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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: straffo on October 14, 2005, 04:14:59 PM
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rahhh I feel better now !
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normally i would agree with you, but its only 5 perks? they lowered it at least.
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give it a perk price close to F4U-1C
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No
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Perk the LA7
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NO
Perk P-51D, P-47N, P-47D-40, F4U-1D, P-38L, Yak-9U, La-7, FW-190D-9, Bf-109K-4, Typhoon, and that it:)
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Originally posted by 1K3
NO
Perk P-51D, P-47N, P-47D-40, F4U-1D, P-38L, Yak-9U, La-7, FW-190D-9, Bf-109K-4, Typhoon, and that it:)
Forgot the spits....screw it perk em all!!!!!!:aok
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Its insane to have Ta152 perked when the overall better performing and much more versitale P47N is free.
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re think the modelled performance of the Ta 152, then by all means perk it.
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I haven't figured out why the 152 is perked either.
Not that the few perkies it costs now is much of a deterent to using it. It is just that there are a lot better MA rides that are free.
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Perk the P-39!
Oh we don't have the p39............Well perk the spit-5 its a snake in the freaking air. :D
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Perk ordnance!
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I haven't figured out why the 152 is perked either.
Not that the few perkies it costs now is much of a deterent to using it. It is just that there are a lot better MA rides that are free.
Agreed. Its got great guns but doesnt handle well. 110 for example handles alot better
Is fast high. But how many fights do you get into at 30+K these days?
the only other real upside to it is a tank of gas lasts next to forever
While Im not saying to perk it.
It makes more sence to have the LA7 perked then the 152
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Perk perk points
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Originally posted by storch
re think the modelled performance of the Ta 152, then by all means perk it.
Agreed..... <----Golf clap>
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Originally posted by 1K3
NO
Perk P-51D, P-47N, P-47D-40, F4U-1D, P-38L, Yak-9U, La-7, FW-190D-9, Bf-109K-4, Typhoon, and that it:)
100 each :aok, remove the P-47D-40, F4U-1D, they not that fast on the deck.
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Perk BBS postings
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Originally posted by 1K3
NO
Perk P-51D, P-47N, P-47D-40, F4U-1D, P-38L, Yak-9U, La-7, FW-190D-9, Bf-109K-4, Typhoon, and that it:)
........no
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Perk la7s.
Dont even know why the 38L is on the list when no one really flies it now. Most fly the 38J. The 190D can only BnZ and is horrible turning. The 51 turns somewhat but when it gets slow its dead. Yak is not worth perking cause its not that fast and its guns are crap. P47s and typhs dont even have the great turning ablities and only thing they have are guns.
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I do beleave the Typhoon should be perked, 400mph top speed, bubble cockpit and 4x hispanios, that thing is a terror! I fly it all the time to challange people in temps (H2H), and if used right it's awesome, just keep your speed up.
The Ta-152, I understand why it's perked, best performance at 30K and one of the only planes that fighters well above that, awesome firepower and very good range. I can use it well around 15k, but forget it if your below that.
The La7 I do beleave should be perked, aswell as the 109G10, but that seems to be being replaced by the K4.
I also agree the that the P-47N should be perked, same reason that the Ta is. You can have something almost as good as a Ta at alt thats even better at low alt, it's a monster!
Also for the Spit 5, I heard that the FM is being toned down a wee bit, so perking won't be needed.
AND REMODEL THE N1K!!!! lol (I love that plane, but god is the model ugly)
Edward
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Perk my mom
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Originally posted by cav58d
Perk my mom
I could go there but I won't, consider yourself spared. ;)
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Perk, Storch, not pork...
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Well the P47N easily outperforms the Ta152 above 30k aswell as bellow 30k.
Doesn't matter much if the 152 is unperked, there won't be more people flying it. It sucks.
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I fly it when I can. It's a bit faster than a dora, and I intercepted one once as it tried to out-dive me.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Well the P47N easily outperforms the Ta152 above 30k aswell as bellow 30k.
Doesn't matter much if the 152 is unperked, there won't be more people flying it. It sucks.
Pretty much said it all right there. EdXCal the Ta152s firepower isnt awesome its average compaired to other LW planes, but Id even go on to say its less then average. Even the 109F4 has better firepower then it with gondies. 3x Mg 151 and 2x Mg 131 to 2x Mg 151 and one Mk 108.
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!!!!JAAAaa UnP3rK 1t!!! 1t SuxX0r!!!!
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Originally posted by EdXCal
I do beleave the Typhoon should be perked, 400mph top speed, bubble cockpit and 4x hispanios, that thing is a terror! I fly it all the time to challange people in temps (H2H), and if used right it's awesome, just keep your speed up.
The Ta-152, I understand why it's perked, best performance at 30K and one of the only planes that fighters well above that, awesome firepower and very good range. I can use it well around 15k, but forget it if your below that.
The La7 I do beleave should be perked, aswell as the 109G10, but that seems to be being replaced by the K4.
I also agree the that the P-47N should be perked, same reason that the Ta is. You can have something almost as good as a Ta at alt thats even better at low alt, it's a monster!
Also for the Spit 5, I heard that the FM is being toned down a wee bit, so perking won't be needed.
AND REMODEL THE N1K!!!! lol (I love that plane, but god is the model ugly)
Edward
The typhoon can only go over 400mph at 17k, at that altitude, most other planes are faster than that.
Most planes out accellerate, roll, dive, climb and hold E better than the typhoon. Top speed means nothing when you are turn fighting!
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Originally posted by 1K3
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Perk P-51D, P-47N, P-47D-40, F4U-1D, P-38L, Yak-9U, La-7, FW-190D-9, Bf-109K-4, Typhoon, and that it:)
only a newb that knows nothing of why Hitech does what he does would say that and not back it up with some reason as to why he thinks they should be perked.
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Not sure why Im posting here, no perks in the h2h :D
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You just gave me an idea Frank
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Actually I think all later model planes should be perked across the board. the later the model the higher the perk cost. But with the highest cost still being the jets..
Though might as well unperk the 234 as its pretty much useless
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Well do to the fact that I've never flown a P-47n against a Ta-152, I can't say which is better above 30k, though the Ta-152 has those huge wings and a lower weight then a P-47n, but once again, never fought the two together, nor that high up.
Now the Typhoon, top speed or even dive speed can mean everything. I fly turners all the time, N1k's, Ki-84 (my favorite plane) and the Fm-2, But I almost never turn fight them! I always BnZ with them, the Ki-84 and Fm-2 the most, you use the Ki's high acceleration to keep the speed up and in the vertical or my favorite, use the Fm-2's ability to to hold and handle any speed! Dive into a BnZ fight with a skyrocketing Fm-2 and never slow down, people get scared. Now a Typhoon my not have the advantage of slow speed turn rate, but as long as you take your time, get your alt and keep your speed up turners only burn unless you have someone smart and BnZing with them.... Or maybe a damn Spit5.... Freakin' snake in the sky (I like how that was put! lol). But in the vertical the typhoons weight which helps hold rather good E along with average acceleration keep it's speed up, do this you have good high speed handling and most turners are dead.
Edward
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Perks are not only applied in matters of performance,
but also scarcity as a basis.
IIRC, HTs own words, 'Rare fighters should be kept rare'.
However :D in the case of the 152...
it's a 'rare fighter' indeed, in that not only is it a late-war plane,
but also probably one of the only planes that people would pretty
much VOLUNTARILY KEEP IT RARE in the MA. :D
Either unperk it, or beef up its performance for crying out loud!!
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Perk la7s.
Yak is not worth perking cause its not that fast and its guns are crap. ]
I agree the YAK should not be perked but the 9U is fast enough and the guns are only crap if you cant hit anything, only draw back on the YAK is ammo thus my (if you cant hit anything) comment. :)
Sounds like someone need to practice their aim a bit. :p
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Perk la7s.
Yak is not worth perking cause its not that fast and its guns are crap.
Yak gets 3-4 kills with its .50s only, and can get 4-8 more with 20mm.
Just the question of your aim and ability to set correct conv.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
IIRC, HTs own words, 'Rare fighters should be kept rare'.
Well if rare birds being kept rare are the logic behind perked planes then Divebombing B24's and lancasters were pretty rare birds too.
PERK THE B24s and Lancs!:D
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Perk all but the ponies... leave the hurry1 unperked unless piloted by schatzi...
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Originally posted by EdXCal
Well do to the fact that I've never flown a P-47n against a Ta-152, I can't say which is better above 30k, though the Ta-152 has those huge wings and a lower weight then a P-47n, but once again, never fought the two together, nor that high up.
P47n is better from 0 to ceilling.
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perk ord is a good idea.
limited supply and higher perk value depending on amoo start facilities.
and unperk the 152 or beef it up sounds good too
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Originally posted by TW9
!!!!JAAAaa UnP3rK 1t!!! 1t SuxX0r!!!!
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:D
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Originally posted by Lye-El
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:D
There you go (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=6898)
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Originally posted by Lye-El
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:D
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:lol
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Perk all 1k bombs on fighters!
250's are free, 500's are a half a perk each,1k's are 1 perk apiece.
Look at what this does to current gameplay problems.
Cuts the number of diveboming jabo's on CV's to almost nil.
Opens up the GV game more, and puts the emphasis back on skill. You can kill a gv with a 250, but you have to be GOOD.
Reduces the ability of jabo's to kill hangers at fields. (Furballers will like this)
Brings bombers back into play for field capture.
Rockets should be free as always.
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Only 16 ta152's were operational during the war, and jg301 only flew 66 ta152 sorites. We're fortunate that it's modeled in AH high period.
Now how many spit mkxiv were operational?
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66 sorties, maybe, but they got kills. There are a couple of tales of 152s fighting tempests late in the war. One account was told by one of the pilots.. A flight of 3 152s were heading low to engage some tempests that were attacking something (trains? Front lines? I can't remember what). They saw the tempests and promptly one of the 152s plowed into the ground (pilot error? Malfunction, the pilot telling the tale didn't know). They got into a fight and the pilot that was telling the tale explained that he got into a turn fight with one of them and was out turning it. He was firing his guns then they all stopped (out fo ammo? Probably a G-related jam IMO). He kept turning waiting for something to happen, and it did. The Tempest couldn't turn with the 152.. It's wing dipped and the pilot couldn't recover because they were already barely above trees as it was. The tempest pilot died.
April 24 1945, Walter Loos ran into a group of VVS fighters over Berlin -- my guess is that at this time of the war they were late Yak9s or LA7s -- and shot down 2 of them.
It was rare, sure, but they were in full production and if the war had ended 6 months later they'd have replaced most of the doras, I bet.
I know this is a fun "what if" plane for AH. But it still falls within the guidelines that HTC set up for "allowed planes" :P
(*whisper* I just wish it performed like the monster it was supposed to be! */whisper*)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
There you go (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=6898)
:D I wonder how many others you got with that. Now THAT is funny. :rofl :rofl
I think I'll leave it. :D
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Ta 152 in AH2 barely flies straight....it does flat turns even at high speed, its very sluggish and nose bounces to hell.....sometimes I check my tail to make sure its still there....
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Originally posted by Schatzi
There you go (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=6898)
LOL yup that was kind of funny ;)
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Originally posted by Schatzi
There you go (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=6898)
While we would all be better off clicking this link as an entire community, I do not like it when people mess with my ignore list. It's the principle of the thing. No I didn't click it (I read the link first). I might, but when I do I want it to be my choice.
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Well I removed it but I liked the humor with it ;)
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This argument is nothing new. http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152015 Personaly Im glad its down in its perk price.
Even still, its like paying for a bag of rocks which came out of your back yard.
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how do i unignore people? dam you schatzi! :mad:
was funny though :aok
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I found the 152 to be quite capeable in AH 1. I know that I have read on the board somewhere that there wasnt a flight model change with the FW series from AH1 to AH2 but I just find that real hard to believe.
In AH 1 I could really make the 152 dance once it was low fuel. The Medium/Low speed handling was good enough that I wouldnt even think twice about turn/angles fighting a p51/p47/p38 etc.... I wouldnt even consider it in AH II.
Its a bummer for me because I use to fly it fairly often..... I never fly it now.
Dave
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IIRC, HTs own words, 'Rare fighters should be kept rare'.
No, you do not recall correctly.
Perks are based only upon usage and effect on the Main Arena.
For example the Usage, the Spit 14, F4u4 and Ta152 all dropped in price due to lack of usage, not lack of power.
For example, the effect. The F4u1c was perked because it was too powerful. It was also being overly used.
For example, the 3 Gun La7 is NOT perked. I do believe there were no more then 10 of these in the entire war. It is a rare plane, but is overly used in the MA. It is not perked.
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Ah so that what the little midget was mumbling about.. He wanted "da plane da plane" perked...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Perks are based only upon usage and effect on the Main Arena.
WRONG!
Perks are ALSO a basis for keeping planes rare and limited. Perk status can be given to planes that were rare in numbers (Ta152) and beccause of performance dominace (spit14, f4u4, f4u1c). It's not ONLY because of the latter. The 262 and 163 aren't perked because of performance, I tellyawhut.
The actual performance of the planes can help HTC change the perk PRICE, but the perk status itself can be bestowed upon rare craft for that reason alone.
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Krusty, I will do it if I have to.
I will quote myself in something that has already been posted that already proves you wrong.
I suggest you go read over it again.
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I'm sorry lasersailor, but I'm confident you're wrong on this one. There is a difference between "perk points" and "perk status". Planes can have "perk status" for any of 2 reasons. Rarity or uberness. Perk POINTS, on the other hand, are dictated solely by the MA.
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No, as you get further into the war, you start developing good planes.
Thus as logic leads you through, you figure out that the planes that are rare are the best planes out there. Because development always works forward.
Had the war gone on another year, the planes that were rare are not rare anymore. Now you have a set of BETTER planes that are now rare because development didn't have a chance to finish.
The real question is that if we knew nothing about how many planes were built, would the same planes be perked?
The answer is yes. Thus it proves that perk cost is based off of power and usage only, not rarity.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, as you get further into the war, you start developing good planes.
Thus as logic leads you through, you figure out that the planes that are rare are the best planes out there. Because development always works forward.
Had the war gone on another year, the planes that were rare are not rare anymore. Now you have a set of BETTER planes that are now rare because development didn't have a chance to finish.
The real question is that if we knew nothing about how many planes were built, would the same planes be perked?
The answer is yes. Thus it proves that perk cost is based off of power and usage only, not rarity.
Dude, whoa, whoa, whoa!
You're talking gibberish here... Think about what you just said. That doesn't make ANY sense. Nor is it grounded in what we're talking about. Ta152 by ANY sense of the word is a rare plane. So is the F4u4. They barely made it into the war, period. So is the 163, the 109G2 was a very short run plane, the n1k2 saw limited service, as did several others in AH (I gues less so with the n1k2....). Okay? With me so far? Note how some of the ones I listed as "semi-rare" are perked?
Okay, now, consider, in AH most of the uber late war super-powered MONSTERS are unperked.
That shoots lots of holes in your "Perks are performance related ONLY" theory. Otherwise dora, G10, p51D, yak9u, la7, la5, typhoon, b24, spit9, and half the planeset would be perked.
You're wrong on this one :P
HTC can perk a plane either for historical scarcity or for performance -- it's their call. They have done BOTH in the past. I don't see what the debate is!
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As far as I remember the only output by HT was something like : "perk are perked to be hunted"
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Only.. that doesn't work with the new icon system, does it?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Even still, its like paying for a bag of rocks which came out of your back yard.
Well put.
The thing is this discussion has gone on for as long as the Ta152 has been here. I doubt there will be any changes to it.
I too flew the Ta 152 far more in AH then I do in AH2.
It's the most unstable plane in AH2 IMO. The long wings are part of the reason, what bothers me is that i can't seem to counter this with a good use of rudders in AH, not sure why but it's near impossible to fly the plane "clean" even with the use of rudders. Of course, this is not the planes biggest problem, the biggest problem is just that it sucks.
Nomak, no FM changes were made to any planes in the transition to AH2.
What was changed was the overall FM for the intire game. AFAIK HTC added more points to be calculated (along the wings only or over the intire plane I don't know). This affects all planes, specially near the stall. Few planes have suffered from it though, most of them have improved in performance. The Ta 152 is one of the few (the only?) that has suffered from it, and greatly so.
I've pretty much given up on the discussion and I don't fly it anymore.
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A lot of planes have suffered from it wilbus!
The zero got a super boost in E retention. Now in a co alt (on the deck) fight it can chase down a p40E screaming away at WEP and catch it after a couple of minutes (total BS).
The Hurricane got a super speed retention/climb boost. It can zoom, hang, follow, and chase anybody anywhere, with a good chance of staying within killing range for a long time. Never could do that in AH1.
The 110 got this wierd spitfire flight model. Where historically (and in AH1) it was a dog to fly, not it out turns and out loops spit1s and hurr1s. It totally ruins the BOB scenario in AH2.
The spitV has total BS low speed handling (I'll use my oft-cited "steady aim until 48mph then is at 180mph 1.5 seconds after stalling out in a 48mph stall").
There are plenty of planes that suffered in the change from AH1 to AH2. They just didn't suffer the same way the 152 did. For whatever reason, what made most planes unrealistically BETTER, made the ta152 unrealistically WORSE.
That's been my observation.
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The 110 still has the same flight model. It just takes skill to learn it well.
I still often throw it into unrecoverable spins.
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Laser, in AH1 it flew totally different. It wasn't this agile light zeke of a plane. Only since AH2 has it become a light knife fighter. It's unrealistic, and unhistorical.
I'm glad that certain planes in AH1 that were totally porked (190s and 109s, to name 2) got "fixed" in ah2, but the rest of them just got waaaay over modeled. It's one of my pet peeves with AH2's coding. It's an across-the-board issue. I don't even know what the issue is (can't pinpoint it) but everything is "off".
EDIT: I got into one of those unrecoverable spins in a spit9 recently. No reason I should have. Was only making a loop! Never even stalled til the last second! There are still many bugs with AH.
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Originally posted by Krusty
A lot of planes have suffered from it wilbus!
The zero got a super boost in E retention. Now in a co alt (on the deck) fight it can chase down a p40E screaming away at WEP and catch it after a couple of minutes (total BS).
The Hurricane got a super speed retention/climb boost. It can zoom, hang, follow, and chase anybody anywhere, with a good chance of staying within killing range for a long time. Never could do that in AH1.
The 110 got this wierd spitfire flight model. Where historically (and in AH1) it was a dog to fly, not it out turns and out loops spit1s and hurr1s. It totally ruins the BOB scenario in AH2.
The spitV has total BS low speed handling (I'll use my oft-cited "steady aim until 48mph then is at 180mph 1.5 seconds after stalling out in a 48mph stall").
There are plenty of planes that suffered in the change from AH1 to AH2. They just didn't suffer the same way the 152 did. For whatever reason, what made most planes unrealistically BETTER, made the ta152 unrealistically WORSE.
That's been my observation.
Those planes didn't suffer from it Krusty, they gained from it.
You said it yourself, they all fly far better. The 110 is a good example. Although it was more then capable in AH it is actually very very good in AH2 (far better then in AH).
The 152 is the plane that suffered most from it. The 262 suffered some aswell but it is IMO more realistic now.
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Tas outturning Tempies??
Not a chance.
* Tempest Mk.V: 18 seconds @ 168mph, 215.2m radius
* Ta152H-1: 20 seconds @ 261.9m radius
... at least, not in AH.
Tempy to Ta in turns, is about similar to an A6M2 to Spit9.
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AHs Ta152 is all screwed up. I still dont understand why they didnt remodel it with the 190s.
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All of the 190s all suffer from fatal modelling errors that give away all the advantages they had to the allied rides. these flaws cannot be corrected without re doing the entire coding for them. pyro has already stated this. they will not be remodelled until other priorities are first addressed. in the mean time we who prefer LW rides will soldier on in these less than realistically modelled rides all the while improving our skills. the question is what will you easy moders do when the 190s are corrected?
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What flaw are you speaking about ?
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incorrect climb rate and speed, the 115 litre auxiliary tank which is always full even when it runs dry, others I don't recall. they don't matter too much to me now that pyro is aware of them, has acknowledeged and will correct them when he has the time. I recently purchased a copy of Flight Journal's Special Issue, German Fighters war planes of the Third Reich. Beginning on page 68 there is a test pilot's report written by the late Rear Admiral C.C. "Andy" Andrews USN (Ret.) Titled Butcher Bird vs. Hellcat and Corsair. Many here are aware that the F8F Bearcat design was heavily influenced by the results of these flight tests. It may be a good idea to pick up a copy. I was amazed to see all the vices of the FW190 design accurately incorporated in the AH modelling while excluding many of it's salient features.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Those planes didn't suffer from it Krusty, they gained from it.
You said it yourself, they all fly far better. The 110 is a good example. Although it was more then capable in AH it is actually very very good in AH2 (far better then in AH).
The 152 is the plane that suffered most from it. The 262 suffered some aswell but it is IMO more realistic now.
That's my point. They "suffer" from the problem. They are too good. They should NOT be that good. But they are, thus they suffer from that same problem. Just because it makes them "better" doesn't mean it made them "right" :P
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Originally posted by storch
in the mean time we who prefer LW rides will soldier on in these less than realistically modelled rides all the while improving our skills. the question is what will you easy moders do when the 190s are corrected?
Cool, that gives us and HT about 4 years. Then, we will just jump in LA7s :p
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Originally posted by storch
All of the 190s all suffer from fatal modelling errors that give away all the advantages they had to the allied rides. these flaws cannot be corrected without re doing the entire coding for them. pyro has already stated this. they will not be remodelled until other priorities are first addressed. in the mean time we who prefer LW rides will soldier on in these less than realistically modelled rides all the while improving our skills. the question is what will you easy moders do when the 190s are corrected?
Oh, put down that martyr's cross. You're not the only ones that have aircraft with issues and some of your aircraft perform way better than they should, specifically the Bf110s. If AH's FMs are right then the Bf110C-4 and Hurricane Mk I should have emerged from the BoB as the clearly superior aircraft and the Spitfire and Bf109 should have been phased out of service.
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Originally posted by straffo
What flaw are you speaking about ?
Originally posted by storch
incorrect climb rate and speed, the 115 litre auxiliary tank which is always full even when it runs dry, others I don't recall. they don't matter too much to me now that pyro is aware of them, has acknowledeged and will correct them when he has the time. I recently purchased a copy of Flight Journal's Special Issue, German Fighters war planes of the Third Reich. Beginning on page 68 there is a test pilot's report written by the late Rear Admiral C.C. "Andy" Andrews USN (Ret.) Titled Butcher Bird vs. Hellcat and Corsair. Many here are aware that the F8F Bearcat design was heavily influenced by the results of these flight tests. It may be a good idea to pick up a copy. I was amazed to see all the vices of the FW190 design accurately incorporated in the AH modelling while excluding many of it's salient features.
190A-8, 190F-8, 190D-9, and TA-152 have correct speed/climb.
The 190A-5 speed/climb is incorrect and it's proven since 190A-5 came out 1st in AH1. Imo 190A-5 should be changed to 190A-6 (almost same as A-5 but with outboard MG-151 cannons) and add 190A-3 for spit match ups in 1942-43. I also hope 190A-8/F-8 gets a BMW 801 TS engines :)
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Originally posted by straffo
What flaw are you speaking about ?
Dont get me started on the flaps.:O
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Originally posted by 1K3
190A-8, 190F-8, 190D-9, and TA-152 have correct speed/climb.
The 190A-5 speed/climb is incorrect and it's proven since 190A-5 came out 1st in AH1. Imo 190A-5 should be changed to 190A-6 (almost same as A-5 but with outboard MG-151 cannons) and add 190A-3 for spit match ups in 1942-43. I also hope 190A-8/F-8 gets a BMW 801 TS engines :)
er.........bzzzzzzzzzz. wrong answer, thanks for playing please try again.