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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StarOfAfrica2 on October 14, 2005, 05:16:28 PM
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Dont know how many of you watch "Lost" on Wed. nights. They shoot most of the show here in Honolulu. Few of them have even bought houses here. Wed. afternoon, went down to the HPD office to register my newest baby. While I'm getting it out of the trunk, a new Mercedes convertible pulls in and parks next to me. Got a glimpse of the guy and thought "Hey isnt that..........?", Nah. Get my stuff and head upstairs. Standing in line to register and I turn around and "Hey yeah that IS..........."
Turns out the poor sap had someone break into his house that morning, robbed him and his wife at gunpoint, and stole that nice Mercedes, dumping it a few blocks away. He was inquiring as to the paperwork necessary to buy a handgun for protection. He laughed that he waves a gun around all the time on the show, but never thought he'd need a real one here. Live and learn. I didnt see the story until that night.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9691045/
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Noticed this yesterday in the news. Kinda has me concerned because I live in Hawaii Kai and that's the general area it happened in! I was wondering when he'd start asking about what it takes to get a firearm here after reading about the details of the break in. It just goes to show that things can happen no matter where you live OR who you are. I'm still looking into installing perimeter motion detectors with the little doorbell type alarms to announce someone on my property (to augment the motion activated lights). And still looking into a new S&W 620, but Magnum's supplier ran out :(.
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For some reason those S&W are hard to get. I've heard alot of people cant find em.
I think you'll find Hawaii Kai will start having more problems as the population increases. The kids are growing up thinking gangs are cool because they see em on TV, and we've got some of the LA gangs here now. Plus the Asian gangs that have moved in. Most of the local kids that hang around em are harmless, but a few get stupid on Ice. Some of those "kids" are in their mid to late 20s now, come from fairly nice neighborhoods, and know how to blend. Notice this guy stole a $60-70k car, drove it just a short distance, and left it. He knew the car wouldnt draw attention in that neighborhood, but he would in his outfit, carrying a bag, walking. He parked it and switched cars more than likely. He knew exactly how to get around in that neighborhood without drawing attention. Before long you guys will be the new Waipahu. :)
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My impressions of Hawaii are that if you are Asian or Non-White you will fit in the local populace pretty well. My buddy there was a local and had a thousand cousins in wich we went to partys with and ever one I went to I got asked "who's the 'howley boa' (foreigner loosely translated) and he'd reply 'he's with me' and thus I was safe for the most part. If I travled the local spots without my buddy kolo I'd get the stairs from all the young kids sitting around trying to look cool like their favorite hip hop stars.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
For some reason those S&W are hard to get. I've heard alot of people cant find em.
I think you'll find Hawaii Kai will start having more problems as the population increases. The kids are growing up thinking gangs are cool because they see em on TV, and we've got some of the LA gangs here now. Plus the Asian gangs that have moved in. Most of the local kids that hang around em are harmless, but a few get stupid on Ice. Some of those "kids" are in their mid to late 20s now, come from fairly nice neighborhoods, and know how to blend. Notice this guy stole a $60-70k car, drove it just a short distance, and left it. He knew the car wouldnt draw attention in that neighborhood, but he would in his outfit, carrying a bag, walking. He parked it and switched cars more than likely. He knew exactly how to get around in that neighborhood without drawing attention. Before long you guys will be the new Waipahu. :)
Hehe, being the new Waipahu would take quite a lot of effort :). But yeah, all the new development around here got people concerned enough to start making noise in the neighborhood board meetings. It's too late for the projects already started, but hopefully there won't be any more for a while. More people = more chances of finding oxygen theifs. Even before this incident, there was another one recently where a couple of college age girls were walking home from a bus stop nearby one evening and were approched from behind by single male who groped one of them and then pulled out a knife. They got away by screaming and running I think. Nope, I'm not dumb enough to believe this area is crime free - just hope it stays low relative to the rest of the island. As for gangs and ice, well I know according to our local media we're the "Ice Capital of the U.S.," but I'm not buying that because I know it's everywhere. Some people need to find better things to do with themselves to keep their hides out of trouble. I just hope we don't get the really notorious gangs, the ones that threaten to (and probably would) go after law enforcement...
As for Mr. Holloway, good luck to him on going through the process. I hope he learns a thing or two about firearms, especially if all his knowledge comes from the people who employ him (Hollywood). I guess he could also take another route though, and move to an exclusive gated community where he'd be sheltered.
Gunslinger: Probably sounded like "eh, who da haole brah?" In many parts of the island, I wouldn't be surprised. But did that happen even on the east side of the island? There's more caucasians around here, plus there's K-Bay of course. Racism sucks no matter which direction it comes from.
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How can that be possible?
Don't you guys have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation?
Maybe the problem is that not enough crooks are current on the new laws?
Maybe a tv and newspaper series on it would help?
lazs
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lazs is right , we need a outreach program to educate crooks on how to register firearms.
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They don't really need to register em... they simply need to be told that they are illegal and then everything will be fine.... like in chicago or detroit or DC or nyc.
lazs
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I wouldn’t recommend keeping your baby in your trunk in such a hot climate.
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We are constantly reminded that Honlolulu has the lowest violent crime rate of any major US city.
Thats of course AFTER the stories about two guys being beaten and robbed, a body washed up on a beach somewhere, several stories about arsonists being tracked down, updates on today's kidnapping/carjacking, a story about some nut setting himself or his car on fire in a major public place he should never have been able to get into with a can of gasoline, a couple of deaths from road racing meth addicts and a partridge in a pear tree. The partridge was really a pigeon and had a knife.
Thats why we dont need to carry guns here yanno. Because we are so safe, and because we have the spirit of Aloha.
Thats Hawaiian for "we're full of ****".
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Denial.
This place is urban and so is subject to all the vices of being urban. Another example is traffic. Everyone complains about traffic being so bad and how developers (and probably politicians) in their greed developed big subdivisions out of old sugar cane and pineapple land but neglected to add any new roadways and infrastructure. But try to put a new roadway in or "threaten" to go to elevated rail and then the cries go up about how ugly it will be or how it will screw up our environment. Now that our GET will go up for the sake of a new mass transit system, we'll see how far that goes.
Thats why we dont need to carry guns here yanno. Because we are so safe, and because we have the spirit of Aloha.
Thats Hawaiian for "we're full of ****".
I agree. From what I've seen, the spirit of Aloha isn't unique to Hawaii. I think you can find it anywhere in the world where people are genuine and still have respect for one another. The glory days people so fondly remember when they could leave their doors unlocked without worry are gone. Permanently. Unfortunately most of the people in power are still in denial. Like that police Major (?) who commented about Mr. Holloway's robbery and immediately stated we're still the safest city in the US. And like the people who called in after the Xerox mass murder saying that if we do CCL here it will automatically become a war zone.
rant off :mad:
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just get to friends with the biggest Samoan you can find.
They some big dudes and love to fight more than an Irish rugby fan.
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You actually listen to what HPD has to say? I know some of the officers, and dont get me wrong, most of em are nice guys. But the only reason they close cases at all here is because the island is small enough that everybody knows everybody else, and eventually news circulates enough that even the police get the message. I'm betting if they find the guy that broke into Holloway's house, they'll find he's a Hawaii Kai local, probably lived there from 3 to 6 years with his parents, is a recent Meth or Coke addict (addicted enough to have to steal the money for it instead of sponging off mom and dad), more than likely white and in his mid 20s. A true local, with local ties, would have taken that Mercedes, dropped it at a chop shop, taken what he could get for it on the quick, walked a few blocks and taken a bus to where he needed to go or called for a ride. Cars are the item of choice for the local theif, not home break-ins. And I have to admit, carjacking is pretty rare here compared to back in St Louis or any other major city. They usually steal unattended cars here. Heck, I can remember pulling guard duty downtown one night right after I got here, learning the downtown area. It was about 3am. I'm walking on a sidewalk on Nimitz highway near Honolulu Harbor and I hear this car alarm. I look over and here comes this Honda Civic all dropped down with the big wheels and tinted windows the kids like, and the alarm is just screaming. This guy is blowing stoplights and doing like 60 mph, obviously he couldnt figure out the alarm and just took it anyway, hoping to get where he was going before the cops showed up. I almost busted a gut laughing.
Thats not to say if you look at somebody wrong in the wrong neighborhood, they wont jack you up and leave you bleeding on the sidewalk. Especially the neighborhoods with the Samoans who moved back here from Cali. I have 2 of them on speed-dial for advice on gang issues, because alot of them are IN gangs. Came here to try to start over. They, along with some of the local tough guys, have alot of resentment issues to work out on us haoles. Especially tourists who wander into the wrong places at night. I remember last year some guy staying at the Pagoda downtown asked me about finding a Kava bar. Said he had heard about them on some Discover channel thing or something like that. I just looked at this man like he was nuts and told him he should find healthier tourist spots to visit. One of the most common sayings I've heard (mostly joking) among the locals is "If it's Tourist Season, how come we cant shoot them?"
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My house was broken into and looted this last Friday in Cambridge... All my neighbors remember just a few years back you could leave your house unlocked.
I'm just worried the bastards will come back and take whatever they didn't take the first time. They took my plasma TV out in broad daylight but it's on a busy street so nobody saw anything "unusual".
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the drug zombies will take anything that doesn't fight back.
This is the reality. It matters not why this is true... it simply is. They also have a warped moral sense on everything else.
It will get worse not better. If you are percieved to be busy somewhere else or helpless... you will become a victim. If you are gone, like eagl... it is just a horrible experiance and a lot of wasted time and money and energy...
If you are percieved to be helpless... it could be the end of you.
as for hawaii.... it's a friggin island... you would have to be british to not catch someone on a frigging island.
lazs
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Hehe, have you ever seen the Hawaiian state flag Lazs?
(http://www.50states.com/flag/image/nunst016.gif)
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I find that flag to be 10 times more offensive than a confederate flag. At least the confederate flag doesn't symbolize subserviance.
lazs
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I take it you see my point then. Nuff said.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
the poor sap had someone break into his house that morning, robbed him and his wife at gunpoint
Stuff like that is to be expected... when you systematically arm your criminal classes. Same thing would happen here, but... well, you know. ;)
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Yah, we know Beetle. Instead your criminals are forced to be more creative and rob people with bats and butter knives. Its ok though. We understand how all those centuries of subjugation have led you to cringe at the sight of weapons. After all, by the reasoning that most of your European countries have only begin to repudiate in the last couple of centuries (with our example), only the people most fit to have them deserved to carry weapons, isnt that right? The majority of the population was considered unintelligent and craven, and had no use for weapons anyway, eh? Guess their indoctrination found good soil.
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Oh, so it's cool then! You got without a king/queen... and traded them for criminals that come to your door to steal your cars. Nice going! :aok
:rofl
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Originally posted by beet1e
Stuff like that is to be expected... when you systematically arm your criminal classes. Same thing would happen here, but... well, you know. ;)
Don't you guys have some of the highest home invasion rates in the world?
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Dont distract him from his hijacking NUKE, he so enjoys a chance try to show us how much better your life can be if you grow up letting mommy dress you instead of learning to do it yourself. You just naturally let other people tell you what to do as well, and its so much easier on everyone, isnt it?
Bah.
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in england the serfs are not allowed arms, only the royalty and their men at arms are allowed to carry swords.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I find that flag to be 10 times more offensive than a confederate flag. At least the confederate flag doesn't symbolize subserviance.
lazs
Ya know... if the Hawaiians had thier way, I don't think they would have became a state in the first place.
Subservience is accurate in this case. ;)
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We understand how all those centuries of subjugation have led you to cringe at the sight of weapons. After all, by the reasoning that most of your European countries have only begin to repudiate in the last couple of centuries (with our example), only the people most fit to have them deserved to carry weapons, isnt that right?We understand how all those centuries of subjugation have led you to cringe at the sight of weapons. After all, by the reasoning that most of your European countries have only begin to repudiate in the last couple of centuries (with our example), only the people most fit to have them deserved to carry weapons, isnt that right?
and in england the serfs are not allowed arms, only the royalty and their men at arms are allowed to carry swords.
Funny how people in these gun threads reply to me by stating that "We" do something, like "We" understand... Almost as funny is the attempted reference to events/"lifestyle" of earlier centuries. I may be old, but not that old! And you guys forgot to mention 1776! - and if you had, I'm sure the effect upon me would have been the same as if I were to point out to Furball that Arsenal lost to Ipswich in the 1978 FA cup final.
:rofl
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beetle... all that would be fine except.... your country is pretty much rulled by the criminal class.... you have more muggings and burglaries than we do... you have theives and lowlifes everywhere and your people can only huddle in the dark in fear. More and more of your criminals are arming themselves with more than knives and a strong arm too...
Your gun laws did not slow the rate of homicide in your country one bit... it was the same before and after.
brits that move here buy guns... not because they are more afraid but because.... they can. Talking to ones that moved here and talking to you is like night and day.... You can counter by telling me what the Americans that move to england think but.....
Americans don't leave America for england..
lazs