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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Big G on October 20, 2005, 11:39:12 AM
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Anyone else noticed the amount of bish flying lalas and then trying to ho you?
Don't know why the sudden spike in this but it's been really noticable over the last couple of days, Not whining or anything, they pay thier cash and that's fine with me, shame though as there's a lot more enjoyment in this game to be had than just flying looking to ho folks.
Cheers
Big G
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no, you know what, i never noticed.....
:)
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I normally fly the Hurri 2c, but this month decided to try the LA5FN.
Hold my hands up and say that on some occasions I have HO'd in it, but will only do as last resort if I have been sucked into a turn fite that I'm losing, more often than not as keep forgetting I'm not in the Hurri, and if I feel the oncoming plane is inferior in build/strength.
Been getting used to the alt-swoop-alt tactic and using it to pop GV's with its ord.
So, guilty to some effect but not as a primary tactic.
To be honest, the HO has been widely "discussed" as long as I have been playing, 3 years or so, both in here and the now channel 200.
Smiggy (Bishop)
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Squad motto: HO-n-GO!!!
Give us some names man....names. ;)
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Like I said earlier, it's not my place to judge people or claim how to fly etc, just noticed a spike in ho's and lalas at the same time, heck, we all have to ho someone from time to time, but it's been really noticble the last couple of days and wondered if there's been an increase in new guys or something like that?
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Come fly Bish for a night and you will find that it is not exclusivly a Bish problem.
When I encounter an LA7 there are a few things I can almost count on.
1. The pilot will attempt the HO. In fact some have such a desire to HO that I've seen them stall their plane trying desperately to get their nose pointed at my nose when I try to avoid their HO.
2. If you are successful in avoiding their HO they will drop the nose and extend and extend and extend. At this point I will look for other targets.
It is the rare occasion that you meet a LA7 pilot how knows his plane and know how to fight and is willing to engage you. This can lead to some very intense and enjoyable combat. It is rare though, very rare.
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Reckon the best lala pilot I've come across yet is Joker2, what a pleasure it is to try and fight this guy, knows his stuff and is always a gentleman in the air. You always get a good fight from this guy and your lucky, very lucky if you don't end up in a parachute.
Joker2
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what ticks me off is when im trying to merge in the MA and get Ho'd...It seems no matter what I do to get a fair straight on merge, I ended up getting shot in the face...its really cheesy....Not suprsing ive spent the past week straight exclusively in tank town
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No it's not a "Bish" problem it's a skill problem. There is a certain Bish multi-winged squad who specializes in it however. Not naming any names.
cav58d I, Nomak, TC or someone will be glad to teach you how to avoid the HO. Anytime I'm on, just ask and we'll go to the DA.
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Can concur regarding Joker2, he's a squad mate of mine.
He was engaged in a 1v1 other day with Hurri, he was in la7.
Had been going on for ages, I unfortunately broke it up due to a mis-understanding. I called in on squad, asking if he was ok, asked 2nd time and got no response, figured he was in trouble and shot down the Hurri.
He explained was unable to answer as was in middle of dogfite and couldn't type.
Apologised to him and NME pilot for breaking up the long-standing duel.
No HO, no run, turn after turn after turn, neither one giving an inch.
Smiggy.
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I cant say that I have...but I do fly bish, but I will say that I have noticed an increase in this vile behavior by the rooks and nits.
shamus
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ruh roh.
not this again.
can I HO with a 110 instead?
RTR
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Can't speak for anyone else as I'm a rook right now but there's definately a bish group going round in lalas trying to head on folk, like I said it's a shame as there's loads you could be doing instead of just trying a ho.
My old Grandad used to tell me stories of jerries trying to ho him when he was in his old hurri, said that the only thing you could see was " a flash from it's bloody great big cannon" lo
ps. Said he also used to have his convergence set for around 100yds, to "settle in behind them nice and close" lol
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Originally posted by Big G
Reckon the best lala pilot I've come across yet is Joker2, what a pleasure it is to try and fight this guy, knows his stuff and is always a gentleman in the air. You always get a good fight from this guy and your lucky, very lucky if you don't end up in a parachute.
Joker2
There are parachutes in the game ? ... :confused:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
There are parachutes in the game ? ... :confused:
yeah, but you'd know them by their proper name...
meatbombs.
:aok
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Originally posted by Big G
Like I said earlier, it's not my place to judge people or claim how to fly etc, just noticed a spike in ho's and lalas at the same time, heck, we all have to ho someone from time to time, but it's been really noticble the last couple of days and wondered if there's been an increase in new guys or something like that?
You JUST noticed?
I've been noticing it for over a year.
But its not limited to Bish only. but Rooks too.
I would imagine Knit LALA drivers areant any different either.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that if Im about to fight a LALA he at some point is going to try to HO me
Seems to be their main tactic.
I see HO attempts in other planes too. More often then not from names I dont recognise (noobs?) But LALAs are by far the most frequent and dont seem to be limited to newbies
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Whats funny is that the LaLa's guns aren't worth watermelon unless inside 400d ... so all that HO stuff is nothing but a waste.
If they miss the HO (which is usually 99.99999% when HOing me), if they don't continue to fly straight and fast ... they are dead within 1 turn.
For the most part ... LaLa's are for the skilless.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Whats funny is that the LaLa's guns aren't worth watermelon unless inside 400d ... so all that HO stuff is nothing but a waste.
If they miss the HO (which is usually 99.99999% when HOing me), if they don't continue to fly straight and fast ... they are dead within 1 turn.
For the most part ... LaLa's are for the skilless.
actually wouldnt that be 800 in a HO?
Agreed though. Doesnt take a great deal of skill to fly and get kills in a lala
Good newbie or feild defence plane.
just a step up from a spit
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You JUST noticed?
I've been noticing it for over a year.
But its not limited to Bish only. but Rooks too.
I would imagine Knit LALA drivers areant any different either.
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that if Im about to fight a LALA he at some point is going to try to HO me
Seems to be their main tactic.
I see HO attempts in other planes too. More often then not from names I dont recognise (noobs?) But LALAs are by far the most frequent and dont seem to be limited to newbies
For a moment there, I thought you were describing our two fights. You know, the ones you run away from saing "what did you expect me to do? Fight you i a 190?"
:rofl
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Shane fights in his lala, but he doesn't do very well.;)
Sniffffffffffffffffffffffff
4-0 baby, remember that lalaqueen.:cool:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Whats funny is that the LaLa's guns aren't worth watermelon unless inside 400d ... so all that HO stuff is nothing but a waste.
If they miss the HO (which is usually 99.99999% when HOing me), if they don't continue to fly straight and fast ... they are dead within 1 turn.
For the most part ... LaLa's are for the skilless.
< LaLa's are for the skilless, Thanks alot , the La 7 is my favorite plane , ya Dork ! :mad:
CHECKERS
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No it's not a "Bish" problem it's a skill problem. There is a certain Bish multi-winged squad who specializes in it however. Not naming any names.
:D
knew it would be said and knew a BK would say it:aok
Some of you guys have never let me down and for that i U:rolleyes:
Fungi
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Agree on Joker2. He is actually fun to fight like Shane. ;)
If the shoe fits eh fungi? :p
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Originally posted by Lazerr
Shane fights in his lala, but he doesn't do very well.;)
Sniffffffffffffffffffffffff
4-0 baby, remember that lalaqueen.:cool:
remember what? the two gangbangs and one proxy? with only one actual kill being semi-honest?
ok.
:aok
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lol r u kidding? we even changed our name to ho expertant for a while
All in fun bro
Fungi
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Dunno about specialist LA HO squads but I intentionally ram anyone in an LA if I cant shoot them. My therapist said its due to perfectly logical hatred of bananas, and that I should get out of his office.
Hope this helps.
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one you were 5k off my 6, you check 6'd me on ch200 and I turned and engaged you. What happened from there was all that matters. :lol
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Ive never won a HO. Ive been told I really *suck* at HOs. Ive been told my plane is not good enough for HOs.... BUT I LOVE MY HURRI1!!!!!!!!!!!!
to all the LaLas i shot!
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Dip thanks for the offer, but I understand how to avoid a HO...I guess I just to much faith into my fellow MA'ers and need 2 realize it isnt the TA and there is no such thing is a no ho merge
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Problem is.....
Even if you turn to AVOID the HO... You get turned into with guns blazing..
This isnt just a "Bish group" This is everyone.....
I've HO'd, We all have HO'd
When a plane comes from 5k out with a chance to break and never does, Its a HODOWN.....
Everyone better look in the mirror here, cause its only a problem to the myopic few who think everyone in MA should fly level so they can shoot you down....
Buy a clue fellas....
What cracks me up is the 25k "Unnamed squad that is all self proclaimed Aces" that feel the only way to fly is high....
Come on down, Let me HO ya again!
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Originally posted by dedalos
For a moment there, I thought you were describing our two fights. You know, the ones you run away from saing "what did you expect me to do? Fight you i a 190?"
:rofl
Son you have a poor memory.
First I havent flown the 190 cept once or twice in almost a year.
and for the other I would NEVER say "what did you expect me to do? Fight you in a 190?"
what I would have said is.
"what did you expect me to do? TURN Fight you in a 190?"
And by Turn fight I would have ment for an extended period of time.
If I was running it was to get some E back or I was out of ammo.
I dont run from a fight just to run from a fight
and just what does our fights have to do with HO's?
Unless you wee trying to HO ME
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Son you have a poor memory.
First I havent flown the 190 cept once or twice in almost a year.
and for the other I would NEVER say "what did you expect me to do? Fight you in a 190?"
what I would have said is.
"what did you expect me to do? TURN Fight you in a 190?"
And by Turn fight I would have ment for an extended period of time.
If I was running it was to get some E back or I was out of ammo.
I dont run from a fight just to run from a fight
and just what does our fights have to do with HO's?
Unless you wee trying to HO ME
What I heard a lot last night was this. Some kind of expletive about being a hotard, which I assume (I hate doing that) means I ho'ed you. I am not sure how you can say I ho'ed a Person that flew by me and below at a 10 o'clock down angle (best way to describe down and below to the left) and raked the top of your plane. If that is a Ho then that is what I do. I fly 190's because they are sexy. If I wanted to fly a plane that has built in training wheels I would fly the Spit 9. Takes 2 to ho, and 1 to whine. If I lose a Ho, I biatch at myself for doing it.
I prefer the alt monkey routine, grab, dive, shoot, grab, pray, dive, count the La's behind you, grab, rinse, repeat, 25K spit chases you too the deck not realizing after he has blown his excessive E you will pull away due to the deck speed of a cow for the Spits.
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I think every newb becomes a bish by default,is that true?
If it is,then you have an answer to "why so many bish HOing in lalas"
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Originally posted by Big G
Anyone else noticed the amount of bish flying lalas and then trying to ho you?
Don't know why the sudden spike in this but it's been really noticable over the last couple of days, Not whining or anything, they pay thier cash and that's fine with me, shame though as there's a lot more enjoyment in this game to be had than just flying looking to ho folks.
Cheers
Big G
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ack-ack
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
< LaLa's are for the skilless, Thanks alot , the La 7 is my favorite plane , ya Dork ! :mad:
CHECKERS
Doesn't change anything. Standard flight gear for LaLa's includes a dress. :lol
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Originally posted by ATA
I think every newb becomes a bish by default,is that true?
If it is,then you have an answer to "why so many bish HOing in lalas"
I switched to Bish due to the numbers... and I can tell you Rooks and Knights do it just as often. And LaLa's do it the most.
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Ya know when I'm having one of those days where everyone wants to seem to HO me. From the spit all the way down. Thats the time I jump in the Yak9T and say "Bring it on!"
I can HO you like a felon at 1.2k out LONG before your guns are in range.
All I need is 1 (one) single hit and your toast. 37mm in the cockpit = one knee slapping gut laugh for me and a quick trip to tower for you.
Couple of those and its land those kills quick before you run into someone who can actually fly!
Besides, dodging a real straightforward HO shot is not that hard.
Dive under his nose, corkscrew, set up some horz or vert seperation and lead turn into him, there are a ton of ways to beat it.
But you have to want to.
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It's kind of ridiculous for anyone to say that you can't perform a certain maneuver or fly a certain plane...
Last time i looked this was a ww2 flight sim correct? which means that it has been created to exact or best display the action in ww2
Now if for one minute you can tell me that a pilot in ww2 would say ooops im gonna HO this guy lemme disengage and come from another direction " just to be fair" you are extremely naive...
I'm tired of people whining about LA's and HO's only to contradict themselves a minute later by saying LA's can be taken down easily...
Jut play the game with the planes that are given and let people use whatever maneuvers they want...
IF YOU WERE A GOOD PILOT IT WOULDNT MATTER WHAT THEY FLEW OR WHAT MANEUVER THEY DID RiGHT???
MAYBE ITS YOU WHO NEEDS TO SHARPEN YOUR SKILLS SO YOU DONT END UP IN THIS SITUTATION...
This post was not to anyone in particular just tired of people whining all the damn time
Haze22
242 Squadron
"Remember this. For every precious thing i lose, you will lose two."-Stephen White
"HTC should hand out cheese with every subscription, to go with all this whine."-Haze22
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Besides, dodging a real straightforward HO shot is not that hard.
Dive under his nose, corkscrew, set up some horz or vert seperation and lead turn into him, there are a ton of ways to beat it.
But you have to want to.
Yup, you gotta want to. So if your whinin' about a HO you didn't want to avoid it very much, or just didn't try.
And, BTW, if you couldn't shoot the guy who shot you? It ain't a HO!
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Originally posted by Haze22
This post was not to anyone in particular just tired of people whining all the damn time
"HTC should hand out cheese with every subscription, to go with all this whine."-Haze22
Your whines have been recorded :D
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HO's are just a normal part of the game in the MA.
When you engage a bogey, expect him to try to give you a face full of shot. Whether it be at the merge or subsequent merges as you vertical fight or turn fight, or whatever. It isn’t just the LA-LA’s either. The 109’s with their 30mms are a nightmare. That is why I’ve taken to the 109G6 from the F4. Much better firepower, although I think the F4 is a better turn fighter. Either one will get you home if you fly smart.
At the merge, I usually just roll under their nose. Or HO them if they look like they are avoiding the HO.
The MA is more like “LA’s High” lately, but the 109 is a LA killer, just pick your favorite from the F4 to the G10. I used to just fear the P-38, now, in a 109 F4/G6, they are meat. Same with the L-Gays. Unless of course the P-38 or LaLa is flown by a good stick.
The reason, I say that, is that most of the LA’s are not flown by the best sticks. Once you get to a certain level in this game, a LA7 becomes boring. You need more of a challenge. I think that most good sticks will eventually move on from the Spits and the Niks and the LA-7 to more challenging rides. Not for the perks, but for the satisfaction.
What you need to develop in your SA repertoire is the ability to quickly evaluate the quality of pilot you are flying against, not the plane type you are fighting.
For the real question you learn to ask yourself in this game is not; “What plane am I fighting?” But, “Which pilot am I fighting?”
And when that question becomes first in your mind Grasshopper, you are not far from reaching enlightenment.
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Sweet im recorded yay for me!!!!!
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It's that bish are on a national effort to learn spanish... A bish hello, get it? HO LA, Hola! lololol I crack me up.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
At the merge, I usually just roll under their nose. Or HO them if they look like they are avoiding the HO.
So, if they go for the HO you chicken out but if they attempt to avoid the HO to actually fight, you HO. Then what? Run?
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Originally posted by Booz
It's that bish are on a national effort to learn spanish... A bish hello, get it? HO LA, Hola! lololol I crack me up.
That was funny :aok
Now then, for the rest of ya...
This is such a dead discussion, but I'm gonna chime in since I am a bish...
Every country HO's like mad, stop laying it on one country's door step. I get HO'd in about 80 percent of my merges. And I really don't care, as soon as I see you pointing straigh up my nose clearly lining up a shot, I'll crack at ya. And I fly tracers off unless I'm recording something, so choose carefully, you may not realize what you've done.
Anyhow, I don't have a problem with HO and I think its funny how many people do. It happened all the time in documented real life fights and was an encouraged method in some circumstances. And more importantly, its not all that hard to avoid, I duck under HO's all the time and very few of them are skilled enough to adjust the shot.
So it seems the real complain here is you don't like getting shot down. If thats the case maybe you should play this instead... Hamsterball (http://www.raptisoft.com/hamsterball.shtml) Its lots of fun and there are no LA-7's
Now quit hanging out in here like a crybaby and go get shot at like a real man.
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why did you post this! :lol
also whats wrong with a HO anyways?
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Originally posted by Lye-El
So, if they go for the HO you chicken out but if they attempt to avoid the HO to actually fight, you HO. Then what? Run?
If they go for the HO, then I have about a 80% or better chance of taking damage. Very poor odds IMHO. So I avoid it, if they are trying to avoid it, I give them a face full of cannons. I thought that was rather clear in my post.
Note the original statement I made in my post
"HO's are just a normal part of the game in the MA."
Logical reasoning would yeild the conclusion from my statement that therefore; HO's are just a normal part of the game in the MA.
Therefore, if HO's are a normal part of the game in the MA, you could conclude that a very large majority of people in the MA HO. I am part of that majority. I just won't normally HO you if I risk taking damage. See Viper215's and Kurts and others reply to this post.
After the merge, whether I continue to engage or run like a scalded dog depends on the situation. But if you fly a G6 as I do (and now I am moving to the F4U-1 a bit) you don't run far.
And from the number of runners I see in this game, I would also conlude that running is a normal part of the game in the MA.
The MA is a barroom brawl grasshopper.
Learn to become one with the Chaos.