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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hajo on October 16, 2005, 10:05:10 PM
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Early Aces High. When one or two planes looked for a fight. Very few if any HO's. No smack just a
and a well done. The Betas. The Beta Map. Beta for AHII when numbers were low and the veterans of the game spent a lot of time there furballing in everything against everyone. Side swithcing in the Betas to balance the sides. No Hordes. If someone was trying a craft for their first ride in the beta and asked questions they were answered by all. Winging with enemies from the MA in beta like Cavalier, YUCCA, Wilbus, StSanta, Saw, Apar, Citabria and Ripsnort. Fllying against the Damned in Beta and having a blast.
What the hell happened?
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Strateegery.
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Perks (think about it)
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The slow inexorable slide of Western Civilization?
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Plane match-ups used to make the game fun for me. I remember flying around at 15k in a p38, and running into a group of 109's, usually belonging to a JG54 squad, or something of that nature. Hell, any match-up that didn't involve a jet speed prop plane made my day.
I think thats a lost cause now, every other plane you see in MA is a la7. I bet that each sortie you up, the chance of fighting a la7 is 90%. How many planes do we have in this game? It is used so much, its sickening. I usually like to spend my free time online, wingin with squadmates, or just shootin the watermelon on the text buffer.
Lately, I just log in disgust.
I blame everything on the la7.
;)
:rofl
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I think it has something to do with the average age of the Online Gamer.
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Originally posted by Hajo
Early Aces High. When one or two planes looked for a fight. Very few if any HO's. No smack just a and a well done. The Betas. The Beta Map. Beta for AHII when numbers were low and the veterans of the game spent a lot of time there furballing in everything against everyone. Side swithcing in the Betas to balance the sides. No Hordes. If someone was trying a craft for their first ride in the beta and asked questions they were answered by all. Winging with enemies from the MA in beta like Cavalier, YUCCA, Wilbus, StSanta, Saw, Apar, Citabria and Ripsnort. Fllying against the Damned in Beta and having a blast.
What the hell happened?
I was an "Honorary Flying Circus" for 2 months in AH2 Beta. Enjoyed it tremendously.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Lazerr
Lately, I just log in disgust.
I blame everything on the la7.
Tell it brother!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I think it has something to do with the average age of the Online Gamer.
I think any stats on this would be speculatory if you are just talking about AH. Many in here assume too much when guessing ages.
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Before i took my 5 month break, we (31st bomber barons) would have a blast flying P-51s against the JB's in their 109s and 190s. Gave me goose bumps everytime we fought them. Even now thinking about it, im getting goose bumps. Around 20 P-51s against 20+ 190/109s! God i miss it!!! Hope its like that when i get my butt back into the MA!
Egle31
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It wont be eagle, all you see is Las and Spits most of the time it seems. The only 190s I ever run into (aside from Doom in his A5,
) are D9s that only seem to know how to HO. And 90% of the 109s are G10s, which will only get worse when the K and G14 come out I fear.
One of the things that really bugs the heck out of me (my $.02) is that you'll have 3/4 of your "countrymen" furballing somewhere, then they all start screaming about nobody defending bases when "all of a sudden" they are losing fields all over the map. Then they all come tearing in to save the day, complain after 10 minutes that theres "no fight in these vulching/cherrypicking/etc [insert country here]", go back to furballing (usually without reclaiming the lost field that got them involved in the first place), and then repeat the cycle about 45 minutes later. :furious
Rant over, as you were.
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Great!! If i hadnt missed flying with my squad, and some of enemy pilots (friends) then i wouldnt come back to the MA. I do remember seeing a lot of La7s before i left, kind of ticked me off! Hopefully HiTech will get it together and perk the dang thing!! I mean the La7 is fast, has 3 heavy cannons! Heck might as well let the 262 be unperked or something:furious But what can ya do, i do enjoy flying with some of the people in MA, (Bish, Rook, and yes even some of the Knights!) lol, cya all soon!
Egle31
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Originally posted by Hajo
Early Aces High. When one or two planes looked for a fight. Very few if any HO's. No smack just a and a well done. The Betas. The Beta Map. Beta for AHII when numbers were low and the veterans of the game spent a lot of time there furballing in everything against everyone. Side swithcing in the Betas to balance the sides. No Hordes. If someone was trying a craft for their first ride in the beta and asked questions they were answered by all. Winging with enemies from the MA in beta like Cavalier, YUCCA, Wilbus, StSanta, Saw, Apar, Citabria and Ripsnort. Fllying against the Damned in Beta and having a blast.
What the hell happened?
I remember all of that. I remember when 2 of the "experten" parked 2 cvs (1 knit, 1 bish) on parallel courses, and a pointless furball raged for an hour or 2. Up, kill a couple, get whacked, rinse, repeat. No one in guns, no one trying to sink the other cv, just a big fight.
The path of least resistance, highest score, and most accolades happened- the war becoming the sole focus of gameplay, as opposed to a context in which to fight. Now, the goal is to avoid/prevent fights, in the name of aiding the war effort.
Anyway, that's my take.
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For a long time I thought it was essentially the same game as when I started. I started in late summer of 2001.
Just now I went back to some old BB posts. Real old.... like 99-2001. Yeah its different. Alot different. Alot of those old posts were derived from a true passion for the game. Not derived from a need to elevate ones self or knock another down.
I have seen HT say in the past that most players only play for a set amount of time. In other words.... Most players follow a set pattern.... i.e. Birth, Life, Then death. Its a cycle. Old players leave and new players join.
Has the player base simply gatherd a bunch of "Bad apples"? Is it our (the veterans) fault for not teaching the new players how to become at least some what respectfull while dealing with other players? Does that responsibility even fall on us? Heck I dunno. Geeze..... are the "New" players even the problem here?
I wonder if flight sims have a shelf life just like players do?
Here is a something that happend to me the other night.....
As many of you know I have taken time to do some training in the Dueling arena from time to time. It goes in spurts. I will train like crazy for a month or so then chill for a few months..... then start training again. I was doing alot of training early this year. I wana say around Febuary or so. At that time before each training session I would tell the perspective trainees that I didnt want to train jerks and that if/when they became badass pile-its I expected them to not become chitt talkers or turn into A-holes.
I told you that so I could tell you this.....
In the MA a few nights ago. I see some Jerk-off spewing on ch200 about his greatness. How "he can take anyone to the DA" and how "he is just that good" I dont recognize the cpid. Being a bit annoyed I throw out a comment or two on 200 basicly saying "yeah right, u are the greatest <--eye roll>" A minute or two passes and I get a PM. "hey are you the same Nomak that use to train me?" (cause we all know there is a six-pack of Nomak's running riot around AH :lol ) I say Yes. He then procedes, "I used to be so and so"......he then tells me how great he is and how he could "beat me" in the DA. This is one of the guys I had a talk with about not getting a 'tude before his training ever began back in feb. At the time I of course got the "oh yeah man.....Im not like that....." crap.
Unreal. Mabye this punk could wipe the floor with me in the DA and mabye not. The point is though...... I took my time to train this guy..... teach him the things that were never taught to me and then 6 months later hes telling me how he can "Kick my arse" How disrespectfull can someone be? Makes me sick really. Makes me not want to help people. Hes not the only one either. There have been others who devolop egos that are astounding. Anymore I dont even bother telling my trainees not to be A-Holes as I know most of them will be and my asking them not to be wont change anything.
None the less now a days I am trying to be a "Glass half full" kinda guy. I am refusing to talk smak on 200. Its time to lead by example. If we can get a good base of players who fly and die with respect then who knows one day soon we just might be the majority.
Those are my thoughts not yours..... lol
Dave
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Oh yeah..... for the record. It has nothing to do with what people fly.....Its how they fly it.
Dave
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I dont think it has anything to to with what people fly. I dont even think it has much to do with how old people are or how long theyve played this game. It has everything to do with attitude.
People want to *beat* each other, want to be 'better', the greatest... i 'pwnd' this or that guys in the DA, aint i the BEST???? For most, its not about the fight anymore, only about the kill, hence the get-the-kill-no-matter-how.
Im by no means one of the 'old guys', heck, im still a newbie at this game. But i found that those 'good days' you always talk about are still there. You just have to go look for them. Ive had many chats on PM with the 'enemy' (YESSSSS im a SPY!!!), setting up fights, sending back and forth, helping each other out or just saying 'hello, howdy'. And ive had many good fights (win or, mostly, loose).
Side note: I immensly enjoy channel 200. Its hilarious. Best soap opera ever! Just dont take anything said there serious.
And yes, ive been HOd, and yes ive been cherrypicked, and yes, ive been gangbanged by 5 LA7 (HO of course). But hey, if it gets too bad, i do something else for a while, grab a GV, supply runs, buffs.... or i just go DA or TA to fool around.
Dave: Dont stop training people. If you only helped one guy that doesnt turn into an A*****, it was already worth it.
Edit: I forgot something very important: .....
*Mine's* BIGGER!! ;)
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Stats, ranks and perks.
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Perks had nothing to do with it. AH now has exactly the same "gameplay" as AW did during it's last three years. AH's "ma" is a twin to AW's "BigPORK" all over again and with an unrestrained, jeuvinile "RR" atmosphere.
I suggest YOU (any person who thinks "perks" were the cause) truly "think" about why AH gameplay is the way it is today.
"What the hell happened?"
Several things IMO. Mainly the influx of AW players, the change in price to $15/mo, the lack of online "gameops" and the age old "melee" arena design being the only item on the menu while new competition from more online multiplayer games came about.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I think it has something to do with the average age of the Online Gamer.
Agreed
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Dave: Dont stop training people. If you only helped one guy that doesnt turn into an A*****, it was already worth it.
Let me second that thought .
Bronk
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Westy! How are you? Neglected to put your name on the "list" of gentlemen I've winged with in Betas' Sorry...getting old LOL. Toad too!
Note: The people I listed I consider gentlemen. Maybe some in the game should find the word gentleman in their Websters if they have one.
Well ....Cit would go nuts once in awhile......but he matured greatly as his stay in the game lengthed. Miss his high 38 above me.......knew I would be toast in a few minutes. But the fight was the key. How many white knuckle one on ones have you been in lately?
Anyone heard from Moss?
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Originally posted by Nomak
Oh yeah..... for the record. It has nothing to do with what people fly.....Its how they fly it.
Dave
smack, there it is.
hes right, we all argue over hos and stuff, and then the little 10 yr old seem to think that talking smack'll get you noticed. i think nomak has the right idea, we have to lead by example. who's up for a good old fashioned pact???
we all have to agree that this week will be 'no smack week':lol
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Originally posted by Nomak
For a long time I thought it was essentially the same game as when I started. I started in late summer of 2001.
Just now I went back to some old BB posts. Real old.... like 99-2001. Yeah its different. Alot different. Alot of those old posts were derived from a true passion for the game. Not derived from a need to elevate ones self or knock another down.
I have seen HT say in the past that most players only play for a set amount of time. In other words.... Most players follow a set pattern.... i.e. Birth, Life, Then death. Its a cycle. Old players leave and new players join.
Has the player base simply gatherd a bunch of "Bad apples"? Is it our (the veterans) fault for not teaching the new players how to become at least some what respectfull while dealing with other players? Does that responsibility even fall on us? Heck I dunno. Geeze..... are the "New" players even the problem here?
I wonder if flight sims have a shelf life just like players do?
Here is a something that happend to me the other night.....
As many of you know I have taken time to do some training in the Dueling arena from time to time. It goes in spurts. I will train like crazy for a month or so then chill for a few months..... then start training again. I was doing alot of training early this year. I wana say around Febuary or so. At that time before each training session I would tell the perspective trainees that I didnt want to train jerks and that if/when they became badass pile-its I expected them to not become chitt talkers or turn into A-holes.
I told you that so I could tell you this.....
In the MA a few nights ago. I see some Jerk-off spewing on ch200 about his greatness. How "he can take anyone to the DA" and how "he is just that good" I dont recognize the cpid. Being a bit annoyed I throw out a comment or two on 200 basicly saying "yeah right, u are the greatest <--eye roll>" A minute or two passes and I get a PM. "hey are you the same Nomak that use to train me?" (cause we all know there is a six-pack of Nomak's running riot around AH :lol ) I say Yes. He then procedes, "I used to be so and so"......he then tells me how great he is and how he could "beat me" in the DA. This is one of the guys I had a talk with about not getting a 'tude before his training ever began back in feb. At the time I of course got the "oh yeah man.....Im not like that....." crap.
Unreal. Mabye this punk could wipe the floor with me in the DA and mabye not. The point is though...... I took my time to train this guy..... teach him the things that were never taught to me and then 6 months later hes telling me how he can "Kick my arse" How disrespectfull can someone be? Makes me sick really. Makes me not want to help people. Hes not the only one either. There have been others who devolop egos that are astounding. Anymore I dont even bother telling my trainees not to be A-Holes as I know most of them will be and my asking them not to be wont change anything.
None the less now a days I am trying to be a "Glass half full" kinda guy. I am refusing to talk smak on 200. Its time to lead by example. If we can get a good base of players who fly and die with respect then who knows one day soon we just might be the majority.
Those are my thoughts not yours..... lol
Dave
Nomake, if i were you, id take him into the DA and smack him around! I had only been in the MA around 4 months before i left, and when i did leave, i had gotten a lot of compliments about how respectful i was to people in all 3 countries! Not trying to sound like a arse, just saying that if you repsect people, you will get respect back. You dont gain respect by shooting down 10 planes and landing it, NO, on the contrary! You gain respect by someone for an excellent fight, and not talk trash to them about how they cheated and such. My weapon to fighting bashers on channel 200, is, i dont even bother going on channel 200. Why waste my time listening to people say how good they are, when id rather SHOW them, how really good they arent by taking bases or something!
Was never trained by you Nomake, but i have a lot of respect for you sir! <>
Egle31
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I haven't been with AH all that long really. What maybe 3 years now? Flew in WB before that. And MSCFS arenas before that (the cheats and such in that place were BAD). Looked at Fighter Ace but declined it. Never upped in AW.
Smack talking IMHO is a big part of the problem. Many of the OLDER players do it from time to time. Most of us don't have a problem with em cause we KNOW em. And sometimes it's funny, perhaps silly, and fun. Thing is some of the younger set in the MA see it and then take it too far. A one up thing?
Not saying everyone should be nicey nice mind you. But i've seen stuff come out on 200 that IMHO INVITES the "attitude".
Lately when they start I've thanked them for noticing me. Not anywhere sure such is the right thing to do, but so far it has shut em up. Pretty sure at some point someone will leap all over the thank you though.
Possible fix? When you see that attitude displayed and know where that person is, UP MANY MANY AND HUNT THEM DOWN.
If that person is flying within your country you might wanna relate that on PM to someone you know as to that location and when that person gets jumped and starts screamin for help a possible reply is "HUH? why DUDE you're all THAT! RIGHT? so handle it :D I'll just watch and learn from what I see :D
Possible fix but ???????? Sort of a self policeing thing?
hmmmm.............Might be a totaly bad idea. Not sure there is a GOOD answer.
But it could create so really intense furballs?
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Originally posted by Hajo
Fllying against the Damned in Beta and having a blast.
What the hell happened?
Nowadays it's increasingly difficult to fly with The Damned. :cry
DmdMax
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I think I might chime in on this one. Being one of the older members having returned to the game (2+ years absent). First thing I did when I logged in was see the peeps I knew from way back when. I started AH on tour 5, and flew consistenly for 2 years. Back when AH was in its infancy if the MA had 80 peeps on that was a huge night. The figths win or lose usually followed with
nice fight or GK. Trash talking around? Sure there was, but I also think the average age of an AH'er back then was a lot higher.
I came back Saturday night, and had to get re-adjusted to the game physics. Last night, one lone fellow decided he didn't like me and started to spout off (apparently killing him 18 times to 1 death wasn't fun). But it was the simple juvenile claims by him that have changed the aspect of good sportsmanship.
I enjoyed flying with the guys I knew and flew with before I left and has brought me back to a game that I loved and enjoyed. I am pleased with the graphics upgrade Hitech has done, oh and added rockets to my beloved 190 F8. You take what is given to you and try and make the best of it. Bad apples or not, you will always have one that sits behind the computer and spouts off because he/she feels empowered by something they can't have in real life.
My 2 pesos worth.
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Hajo :) No problem. Never thought of myself as much of an online gentleman - boardswise anyway ;)
To be serious that was an honorable title shared by the likes of you, MarkAT, good ole Mossback, Indian, Lephturn, most of the 13TAS/357th (even though I HATED seeing them above me when online and discussing things with them in the OT pHoRuM) and so many more.
Back to your original post? Even if the MA had not changed so dramatically I personally grew bored (to tears!) with the fantasy MA environment. I'd started off in the early 90's with the "Aces of..." series pc games and then joined up with AW during the "Bigweek" tests and stayed on thru the dawn of the AW autoscenarios (ancestor to the AH "TOD"). When bigweek petered out and the autoscenarios tanked from lack of development and resources the AW "ma" style of gameplay (and later AH's) could only satisfy myself for a few years. Now my interest is rekindled all a new with HTC's "TOD."
Also, to be fair to all there was smack talk in AH from the beginning. However, IMO, as the AH population grew and new influences on the MA atmopshere were introduced (see below*) the arena atmosphere and gameplay dropped out like it had fallen off a cliff.
Anyway.... there's no going back. hope to see you in TOD!!
(*O'where, o'where did all those ex-RR arena denizens, with thier pork'n auger "prowess" and now unrestrained verbal diahrea, go play? I wonder. Was it WB's? No. Jay Littman saw to that ;). Was it FA? Nope. WWIIO? A few did but that game was (and is again) in such a sorry state in 2001 and it's performance so horrendous that AW's with thier PII's couldn' swing it. Could it have been .......)
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Originally posted by wrag
Possible fix? When you see that attitude displayed and know where that person is, UP MANY MANY AND HUNT THEM DOWN.
If that person is flying within your country you might wanna relate that on PM to someone you know as to that location and when that person gets jumped and starts screamin for help a possible reply is "HUH? why DUDE you're all THAT! RIGHT? so handle it :D I'll just watch and learn from what I see :D
Possible fix but ???????? Sort of a self policeing thing?
hmmmm.............Might be a totaly bad idea. Not sure there is a GOOD answer.
But it could create so really intense furballs?
We did something like this in my last game, for folks that got out of hand. It fixes things pretty fast.
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What I miss:
The overpowering sense of wonder that I'm as close to flying a WWII bird as I'll get in a hostile world populated by likeminded people who want to kill me.
AH was my first true multiplayer experience and I still get tingles when I think about it; this new world I discovered. After 5 years it became hard not to take it for granted and to be honest the onset of burn-out was rapidly approaching.
I just want to thank those who replied to my post, I took your advice and spent some time away from the game. After 2 months or so absent the game feels fresh again.
As regards the current state of play in the MA, I've got a feeling it's to do with the numbers. Basically there's a lot of cons about; kinda like the difference between wwi and wwii. In one you shoot a guy down, get him picked up and chat over tea and crumpets: the other, well, kill him till he's dead then kill him again. Smack talk's always been here as far as I can recall but I've got a feeling that some of the guys today actually mean what they type, which is saddening. Pizza guy should be a sticky I reckon.
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I want AH1 back. To us nonskilled players who like to just play regardless of the realism. AH1 was MUCH more fun and thats why I played now it is a chore and I really ONLY come out for the PEOPLE but the game has suffered so much because of all the changes that made it harder to get kills. Here are a couple things that come to mind.
1) The tracers used to be VERY Visable now they disappear instantly.
2) The HIT SPRITS were ez to see and you used to be able to see them on the dash of the plane. I used to be able to make deflection shots but not anymore. I have only 1 eye and my 3D perception is zero.
3) The enemy plane icon was ON TOP of the plane. And 1 eyeed people like me could use it to help with deflection shots. But not any more.
4) Icons low in GV and enemys plane were almost alwas visable. Now if I take my eye off that dot down there for even a second to check 6 or whatever, I seem to lose all my E looking for that little dot and trying to reaccuire the target.
5) Kills equals fun. AH1 was fun.
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Originally posted by Westy
Hajo :) No problem. Never thought of myself as much of an online gentleman - boardswise anyway ;)
To be serious that was an honorable title shared by the likes of you, MarkAT, good ole Mossback, Indian, Lephturn, most of the 13TAS/357th (even though I HATED seeing them above me when online and discussing things with them in the OT pHoRuM) and so many more.
Back to your original post? Even if the MA had not changed so dramatically I personally grew bored (to tears!) with the fantasy MA environment. I'd started off in the early 90's with the "Aces of..." series pc games and then joined up with AW during the "Bigweek" tests and stayed on thru the dawn of the AW autoscenarios (ancestor to the AH "TOD"). When bigweek petered out and the autoscenarios tanked from lack of development and resources the AW "ma" style of gameplay (and later AH's) could only satisfy myself for a few years. Now my interest is rekindled all a new with HTC's "TOD."
Also, to be fair to all there was smack talk in AH from the beginning. However, IMO, as the AH population grew and new influences on the MA atmopshere were introduced (see below*) the arena atmosphere and gameplay dropped out like it had fallen off a cliff.
Anyway.... there's no going back. hope to see you in TOD!!
(*O'where, o'where did all those ex-RR arena denizens, with thier pork'n auger "prowess" and now unrestrained verbal diahrea, go play? I wonder. Was it WB's? No. Jay Littman saw to that ;). Was it FA? Nope. WWIIO? A few did but that game was (and is again) in such a sorry state in 2001 and it's performance so horrendous that AW's with thier PII's couldn' swing it. Could it have been .......)
Come on Ken, how soon we forget :) Remember what BB wrote on Bigweek, when I asked the same question about where my 'glory days' had gone in AW? (can't find it in my stuff btw...hint hint hint)
I think the same applies here. The notion that somehow the quality of the people here has dropped from the 'glory days' of the earlier AH seems silly to me. I'd like to think there are lots of us who didn't drive right over after burning out in AW or elsewhere, that are doing our best to contribute to the game and the community.
I would suggest that the gameplay complaints still fall back to the focus on land grab. You mentioned FR Big Pork. To me as soon as AW went to capture it all, the gameplay changed. Air to air was no longer what the game was about, and AH has followed that same pattern.
I think back to my 'glory days' in AW. The fights were high over the river or the big lake, the vulchers were all confined to the VoD and looked on with disdain, the buffers were going deep to the Spit factory and the goal was to be a good fighter stick.
All that being said, I'm having a great time in AH, flying with a good bunch of guys, dying often in my 38G and just not taking it nearly as seriously as I used to when AW would drive me nuts. It's all about perspective I guess :)
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anyone that brags how good they are is just setting themselves up to be knocked down hard.(motocross will teach one that) someone always waiting on you with your nuber. I am here not to be a virtual pilot, although it does seem to happin from time to time, im here, for a bit of fun, and a good laugh, nuthing more, nuthing less. And by golly i normally get my 15 clams worth. Have fun, make the emeny mad, (yes thats part of war) He may make a dumb decision ifluff'n he mad. Just like real. And ALWAYS remember what brung you here on day 1. most of us were thinking, "hey this might be fun" i hope everyone finds what they are looking for, i did. AS YOU WERE GENTS.:)
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For the record nomak, your wrong. A lot of people come here to see plane match-ups, and you used to be able to see that in MA, without having to go to CT.
I don't have a problem shooting down la7's, they aren't unbeatable. Ask Shane how our talley this month is p38=4, La7=0. I just don't really like the la7 being the only plane I ever fight.
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Originally posted by Lazerr
For the record nomak, your wrong. A lot of people come here to see plane match-ups, and you used to be able to see that in MA, without having to go to CT.
I don't have a problem shooting down la7's, they aren't unbeatable. Ask Shane how our talley this month is p38=4, La7=0. I just don't really like the la7 being the only plane I ever fight.
Interesting to note, just looking at our Squad stats.
The planes we've run into the most and killed are as follows:
La7 374 kills
Spit V 295 kills
N1K 291 kills
Spit IX 227 kills
Next closest is the 51D at 170 kills.
Personally I'd have said it was N1Ks since that's what I seem to find all the time, but clearly the LA7 seems to be the one. Now we fly mostly 38s, so I don't know if that makes a difference. The LA7 crowd has 181 kills against us too. No one else in triple figures. Next closest is the N1K with 98 kills against us.
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Originally posted by Lazerr
For the record nomak, your wrong. A lot of people come here to see plane match-ups, and you used to be able to see that in MA, without having to go to CT.
I respect your opinion Lazer.... we are all entitled to our own. I, of course still choose to disagree.
Dave
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Nomake, if i were you, id take him into the DA and smack him around! ........
Egle31
A year ....or even six months ago I would have.
There really isnt much point though. The "go to the DA to settle a grudge" really doesnt achieve anything. If I win I am still pissed at him for what he said to start the whole thing. If I lose he rubbs it in my face. Either way we dont come out the backside as friends.
I have made to many enemys in this game over the years as it is. I dont need to make more. It really doesnt matter to me that much. It took me a long time to figure out that I really dont have to "prove" myself to anyone in this game.
I will at this point probably never duel him just to avoid the above scenairo.
thx for your other nice comments!
Dave
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Interesting to note, just looking at our Squad stats.
The planes we've run into the most and killed are as follows:
La7 374 kills
Spit V 295 kills
N1K 291 kills
Spit IX 227 kills
Of course the two Spits together total 522 and for MA purposes they're pretty much the same plane.
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Originally posted by Westy
Perks had nothing to do with it. AH now has exactly the same "gameplay" as AW did during it's last three years. AH's "ma" is a twin to AW's "BigPORK" all over again and with an unrestrained, jeuvinile "RR" atmosphere.
I suggest YOU (any person who thinks "perks" were the cause) truly "think" about why AH gameplay is the way it is today.
"What the hell happened?"
Several things IMO. Mainly the influx of AW players, the change in price to $15/mo, the lack of online "gameops" and the age old "melee" arena design being the only item on the menu while new competition from more online multiplayer games came about.
still bitter at AW i see.... you've always seemed the box-sim type anyway. what's your latest game-fad du jour with all the newest eyecandy that you so crave?
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Originally posted by Treize69
The slow inexorable slide of Western Civilization?
i like this guy.
trieze give me a shout in the combat theatre, we might want to recruit you :)
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I'm having just as much fun as I was having during the beta. If you're not having a good time maybe it's time for a little self-examination, take a break or something.
As to the title of the thread. Things I miss...
Sheep
UFO's, Giant Squids, etc...
Bomb craters taking out landing gear
The ability to take a base with only 2 people
Rock solid gameplay and connections, hopefully the new server will take care of that.
HTC dudes in the arena, fly'n, die'n, answering questions, taking feedback, etc...
Otherwise, it's still the same ol' AH I have known and loved for years.
HTC
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"I went back to some old BB posts. Real old.... like 99-2001. Yeah its different. Alot different. Alot of those old posts were derived from a true passion for the game."
Absolutely.
Dan, I recall BB's posts about "Golden Years" (and more) very well. FWIW that post and a lot of others were on that DVD of AW files I'd mailed you (and Brooke) several moons ago. I can resend if you'd like (that specific post have been posted on these boards a few times to btw). Anyway.
But yes. One can even see someone with a severe case of BB's "Golden Years" syndrome when reading comments from old AW players like "HR." ;) For "Golden Years" people nothing replaces thier first experience. It effects some worse than others.
I'm personally am all for change and advancement. I can't stand stagnation and "maintenance mode." In all honesty when the game doesn't change, the players do. It happened in AW and for many AH was a breath of fresh air with all the advances and features it had over AW. But that stagnation also happened in AH and in WB's. Although with WB's thier players just upped and left..
For sure there are a few such as yourself, Brooke and a few others who would like to change/help AH from within via contributions. I'm not minimizing your efforts nor the contributions of anyone but in the past there were a lot more who did and were willing to than there are now. All IMO of course.
I'm also not saying that the quality was entirely better "back then." IMO it was more concentrated. Since day 01 there was jerks and smacktards in AH. Two week free trial mah_roons were the rare players who would occasionally dive-bomb with a med/heavy bomber or do the ole pork-n-auger on a target. Truth was it was rare. Very rare.
Fast forward past three years, cricumstance outside of AH and the rare act of idiocy has become an arena mainstay. The new influx brought with then thier own gameplay. There are still quality players but IMO thier numbers have been heavily diluted by the shear number of path-of-least-resistance, the ends-justify the means, downright lazy kind of arcade player.
Anyway, I personally feel my "golden ears" have yet to come. I still play online a few nights per week. That's not by choice but due to a lack of free time. And I'm still here looking and waiting for an "Aces over the Pacific/Europe, EAW, IL2:Online" kind of MMPOG and I believe "TOD" will be that. I've never been a fan of fantastical MA style crowd around and have a slap-fest gameplay. It's just that night after night of calling people names or making up excuses for being shot down in a 2,3,4,5 or 6on1 and then calling others, lame slobber donkeys was never my kind of thing.
I think I ended up rambling on and bouncing around a bit but then again that's nothing new either...
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Originally posted by Westy
I'm still here looking and waiting for an "Aces over the Pacific/Europe, EAW, IL2:Online" kind of MMPOG and I believe "TOD" will be that.
Don't get your hopes up... there is whining now when 'death' just means a re-up with nothing lost. Wait until these people have to 'work' for their rides and their personas, I guarantee you whining and other bs will be far more prevelent.
Besides, I'm comparing TOD to AW's Vietnam Fighters, I will believe it when it is released.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I think it has something to do with the average age of the Online Gamer.
I've often wondered what the "average" age of AH players is. I've only been playing for about a year and a half, but it seems to me like I see alot more whining and "smack" talking than I did when I first started.
I'd guess the average age of the smack talkers and whiners is down in the teens and low 20's. I say this because having been a high school teacher for the last 12+ years, I'm very familiar with the younger crowd and their increasing inability to take responsibility for their own actions, and always looking to blame things on others. For that reason, it seems like when they die, they always need to announce it on ch. 200 and the fact that it wasn't their fault.
"Nice ram, dweeb!"
"skill-less HO dweeb!"
"I was AFK..."
"Cherry pickin' vulchin' HO 'tard!"
If they feel the need to announce the fact that they got killed to the rest of the AH community, it's be nice to see someone be honest for a change:
"Wow, my SA really sucks, and I was shot down in a really skillful high speed pass by XXX..."
Regardless of age, it seems like some of the players with high "rank" also feel the need to justify it to everybody else when they are killed. I still wonder if they realize that if they'd just be quiet, very few would know that they even died.
Oh well, just my two cents worth.......and for the record I'm "middle aged" (46).
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Originally posted by Aubrey
We did something like this in my last game, for folks that got out of hand. It fixes things pretty fast.
LoL Shane would be hunted contineously.
:eek: :O :D
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Originally posted by Delirium
Don't get your hopes up... there is whining now when 'death' just means a re-up with nothing lost. Wait until these people have to 'work' for their rides and their personas, I guarantee you whining and other bs will be far more prevelent.
Besides, I'm comparing TOD to AW's Vietnam Fighters, I will believe it when it is released.
c'mon you can wait two weeks.
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AH sorry nomak, must have been in a bad mood this morning.:eek: :furious
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Originally posted by Nomak
A year ....or even six months ago I would have.
There really isnt much point though. The "go to the DA to settle a grudge" really doesnt achieve anything. If I win I am still pissed at him for what he said to start the whole thing. If I lose he rubbs it in my face. Either way we dont come out the backside as friends.
I have made to many enemys in this game over the years as it is. I dont need to make more. It really doesnt matter to me that much. It took me a long time to figure out that I really dont have to "prove" myself to anyone in this game.
I will at this point probably never duel him just to avoid the above scenairo.
thx for your other nice comments!
Dave
i know it is none of my business but i would like to know who it is. :D
You da man nomak, we should meet up in DA and duel again sometime. was good fun :aok
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Originally posted by megadud
i know it is none of my business but i would like to know who it is. :D
It was me!!!
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As an additional note, the 2 premises I find most repulsive are that age and the low cost have anything to do with the quality of the community. Many of the most hateful and abusive avatards I've run across in the game were upper 20s to late 40s. Although there are some young kids I detest being around, and immediately squelch on vox, the majority of the assclowns are adults.
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Originally posted by Griego
LoL Shane would be hunted contineously.
:eek: :O :D
like i'm not already? :noid
and no need to PM others for a posrep on me. just as *me* :aok
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Good Post Hajo!!
Alot has happened in AH. It has developed quite a bit since the 'ol beta days. Boy do I miss those, and the beta maps....what a riot! The fun factor has changed quite a bit also.........
Hoping TOD will put some fun and some of that white knuckle flying back into it
;)
Rob53
The Flying Circus
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"Don't get your hopes up... there is whining now when 'death' just means a re-up with nothing lost. Wait until these people have to 'work' for their rides and their personas, I guarantee you whining and other bs will be far more prevelent."
No doubt but the whines on the boards never bothered me much at all. A source of amusement and fodder for ridicule is about all they were IMO. I just couldn't stand the skyrocketing "noise" level in the arena. However for TOD there won't be a channel 1 or 200 nor PM'ing between sides so THAT problem is nixxed from the git-go.
"Besides, I'm comparing TOD to AW's Vietnam Fighters...)
HEY! AW:Vietnam wasn't vaporware. I've got the cobbled screenshots, artistic renders and the interview with Arnold to prove it wasn't. ;)
"I will believe it when it is released."
I'm not worried about it being released. I think it wil over the next few months. What I am concerned about is how much of the AH "ma" will it have and how well the immersion one might experience playing it will be.
For me the whole crux of AW/WB/AH are the WWII pilots, aircraft and the combat of that war. I've never understood the appeal of a fantasy anything-vs-anything environment. If most people seem to want pseudo-aircombat in a fantastical, "RR" slap-fest type of arena why hasn't someone clued into that and come out with "Crimson Skies Online"?
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Originally posted by Lazerr
AH sorry nomak, must have been in a bad mood this morning.:eek: :furious
No worrys Lazer..... I wasnt offended. ;)
Dave