces! LOL...I didnt even realize it sounded so bad till I read it alone in the quote of your post. Yuck that sounded bad.
Been thinking about Pizza Guy but idea well kinda dry atm.
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IIRC, ToD will be entirely separate, and will hopefully not split the player base, so much as lure some away, and bring in more customers overall.
It's still all speculation, but that's what I gathered from the ToD forum.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Been thinking about Pizza Guy but idea well kinda dry atm.
With all the HO'n , FH killing, furballing threads you're dry? Come on man you're killin' me. :lol ;)
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Tks Hub,
Boy what the future holds......:lol
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It is a great idea, but it just won't happen. Its kinda like life.
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It's pretty simple really... if the fluffs and gv's disapeared.... It wouldn't affect the furballers one bit.
If the furballers and fighters were gone.... there would be no game.
Any percieved importance of the fluffs is all based on how they affect the fighters.
The inferiority complex that fluffers have is solidly based on the facts.... that is why they lash out in such a pitiful manner.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by TW9
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Laz its funny because although I agree there would be no game, its because its supported by arcade types so much, and not by event types. Not because the furballer is needed for fun game play.For every guy who likes historical play you probably have 20 that prefer arcade play. Kind of hard to run a business to cater to the minority.
Now Im hardly saying that every buff guy wants to play historical, what with divebombing Lanc and the like, but many would prefer mission based play every time out of the gate, as opposed to screaming light on the deck to go vulch and see how many kills they can get.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It's pretty simple really... if the fluffs and gv's disapeared.... It wouldn't affect the furballers one bit.
If the furballers and fighters were gone.... there would be no game.
Any percieved importance of the fluffs is all based on how they affect the fighters.
The inferiority complex that fluffers have is solidly based on the facts.... that is why they lash out in such a pitiful manner.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
The part I like is "If the furballers and fighters were gone....there would be no game. If the furballers were gone...c'est la vie.