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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on July 09, 2001, 12:13:00 AM
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Since mid-may this little weasel has been denying... always through his "spokespeople"... that he was ever romantically involved with Chandra Levy.
Oops. Guess that's not exactly right, according to what he told the DC police.
In the old days, you'd call him a liar.
Now, we'll soon see that his "spokespeople" repeatedly misunderstood what he meant for them to say. That's what spokespeople do... provide deniablity, right?
Because HE would never lie. (Oh, wait... it's OK to lie about this right? It was a "personal relationship". I forgot about the new "definition of "is" is" clause. Sorry.)
Jeez. Some days I'm glad I'm getting older. I figure about the time I check out from natural causes it'll be just about perfect.
Because the STENCH of politicians will be undoubtedly be choking me to DEATH by then.
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]
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local news just quoted his snake err attorney as saying: he doesnt owe anyone an explanation but the police.
um how about his constituents, the family, his wife,........etc
what a ratbag
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]
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This was one of the guys who critizised Clinton.
I just love the irony :).
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I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I don't think Condit owes the media a damn thing. I've seen a number of articles stating that "Condit should have a press conference and set this all straight so we can move forward." As if the media were somehow part of the criminal process.
The police in D.C. have stated that Condit was not a suspect before their interview, he was not a suspect during the interview, and he's still not a suspect after the interview. As far as the police are concerned, Condit has nothing to do with the disappearance of Chandra Levy.
On the other hand, Condit could have avoided this entire mess if he would have answered the questions of his constituency and Levy's family rather than play duck and run.
It's his own fault. Maybe he'll figure that out when he's back in California with a REAL job.
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He was one of the last ppl to see her alive. That makes him a suspect in my book. He's a liar, an adulter, a cheat ... perfect creditials for a politician now a days :(
By telling the police they were just "friends", gave him ample time to remove any evidence if there was any. Amazing what ppl with power and $$$ can get away with these days ..
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So he lied about an affair. So what?
What are you going to do about it? Impeach him? Hah! That was fun the last time. Let's do it again.
Whether you or or the media or I consider Condit a suspect or not is irrelevant. His status as a suspect is a police issue.
So he's an adulterer. Again, so what? I don't care what Condit does with his dick. If he's not faithful to his marriage, this is his wife's issue.
As a politician, it is Condit's duty to represent the interests of his constituency. What he does in his spare time is (once again) not our business.
Matthew 7:1-5
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Luke 6:37
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
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I heard, but don't know how true it is,the police were questioning the wife now. Who knows, maybe she found out about the affair and took matters into her own hands.
Even tho there is no proof yet,and I'm not positive they are questioning her, but it also should be investigated as well.
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From Day One all he needed to have his "ministers of disinformation" tell the media was "It's none of your business." I have no problem with that at all. He would be correct and it would actually show some brass. I'd have saluted him for that.
Instead, he directed them to lie.
It isn't about adultery at all. I don't care what he does in his personal life either.
It's about an elected representative once again deliberately lying to the public.
I think he had three choices. Refuse to comment. Admit it. Lie about it. Choices one or two are fine by me either way. Choice three makes him undeserving of his office in my book.
Dealing with the police is another matter. He should have told them the truth from the beginning; we'll never know if that would or would not make a difference in finding Levy dead or alive.
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]
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Originally posted by NHFoxtro:
I heard, but don't know how true it is,the police were questioning the wife now. Who knows, maybe she found out about the affair and took matters into her own hands.
If that is the case, she's got a list of women to tend to. Condit has a history of marital infidelity. I suspect, that like Hillary, she knew it and knew it all along.
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Sandman
Guess anyone can be your politician eh?
I prefer one with some sort of ethics and morals, but they seem far and few between. How do you know his screwing around was "in his spare time" and not on the taxpayers nickel? Your mentor slick willie as lower the bar and many seem eager to follow...
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Clinton didn't invent political philandering. He wasn't the first and he certainly isn't the last.
There have been others...
Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson... just to name a few.
What the president (or congressman) does with his noodle has nothing to do with his ability to represent the people. We are electing someone to represent us, the unwashed masses. I'd prefer it if he had a little dirt of his own. Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice in Sandmans list that none of those Presidents were Republican? :D
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Hehe... that's right... Republicans don't have a noodle. :D
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Sandman_SBM ]
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So, Sandman are you deliberately "spinning" this thread or have you missed the point unintentionally?
You are turning this into another Clintonesque sex discussion. That's not what it's about.
The POINT is that he could just as easily had his Ministers of Disinformation say "No Comment" or "this is a personal matter and none of your business" and then walk away from the microphones.
Instead, Condit had them deliberately LIE to the public.
I don't care if Condit has sexual relations with underage sheep or gets off auroerotically rolling around in lime jello. That's his business as long as he breaks no laws or harms no other individuals.
I DO care that he chooses to LIE rather than say "my personal life is none of your business."
The issue is NOT whether the press has the right to ask. They can _ask_ anything they want to ask.
No one HAS to answer those scandalmongers. Condit is the one that made the choice. Now HE has made his personal life a topic for the Jerry Springers of the media.
Integrity. That is the focus of this topic.
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So, Sandman are you deliberately "spinning" this thread or have you missed the point unintentionally?
You are turning this into another Clintonesque sex discussion. That's not what it's about.
It's not me! I simply responded.
In this regard, I somewhat agree with you Toad. I'm disappointed in Condit for exactly the same reason I was disappointed with Clinton. Neither has the courage to stand up and say, "It's none of your business. Next question?"
Edit: Did it again... didn't I? Oh... and yeah, it was me that made the reference to impeachment. Okay... I'll shut up now. Condit is lying, adulterous, spineless, cowardly scum!
Whew... I feel better now.
[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: Sandman_SBM ]
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That is it EXACTLY.
Why do we end up with guys that are so STUPID that they try to lie about something like this?
He had to know with a missing person/murder investigation going on that having his Ministers of Disinformation deliberately lie about it wasn't going to work.
Far, far better and smarter to make the media look like prying, scandal mongering little weasels. Far better to show a little "backbone" and stand on personal privacy.
Condit hasn't impressed me as being too politically astute in this whole Levy mess. With the lie, he's earned my scorn.
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I really don't have a problem with him lying about the affair. At this point I'd expect any politician to both have affairs and lie about it, and honestly neither of them concern me that much.
The problem is that in this case there is a young woman still missing, and it isn't simply a matter of his hiding his affairs, it's a matter of his being able to assist in figuring out what happened, and not doing so. Suspect or not there is no doubt he has relavent information on her activities prior to disappearing. One quick way to change your status from witness to suspect though is to lie thru your teeth.
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I see your point, but Condit didn't lie to the police. He lied to the media. They don't count.
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Sure, he didn't lie, he fell back on the old "they didn't ask the right questions" line.
In any real person's opinion (aka non-politician), he lied. That is why it took 3 interviews for him to even admit he had an affair with the woman.
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hmmm....
National politician, ends affair with mistress. She freaks out and starts getting all emotional (this is what the news said last week or the week before) The next day or 2 she goes "missing"
Could it be that maybe Condit though she would start blowing the whistle on him and ruin his political carreer, so he had her killed????? To me that's the direction this whole mess points. If they never find her body there's never been a crime, that can be proven. Conjecture to be sure, but this senario doesn't sound too far out there for me to believe. I guess she could have committed suicide or been abducted by some street thugs, but surely her body would have been found by now or there would have been a ransom note or something. I think he either killed her or had her killed and disposed of her body so that she will never be found.
Remember O.J. wasn't a "suspect" either. LOL Cops lie as much as politicians, go figure!
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wow i cant believe condit actually gets support arguments! hey earth to sheep! shake off your lawyer definition wordplay conditioning syndrome for a second and try a lil' common sense - do you really think he didnt feel they asked the right questions - that doesnt smell like an excuse to you?
when our elected officials dont know what the police are getting at and cant give them a straight and honest question then it confirms what ive known for years. our govt sucks and is no longer in contact with reality. pitchfork time.
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mrfish, maybe the fact that the government is becomming more and more dodgy every year and more "above the law" (read: finding loop holes in the laws to keep themselves out of trouble), and the fact that people are pushing for gun laws so citizens can no longer carry guns is so that our government can turn the USA into a billion drones.
When we can no longer over throw the government when it becomes too powerful and overwhelms us with itself because we have a lack of arms, we may be up toejam's creek without a paddle.
First the government becomes above and beyond the law, then weapons will be outlawed in the hands of civilians, then the police become the equivelent of Hitler's secret police, mind control agents are pumped into the drinking water, television (one in every household, remember?) broadcasts subliminal messages or images that activate these mind control agents or trigger the population to be slaves to these power hungry government bastards...
Oh yeah... uhm... nevermind. ;)
-SW
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"Whether interning in Modesto, Merced, or Washington D.C., working in one of Rep. Condit's offices can be an extremely rewarding experience. Typical duties of Interns can range from assisting with phone's to researching legislative projects."
http://www.house.gov/gcondit/intern_opportunities.htm (http://www.house.gov/gcondit/intern_opportunities.htm)
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
When we can no longer over throw the government when it becomes too powerful and overwhelms us with itself because we have a lack of arms, we may be up toejam's creek without a paddle.
-SW
You are jokin right? If you think that the average citizen has a chance in hell of overthrowing this gov (read military) with what those yahoos have in their closets, you need to stop eating the mushrooms you are pickin out of the cow dung :)
I think anyone should own a gun, but my money's on the Apache if push comes to shove...
mrfish, you are correct again. He knew exactly what he was doing, now the question is why did he lie.. is he a liar, adulterer or a murderer, we know he's now 2 out of 3..
I doubt the 3rd would ever be proven if it is the case.... again, two different justice systems at work theirs and ours. I'd bet $$ if your mistress disappeared and you were the last one to see her, the police would be in your house with a fine tooth comb. But then we aren't a political figure are we..
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Not serious at all, just a joke.
Although if the government did happen to get too powerful, I've got a box of rocks in my garage. ;)
-SW
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Eagler,
That assumes the Apache drivers are loyal to the particular regime in power rather than the people and Constitution they are sworn to defend.
The guys that make up our Military are perhaps more conscious of and knowledgeable about the history and value of this Republic than the average bear.
If anything, I'd expect those Apache drivers to be more supportive of a popular movement than an unpopular government.
All idle speculation, however. I'm sure you youngsters will reform the world the way my generation was going to...
Peace, love & understanding, brother!
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Typcial American discussion... starts with a Politician having a shag and ends in civil war :)
BTW... how do I know if I've ever gotten off "auroerotically"?
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Yeah, someday somebody will probably do a doctoral dissertaion on the premise that politicians lacking integrity have led to numerous wars throughout the ages.
Autoeroticism? You have a car, don't you? Back seat? Girl friend? You'll figure it out. ;)
...or you could look here: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary.htm) :p
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As far as this missing lady thing....well it could almost be a movie....oh wait a sec, it has...
Eagler, It doesnt take big fancy pushbutton weapons to win a war...just ask the Vietnamese. All it takes is ideals..and thats pretty much what this country was founded on. Take those away and just watch what happens. Sure you'll have the countless droves of sheep that will conform. But there will be a helluva lot of people that wont though. I could almost predict that most of em would be military seeing how most od us are "Right Wing Conspirators" to begin with. ;)
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(http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/Condit.jpg)
(Can't you trust this face)
Back to the thread, this loser should step down... plain and simple. It's about integrity. He doesn't have enough to represent himself let alone others.
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I like him already, news pics showed him getting out of his Jet Black 330Ci....Mmmm. :)
So, anyone remember the discussion along time ago about what the president does, reflects on society as a whole? ;)
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I guess what amuses me about this, is that Foxnews and others have kept the heat on this guy from day 1. I don't care what political party you favor, dislike or what have you. But if you've got a zillion press reporters on you, and can "smell" you aren't being completely forthright, then tell the damn truth!
This Condit twit has been a lesson is "Stepping on Landmines 101". One day its "I didn't" the next is "I sorta might've" and then its finally "Yea, I did.". Look, he may not have killed this young lady, but from his lack of honesty sure doesn't help him!
You politician haters can claim this has no bearing on his ability to lead but come on! If he can't come clean about something like this, how can anyone beleive a word he says in the future? We know he'll dodge as long as he can, and buckle under pressure only after being dogged into it.
If this guy gets re-elected, I'll be impressed. Well, not really, but you know what I mean.
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Yeah, negatively impressed. ;)
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Marion Barry got re-elected....never under estimate the power of the...er,...left. :)
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Yeah, but after his second term of taking DC into a nose-dive we finally got a better mayor. She re-worked the city as best she could, but it's still a craphole.
I think it's more or less: Don't underestimate the power of idiots in large groups that know how to vote.
-SW
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its funny how many big city mayors are worthless too - look at that ny mayor letting his mistress live in the mansion and our mayor in sf.........
he is like al sharpton. last year they caught him taking bribes, this year he is having a child with his mistress and the people love him why? he wears a fedora. thats all it takes - oh look at the shiney thing ....thats right dont worry about my politics. as long as the sheople have something to gossip about they dont care about the rest.
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Originally posted by mrfish:
its funny how many big city mayors are worthless too - look at that ny mayor letting his mistress live in the mansion...
he is like al sharpton. last year they caught him taking bribes...
You are a bit misinformed here. R Juliani is a very competent mayor.
His affair only came up in the last few months and he was pretty open about it too. There was never an issue of him cheating on his wife and as for the public, he did not have to announce that to us.
He is a very popular republican mayor in the most democratic city in the country. He would have beaten Hillary by landslade if he did not drop out of the senate race because of the prostate cancer. That aught to tell you something about his worth.
The issue with the mansion was that the wife wanted to deny the mistress access to the mansion. On one hand it is her residence, where she should have a say who is welcome. On another hand, he states that the mansion is a city property and his residence too and as a resident and a mayor, he can invite whoever he wants... I would stay out of such issue and let them settle it.
miko
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
I like him already, news pics showed him getting out of his Jet Black 330Ci....Mmmm. :)
So, anyone remember the discussion along time ago about what the president does, reflects on society as a whole? ;)
You're right, Ripsnort. And I'll bet everyone of us have lied about something important at some point in our lives, haven't we? Come on, be honest, if you can.
Doesn't make what this politician did right, but it certainly doesn't give us the right to point our fingers and act so f**king righteous and holy.!
IMHO ;)
Buhdman, out
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There *used* to be a sense of dignity in politics, where if once discovered, a politician would come right out and say "I was wrong..."...that's changed. Bill changed it even more than Nixon...its a trend within our society, "Lie first, then if they find out, tell them you're a victim". Politics of the late 20th and early 21st century. :confused:
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Originally posted by miko2d:
You are a bit misinformed here. R Juliani is a very competent mayor.
His affair only came up in the last few months and he was pretty open about it too
he cheats on his wife! let him be a hero to people like you.
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Seems to be a trend more for the dumocrats than the republicans, to lie and moan about their immoral behavior..
How many Republicans did the right thing when ole larry flynn threatened to expose their flings and stepped down? Funny, well really not so funny, how the same tactic would not work with the average dumocrat....
Yep, Rip the standard has been lowered and getting lower at every turn. Pretty soon, not having a mistress and lying about it, being faithful to your spouse and family will be viewed as downright strange, abnormally conservative and wacked...
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how can anyone beleive a word he says in the future
I use this simple criteria:
If a politician says it don't believe it, he'll probably just retract it or spin it a different way tommorow to suit his personal agenda or his political partys desires. They're all scum.
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:rolleyes:
Pardon me for interrupting the political party bashing, but I think you all are missing the point.
This is the point ---> (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/07/02/missing.intern/story.levy.jpg)
The point is not whether Condit lied about an affair with an intern, whether he owed the media and his constituents the truth, if he's a good lawmaker or anything else. And it has absolutely nothing to do with which party he's in.
The point is a young girl is missing. And he was the last person to see her. True, he has a right to his privacy, but by withholding information which might be important to the investigation he is not only perhaps putting her life in danger, he looks like he has something to hide. Would any of you actually say that the fact an affair was taking place is not important to the search? Do any of you honestly feel that this fact isn't important? If the answer is no then he owes the police at least a straight answer.
Right now I could give a rat's bellybutton about Condits sexual habits and voting record. I'd like to know where the girl is. So would her parents I bet.
And if this love muffin thinks that it's more important to play word games to protect his chances of being re-elected than finding her; he should be skinned alive.
[ 07-10-2001: Message edited by: Dune ]
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<S> Dune, well said!
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I'm affraid that the likelihood of finding Chandra alive are nil.
And it bugs the heck out of me that the investigation seems to be paralized by the undue influences of the polititians.
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Dune for President!
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what do they expect to find in his apartment after 10 weeks?? Not an expert here but if there was anything my guess is that it has been cleaned away...
Also bet you he backs out of his offer for the lie detector test ..
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The main issue is the girl. I hope the truth comes out about what's happened to her, though I have my doubts it will come to light since politicians are involved...
As to the politicians' sex lives in general... yes it's private. However, if he abuses his power to get the action, or does it on his supposed work time, then it does bother me. Our taxes support these buffoons for life, so when they're working for me, they better be working and not nailing some little hussie!
Personally, the damned politicians have made politics a nice career. It shouldn't be. You should get a nice paycheck for while you're representing the constituents, but after that, you're an average joe again. No special perks (except maybe Secret Service protection for ex-presidents...), no special retirement packages, no free rides at all. Of course it'll never happen, because the politicians make the laws. Hmm, wish I could vote to raise MY salary and benefits...