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Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: lazs2 on October 22, 2005, 09:28:58 AM
humor...  there are a few bad apples.... probly no more than a dozen or so who have a sense of humor..  Not just a good schoolyard one but an evil one.

If you could just get rid of those bad apples you could have a real worthwhile community and general discussion group with a real sense of purpose.

comon guys... I like a good fart joke as much as the anybody but this so called "dark" or "sophisticated" humor is just too much... it hurts peoples feelings and makes this whole thing look like.... well like some kind of game.

I think if we all showed a little sensitivity and appreciation for the hard work of those who are trying to make this more than a game....  we would all be better people.  It must be painful to work so hard at anything or to make a serious post about a serious subject and then... for all your effort.... be the butt of a joke and have all that effort scoffed at.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: killnu on October 22, 2005, 09:31:54 AM
get new bait...this stuff is old and starting to decompose.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: indy007 on October 22, 2005, 09:35:33 AM
Stop it with your evil ways lazs! This is a serious game that has a profound impact on our daily lives! Keep it up and baby jesus will cry, and it's all your fault!
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: lazs2 on October 22, 2005, 10:03:26 AM
addmitedly... I am as much to blame as anyone...  terms like "toolshed" and "mouse wielder" "lutwussie"  while accurate and funny.... can damage... I admit to being the author of many hurtful terms here.

worse..."wussie" and "sissy" and "make people play with you" are not only insensitve on the face of it but... no doubt bring back painfull memories of childhood for many.

for someone like me to be amung such sensitive folk is just not right..  I will do my best to stay off the general forum...  for..

If you have nothing constructive to say you shouldn't say anything...

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Title: Explanations
Post by: Smiggyy on October 22, 2005, 10:10:12 AM
A simple explanation of some of the terms used may go well towards people understanding your "humour" better.

I for one have been in the game for 3 years plus and have to admit to never hearing, or understanding some of the phrases you just mentioned.

Toolshed?

Mouse Wielder?
(altho I assume, maybe incorrectly, that that could be aimed in my direction, being that I fly with a mouse!)

Lutwussie?

Inventing phrases to enforce a point is all good and well, but if the intended do not understand, it becomes a somewhat wasted effort.

The problem with the community is a very simple one. Some take this far, far, far too seriously, it is after all just a game. Or was the last time I looked!

Smiggy.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: mechanic on October 22, 2005, 11:04:49 AM
thing is Lazs, no one cares about you makng jokes with good humour like you do, albeit with some bitterness lately it would seem.


what people dont like is the 'jokers' whos only joke is to try and wind people up, or preferably hurt their 'over sensitive game feelings' 100% of the time with totaly witless smack and put downs.




there is a difference between a loveable prankster or comedian and a spitefull bully.

its not about anything other than individual enjoyment, you play your game, everyone else plays there own game both here and in the arenas.


the real problem really comes when somone who doesnt get your homour atempts to recreate it with no class or wit. then it becomes pathetic mewling like a baby crying for attention.





oh....ill just pull this hook out of my mouth now and swim off if you dont mind.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Grits on October 22, 2005, 11:11:12 AM
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Originally posted by mechanic
what people dont like is the 'jokers' whos only joke is to try and wind people up, or preferably hurt their 'over sensitive game feelings' 100% of the time with totaly witless smack and put downs.


The idea that what someone types on the intardnet can hurt your feelings is what I dont understand. Maybe I just have thicker skin that most.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Vudak on October 22, 2005, 11:24:54 AM
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Originally posted by Grits
The idea that what someone types on the intardnet can hurt your feelings is what I dont understand. Maybe I just have thicker skin that most.



While I'll somewhat agree with this Grits (at least the sticks & stones theory), another thing I don't get about the internet is how some people apparently assume that every pilot in this game isn't an actual human being as well.

Don't get me wrong, most of the stuff is just funny.  Then I'd say much of the stuff that doesn't come off as being a joke probably doesn't simply because sarcasim and inflection don't always do well in text.  Still, there's those times when we all really lay into each other and it would take a very generous person to think everything's in jest.  

Of course, "what's a little fight, tomorrow we'll be boys again"...  And when someone in the community needs a helping hand or anything else with a personal tragedy...  The community responds with alacrity.  

It just seems strange to say one's feelings could be helped by what someone types over the internet, but it's impossible for them to be hurt.

(When are we getting a "shrug" emoticon, anyway?)
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: megadud on October 22, 2005, 11:29:42 AM
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Originally posted by Vudak
Of course, "what's a little fight, tomorrow we'll be boys again"...


vudak shady... :aok

I don't take what anyone on this intardnet game says to me seriously. You can call me anything you want and i will laugh at you and then come back with my witty response. They are just words and this is just the intardnet. However if you find a way to reach through the screen and punch me in the face we have a problem... :mad:

my 2 sence :D
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: storch on October 22, 2005, 11:34:39 AM
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Originally posted by killnu
get new bait...this stuff is old and starting to decompose.
no sir that makes the very best chum.
Title: Perceptions
Post by: APDrone on October 22, 2005, 03:05:48 PM
The internet is an evolving world and the social impact is still to be determined.

A lot of people 'hide' behind their game ids and create a alternate life for themselves.  Behaving and responding in ways that there's no way they'd dare do so in public. Mainly because such actions would invariable result in being taken out to the parking lot by the targets of their 'joking' and being beaten to within an inch of their lives. Some of them develop an inflated sense of self-worth and inflict their convictions on others with no tolerance for alternative views.

  Some believe their k/d ratio or skill at wielding a virtual vehicle ( Aerial, aquatic, or ground ) elevates them in the intellectual food chain of the real world.

Others of us are who we are.  If you encounter me in real life, you will find that I'm the same as I am in here.  I have nothing to prove. I play for the comraderie and revel in the virtual world we are so fortunate to enjoy. I still think that 'pong' was a pretty neat idea, so watching debris falling off a plane I'm shooting at ( or, in most cases, riding in ) is really cool :cool:

The problem I see is where these different cultures collide. If I insult someone,  it is something I would say to their face.  That doesn't happen very often.  When somebody insults me, I treat that the same way, that they mean what they say.  So.. if somebody who's hiding behind their ID starts flaming away at me, I assume they are sincere in their attacks.  That can hurt.  
 
Now, a typical response would be, 'It's only a game.. get over it'.  AH is a game, yes. The social interraction that takes place within, is not.  We are all people.  This is not dungeons and dragons where the dungeonmaster factors in charisma on the effect of an attack.  

Even if tirades are not directed specifically at me, they still have an impact on my enjoyment.  I don't like social confrontations, you can ask my squadmates. However, in the last year or so, I'm finding myself drawn closer and closer to getting face to face with certain individuals because I have grown weary of constantly having to stifle the urge to scream STFU to those so desperately deserving it.

And then there's the forums/BBS.  My God.. what a mess.  I'm drawn in by the same genomes that cause folks to look for blood at an accident scene.  The lack of respect and dignity displayed by those in here is simply apalling.  

So this is my own grossly-exaggerated-valuable opinion I share with you, the AH comunity.

:)
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: uberhun on October 22, 2005, 03:24:36 PM
Reverse Troll Laz??? Nice try!:rofl
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Shane on October 22, 2005, 04:13:06 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
The idea that what someone types on the intardnet can hurt your feelings is what I dont understand. Maybe I just have thicker skin that most.


naw, you're just dumb as a post so it all goes whooooosh!! right by.

:)
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: BlkKnit on October 22, 2005, 04:26:10 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
The idea that what someone types on the intardnet can hurt your feelings is what I dont understand. Maybe I just have thicker skin that most.


So, this is not a community and no one here is your friend.  That sum it up for you?

OK, OK, maybe i just have a thinner skin than most ;)

lazs, sarcasm is fun, up to the point where it appears to be more bitterness than humor.  Usually i find your postings to be funny (even the serious ones), and i'll admit to a chuckle at this one.

however, your example leads others to try who haven't quite as good a sense of humor.

just a few thoughts for no one, since no one cares.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: nirvana on October 22, 2005, 06:26:48 PM
I'm a real ******* sometimes, especially if I am getting killed more and getting less kills.  I admit it, I am sorry.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: mechanic on October 22, 2005, 09:04:24 PM
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
So, this is not a community and no one here is your friend.  That sum it up for you?

[snip]

however, your example leads others to try who haven't quite as good a sense of humor.

[snip]



a very good point.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Nomak on October 22, 2005, 09:09:13 PM
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
So, this is not a community and no one here is your friend.  That sum it up for you?



Yes it sure does.  My feelings exactly.

Dave
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: stantond on October 23, 2005, 06:37:16 AM
Part of the problem... is that it takes awhile before you recognize some peoples ideas of 'fun'.  For some, their idea of 'fun' is to be as abrasive as possible and see the reaction.  Others are trolls, looking to stir up 'a little action' with some name calling, incenuation, and outright disrespectful offesive remarks.   Getting a reaction is what it's all about!

The added banter by the peanut gallery can be unsettling. Thinking someone is 'all that' because they can play a game better than you is ... well... absurd!  But that does come off in this BBS.  I think the interaction on this BBS might make an interesting physiological study!

Unfortunately, when you don't recognize these types for what they are doing, it can be upsetting.  Once you recognize them, they are quite laughable.  However, for someone just starting the game, recognizing who and what these 'names' are about is almost impossible.  There are some real buttheads on this BBS, no doubt.  But, the AH BBS has no monopoly on them.

More 'spirited' conversation is tolerated on this BBS than most.  However, taken in the right (not so serious) light it is all in fun!


Regards,

Malta
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: wrag on October 23, 2005, 07:46:17 AM
Personally ch 200 is wearing pretty thin.

Gettin tired of the mouths, admittedly there is not too many of em, spewing garbage.  Thinkin of turnin it off.  Typing about 10 to 20 names everytime I log on would be a drag.  Many of those 10 to 20 are fairly NEW.

I really didn't care for a country changing comment aimed at a female that contained the word "potato".  No i'm not politically correct, not even close.  That comment COULD create soooooo much trouble for HTC and this community it is NO WERE NEAR FUNNY!  Said about guys from guys is one thing but would have been much better to have avoided such a comment with a female.  Don't think she was offended, she didn't respond in that manner, but how many others are there online that don't let anyone know who they are in an effort to avoid such comments?

Yet that comment, and some others in the same catagory, about sums up what seems to be comin outa these fairly new mouths.
Title: Re: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Jackal1 on October 23, 2005, 07:59:47 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
humor...  there are a few bad apples.... probly no more than a dozen or so who have a sense of humor..  Not just a good schoolyard one but an evil one.

If you could just get rid of those bad apples you could have a real worthwhile community and general discussion group with a real sense of purpose.

comon guys... I like a good fart joke as much as the anybody but this so called "dark" or "sophisticated" humor is just too much... it hurts peoples feelings and makes this whole thing look like.... well like some kind of game.

I think if we all showed a little sensitivity and appreciation for the hard work of those who are trying to make this more than a game....  we would all be better people.  It must be painful to work so hard at anything or to make a serious post about a serious subject and then... for all your effort.... be the butt of a joke and have all that effort scoffed at.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's


  Oh I have to agree with this 100%.
Being a sensitive person myself I find the crying myself to sleep nights becoming ever more present due to some of the true cruel people here. Some are just such big meanies. I get so distraught from all the taunting and name calling that I have found myself spending less time here. I have been spending more and more time working on graphs and presentations to make Morph top in sales for The ChiggerFlickerOmatic and way less time on the BBS and in the game. Sometimes I just find it more than I can take.
  I think what would help is if we had someone to turn to in times of crisis.
Maybe someone we could ask questions of and seek counsel. I know this can work because I read Dear Abbey often and see all the good it does. Truely remarkable.
  Maybe a Dear Laz section could be arranged here.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: DipStick on October 23, 2005, 09:02:39 AM
Chiggerflicker
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: lazs2 on October 23, 2005, 09:19:28 AM
For once.... I don't know how reply.... least not in any way that would be acceptable here.

I have real friends here... You don't get to be in my "community" tho by paying for it by the month.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: reeb on October 23, 2005, 09:28:15 AM
I find the best way to deal with the people that have nothing better to do then talk trash is to ignor them or just laugh at them. I dont play to be the best i play cuz i like WW2 aircraft and i like the rush of haveing someone that plays 24/7 and is really good on my 6. If i had the time to play everyday and tighten my skillz up i could prolly be one of the best but ive been there and it just makes the game boreing ( i was solaris champion on MPBT and always getting the victory is boreing) Its better to have fun and not worry about the trash talk because thats all it is.

After all it is just a game
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Morpheus on October 23, 2005, 10:15:47 AM
zOMFG WOOOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O QUAH!!!





chigger!!!
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Lye-El on October 23, 2005, 10:19:04 AM
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Originally posted by reeb
i could prolly be one of the best  


Are ya good at flight sims?  :D
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Curval on October 23, 2005, 10:31:51 AM
Let us all engage in an internet prayer designed to change this game and community into a lazs' version of what it should be.

...and ban all the women.:aok
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: uberhun on October 23, 2005, 10:32:04 AM
Your new found humility is quite amuseing Lazs, but it lacks that .........well......Sincereity:rofl
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: BlkKnit on October 23, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
I didn't mean to accuse anyone in this thread of being overly antagonistic.  A good quick derogatory remark can be fun for everyone.  Its the ones who get on 200 or on here and go on and on and on and on and .......well, I think you get it.

I've rarely exchanged words with lazs, maybe next to never, so he dont know me and I would hardly expect to be counted among his friends.  As I dont post in the more populated forums very often or play much more than 20 hours a month then very few would even have an opportunity to consider me a friend here.

What I'm saying lazs is that I dont expect you to even give a hoot about me as a real person.  I didn't really post to criticise you for this post or any others. I felt (and I've been wrong before) that your post was directed at the community and I meant mine in the same way.  Maybe the words came off differently.  I just thought I needed to add more to my post as I didn't want Grits to feel I was picking on him.  Neither of you are players that I would consider to be "bad for the community".  Very few are, and I tend to ignore them anyway.  What led me to respond here was an overall feel that seems to be taking over here.

My apologies to both (for what its worth).

gonna go have a good cry now ;)
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Morpheus on October 23, 2005, 10:46:35 AM
I think that you people think too much about whatother people say. esply on an internet board. Its one thing to pick apart someones' words irl. Its something totally different to do it on here.

You (those^) people are making one big mistake here.
 
exmpl: I dont always agree with what Lazs says. I dont always agree with how he says things although I find 99.9% of it funny as hell. But I do know that IRL lazs is a hell of a guy. He can distinguish this internet life from real life and will never intertwine the two. Every single one of the BK's is this way. Which is why we get along as well as we do. We can step into the game or these boards and call eachother every name in the book one minute then the next laugh our tulips off about it.

The only real problem with the community today is that it is full of people who are thinking far too hard about what everyone else is saying and doing. Those are the same people who think of it as more than just a game and a way to escape the stresses of daily life and just have fun. The same people who never really log off of the game or the boards. They take it to work with them, take it to bed with them, lose sleep over it, get angry or upset becasuse they didnt get an from someone for a good fight or acknowlegment from someone on the bb for their uber flying.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: BlkKnit on October 23, 2005, 11:01:38 AM
I have gotten the impression from reading lazs' posts that indeed he probably is a very stand up individual irl.  I was only saying that he has had no opportunity to know me, so how could he consider me a friend ( or even an aquaintance, really ).  I read his posts because I tend to agree with them, and get a kick out of those who dont and the banter between them.  I dont have a problem with lazs, I have a problem with those who think they need to justify thier sense of self value by trying to belittle everyone else.  I think I am capable of teling the difference between those who are just funnin' and those who want to start a fight.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: uberhun on October 23, 2005, 11:57:53 AM
Morpheus,
You are correct in respects to Lazs posts and whimsical, anticdotes. I to find them amusing. The effort he puts into his veiled trolls and creative flamebait and obvious work arounds of the rules is to be commended. His current "I just found god and I am looking for absoloution" post's are beneath his cynical skill set though. Also I would like to commend you and your squad on the feigned internal meltdown it was the best troll yet!
:aok
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: reeb on October 23, 2005, 12:21:55 PM
yes lye-el if i put the time and effort into a game i can be damn good, for the little time ive actully played AH i dont think i do all that bad(i could be much worse) I played MPBT - Multi player Battletech almost non stop on AoL before they charged to play it then on gamestorm and i was very deadly but thats not the point here. they point is trash talk will always be apart of any game like this and its best to just laugh at those that think its needed and have fun. watch when i play i wont get fired up by someone saying i suck ill agree with them and have fun with it, thats why we all play isnt it....to have fun?

I dont get mad when someone Ho's me or rams me i laugh and up another free plane.

And i like candy its good
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: lazs2 on October 23, 2005, 01:20:55 PM
uber... you didn't get it all except for the "work around the rules" part.   In some climates that can be fun for a lot of people..

I am just saying that the current crop of posters and lurkers is as bad as the crop we see bombing the hangers at fighter town.   There is no "working around the rules" for these guys because the seriously lack any sense of humor.  I do not want absolution nor will I change.

the board changed out from under me for better or worse.  I don't really think I fit in with the current crop of posters or lurkers and their idea of a good time.  so... since change for me is not and option... rather than damage ht's business in any way it seems best at this time to go to a less sensitive crowd where I won't do any damage to someones business.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: BBQ_Bob on October 23, 2005, 01:35:55 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't really think I fit in with the current crop of posters.......

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's



:cry
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: wrag on October 23, 2005, 04:17:05 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
uber... you didn't get it all except for the "work around the rules" part.   In some climates that can be fun for a lot of people..

I am just saying that the current crop of posters and lurkers is as bad as the crop we see bombing the hangers at fighter town.   There is no "working around the rules" for these guys because the seriously lack any sense of humor.  I do not want absolution nor will I change.

the board changed out from under me for better or worse.  I don't really think I fit in with the current crop of posters or lurkers and their idea of a good time.  so... since change for me is not and option... rather than damage ht's business in any way it seems best at this time to go to a less sensitive crowd where I won't do any damage to someones business.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's


Yo LAZ, if you're lookin at my comment it wasn't meant towards you.  I've been around awhile.  56 years about.  Seen allot stuff met allot of people.  Watched the media twist stuff etc ..... the comment I refer too probably won't cause any trouble.  But it has a certain potential!

LOL I still remember when the strippers came to this board in retaliation for one of people on here faking their way onto their board.  That was funny.  Think they finally figured out we weren't bad people. :lol
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Jackal1 on October 23, 2005, 06:31:26 PM
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Originally posted by Morpheus
zOMFG WOOOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O QUAH!!!





chigger!!!



OMFG OMFG!!!!!!!!
flicker
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: Jackal1 on October 23, 2005, 06:34:13 PM
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Originally posted by DipStick
Chiggerflicker





  If Chigerflickers everywhere would unite this world would be a better place.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: mars01 on October 23, 2005, 06:36:53 PM
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LOL I still remember when the strippers came to this board in retaliation for one of people on here faking their way onto their board. That was funny. Think they finally figured out we weren't bad people.
WTF we had strippers on the board!  Mtrf I always miss the good stuff lol.
Title: the real problem with the community..
Post by: uberhun on October 23, 2005, 07:23:34 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
uber... you didn't get it all except for the "work around the rules" part.   In some climates that can be fun for a lot of people..

I am just saying that the current crop of posters and lurkers is as bad as the crop we see bombing the hangers at fighter town.   There is no "working around the rules" for these guys because the seriously lack any sense of humor.  I do not want absolution nor will I change.

the board changed out from under me for better or worse.  I don't really think I fit in with the current crop of posters or lurkers and their idea of a good time.  so... since change for me is not and option... rather than damage ht's business in any way it seems best at this time to go to a less sensitive crowd where I won't do any damage to someones business.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's


:cry Dont say it is so lazs. On this Sunday you found humble inner peace??:huh WTF Ruin htc business:O Not likely bro. You are not the posting leper bro. Quite the contrary. You are the uber stealth bbs Hammer!:aok  Hammer on bro;)  You rock:aok