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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ramesis on October 25, 2005, 07:50:29 PM
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furballers/strat folks...first I am a strat guy and pretty much suk at both..
but I am amazed at this ongoing debate about the subject for the following reasons:
1) The Maps in MA seem to be designed for strat/base taking as after
all,for furballing, 10 or 20 bases would be sufficient.
2) For those whom only wish to furball, it seems (and yes I've seen this
mentioned on theses boards before) that the DA/CT is perfect for
that pursuit. That being the case, why are those areas not
overflowing with furballers?
And btw this is no troll... I HATE fishing LOL
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There are many posts about this topic. Do some searches and read through the older ones. These types of threads tend to go downhill quickly.
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Ill tell you why. Cause people love to argue. Just for arguments sake.
And any human dislikes someone else having a different opinion on any given subject.
And why should *I* move if i can push around someone else just as easily?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Ill tell you why. Cause people love to argue. Just for arguments sake.
And any human dislikes someone else having a different opinion on any given subject.
And why should *I* move if i can push around someone else just as easily?
ha, pretty smart girl. :aok
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Hey, i went to university after all....
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the only ongoing problem is the strat war becomes pointless and boring when it is one horde taking one base and another taking our base somewhere else. Its not good statergy, its just a waste of time.
the only solution to the ongoing problem is the sector ENY limit for a number of planes in peak time. this would force the strat fight to spread out more.
it would depend on ballancing unfair hordes out. if there was 50 planes against each other, nothing would be limited.
but, remembering the last time i brought this up i wont bother any further.
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i bet you $1 it doesn't get locked.
edit: :rofl wtg megadud, got yours deleted seconds before i posted. maybe there is hope for you!
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Hey Mega, i found that post pretty smart. A shame you deleted it...
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ah but he deleted it which showed maybe not true BK'edness? :eek:
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want me to repost it?
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Yes.
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ok...
this is how this is going to go...
Furballer: you smell
Toolshedder: you do
furballer: you and you are ugly
Toolshedder: you are and that's not what your sister said
Furballer: oh yea meet me at the next con
Toolshedder: you are disrespectful and you should be ashamed of yourself
SKUZZY: (whips out PWN STICK) WHOP!! Take that!!!
thread...closed...
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There it is schatzi :aok
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Originally posted by mechanic
i bet you $1 it doesn't get locked.
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you're on!!1!one!! :D
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TY.
PS: Whats that sig of yours mean Mega???? What about the women having to endure endless "*mine's* bigger"s all day?
Edit: I preferred the 'toolshedder' to the 'stratdoof'.... less biased ;).
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well, i think strat and furballers are best serving each other hand in hand. (sick jokes aside) why cant us more fighter inclined types work escorts for the strat guys.
maybe if we didnt bicker and moan as we shot them down they wouldnt up la7s to pork bases and wouldnt dive bomb lancs into a CV if we provided escorts for them to climb.
is the MA not based around a land grab war these days?
If we all gave in and became part of the same engine, all the furball types would still meet up and have gret fights, but there would be formations of buffs to deffend or a squad of tanks to spot for.
we are all here, we can either moan about it or make it work.
what can you say to that without killing this thread?
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Originally posted by mechanic
If we all gave in and became part of the same engine...
Call me a pessimist, but I sincerly do not believe humanity has that in it.
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The Ladies Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213790/)
there ya go schatzi, scroll down and look at the quotes...
great and funny and underrated movie, it is where i got the fish sandwich line....
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you're a pessi-watsit. but unfortunately also a realist it would seem.
shame, because if we worked at it we could have had our own TOD years ago.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ah but he deleted it which showed maybe not true BK'edness? :eek:
Still upset huh? Let me apologize once again for any hurt I and my squad mates have caused. It was all in good fun and I hope one day you will be able to forgive us for our actions .
PS: Hiya Schatzi
PSS: Don't encourage mega, you'll regret it. I speak from experience, I encouraged him to start playing this game.
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who mentioned upset?
you wanted notoriety and now you have it. you have your own uniform language and your own 'defined in stone' personas and the BK as a squad now have a rep. you wanted that.
don't be alarmed if i am not upset just because i mention the blue knights. you guys are cool, and funny. i look up to you all really, in truth. no appology needed superdude.
i really just love you guys, and want this thread to return to the topic and not be locked.
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Those three quotes almost made it into my sig:
"Optimists think this is the best of all possible worlds. Pessimists fear that they are correct."
"A pessimist can either be proven right or be surprised pleasantly."
"A Cynic is an Optimist with life experience."
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can we add, off the top of my head..
"a pessimist can inspire thousands to improve their lives, while their own will not be fufilled easily"
and
"an optimist can inspire thousands around them with false hope and in time dissolution, whilst they themselves may live on impervious."
?
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Originally posted by mechanic
who mentioned upset?
you wanted notoriety and now you have it. you have your own uniform language and your own 'defined in stone' personas and the BK as a squad now have a rep. you wanted that.
don't be alarmed if i am not upset just because i mention the blue knights. you guys are cool, and funny. i look up to you all really, in truth. no appology needed superdude.
i really just love you guys, and want this thread to return to the topic and not be locked.
Cool, glad you aren't upset. You're a good guy. I really didn't want you to be upset, I wasn't hoping that you were. You just seemed angry and lately you bring up the BKs a lot. I know that last part about looking up to the BKs is sarcasm lol.
I don't think our little troll was for notoriety, you either knew us or not. I don't think what we did changed anything or made us more "famous". We simply did that for a laugh. Maybe it was in bad taste, but it happened and it's over. Anyway, hope everythings going good for ya batty, CYA up.
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stop spoiling my illusions!
i have only just got used to getting along with some of you guys who i know are only pretending to be -A-holes.
but whatever you say. you have all placed yourselve as a squad up for instant judgement. in essence you have stated that none of you can think alone and you work as a unit to achieve a common goal together. ie: you're either with us or against us.
i have no hard feelings and never had any in the first place. just a persistant point of view, just like yours.
only difference was my point of view was purely mine. no one else influenced anything i ever posted.
cyas up dud, im sure it will be me infront of your guns.
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Originally posted by mechanic
stop spoiling my illusions!
i have only just got used to getting along with some of you guys who i know are only pretending to be -A-holes.
but whatever you say. you have all placed yourselve as a squad up for instant judgement. in essence you have stated that none of you can think alone and you work as a unit to achieve a common goal together. ie: you're either with us or against us.
i have no hard feelings and never had any in the first place. just a persistant point of view, just like yours.
only difference was my point of view was purely mine. no one else influenced anything i ever posted.
cyas up dud, im sure it will be me infront of your guns.
Ahhh, well I'm sorry you feel that way. And I think when/if we meet it'll be the other way around:D I'm only a dud after all.
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dont be sorry dud of super characteristics.....i feel no sorrow, nor should you. dont take anything i say too seriously. thats how you wanted me to be remember.
damn, i might be losing a $ here for what ever rule pointless/hijaked threads comes under...
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Originally posted by mechanic
stop spoiling my illusions!
i have only just got used to getting along with some of you guys who i know are only pretending to be -A-holes.
but whatever you say. you have all placed yourselve as a squad up for instant judgement. in essence you have stated that none of you can think alone and you work as a unit to achieve a common goal together. ie: you're either with us or against us.
i have no hard feelings and never had any in the first place. just a persistant point of view, just like yours.
only difference was my point of view was purely mine. no one else influenced anything i ever posted.
cyas up dud, im sure it will be me infront of your guns.
Now if only the judgement mattered... :D
Superdud actually influences my judgement. I once thought that one legged, alaskan hemaprhodites who peddled items on the street which they made out of their dried feces were disgusting... Then I met superdud, and all that changed. He/she really is a good person under it all. :lol
I guess I'm going to get flamed now for not being serious enough...
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on the contrary, its the occasionally serious people who get flamed into lowering their conduct with SOME of the not so serious people.
super is so sexy for his/her latest operations, one of these days i think it will find a goos sheep to settle down with that will love it for who a superdud really is! everyone deserves love.
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You guys have made me sooooo happy@!
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give us a hug sweet heart, and may i advise a little less eye liner. you have the most beautifull natural lashes!
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Originally posted by mechanic
stop spoiling my illusions!
i have only just got used to getting along with some of you guys who i know are only pretending to be -A-holes.
but whatever you say. you have all placed yourselve as a squad up for instant judgement. in essence you have stated that none of you can think alone and you work as a unit to achieve a common goal together. ie: you're either with us or against us.
i have no hard feelings and never had any in the first place. just a persistant point of view, just like yours.
only difference was my point of view was purely mine. no one else influenced anything i ever posted.......
Poetry on the borg collective.
Dave
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Originally posted by Ramesis
2) For those whom only wish to furball, it seems (and yes I've seen this
mentioned on theses boards before) that the DA/CT is perfect for
that pursuit. That being the case, why are those areas not
overflowing with furballers?
And btw this is no troll... I HATE fishing LOL
just so you know, the CT is prime for strat since there's so few players to oppose it.
and FYI, in the DA there is also an area called Bomber Alley with a buncha strat stuff to destroy.
The TA would also be great for the straters since, again, there's so few to oppose any strategerizing.
yanno? :aok
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Shane
TA doesn't work for strat types, since they can't blow anything up.
(weapons lethality reduced to .0001)
TA would work better for furballers, but they need to either furball away from a1, or ask before engaging. Both seem to be equally impossible for furballers.
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Ill tell you why. Cause people love to argue. Just for arguments sake.
And any human dislikes someone else having a different opinion on any given subject.
And why should *I* move if i can push around someone else just as easily?
No they DONT!
:D
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Originally posted by mechanic
the only solution to the ongoing problem is the sector ENY limit for a number of planes in peak time. this would force the strat fight to spread out more.
it would depend on ballancing unfair hordes out. if there was 50 planes against each other, nothing would be limited.
I've always been in favor of a numbers limiter on feilds kicked in by ENY
And ENY be kicked in by sector or zones. of say 2 sectors square
that is When ENY kicks in it also limits the numbers of aircraft allowed up from any given feild within the effected sectors.
Somehow somethings should be done though I agree.
More often then not I am finding I am havng two choices.
Being horded or being part of a horde. as two hordes rarely end up meeting one another
While fun for a little while. Both get old very quickly
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
No they DONT!
:D
YES! They *do*! :furious
:lol
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Shane... CT IS prime for furballers for the very reason you suggest..
so few players.
DA seems to be perfect for furballers as in fact that is what
is going on in there.
TA doesn't work for either (except the very noobs) as despite
what Gh says furballers can't kill each other and straters can't
kill or drop anything.
Enjoy..
RAM
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Gh.. Unless I've missed something (highly possible), there is no place
in TA where a furballer can kill an opponent nor can a Strater kill
an object... if there is let me know as I do go there to practice the db
thing.
Enjoy
RAM
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Originally posted by Ramesis
Shane... CT IS prime for furballers for the very reason you suggest..
so few players.
DA seems to be perfect for furballers as in fact that is what
is going on in there.
TA doesn't work for either (except the very noobs) as despite
what Gh says furballers can't kill each other and straters can't
kill or drop anything.
Enjoy..
RAM
I don't think our definition of "furball" is the same. You see, furballs are the best when there are LOTS of folks participating. If I wanted a 1 on 1 "duel" I would head to the duelling arena. If I want an all-out fight against a gaggle of people who are all there to kill each other, I look to the MA because there are hundereds of folks in that arena. The odds of finding 20 or so who don't run away from a good fight is better than any other arena where there will be 20 folks total.
Truth is, this horse has been beaten many times in the past. Others have had this same false epiphany that you are describing here and it just doesn't shake out in the end. The MA is where the action is, and thats where you'll find the furballers.
:aok
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Originally posted by Nomak
Poetry on the borg collective.
Dave
Jealousy in motion...
Originally posted by Howitzer
I don't think our definition of "furball" is the same. You see, furballs are the best when there are LOTS of folks participating. If I wanted a 1 on 1 "duel" I would head to the duelling arena. If I want an all-out fight against a gaggle of people who are all there to kill each other, I look to the MA because there are hundereds of folks in that arena. The odds of finding 20 or so who don't run away from a good fight is better than any other arena where there will be 20 folks total.
Amen.
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I wonder why more furballers target the bomber guys rather than the opportunistic players who fly above these furballs, taking kills etc.
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mechanic, i was not aware that you were looking for a pretty single, sheep, stop by the pen, and lets see what we can find you?. I love new customers :)
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I suspect that the Stratter's who think about stuff, and who post here, are rarely the ones causing the FHs to drop near furballs. I think it usually goes like this:
Timelog 1800: numbers dweeb ups into furball zone.
1803: numbers dweeb torched by unseen enemy
1804: ups again, resolved to be more careful
1807: actually sees the fighter that rips him apart
1808: decides to tail an actual friendly fighter to help give numbers some cover
1814: friendly uses some ACM that the dweeb cant follow (can you say "yo-yo"?)
1814 1/2: numbers dweeb gets picked and yells about check 6's
1819: numbers decides best way to "get" the enemy is to take out FH's
1830: FHs down, dweeb brags on country channel "FHs down thanks to XXX"
I suspect most furball base FHs are dropped by folks who cant win in a fight -- and no I'm not referring to guys who know how to play but like to buff. I suspect these FH dropping guys are mostly frustrated middle quartile players who are looking for a way to feel accomplished.
When in a furball zone, I dont usually see disaster when the hangars burn. I usually just hang around a bit more conservatively, and since most times the hangars didnt go down all at once its just a matter of minutes till i can take off again. The players who are actually good usually can hold off the fight until the hangars are up, and the mediocrities like me can take off again to absorb some ordinance for them ;)
When what's moving in is the horde, nothing works though.
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Howitzer... you misunderstood my point and that is... if in fact there is
a group of people who ONLY wish to furball then there are venues that they can go to without the interruption of straters. Furballers who also enjoy the Strat aspect obviously will enjoy the MA. I was referring only to the pure furballer :)
RAM
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I wonder why more furballers target the bomber guys rather than the opportunistic players who fly above these furballs, taking kills etc.
Because picking score padders only worry about their precious score and landing their "kills."
A furballer's ultimate goal is to always shoot the other plane down, no matter what it is. If it's red, it must die.
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So the solution ?
Any bomber below 10K explodes.
Any fighter above 15k explodes.
Don't work huh?
Most fighters hunt buffs.
Most buffs dont have escort in MA.
Dont have anything to do with furballs.
Furballs = "Why did you steal my kill! prettythangHole.
Get in my sights I will shoot.
No rules in a furball = good fuin.
Blutic
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Originally posted by Ramesis
Howitzer... you misunderstood my point and that is... if in fact there is
a group of people who ONLY wish to furball then there are venues that they can go to without the interruption of straters. Furballers who also enjoy the Strat aspect obviously will enjoy the MA. I was referring only to the pure furballer :)
RAM
No I didn't miss it at all =) In fact I was right on the money. I really just like to furball, and I want the stratters around... You see they make for great kills, along with the bomber folks and everyone else in the MA. Furballers are there to kill folks, plain and simple and all the targets are in the MA
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Originally posted by bopeep
mechanic, i was not aware that you were looking for a pretty single, sheep, stop by the pen, and lets see what we can find you?. I love new customers :)
you have yourself a deal!
what did i have to pay you again, there must be a catch!
PS: mega i think you might owe me $1
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(http://www.furballunderground.com/megasmiles/images/icon_butt_gif.gif)
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Originally posted by mechanic
PS: mega i think you might owe me $1
Euro or American??
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wth is a euro?
$ dollar
£ real money
E ??
nope, we dont use monopoly money here thank you.
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OMFG u R TEH FUNNAY!
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And furballers dont join in the strat fight for 2 reasons...
A. It doesn't matter, the game is about flight dynamics, situational awareness and being able to put your guns on the target in a tough situation
B. It's a whole half sector 90 additional seconds of flight time dammit, they start shaking like beavis yelling "fire!!", "fire!!", "fire!!" hehehehuhhehhe!
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Originally posted by Morpheus
OMFG u R TEH FUNNAY!
The new Valley Girlese? Shortened Version.
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Ill tell you why. Cause people love to argue. Just for arguments sake.
And any human dislikes someone else having a different opinion on any given subject.
And why should *I* move if i can push around someone else just as easily?
Uhhhhh No.
There is a real problem with AH that has been around for quite some time. One that was recently addressed with teh dohnut map. And even there the fun nazis had to take the bases and screw everyone else.
The problem is at any time, day or night, at any moment I can log in and bomb some inanimate object. The same can not be said about furballing.
I think most furballers would love to see the issue resolved and not have to post to the BS thrown around by strat potatos who barely have the SA to drive to work in the morning.
And for the Einsteins that think going to the DA is a solution for the furballers, I say why don't the strat potatos just play off line it's the same thing there. :rolleyes:
BAT and Nomak, I have been defending you guys cause you got caught up in our little sharade, but enough is enough STFU already! God you two have turned into a pair of cry babies. Whaaaaa you got duped and you both carriered on like a bunch of noobs. Fawning over the BK break up like it was a big deal. pleeeaaaaasssseeeeee. And even worse you act like it is such a terrible thing, "Ohhhh the BKs aren't my heros anymore, whimper whimper." Let it go and get over it. See it for the joke it was and move on:rolleyes: