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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on October 19, 2005, 12:07:45 AM
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Stuff is absolutely going to blow up in the next, what, few days?....
Curious: Why no mention?
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Most people think it will happen after the results of the next presidential election.
However, I'll give hillary a month before the revolution happens.
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I don't know what world you're living in - or what that meant.
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Wait, you saying blow up literally? Or figuratively?
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In yer case I'm inclined to draw a piktur.
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You're going to have to forgive me, I don't have a television.
So...
What the **** choo talkin bout willis?
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Originally posted by Nash
Stuff is absolutely going to blow up in the next, what, few days?....
Curious: Why no mention?
No time. Been furiously polishing the ammo.
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He's obviously talking about the upcoming trial of Saddam, as well as the Iraqi vote on the constitution.
:D
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what, you think they ain't polishing their ammo in iraq?
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Originally posted by Nash
I don't know what world you're living in ]
It`s the planet earth. You should drop in sometime...or maybe not.
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The trial of Saddam? Like i've said before, it's going to be the shortest trial in all of history.
Who wants me to post my reenactment of it?
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politics musta died in canada a long time ago... even nash isn't interested in canadian politics.
lazs
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My opinion, watch for a jail break or a big bomb.
Either could happen.
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No. They're going to hang him right in the court room. Either that or shoot him the moment someone says guilty.
The funny thing would be if they didn't allow his lawyers to leave. Ever.
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enter Jonny Cockoran.....
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Is this an extension of the political explosion in T minus thread several months back where one of you Moore lefties claimed it was all over and Nash got all giggley over the Rove/Plume thingy? Canadian politics is an Oxymoron...Nash has fantasies about being allowed back into the US to vote someday, but his draft dodging status hasn't been forgiven yet?
TJ
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Originally posted by AWMac
enter Jonny Cockoran.....
Johnny's dead... unless that's on appeal.
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Hypothetical:
If Cheney resigns - who will Bush appoint?
Condi? Someone else?
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Ozzy.
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Hillary, of course. Unless Miers gets turned down for SC... then it could be Miers... unless Al Gore is still looking for a job.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Ozzy.
Someone that can make Bush look smart. :aok
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BOOM!
There goes one crook. (http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4154/557/1600/Delayarrestwarrant.jpg)
Only the majority leader of the House. No big thang.
This is gonna be like Christmas... every day.
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Weird... You sure?
(yer right - the server is swamped or something - or it got pulled on account of it. It was the arrest warrant.)
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Same for me. Though I'm still not swayed by the politics of Earle.
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Who cares? Law is law.
It's the funny thing about the push-back. Hilarious even.
Law doesn't listen to politics.
It doesn't give a crap.
Law is law. It will do as it does.
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get any on yah?
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eh?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Someone that can make Bush look smart. :aok
Easy......... Put a Democrat next to him.
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Originally posted by Nash
BOOM!
There goes one crook.
Only the majority leader of the House. No big thang.
This is gonna be like Christmas... every day.
Usually a conviction is required before one is declared guilty.
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Originally posted by Nash
Who cares? Law is law.
It's the funny thing about the push-back. Hilarious even.
Law doesn't listen to politics.
It doesn't give a crap.
Law is law. It will do as it does.
You got to be kidding, would be nice.
shamus
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Usually a conviction is required before one is declared guilty.
Unless your Clinton.
shamus
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Then it takes 4 convictions.
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Not in Nashworld, unless you are a Democrat. Then, of course, it would be required.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Then it takes 4 convictions.
How so?
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Originally posted by Nash
Who cares? Law is law.
It's the funny thing about the push-back. Hilarious even.
Law doesn't listen to politics.
It doesn't give a crap.
Law is law. It will do as it does.
until you talk about purgery of Frmr President Clinton. Then it's the definition of "is" and "he never should have been asked the question to begin with"
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
until you talk about purgery of Frmr President Clinton. Then it's the definition of "is" and "he never should have been asked the question to begin with"
Did I miss the conviction?
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
Did I miss the conviction?
shamus
He was held in contempt of the court in the Paula Jones case and when he did not contest it, he was fined $25K and disbarred from practicing Arkansas law.
IIRC that was a technical conviction.
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Originally posted by Nash
This is gonna be like Christmas... every day.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
He was held in contempt of the court in the Paula Jones case and when he did not contest it, he was fined $25K and disbarred from practicing Arkansas law.
IIRC that was a technical conviction.
How'd the cigar make out?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
How'd the cigar make out?
Ask the purple blouse at the cleaners.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Did I miss the conviction?
shamus
Wasn't he also impeached by the house? I beleive that's a conviction as well. either way read Nash's statement again.
Originally posted by Nash
Who cares? Law is law.
It's the funny thing about the push-back. Hilarious even.
Law doesn't listen to politics.
It doesn't give a crap.
Law is law. It will do as it does.
No talk of conviction here. My statement stands: until you talk about purgery of Frmr President Clinton. Then it's the definition of "is" and "he never should have been asked the question to begin with"
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Clinton did the crime, and he did the time - as was pointed out.
He lied about a blow job, got fined, got impeached, and got disbarred.
It's an almost perfect example. Rational people may say: "But he just lied about a blow job." Indeed.
And rational people may have issues with the fact that an investigation into a real estate deal became this giant partisan witch hunt costing millions of dollars and only ending up with a lie about a blow job - which ended up in impeachment....
But that's almost the beauty of it. Law is like a machine. Mechanisms are on automatic: If (a) happens, then (b) is the result. It's almost scripted, and most definitely deaf to its surroundings.
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The law is not just a machine, it's also a tool that be abused and can be used to effectivly destroy people's lives mearly by charges being filed. It also can be used a political weapon. I couldn't care less about DeLay as a person, and if he's guilty I say throw the book at him.
I've had my doubts about this whole thing from the begining, when he was first indicted for something that wasn't even a crime. How jacked up does the prosecutor have to be to make that big of a mistake? After all of his efforts, he comes up with a charge that wasn't even a crime. Maybe he's a little slow on getting facts and details?
Then they come up with the money laundering charge as there SECOND best case, next to their fist choice which was not even a crime. I'm guessing they are going to have a hard time making a case. We'll see.
Anyway, it's funny to see Nash foaming at the mouth over it and jumping for joy as if the guy is guilty based only on the charges that have been filed.
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Maybe you need to visit your optometrist for a stronger prescription, 'cuz I aint "foaming." I'm smiling.
Hey - where's that song, Nuke?
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lol Nash, I just get this sense that you have been giddy for about a week in anticipation of this. Too me it's not a big deal. I don't get really worked up weather a Dem or Repub gets into any trouble.......it's just not a big deal to me because it's just something that happens every few years it seems
The song needs to be taken from Sonic and mixed to an MP3. I was up at 5am working, got home at 5.45 and am too tired and lazy to figure out how to mix the thing right now. I'm probably going to have a light day tomorrow and will mix down and send it to you. I think I have a few more I can send you too.
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Yeah, I am giddy.
There's just something about a meteoric karmic explosion that makes me all happy inside.
Wrt the song - sounds like paint and glue excuses.
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You are a giddy guy then.
re the song, it's no excuse. I'm pretty honest about what I am able to do and in what time frame, including my models. I'm not going to tell you something and not follow through.
I can send you some right now if you can take .wave files. Otherwise I have to see about converting them to mp3.
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wav--->mp3 converter is a five minute process, tops.
download.com
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okay, I'll see about getting you a couple tonight. The one I was talking about is not one of them though, because I don't have that one mixed to .wav
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Nash, a little help? I went to download.com and got a bunch of crap. Can you point me to an mp3 burner thats good?
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It prolly aint the best. (http://www.download.com/4Musics-Multiformat-Converter/3000-2140_4-10367931.html?tag=lst-6-9)
But I just downloaded it, ran it, and checked.
It should work.
There's millions of others that do the same thing. Not hard to find.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Wasn't he also impeached by the house? I beleive that's a conviction as well. either way read Nash's statement again.
An impeachment is analogous to an indictment. In the Senate did not convict.
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I'll try it. So far I downloaded three mp3 rippers and they have all ended up only being able to rip from an audio CD, not a .wav.
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sent you an email Nash. I'm going to bed now.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
No talk of conviction here. My statement stands: until you talk about purgery of Frmr President Clinton. Then it's the definition of "is" and "he never should have been asked the question to begin with"
I guess I should have asked , "did I miss the perjury conviction" , you are making statements that seem to conclude that he commited perjury.
He hasn't been convicted of a crime that I can see, shall we apply the same standards to the current prez?
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
I guess I should have asked , "did I miss the perjury conviction" , you are making statements that seem to conclude that he commited perjury.
FYI: Clinton was never convicted of perjury. He was convicted of contempt by not contesting the ruling of the Paula Jones judge. The contempt was because of less than full and truthful testimony in the PJ civil case.
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Nash, you can be giddy about your fantasies all you want. Fact is all the left is dong now is giving us a huge amount of ammunition for the next elections.
Fact: Earl filed his first indictment for an incident that occurred in 2002 for a
crime that was not on the Texas books until 2003. Can't do that. It's called Ex-post facto. Not allowed.
Fact: When Delay's attorneys filed a motion to dismiss on this evidence he tried desperately to get the current conspiracy/money laundering charge through a second GJ on the last day their existence, they turned him down flat. Apparently he through quite a temper tantrum at the time.
Fact: He took his charges then to a GJ that was impanelled just earlier that day and rammed it through.
Fact: A member of that GJ spoke to the press and stated the only reason he voted for the indictment was that he doesn't like Delay. Not only is the fact that he admitted voting for an indictment regardless of the evidence wrong, speaking to the press is a crime.
When this story finally washes out Earl will be lucky if he isn't disbarred let alone keep his job as DA.
Anyone of any political stripe in this country should hope beyond hope that Delay is acquitted and that Earl is severely punished. If Earl gets away with this it will be open season on all politicians that ruffle the other sides feathers. That will begin a dark era in this country as good and decent people will never wish to enter the political arena. The side with the seediest lawyers will be the one to come out on top.
When the power of the prosecutors office can be used to destroy your political rivals we might as well be living in Stalin's Russia or Saddam's Iraq.
I would not trust either side with that kind of power.
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Originally posted by Shamus
I guess I should have asked , "did I miss the perjury conviction" , you are making statements that seem to conclude that he commited perjury.
He hasn't been convicted of a crime that I can see, shall we apply the same standards to the current prez?
shamus
He did commit pujery but wasn never conviction. The fact that he wasn't convicted isn't what we were discussing. AGAIN for the SECOND time. Read Nash's post that I was responding too IE the law is the law and my statement makes perfect sense. IF not quit spaming the thread with this irelevent post.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
He did commit pujery but wasn never conviction. The fact that he wasn't convicted isn't what we were discussing. AGAIN for the SECOND time. Read Nash's post that I was responding too IE the law is the law and my statement makes perfect sense. IF not quit spaming the thread with this irelevent post.
Well O great omnipotent one, you dont seem to get it..I dont care if you were responding to Nash, I was responding to you.
You may think perjury was commited, but without a conviction its just somthing bouncing around in your head.
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
Well O great omnipotent one, you dont seem to get it..I dont care if you were responding to Nash, I was responding to you.
You may think perjury was commited, but without a conviction its just somthing bouncing around in your head.
shamus
And because Al Capone was never convicted of murder, boot-legging, running prostitution or any number of other crimes EVERYONE knew he was involved in then I guess he was just a tax evader right?
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
When the power of the prosecutors office can be used to destroy your political rivals we might as well be living in Stalin's Russia or Saddam's Iraq.
l. m. f. a. o.
(http://www.dltk-holidays.com/thanksgiving/mkleen1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
And because Al Capone was never convicted of murder, boot-legging, running prostitution or any number of other crimes EVERYONE knew he was involved in then I guess he was just a tax evader right?
According to the law, yes.
Good thing we are not mob rule.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Well O great omnipotent one, you dont seem to get it..I dont care if you were responding to Nash, I was responding to you.
You may think perjury was commited, but without a conviction its just somthing bouncing around in your head.
shamus
no not bouncing. He lied to a federal grand jury. He admited he lied. I'm not saying he was convicted of perjury I'm saying he committed it.
It's kinda like saying OJ did it.
My whole response to was Nash's post about the law is the law and I responded with a definition of the word "is" statment. It fits, it's valid in it's context. I do not care if you want to discuss if he was convicted or not I was responding to Nash.
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Was my response to you satisfactory?
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It was perfect Nash. You are right the law is the law and the rebulcians talking points describes this as "the criminalization of politics" While true in many aspects, if whe he did broke the law well a court should convict him.
Again personally I don't think he or libby did anything out of malice, it's just politics. Probably not much different than past administrations. BUT, that shouldn't matter if he broke the law.
My response to your statment was that clinton blatently perjured himself but the political response was just what I said.
This might be the death of politics to me because I really don't care anymore, I have my own problems.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
...to me because I really don't care anymore, I have my own problems.
I hope not bad, Gun.
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Originally posted by Nash
I hope not bad, Gun.
nope not bad, just stuff that every person deals with when they balance a career and a family. We are moving to Texas in March and my current job here is requiring more of m professionally than I am willing to give/provide.
I've given up on devoting time/energy to politics because it just seems so bad right now. 06/08 might be different stories but I got other things in life to stress over. Is the country really going to suffer that much if Delay/Rove/libbey get indicted? Personally....I don't think so, it will be SNAFU.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
We are moving to Texas in March....
Jesus. That sucks. Sorry to hear it. My prayers are with you.
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Originally posted by Nash
Jesus. That sucks. Sorry to hear it. My prayers are with you.
Umm.....this is a volunteer move. It's either Texas, New Mexico, or me going to South Korea and my wife and kids stay here for a year.
I think I got the better end of the deal :aok
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What's going on?
Massive outsource?
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Look on the bright side Guns. You will be in Texas just in time to vote for Kinky Friedman.
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OK, if you havn't followed my life history on this board......I served 5 years active duty in the US Marines then got out. Then afeter 9/11 I served an additional year active reserves for eduring freedom.
By this time I was no longer single and had a wife and 2 kids to support and was unemployed. I started looking at re-enlisting. The corps didn't take well to people who got out and came back in so I was bound to lose about 4 years of seinority. The Air Force recruiter accross the hall gave me a better deal plus a better life style for my family wich was number one priority at the time.
I've been active duty air force for 3 years now with almost 10 years total time in service. I have few complaints. I volunteered for a duty that I've allways wanted to do and that was Drill Instructor. In the AF it's called MTI. I am going to train new USAF trainees in San Antonio Texas and couldnt be happier.
Hey it's better than Iraq or Korea.
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don't be kind to yer young puppies.
their lives may depend on it.
Good luck in Tejas, Senor!
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If he's proven guilty he should do the time. Just like Rostenkowski.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
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is it clean slate time yet?
oh, I do hope someone tells me when it's time to clean house and start over.
i would truly hate to miss that party.
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Clean slate time is comin' soon.... everyone's checkin' thier watches.
Problem is, nobody seems to have the foggiest idea of whom to clean slate with.
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Making any predictions? Just who and how many are going to jail? Enquiring minds want to know.
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Hard to say.
22 Indictments have been mentioned for a coupla weeks now, but that was before Judy found the June notes and Karl made another last ditch effort in front of the GJ.
But word on the street was that there were 22 possible indictments. Since then, two guys in Cheney's office have flipped. Which, funnily enough, tugs at your heartstrings, Toad. Because this is all about the lies told for going to war. You're aware of that little cabal, created to make the war palatable to everyone else, right? Well, that's pretty much at the heart of it. This is what we're talking about. A pack of lies, and a deck of cards crumbling.
Out of curiousity, do you know anything about Fitzgerald?
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Just wondered if in all your giggling, titillating excitement you had made up a program so you could track all the players.
Fitzgerald? Nope. I haven't really been following this too closely. You won't understand this but it's because I know it'll be what it will be. I have no input into DOJ proceedings. I can't write DOJ like I would a Congressman.
If indeed they lied... and it can be proven that they lied... I want everyone involved to be held fully accountable to the maximum extent of the law. I think you'll recall I've said that since the beginning.
I think the difference is that while you relish it and enjoy it, it will just disgust me. I don't find it funny in the least; it angers me exceedingly.
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Originally posted by Toad
Just wondered if in all your giggling, titillating excitement you had made up a program so you could track all the players.
Like a computer programer? Who writes software?
I aint that smart.
I just pay attention. That doesnt take brains, Toad, it just takes a concern. You lack it? Fine.
Fitzgerald? Nope. I haven't really been following this too closely. You won't understand this but it's because I know it'll be what it will be. I have no input into DOJ proceedings. I can't write DOJ like I would a Congressman.
You really have no idea, do you?
If indeed they lied... and it can be proven that they lied... I want everyone involved to be held fully accountable to the maximum extent of the law. I think you'll recall I've said that since the beginning.
Oooh geeze that's soooooooo honorable. Pfft. "If they are guilty, then punish them."
Get yer fat arse off the couch. If you want to talk to me about it - do your Golly-geened homework.
I think the difference is that while you relish it and enjoy it, it will just disgust me. I don't find it funny in the least; it angers me exceedingly. [/B]
Good! I HOPE it angers you! It should!
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I'm pretty much past the anger. If any of the Bush administration end up in front of the courts, I'm going to giggle like a school girl.
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I think the difference is that it always angers me when elected and appointed politicians and leaders break their trust.
See, it angers me when either party does it. Always has. That's apparently the difference.
As for discussing it with you, nah. You're taking a little too much vicarious pleasure in this.