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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Krusty on October 21, 2005, 01:09:09 PM
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I'm just thinking up vague ideas for future perk planes. The idea I've got lately is to think up a list of planes that add variety (something to spend perks on) so that once you earn perks you can use them on something. These planes would ALL be perked, and not necessarily at cheap prices, depending on the impact on gameplay (the impact on gameplay would determine how many perks, but all would be perked for rarity reasons). The point is to add perk planes that are NOT perked because they are super planes, nor because they are uber late war planes, etc. Perked for scarcity/rarity.
a couple I suggested start the list out just because I'm thinking as I type:
He100D (not likely)
Fw187
G.55 (might have to perk the c205 for rarity in this case, too)
SpitV with 4x20mm (Yeah.. I have to add this but I think it'd have a high price)
F6F-5N with 20mm (I doubt it but I'll add it to be fair)
Fw190 with a torp under it
Soviet C-47 with dorsal turret and 1xShVak (I think)
190a5 with a 2x20mm gunpod under each wing (4 in pods 2 in wings 6x20mm total but loses lots of performance) -- this was used but relatively rare.
B-17 with heavy payload (B17s could carry over 10k, but operationally took 5-6k. It was rare, but could do it for shorter ranges, so perk it)
Bolton Paul Defiant (pretty useless, IMO, but kinda rare)
Brewster Buffalo (rare as hell and flies like crap :P)
Add other solutions here. If it totally out peforms other planes in several areas, then chances are it doesn't fit this topic.
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I really like the idea, but while we're on the topic, how about perking certain loadouts on common aircraft.
Like the P-38G with rockets, the N1K1 with extra ammo, or the La-7 with 3 cannons.
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You can't do that. It doesn't work that way. Plus the LA7 with 3 guns should be perked for performance reasons, not for rarity (lol).
You'd have to make 2 planes, each with only 1 loadout, and then perk one of them. That would be REALLY confusing for newbies. Especially since there are several p51s, 47s, 38s, 40s, me109s, fw190s, and so on and so forth.
Some of the ones I already suggested fall into this problem area.
Do you have any ideas for individual aircraft?
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Name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not for performance.
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We've been over that. You were wrong. :)
Let's move on shall we?
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Rare one that I'd love to see, but will never happen, would be the IAR 81C.
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If I'm wrong, then can you name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not because of performance?
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Lets see, other rare ones that Id like to see (gave a quick flip through a few of my books and jotted down the ones that caught my eye)
M.S.406
D.520
Fairey Swordfish (I just wanna see a biplane :) )
Gloster Gladiator (same reason)
Fairey Firefly
Henschel Hs 129
Bf 109T (the carrier may never have seen action, but the planes built for it did)
He 177 (Axis bomber w/ 2,400Kg of bombs and 1,200Km range)
Sm 79 Sparviero (to go with the Italian fighters)
P-39 (just because)
B-25G or H
J2M Raiden
Ki-45 Toryu
TB-3 (HUGE russian 4-engine bomber)
Pe-8 (HUGE later war russian 4-engine bomber)
I-16 Rata
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Originally posted by Treize69
Fairey Swordfish (I just wanna see a biplane :) )
Gloster Gladiator (same reason)
Fairey Firefly
He 177 (Axis bomber w/ 2,400Kg of bombs and 1,200Km range)
Sm 79 Sparviero (to go with the Italian fighters)
P-39 (just because)
B-25G or H
Ki-45 Toryu
TB-3 (HUGE russian 4-engine bomber)
I-16 Rata
Those ones aren't rare :P Adding them would be one thing (if/when they get added) but they don't quite fit into this category. The others were good, though. I'd temporarily forgotten about the MS planes. Also the AIR 80 was a good suggestion.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If I'm wrong, then can you name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not because of performance?
Ta 152, this plane is close to useless in the MA.
A lot of non perk are more suited to the game, either low ,either high.
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First off, It's not useless. Up high almost nothing can catch it. It's about due for an update soon too. From what I've read, updated speed and stuff.
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Too many planes that were mass produced to start thinking about the ones produced in small quantities.
I think when the planeset fills up start adding planes that were rare and perk them for that, and give a higher perk price to the high performers.
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As usual you've brought up a good point.
I agree that we have many holes in the planeset, but I'm not realistically expecting any of these rare planes to show up any time soon. We definitely need to get the important holes filled before we get "frivolous". But someday we might get some of these.
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IMO, if HTC ever started to really fill out the Eastern Front planeset, the IAR series would not be at all frivolous. 461 of all variants were produced (small by US standards, but a massive production run for Romania), and many fought through to the end of the war, both with and (after August of 1944) against the Germans. It was used as both a fighter and fighter-bomber, and its armament options as the series progressed ranged from 4 7.92mm MGs in the IAR 80 (initial production model) through various combinations of MGs and Cannons of either German or Belgian (licensed before the war) manufacture, through to the final IAR 81C with 4 FN-Browning 7.92mm MGs and a pair of MG 151/20s. I have seen photos of what look like 81Cs with a pair of 13mm MGs instead of the quartet of 7.92mm, but I haven't seen this variant listed anywhere, so I think it was probably either a test fitting or a field mod.
I no longer have my old G7V site up, but I used to have a table on there comparing the IAR performance with other fighters of the period. If I recall correctly, its top speed in the 81C variant of 1944 was almost identical to the SpitV, with the lightest wing loading of any major wartime production fighter I could find. Couple that maneuverabilty with its pretty decent firepower, and you get a damn good dogfighter- which is probably why it could catch the USAAF offguard, they always thought they were encountering older-model 190s. Instead it was basically a radial-engined Spitfire. ;)
In case you can't tell, thats the one I REALLY want to see in AH some day!
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a couple I suggested start the list out just because I'm thinking as I type:
He100D (not likely)
Fw187
G.55 (might have to perk the c205 for rarity in this case, too)
SpitV with 4x20mm (Yeah.. I have to add this but I think it'd have a high price)
F6F-5N with 20mm (I doubt it but I'll add it to be fair)
Fw190 with a torp under it
Soviet C-47 with dorsal turret and 1xShVak (I think)
190a5 with a 2x20mm gunpod under each wing (4 in pods 2 in wings 6x20mm total but loses lots of performance) -- this was used but relatively rare.
B-17 with heavy payload (B17s could carry over 10k, but operationally took 5-6k. It was rare, but could do it for shorter ranges, so perk it)
Bolton Paul Defiant (pretty useless, IMO, but kinda rare)
Brewster Buffalo (rare as hell and flies like crap :P)
Add other solutions here. If it totally out peforms other planes in several areas, then chances are it doesn't fit this topic. [/B]
Never
Saw limited (questionable defense of factories) activity
Yes, no perks
Another spit???? Training wheels stopped in 1st grade.
No, too many US rides anyway
Yes, gives you somthing to do besides play cards otw to the field
No, I like it but to IL2
Ask GV users, and cv protectors on this one (NO)
That is like asking benedict arnold to a fight and giving hiim a gun with no bullets.
Yes the Finns want it, and besides it did kick the ruskies ****
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AnD b29 WItH n00K!!!11!!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
First off, It's not useless. Up high almost nothing can catch it. It's about due for an update soon too. From what I've read, updated speed and stuff.
It shine certainly but it shine alone ine the MA, without target => useless.
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(http://homepages.force9.net/ffour/airshow01/constanta/iar80.jpg)
Pretty interesting choice. I don't think I've ever seen one...
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Thats one of two replicas built in Romania in the Late 80s and early 90s for display at their two main military museums- that one is made to represent the original IAR 80 of 1940 and is on outside display in Bucharest, while the other is made to look like an IAR 81C from the pro-Allied ARR of 1945 an sits indoors.
Unfortunately no intact survivors exist today, and only a few wrecks are known to exist- one of them being in the Black Sea just offshore from the old WWII air base at Mamea.
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How bout a Focke-Wulf Ta 183. it is a jet-powered fighter. I think it was used in WW2. well here is an article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_183
And here is a picture:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.scaleworkshop.com/gallery/images/ta183ca_3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.scaleworkshop.com/gallery/images/&h=387&w=640&sz=34&tbnid=vNJ1Yoi2G8MJ:&tbnh=81&tbnw=135&hl=en&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dta%2B183%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
The pics r in alphabetical order, so scroll towards the bottom to see the Ta-183.
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Nope, wasn't built at least not beyond the prototype stage, until after the war (Tank took the design to Argentina). Would have been a damn good plane though, thank god the war didn't last another year.
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I'm pretty sure the design was copied for Early migs.
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I've seen experts who vehemently claim that it was the basis for the MiG-15, and ones who just as adamantly contend that the MiG-15 was designed independantly, and just happens to have a similar layout. I think that one will always be open to debate.
In all fairness to the MiG, there are only so many swept wing, single engine layouts available for a late 40s-early 50s era jet that will actually work (look at the F-86), so I dunno.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Pe-8 (HUGE later war russian 4-engine bomber)
Pe-8 wasnt later war bomber. It came to service in 1941.
Just FYI.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
[...]From what I've read, updated speed and stuff.
Where'd you read that?
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Well, just from reading the Aircraft forum. It doesn't come up often, but when it does, it is said that the TA152 needs a boost in performance.
Then the standard, "Here are my documents of proof why it needs to be higher."
Followed by, "Here are my documents of proof why it needs to stay the same..."
Same stuff that happens with spits and 109s.
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Pe8 saw very little action, and was mostly used as a diplomatic transport.
However, the TB3, while slow and lumbering, *DID* see lots of use, especially in the south east and in bombing Germany later in the war. Armed with a few light caliber MGs it's not defenseless, but it'd be a sitting duck (but one with long range and decent bomb load)
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But any confirmation from Pyro/HTC?
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lol hell no :P
This is just forum speculation/discussion!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Pe8 saw very little action, and was mostly used as a diplomatic transport.
Wrong. Pe-8 was used as transport, but much more often as bomber. Unlike american heavy bombers, Pe-8 bombed frontline and close to front objects mostly. In particular, they drop few 5000kg bombs on Kenigsberg's fortifications and in Kursk. Nevertheless, they participated in raids to german's hinterland during all war from august 41.
Only ~100 Pe-8 was built.
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Pe-8 wasnt later war bomber. It came to service in 1941.
Well thats why I said Leter as opposed to late, since an aircraft introdued in 1941 is obviously later than one already technically obscolete by that time. ;) :D
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Perk a Spit V with 4x20mms...why?
Considering it's being downgraded to 12lbs 1942 levels this would make it the ONLY perked 1942 plane in the game.
Every other perked plane is late war, ie. 1944/45
LUDICROUS.
If you want to perk for specific reasons then apply those reasons to the whole planeset and not single out 1.
In which case 30mm should be an instant perk etc.
Not so keen on it now I bet.
Of course best perk a Gladiator because of its great manoeverability, gets ridiculous.
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Kev obviously didn't note the title of this topic :)
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No, I noted the topic.
Planes perked because they're rare?
New one to me.
F4U-C was not perked because it was rare.
3 cannon Lala rare - not perked.
In fact the only rare plane I can think of that is perked is the TA-152 (70 or less seen combat).
So your whole premise about planes perked for rarity seems to be flawed.
By your logic a Gladiator would be perked because it was rare in WW2, hell even a Swordfish would be a candidate for a mild perk.
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C 205, I believe, was pretty rare. It is not perked.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Well thats why I said Leter as opposed to late, since an aircraft introdued in 1941 is obviously later than one already technically obscolete by that time. ;) :D
My english too bad for such details :huh
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Add the Brewster to the list, add the FINNISH Brewster to the perk list.
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What do you think the perk on this bad boy would be?(http://[IMG]http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/20/Do335b.jpg)[/IMG]
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Uberhun, the Do335 barely made it to production and did not make it to any units. We'll never see it in AH.
cashrc: I included the brewster on the list
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Does anybody remember a plane that had a mid-engine, actually behind the cockpit, with a driveshaft that drove the prop?
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Never mind I answered my own question. It was a Bell P-39...
(http://www.jefflewis.net/graphics/aircraft/P-39_Airacobra_This_one_is_Soviet.jpg)
http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/XP-39.html (http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/XP-39.html)
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This plane might be one that fits your catagory krusty....
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap1.htm