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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKSeaWulfe on April 09, 2001, 02:33:00 PM
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Sometime over the weekend I recieved notification that I would not be part of the beta team. (well I ain't buyin it then until I read the bug reports from someone other than part of their beta testing team)
Anyways, here's the email I recieved. I find it kind of interesting, while I know they are Russian and their English may not be good I was a little perplexed by the following email:
Dear friend,
We are sorry to inform you that you lost the contest for "IL-2.
Sturmovik"
beta-testing and will not be able to take part in it.
Thank you for participating in the contest. We are sure you will have more luck next time.
Your IL2 Team
The interesting/confusing part is the whole idea that I lost(?) a contest(?). What "contest" did I "lose"? The asskissing one? No doubt unless you posted 4000 times on the IL2 message board "Oh I want to plant a nice big kiss on your bellybutton Oleg", you won't "win" this "contest"...
So in conclusion, if this was indeed a contest between idiots posting about a game that isn't even out yet... chances are you've lost unless you post like Ripsnort on PCP (6000+ posts in a year times 5000) over on the IL2 boards.
Bitter? No. I just have a feeling the people they picked are going to be the ones that beta tested B172....
When's the next IL2 beta-ass-kissing-contest registration begin? I want to know I'm actually in a competition rather than blindly sign up for one.
<G>
-SW
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LOL...I got the same email. I thought it kinda strange for them to inform me that I lost a contest too.
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I would have worn a different bathing suit...
honestly though, I think what we are seeing is a Russian trying to speak English, and getting a little mixed up... I wouldn't be surprised if 'contest' was next to the entry for 'drawing' - from what I understood, it was completely random, aside from perhaps a few different systems they wanted the game to be tried on.
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Yep,
IL-2 board sometimes reminds me of an ass-kissing contest, I guess it's all about how much you want to give up to get your hands on a copy of the game before everyone else does.
mx22
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"The selection and registration of candidates for the beta testing begins immediately. Blue Byte will choose suitable candidates from those applying to take part. This will be done on the basis of the candidate's hardware in tandem with a random selection process."
Seriously guys... its just the translation... don't get too worked up about it.
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
"The selection and registration of candidates for the beta testing begins immediately. Blue Byte will choose suitable candidates from those applying to take part. This will be done on the basis of the candidate's hardware in tandem with a random selection process."
Seriously guys... its just the translation... don't get too worked up about it.
I'm not, but did you check out one of the posts by one of the guys selected? "This is my first beta test"... okay, and I've been in several so again... I "lost" the "contest" how? Hey to each their own, bet you 10 bucks IL2 gets the royal pooch screw before it gets shipped out. Can anyone say Red Baron II?
Hehe, you fellas might not want to buy the game until it's been out for a few months.. else you might wanna bend over and get shafted by the "IL2 Team".
Just advice from someone who bought Red Baron II and B17-2 and FS:SDOE... (good concepts.. but where in the hell did their flight model go???? I'd tell you, but then I'd have to keel you ;-)
-SW
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
Seriously guys... its just the translation... don't get too worked up about it.
I'm not getting worked up about it.... I just thought it was funny.
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Dear friend,
Congratulation! You were chosen for beta-testing of "IL-2. Sturmovik".
Thank you for participating in the contest. Please wait for beta release.
Your IL2 Team
Hmmmm....
I never made a single post on the IL-2 board. <G>
So much for that theory. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Get over it SeaWulfe and just be happy that this means that the release and independent reviews (or bug reports like you call them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) are getting closer.
Yeah Jihad. Some guy over at SimHQ was complaining about all the hype for a while until he later informed that he had just recieve e-mail with beta-acceptance. Maybe you should try go over there and complain Seawulfe. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(PS: The above example turned out to be pure coincidence. At least that was what Oleg said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
[This message has been edited by LLv34_Snefens (edited 04-09-2001).]
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jihad,
I didn't imply that selection was made that way, just my opinion on what I saw on the board.
mx22
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No thanks Snefens, I just thought the email they sent out was "funny" in the way it was worded and the way it was presented.
Besides, if they want to run whatever form of a "sim" they have right now into the ground by choosing inexperienced beta testers that are playing the game not actively searching through the entire game to find bugs... well that's their choice.
I actually don't care to be part of the beta test, I just have this awkward feeling (hmmm past experiences maybe?) that they chose some of the least experienced people to test the software. Maybe they were going for the "Wow these graphics are sooooo cool" crowd so they wouldn't have to deal with the "Hey... wait a second this isn't working right" crowd. Path of least resistance I guess? ;-)
Jihad is in the beta test? Hmmmmm why do I feel my opinion of what's going on with that beta test process quickly being proven correct? (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/laughing/lol2.gif)
-SW
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Most stupid thread I've seen in ages...
Or best troll I've seen here in a while (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ps: How did you know they selected inexperienced people to test it?
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Does that mean im still in the competition? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
tho, i haven't got "congrats, you won" messages either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
and i can't blame on the slow postal worker either.
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Originally posted by Staga:
ps: How did you know they selected inexperienced people to test it?
Well, I will find out for sure when it goes Gold... now won't I? (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/evil/baicon7.gif)
Simple fact that already one person is confirmed as having zilch experience as far as beta testing (load testing, feature testing, command testing, etc) makes me shudder... (http://www.mpz.co.uk/cwm/otn/other/1blushudder.gif) and think twice about even considering on buying IL2.
-SW
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Every game that has ever been beta tested has had at least one person with no experience doing it.
How do you think that people get experience?
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
Every game that has ever been beta tested has had at least one person with no experience doing it.
How do you think that people get experience?
Not true, games that were compiled years ago had only in house beta testing. AW and CK were the first games to offer beta testing outside of the company.. but that's because they were both based around being online.
But anyway that's neither here nor there. I still find the email a little funny in it's wording and had a good laugh when I initially recieved it. Just the idea of signing up for a beta test and being told I "lost" a "contest" made me break out laughing hysterically at work. I had no intention of bringing up the part about who actually got into the beta testing process until I read the Blue Byte BBS. I got this feeling from reading who posted there that they "won" the "contest" that it's going to be turned into a keWl dO0dZ gAmE.
Maybe it won't, but in a year or so EVERYONE will find out. If there are a lot of AH players in the beta testing process, don't let it go south please(assuming it's heading north in the first place).
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 04-09-2001).]
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Jihad is in the beta test? Hmmmmm why do I feel my opinion of what's going on with that beta test process quickly being proven correct?
-SW
What the hell are you trying to imply?
Be a man - don't beat around the bush like a whining lil girl.
If you have something to say to me or about me lets hear it.
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I work in Software QA.
Keep in mind that the outside people are simply to get more hours, eyes and systems on it. All of the professional system testing will be done in house.
Only a company looking to go out of business would rely soley on outside, volunteer QA. They have no way of telling how much experience a volunteer has. Just because they say they are experienced doesn't mean that they are.
I think you are being a bit harsh SeaWulfe.
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They didnt select me either.
I too thought that the wording was funny. But not as funny as my attempt at russian would have been.
I have no delusions that the game will be lame because I am not a beta tester.
Madox seems to be doing a good job. Until I played Ah I never knew what a good fm looked like. But I hope Il2 is at least as good.
Sour grapes thread supremo
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Interpret it whatever way you guys want to, I play AH and this is where my fun is had.
Do I care *I* wasn't picked? No... my 56K can't handle the download, and my last "beta" (alpha?) test was the last incarnation of the dreaded Confirmed Kill. That soured me on the whole experience. I was just a little disappointed when I read the threads by the people who had been accepted, I'd rather see someone else with more experience do it.
Am I being too harsh? Maybe, if it was 1993. Unfortunately we HAVE seen this happen time and again, that being that games get run straight into the ground because of shoddy beta testing. Do you want me to name MORE games than the above? I can... It's not just the flight/combat sim genre.
So, Pongo, your assessment of why I started the thread (read the first post again... sour grapes? Don't think so) is completely off track. It was after I went to the Blue Byte BBS to read threads by those who had been selected that I got a bad feeling.
It's possible I'm wrong, I've only seen 8 years of computer games cycle in and out... The most recent beta test I've actually read about and experienced the end result was a complete disaster - made by Wayward, published by MicroProse/Hasbro.. need I say more?
Pongo, really your post was way off.. I can go more into this. It wasn't the wording, it was the words used. I've conversed with spanish people in broken spanish/english and they have done it in broken english/spanish. Understood each other fine, the only difference was they wouldn't use words like "wheel" instead of "tire". See what I mean? Contest is like wheel, "beta testing phase" is like tire. Two completely different things, and I found it amusing in the way it was presented to me. Careful.. do you know how many Americans (I know you are Canadian... but you are attached to America by land) a year go to foreign countries with absolutely no knowledge of how to speak the language? They are equipped with just a xxxx-english dictionary (xxx would be the country's language) and make so many grammatical errors it IS FUNNY to the country they are visiting.
It isn't that I'm not a beta tester, Pongo, it's that I have the impression from the one's posting that have been selected that it will become dumbed down.
Anyways, fine so you all think I'm sour about not being selected.. I don't have a UBB account over there and I check the screen shot area every 2 to 6 months. Boy, I must be hard pressed for this game and give two toejams about it...
I bought B17-2, I feel it's MY duty to blow some sunshine up everybody's bellybutton about IL-2 in case it goes the same route. You never know, you might actually thank me.
-SW
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Originally posted by jihad:
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What the hell are you trying to imply?
Be a man - don't beat around the bush like a whining lil girl.
If you have something to say to me or about me lets hear it.[/B]
Be a man over the internet? Boy, that's about as rediculous as the way you portray yourself over the internet. You want to hear what I think about the way you treat people online? We can do in person, this is not a threat but I feel that it would be easier to do it face to face. Get an idea of how each other is coming off and how each other behaves in reality.
Yes I have things to say about you, but only to you and not anyone else. You want to move it to email, we can.
weissdr1@yahoo.com
We can communicate or not, up to you.
-SW
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:-P I got in too.
If you guys are going to start a sh*t-throwing contest over a fricken beta test application, then you probably have too much time on your hands.
here is a general rule of thumb:
Don't post something that you *know* is gonna rile somebody.
Try that, and see how many get angry at you on the board.
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Seawulf has gone a whole thread without posing one of his personal skill/accomplishment charts, Is everything ok with him????? Maybe hes ill?
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Celebrity deathmantch; hazed vs Seawulfe.
THIS is something for Duma to make Loose Rivets about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
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I have no problem with Beta testing, as it is important to test products before releasing them to the public.
As a matter of fact, I finally launched a internet company, " Beer of the Day Club", which appeals to the folks that think the "Beer of the Month Club" is obsurd in it's frequency.
I will be taking applications for Beta testers effective immediatley.
All you have to do is fill out this simple test.
A. I like to work for nothing.
Yes - No
B. I'd rather have a title than money or a raise.
Yes - No
C. I can send beer everyday to Creamo for testing purposes.
Yes - No
Simple.
Good luck men.
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"IL-2 board sometimes reminds me of an ass-kissing contest"
And this board does not lol! you guys are too funny.
luv ya all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Seawulf has gone a whole thread without posing one of his personal skill/accomplishment charts, Is everything ok with him????? Maybe hes ill?
Tour 12:
AKSWulfe has 74 kills and has been killed 17 times in the fw190A-5.
Tour 7:
AKSWulfe has 115 kills and has been killed 18 times in the fw190A-5.
(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/mfinger/finger.gif)
-SW
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Glad u made it in Jihad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Congrats
Maik
P.S.: Keep us informed as much you are allowed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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I got selected as well...Ill be seeing you guys over Mother Russia!!
Nefari
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Thx SW that chart cleared it all up for me. Impeccably relevant data, as usual!!!! <S> hehe
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Almost as relevant as your "hispano whines" that pop into almost every thread with your name in it, huh Grun? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fat Drunk "Chute Shooting" Bastards
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Can't we all just get along? BTW, jihad, think you can leak that beta to me? Eh? Wink wink. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I agree that beta testing for sims like WWII Fighters, SDOE, B17-II, CFS2 and BoB must have been a joke.
Same thing for pre-reviews by very well known sim WEB sites. You simply cannot rely on them.
And developers seldom have enuff experience and knowledge about WWII air combat. The best teams around are those from WB, AH and WW2OL. And the best beta testers are their players.
Looks like Oleg Maddox is doing an excellent job and I'm sure that there are enuff hardcore online simmers in the beta team.
Dont get pissed off AKSw ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I for one hope to be transferred to the eastern front ASAP (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)