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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ghi on October 22, 2005, 06:15:53 PM
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Did someone ever try to make 352 kills in 109s only without getting killed?
What about a "Eric Hartmann" competition?!! let's say 352 kills/tour in me109s without death, but can die in any other planes,
(3-4 ditch/bail alowed, in me109s)
Maybe HTC would sponsor the competition with 2000-3000 (gvs) perks :lol
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Rules on how to qualify to be a HARTMANN
Fly 109G-6 and G-14 only!!!
and for those who want to be MARSEILLES
FLy 109E-4 and F-4 only!!!
* you will be VIODED if you fly other german planes or other 109 variants not mentioned here
:)
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And if you try to be Hartmann, remember you can get shot down and bail several times, just not die.
Marseilles died in a G-2, did he get any kills in one?
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This is a gooooooood idea!
hey how about "Kozhedub competetion"? The same rule for Hartmann apply to Kozhedub BUT you have to fly LA-5 or LA-7. This should be easy, go for 62 kills :)
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Originally posted by Grits
Marseilles died in a G-2, did he get any kills in one?
that's his first time being in 109G-2 and that will be his last:cry
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maybe you should start with the allied aces :)
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I don't think he did. It was his first flight in the G2 and they didn't see any enemy aircraft that day. The mission was in the morning and he died just before noon.
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Good idea.
I don't want to get VIODED though. That just sounds painful.
RTR
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for the Hartmann competition you get a few years to collect the kills
for the allies you get a certain number of sorties
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Does Soviets have "rotational system" similar to USAAF/USN and RAF? It is said that average Soviet pilots (after the 1941 fiasco) have the highest experience for the allied side and only second to Germans.
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ghi give it up..we both know u cant resist trying to bust up field captures vastly outnumbered..:) i wouldnt last 2 sorties lol
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Who was Japans leading ace in Ki-84s?
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I thought most of the "leading aces" died off long before the Ki84 came out?? They were more of the zero-flying kind, I think.
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The Army had some of the best pilots too, but not well publisized:cry And they got most of their kills in China, flying bi-plane A5Ms and Ki-43s.
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I remember Fishu having a Tour in the Fw-190 A8 with 300+ kills without a single death! He was (is) my hero back then. I've earned my wings studying his and Hristos art in the 190.
... ah the good old days!
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First his name was Erich Hartmann and not Eric.
He went donw 3 times, the first crash was on his very first flight as a wingman of the "Rottenfuehrer". He got some Parts of an IL2 into his cockpit and had to land behind enemy lines.
The last crash he got rescued by his mechanic behind enemy lines.
As far as i know he never flew the G14. His favorite plane was the G6 and he kept it till the end of war.
For all who want to know more read the book "Jagdgeschwader 52" Osprey publishing. John Weal wrote the book.
Jagdgeschwader 52 got 32 Centurions. Gerhard Barkhorn got 301 Kills for example.
You can't compare this way of game with reallity. Remember that Jagdgeschwader 52 had only a few raids on american bomber. I find my most death in the swarm of 50cals of B17's, B24's and Lancs.
And at least the never flew alone. They allways had a wingman keeping their six clean.
So long
NghtFire
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Originally posted by Krusty
I thought most of the "leading aces" died off long before the Ki84 came out?? They were more of the zero-flying kind, I think.
It's probably impossible to determine which pilot scored the highest number of victories in the Ki-84. This is largely due to the massive Japanese overclaiming common during the last year of the war by inexperienced pilots. Many pilots who did score well did not survive the war.
My regards,
Widewing
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Hartmann served briefly as Gruppenkommandeure of I./JG53 (acting, 2.45 - 14.2.45) and flew a G-14.
Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen I./JG53 (http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg53.html)
I./JG52 (Hartmann was Gruppenkommandeure of I./JG52 1.2.45 - 8.5.45) also flew G-14s
Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen I./JG52 (http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bijg52.html)
I am sure a goggle search would turn up some images. However, be advised that a G-14 and a late G-6 look allot a like and not a lot of folks can not tell them apart. After all a G-14 is just a G-6 + MW-50.
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Originally posted by ghi
Did someone ever try to make 352 kills in 109s only without getting killed?
What about a "Eric Hartmann" competition?!! let's say 352 kills/tour in me109s without death, but can die in any other planes,
(3-4 ditch/bail alowed, in me109s)
Maybe HTC would sponsor the competition with 2000-3000 (gvs) perks :lol
Impossible. I am playing for a kill streak at the start of each months, and must say it is getting more and more hard with time. Random kills generators aka puff acks are sooner or later getting kill on you when you flying over 3k at their range. When Fishu got his 300+ kills no death in tour, it were no flaks, manned acks, puffed acks, no la7s, tempests, 262s, 5'' etc, etc, etc.
I even can't get to my best kill streak of 93, which was few years ago, normally I die before 40 kills.
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Keep in mind that Hartmann and Marseilles tallied up their kills against inferior aircraft such as the Hurri Mk I, P-40C, LaGG-3, and Il-2. Hartmann did manage to bag 5 Mustangs, but I don't know the particular model.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Keep in mind that Hartmann and Marseilles tallied up their kills against inferior aircraft such as the Hurri Mk I, P-40C, LaGG-3, and Il-2. Hartmann did manage to bag 5 Mustangs, but I don't know the particular model.
Nonsense...
Look up both their lists of kill claims...
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Does it matter what aircraft so much? Just being able to hit an airplane while flying an airplane warrents my respect, no matter who the pilot is.
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If you do get to the k/d of E Hartman it would be cool if only those guys who did it to get the plane skin. :)
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Originally posted by 1K3
The Army had some of the best pilots too, but not well publisized:cry And they got most of their kills in China, flying bi-plane A5Ms and Ki-43s.
The army did not fly A5Ms, those were navy fighters. None of the A5M, Ki-27 or Ki-43 were biplanes. The Ki-27 and A5M did have fixed landing gear though.
The highest scoring IJAAF pilots got most of their kills in Ki-43s. Most of those pilots did not live to see the Ki-84's introduction, but some did. It is very hard to tell what their actual scores were due to several failings the Japanese had in that regards. 1) they claimed and awarded kills willy nilly without any significant effort to verify the kill and 2) they awarded kills to the unit, not to the individual pilot.
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Wasn't Hartmann shot down twice in the same day?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
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According to what Erich Hartmann told the authors of The Blond Knight of Germany, he flew the 109G-7, G-10, G-14, G-16 and K-4 models in combat.
Keep in mind that Hartmann and Marseilles tallied up their kills against inferior aircraft such as the Hurri Mk I, P-40C, LaGG-3, and Il-2. Hartmann did manage to bag 5 Mustangs, but I don't know the particular model.
Rubbish.....Hartmann shot many Yaks, Airacobras and La-5's along with some La-7's.
He went donw 3 times, the first crash was on his very first flight as a wingman of the "Rottenfuehrer". He got some Parts of an IL2 into his cockpit and had to land behind enemy lines.
His first crash landing was a result of him losing sight of his flight leader, then mistaking his flight leader for an enemy aircraft and running in fear until his 109 ran out of gas and he was forced to crash land his plane. You are thinking of his second crash landing I believe :)
The last crash he got rescued by his mechanic behind enemy lines.
Not entirely accurate, his mechanic DID go looking for Erich, but didnt find him. Erich made it back to his own lines after being captured and subsequently escaping by feigning serious internal injuries.
All this as it was told to Raymond F. Toliver and Trevor J. Constable by Erich Hartmann himself.
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Galland got shot down twice in one day, both times by Spitfires.
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Hartmann only ever 'claimed' 1 Mustangs on 24.6.1944
325 FG lost two Mustangs on this date:
318 FS "42" Joseph W. Harper MIA 42-103599
319 FS "75" Howard F. Welch MIA 42-103552
A pilot of SG2 (name not handy) also claimed a P-51 on this date. These 2 claims were roughly 30 min apart.
Hartmann is credited with another P-51 shot down between 16.3.45 and 10.4.45. but the source of this 'credit' is unknown to me.
fyi, If you look through Hartmann's kill claim list you will see a whole lot of claims for LaGG's. This doesn't mean LaGG 3s. As can be seen by many of claims by other JG52 pilots from about March '43 they didn't make any real effort to accurately identify the type of plane they shot down, almost every Soviet fighter was simply referred to as "LaGG". They also referred to La-5 and La-7s as LaGG's. Between March '43 and August '44 III./JG 52 claimed around 900 "LaGG's", about 250 P-39s and only around 20 Yaks of various variants. They also claimed 21 Spitfires, 1 more then their Yak claims.
So if the the claim that Hartmann only shot down obsolete LaGG 3s is based on their liberal use of the term LaGG in id'ing Soviet fighters then its clearly incorrect. Also, Hartmann only claimed 15 Il-2s.
Hartmann was forced ditch 14 times, he never baled out.
As for Hans-Joachim Marseille his kill claims include a lot of Hurri Is and P40-Cs but he claimed the by far majority of these while flying Emils and F-2s. He mostly fought alone with his wing staying out and away. It wasn't the aircraft that got Marseille his kills, it was his shooting skill and aggressiveness.
I can list his kill claims if you like.
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Originally posted by Widewing
It's probably impossible to determine which pilot scored the highest number of victories in the Ki-84. This is largely due to the massive Japanese overclaiming common during the last year of the war by inexperienced pilots. Many pilots who did score well did not survive the war.
My regards,
Widewing
Throw out a rough guess, I need a goal to shoot for:D ( something way under 300 though)
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Originally posted by Bruno
Hartmann was forced ditch 14 times, he never baled out.
Hartmann DID bail out. He was attacked by a group of Mustangs (5 or so) and weaved his 109 as best he could to keep himself from getting filled with bullets, then bailed out. Read "the Blonde Knight of Germany" ;)
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Yup, Galland was the one I was thinking of. How many kills did he get?
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In Hartmann's autobiography he claims 5 Mustangs and 60-some Il-2's iirc. Wetrat is also correct about him bailing when he was completely defensive vs 5 or so Mustangs, but....he didnt bail until his 109 ran out of gas ;)
Tomorrow I will check the book and see if I can find out more info on dates on the Mustang kills, and see if I can find the total number of Il-2's he claimed.
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His kill claims can be found on Tony Wood's Claims u. Casualties (http://www.1asphost.com/message.html) (the site is still down though, exceeded bandwidth) and they have been researched by Bernd Barbas (http://www.jg52.de/seitede.htm) and published in Revi Magazine (http://www.revi.cz/).
Here's what Jan Bobek of Revi magazine says about the article:
I as one of two authors of Hartmann article in REVI can say that "our" claim list is copy of Bernd Barbas research.
But today Tony Wood files seems to be much more correct and sometimes different at least till late 1944.
For 1945 the Bernd´s list is still only reliable source.
fyi you can contact Bernd on his forum:
JG52 Research Forum (http://disc.server.com/Indices/153452.html) and post questions there.
On the 24 June '44 JG52 engaged in Luftkampf with P-51s of the 325. The only 2 mustangs lost by the 325 were listed above. Relevant MACR could show more details in terms of time and circumstances.
Hartmann claimed only one P-51 Mustang as destroyed in Jägergradnetz square 65137 at 09.50 pm on 24 June '44. (Abschuß number 264). Any other P-51 shot down that is attributed to Hartmann is false.
Only Hartmann's first 150 or so kill claims are known 100% and can be documented in his first log book. His second logbook was stolen when he surrendered in '45. Those kills are reconstructed from memory / other documents. As many as one third of Hartmann's victories may never have been officially ratified by on-high. Around 307 of his claims were forwarded to the OKL for ratification prior to December '44 but as its well known that late in the war their were no claims were officially ratified.
Here is a a list of Hartmann's kill claims as compiled on Kacha' Luftwaffe page (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/index.html)
(source I believe is Tony Woods)
Erich Hartmann (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/hartmann.html) scroll to the bottom.
Tolliver/Constable's book is full of errors. However, you are correct that Hartmann is said to have baled out at least once.
Some of you may know that Hartmann's kill claims have been under a lot of scrutiny. His being credited with 352 kills is just to much for some to accept. His final kill total, and the exact number of each type of aircraft will be never known. Even his own comrades were skeptical of his claims during the war. So much so that that Dieter Hrabak (Kommodore) assigned Hartmann as his wing for a time.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Impossible. I am playing for a kill streak at the start of each months, and must say it is getting more and more hard with time. Random kills generators aka puff acks are sooner or later getting kill on you when you flying over 3k at their range. When Fishu got his 300+ kills no death in tour, it were no flaks, manned acks, puffed acks, no la7s, tempests, 262s, 5'' etc, etc, etc.
I even can't get to my best kill streak of 93, which was few years ago, normally I die before 40 kills.
I was curious if someone made it
Fariz, i not talking about not getting killed , cuz the game would be too boring, but not getting killed in certain plane, 109s .
Soo, you say is imposible, but should be eassyer to make 352 kills in cyberspace, sitting confortable in front of the computer monitor, in a chair without high Gs and the stress of real combat.
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On June 23 1944 near the Ploesti oilfields Hartmann claimed 4 Mustangs on his first sortie vs the Americans. This action is described on pages 161 - 165. On his 5th mission vs the Americans near Ploesti Hartmann claimed another Mustang and set another on fire (that one most likely didnt make it home either) This engagement ended with Hartmann completely defensive vs 8 Mustangs and is also when he bailed after his 109 ran out of fuel. This action is described on pages 165- 169. He claimed two more Mustangs late in the war over Czechoslovakia while trying to intercept a Russian bombing raid. That action is described on pages 171 - 172.
I havent found where the book gives the total number of Il-2's Hartmann claimed however the log from his first 150 kills lists 6 Il-2's.
Tolliver/Constable's book is full of errors. However, you are correct that Hartmann is said to have baled out at least once.
There may be some errors, after all even the authors are human and we all know that all humans make mistakes from time to time, yet I doubt that it is *full of errors* since the authors told the story as it was told to them by Hartmann himself.
Some of you may know that Hartmann's kill claims have been under a lot of scrutiny. His being credited with 352 kills is just to much for some to accept. His final kill total, and the exact number of each type of aircraft will be never known.
His final kill total is known imo, 352. To many times folks try to discredit those who have achieved amazing things, sometimes they have good reason to, other times they only attempt to discredit because they themselves cannot fathom how such feats were accomplished. Look at the American that won the Tour de France several times (forget his name atm, but bicycle racing isnt a sport I normally keep close tabs on). The French are attempting to discredit his victories in that ultimate bicycle race of endurance.
I doubt if any source on Hartmann's kills by type is 100% accurate. As you stated, his second log book has unfortunately been lost to us.
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top prize of the line Sony 5 disc dvd play brand new in box model dvp-nc80v. or 6 months paid in aces high.
now rules
1. only can fly entire tod 109g10 and 109g6 all sorties must be in fighter mode. No other sortie in game of any kind untill record broke. Thoguht on this is keeps guys from playing when nubers low and threats low from haveing adavantage of when numbers hi threats hi they don't fly other planes waiting for numbers to be low again.........
2. Must record name of every kill, use films these must be kept to keep duel accounts out of contest. ( you don't have to save films just names off all your kills) which can then be checked in fighter stats.
3. You must state before start next tour your intentions to try.
4. any european wins he or she responsible for shipping and power converters. and any charges for ace's high over 79 dollars for 6months charge.
5. in case of tie shortest hours in game will break tie.
to win you must have 352 kills in these 2 plane types no Deaths and 5 bails or ditches. Any death and your out contest. no exceptions.
Wie ghents have fun all.............
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thats a HELL of an offer rod
would be fun, but i can't fly :( no internet @ home.
good luck all
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Originally posted by rod367th
top prize of the line Sony 5 disc dvd play brand new in box model dvp-nc80v. or 6 months paid in aces high.
now rules
1. only can fly entire tod 109g10 and 109g6 all sorties must be in fighter mode. No other sortie in game of any kind untill record broke. Thoguht on this is keeps guys from playing when nubers low and threats low from haveing adavantage of when numbers hi threats hi they don't fly other planes waiting for numbers to be low again.........
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1. Why to fly only 109s all tour?! would be too boring, i would say you are not competing in other planes, soo you can die in any other planes, but not in 109s
2. not everyone has time to fly too much in 1 tour, soo why not to be able to finish the next tour?
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Originally posted by rod367th
top prize of the line Sony 5 disc dvd play brand new in box model dvp-nc80v. or 6 months paid in aces high.
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I'll add another 100$,for the prize, or 6 months AH paied,
HTC can hold them anytime from my card if is getting serious:)
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they can fly any thing they like after 352 kills or out because of death.
couple of reasons
1. not dying in mornings is alot easier than evenings with 500 players on instead ot 50..........some might fly 109's when chance of dying low and other planes when chance high.
2. Hartman only flew 109's so to be true eric haryman winner only fly 109's
okay 1 exception goons.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
If you do get to the k/d of E Hartman it would be cool if only those guys who did it to get the plane skin. :)
good idea, i think this was Hartmann's 109 skin,
(http://www.s96920072.onlinehome.us/Gal3/2001-2100/Gal2050_Bf-109_Manzoli/01.jpg)
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Ghi ;lets do bounty on guys in contest say 3 months subsrciptiion to who ever shots down the most of guys in contest/ Eric had price on his head this would add some fun. only rule is U have to kill these contest players in a allied plane?
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On June 23 1944 near the Ploesti oilfields Hartmann claimed 4 Mustangs on his first sortie vs the Americans. This action is described on pages 161 - 165. On his 5th mission vs the Americans near Ploesti Hartmann claimed another Mustang and set another on fire (that one most likely didnt make it home either) This engagement ended with Hartmann completely defensive vs 8 Mustangs and is also when he bailed after his 109 ran out of fuel. This action is described on pages 165- 169. He claimed two more Mustangs late in the war over Czechoslovakia while trying to intercept a Russian bombing raid. That action is described on pages 171 - 172.
See my post above. Or just go to Mr. Barbas' site and ask him personally. Mr. Barbas' is writing the history of JG52 and has attended everyone one of JG52s yearly reunions going back 20 years.
Also Hartmann's claims can be found on Tony Wood's site (if the bandwidth problems are ever figured out). Mr. Woods data comes from actual LW records. You can also find a list of 'Hartmann' claims on the Kacha's web page(see link I provided). You can also email the web master there for more info.
Researcher and author Jean-Yves Lorant has researched Hartmann's claims as well and he states that Hartmann only claimed 1 Mustang on 24.6.44. He goes on to say:
If you find informations about four Mustang on that day, it's simply false. His next kill was on 27 june 1944 was a Lavochkin La-5 !
Mr. Lorant posts on several LW forums and you should have no trouble tracking him down and asking him for more info.
Using Toliver/Constable's book as a source is pointless. Not only does it contain incorrect information for the time, new information and research since their book was published has has come to light.
There may be some errors, after all even the authors are human and we all know that all humans make mistakes from time to time, yet I doubt that it is *full of errors* since the authors told the story as it was told to them by Hartmann himself.
Hartmann didn't dictate the book to them. They wrote it, and yes 'full of errors' is accurate.
Contact the above researchers if you don't believe me.
His final kill total is known imo, 352.
Hartmann, like many other pilots, has a number of 'unconfirmed claims' as well as 'confirmedl claims' that are 'questionable'. Hartmann has stated that on many occasions he didn't wait around to watch the enemy aircraft hit the ground or for the pilot to bale out. Many of his kill claims were deep over enemy territory and couldn't be observed from the ground nor could the wreckage be observed. Hartmann was no super man.
Since researchers have only been able to review his first log book they are only in position to validate the first 150 or so. Even then as as I said above there was no real effort made in correctly ID'ing the specific plane type. That's why you see so many 'LaGG' claims. Without his second log book verifying his exact total number of kills / claims is impossible. It could be lower or higher for that matter.
To many times folks try to discredit those who have achieved amazing things, sometimes they have good reason to, other times they only attempt to discredit because they themselves cannot fathom how such feats were accomplished.
That's here nor there. Good researchers are always 'skeptics'. They arrive at conclusions based on established facts and evidence. The simple fact is there is no evidence to support 5 -7 (depending on who or what you read) Mustangs shot down by Hartmann. The evidence only shows 2*.
This does nothing to discredit Hartmann as a person. What does it matter if he only had 250 kills or if his true total was higher then 352 (it quite possibly could be)? This kind thing only really matters to the fact checkers and number geeks.
*fyi
03.45 Hartman is credited with 1 P-51 (Stab I./JG 52 was operating from the following airfields in March 1945: Weidengut (1.-16.3.45), Chrudim (16.-27.3.45), Raschdorf (27.-29.3.45) and Raudnitz (29.3.-17.4.45)) according to Barbas/Rajlich (on Kacha´s web page linked above).
According to Toliver/Constable Hartmann attacked a P-51 formation in '45 with his wingman that was above a Soviet Yak / P-39 formation (around 25 e/a) that was covering a formation of around 30 Bostons / Pe-2s.
Again according to Toliver/Constable, Hartmann claimed 2 P-51s shot down (smoking, but did not observe them crash) and then proceeded through the Soviet fighters to hit a Boston (Hartmann was not sure if it went either). According to Barbas/Rajlich (see the link Kacha's web page) Hartmann only claimed and / or was credited 1 of these P-51s (no. 347). The first P-51 may have been no. 346, but Barbas/Rajlich list it as just an e/a. As its been established JG52 made no extra effort in correctly ID'ing then aircraft thet made claims against. This 'e/a' could very well have been a Soviet fighter.
The second Rotte of JG 52 shot down one further P-51 (pilot baled out). JG 52 then escaped while the Soviet and USAAF fighters apparently engaged each other (Hartmann observed 3 Yaks going down burning and 1 P-51 with a glycol leak but I haven't found any confirmation of this).
Barbas/Rajlich (see the link to Kacha's web page) have one Boston / B-25 claim on 1 or 2.45 (No. 335) and one B-26 (according to Toliver/Constable a B-25) on 10.4.45 (No. 346).
That's only 2 P-51s for Hartmann and possibly a third...
You can rely solely on Toliver/Constable if you choose but a lot folks have researched Hartmann. I listed 3 that you can contact for yourself.
Anyway this thread is way o/t. Folks have spent much more time researching Hartmann then either of us and even they arrive at different conclusions. I doubt anything will get solved by pro-longing this thread.
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I am in, just for a sake of it. 5 bails or ditches makes it easier to get. Biggest problem is that I will hardly have enough time to play.
BTW, there are 2 problems you will face. First is disconnects. How you will count them? It is quite easy to force disconnect when you are without a wing for example. It is also easy to get disco for simple net issues. This tour I got 1 disco when without a wing and enemy fighter on me. Then I got 3 more when in a process of a good fat vulch. I just want to say, you can't control it. It can be in your favour, it can be against. And anyway they will look suspicious.
Second, films are huge. How you gonna check them? If I will upload films for so many hours, it will cost more money for me, than 5 times the current prize.
But anyway, I think this idea is good. Add something interesting for people, because TOD is again delayed, and lot of people are badly burned out.
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I doubt anything will get solved by pro-longing this thread.
Of course nothing will get solved, to much documentation is now missing, especially Hartmann's second log book. However it IS fun to talk about it :)
Hartmann's second log book was taken from him by the Soviets, if it ever turns up alot of specualtion on what types and how many of each aircraft he shot down should be solved :)
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Originally posted by rod367th
Ghi ;lets do bounty on guys in contest say 3 months subsrciptiion to who ever shots down the most of guys in contest/ Eric had price on his head this would add some fun. only rule is U have to kill these contest players in a allied plane?
that is an awsome idea.
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NOOOOO KITTY THATS MY POTPIE
this is an eric cartman thread right
:rofl :rofl :aok
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I just want to say, you can't control it. It can be in your favour, it can be against.
Just take that as divine intervention like engine failure, bird strike, heart attack, friendly fire whatever. Noone ever has full control of his enviroment - makes it more realistic if you ask me.
I am in... though as Fariz for me time will be the most challenging factor!
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Score padding vulching to win should be scorned in this deal. Hartman didn't get to vulch, so keep it in that spirit. Yeah, vulches will happen, but I'm talking about the habitual lame crap that the score types pull to improve their rank day in and day out. Another good reason to film.
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i'm out not going to do contest too much bullchit.............. thought was great idea GHI.............
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Hartman didn't get to vulch, so keep it in that spirit.
The romantic days of chivalry ended long before WW2 started. It was live or die. Pilots were taught to use every advantage they get. Many dogfights ended before the victim knew it began.
It was war. Not the ".ef" hit fly again MA routine. I say use what every advantage you get to reach the goal. Fly to live.
What would be a "good" kill to count towards score? Same alt, speed, E status? A slashing attack out of the sun on a non-aware victim does not count? Come on. If you manage to get 350+ kills by vulching without death you did something right - or rather the others did everything wrong. Every arm-chair-pilot getting vulched more than once deserved it.
There is no way MA resembles what is was like - so keep the rules simple. The goal is hard enough!
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Originally posted by rod367th
i'm out not going to do contest too much bullchit..
Cheese with that?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Cheese with that?
Exactly why I decided not to use my money or time. guys like you that just sphew bs on boards never do anything to help com or others. Thank you for making my point clear.............
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Originally posted by rod367th
Exactly why I decided not to use my money or time. guys like you that just sphew bs on boards never do anything to help com or others. Thank you for making my point clear.............
Keep your money and keep your time. Although you keep saying what a great asset you are to the community, I have never seen you do anything but stir up crap and then whine about it. Get over it.
You are more than welcome.
Fries?
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About vulches: when I am streaking I avoid them as plague.
1) if you deack, even if you are very experience deacker, there is a chance to be killed by ack. I am very good in deacking, I kill may be a thousand acks during any active tour, but still I am killed by acks sometimes. It is also manned acks, which are absolutly deadly during deacking, because for some short time you shall face them.
2) if your engine is hit over enemy field, you are low, and chances you can make it even to ditch are small.
3) if someone else deack it, you usually do not know when it is back. Even if you know it, manned down only 15 minutes, they can spawn under you, and kill you.
4) flacks and m16s.
I pay attention that when I play for strat or scores, vulch kills about half of my kills, when I play for kill streaks -- they are about 10% of my kills.
I also stay away form puffy acks and fleets with those crazy 5''.
Playing for long kill streak mean you shall be very patient, shall keep alt and energy, and disengage when situation turning against you. Just like in reality. Any time eneny guns facing you is a risk. So you shall pick most of the time.
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Originally posted by Fariz
About vulches: when I am streaking I avoid them as plague.
Ahhh, that explains it. Three years in the game I must have met you the two times when you were not streaking. All I saw was you fighting another 30 for the vulch and ack was up :lol Also the first to get out of when the single green dod apeared on radar :aok
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Originally posted by Fariz
About vulches: when I am streaking I avoid them as plague.
:D :aok
Reporter):
Hello, everyone, this is your action news reporter with all the news
that is news across the nation, on the scene at the supermarket. There
seems to have been some disturbance here. Pardon me, sir, did you see
what happened?
(Witness):
Yeah, I did. I's standin' overe there by the tomaters, and here he
come, running through the pole beans, through the fruits and vegetables,
nekkid as a jay bird. And I hollered over t' Ethel, I said, "Don't
look, Ethel!" But it's too late, she'd already been incensed.
(Chorus)
Here he comes, look at that, look at that
There he goes, look at that, look at that
And he ain't wearin' no clothes
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
Look at that, look at that
Fastest thing on two feet
Look at that, look at that
He's just as proud as he can be
Of his anatomy
He goin' give us a peek
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
Look at that, look at that
He likes to show off his physique
Look at that, look at that
If there's an audience to be found
He'll be streakin' around
Invitin' public critique
(Reporter):
This is your action news reporter once again, and we're here at the gas
station. Pardon me, sir, did you see what happened?
(Witness):
Yeah, I did. I's just in here gettin my car checked, he just appeared
out of the traffic. Come streakin' around the grease rack there, didn't
have nothin' on but a smile. I looked in there, and Ethel was gettin'
her a cold drink. I hollered, "Don't look, Ethel!" But it was too
late. She'd already been mooned. Flashed her right there in front of
the shock absorbers.
(Chorus)
He ain't crude, look at that, look at that
He ain't lewd, look at that, look at that
He's just in the mood to run in the nude
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak
Look at that, look at that
He likes to turn the other cheek
Look at that, look at that
He's always makin' the news
Wearin' just his tennis shoes
Guess you could call him unique
(Reporter):
Once again, your action news reporter in the booth at the gym, covering
the disturbance at the basketball playoff. Pardon me, sir, did you see
what happened?
(Witness):
Yeah, I did. Half time, I's just goin' down thar to get Ethel a snow
cone. And here he come, right out of the cheap seats, dribbling, right
down the middle of the court. Didn't have on nothing but his PF's.
Made a hook shot and got out through the concessions stand. I hollered up
at Ethel, I said, "Don't look, Ethel!" But it was too late. She'd
already got a free shot. Grandstandin', right there in front of the
home team.
(Chorus) (Witness):
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak Here he comes again.
Look at that, look at that Who's that with him?
The fastest thing on two feet Ethel? Is that you, Ethel?
Look at that, look at that What do you think you're
He's just as proud as he can be doin'? You git your
Of his anatomy clothes on!
He's gonna give us a peek
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak Ethel! Where you goin'?
Look at that, look at that Ethel, you shameless
He likes to show off his physique hussy! Say it isn't so,
Look at that, look at that Ethel! Ethelllllll!!!
If there's an audience to be found
He'll be streakin' around
Invitin' public critique
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ahhh, that explains it. Three years in the game I must have met you the two times when you were not streaking. All I saw was you fighting another 30 for the vulch and ack was up :lol Also the first to get out of when the single green dod apeared on radar :aok
Then you are unlucky =) Quite often I can be vulched or found low in 1 vs many, usually it happens when I am in a mood to work on my ACM. Actually, I can be in acm mood for many weeks, and fight in planes which are bad for defensive dogfight. This puts my kill rate very close to 1.0 some tours.
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But Hartmann had how many years to accomplish 352? We should have at least 6 years :aok