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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on October 26, 2005, 05:49:43 PM
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Remember Michael Brown, the man Bush hand picked to run FEMA then screwed the pooch? He was fired, right? Wrong.
Michael Brown is still on the FEMA payroll. He was given a 30 day reprieve and stayed on the FEMA payroll as a consultant. Today, he was given another 30 day extension and remains on the Bush cronie teat.
:confused:
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Consider it knowledge transfer.
Say, isn't there bigger fish to fry on Bush than Brownie? You're slacking rpm...3 more years, I love to watch people squirm! :D
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Knowledge transfer? A man is fired for incompetence and you keep him on to train the newbie? Now that's a winning strategy.
There certainly IS bigger fish to fry, Kove size. This just struck me as a perfect example of the corruption this administration has patented.
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Originally posted by rpm
There certainly IS bigger fish to fry, Kove size. This just struck me as a perfect example of the corruption this administration has patented.
:noid
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May I suggest this as your new avatar?
(http://www.courthouseawarenessnews.com/Archives%20of%20campaign%20for%20county%20judge/Ostrich%20head%20in%20sand.jpg)
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That one was created in the mid-nineties for those who supported Clinton. Welcome to last decade.
Here, your theories are better fit for demonstrations such as this:
(http://www.zombietime.com/sf_rally_september_24_2005/reality-based_community/IMG_2299.JPG)
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Wait a minute Rip... Have you not heard about the outright LIES Brown told to the Senate? Or about the e-mail correspondence with a FEMA official in the Superdome? My god man. What exactly are you defending?
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it is not uncommon for out-going executives to stay on as advisors/consultants just because of the exeperience they have with their employers. It's called continuity.
Again.....mountain out of a mole hill.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
it is not uncommon for out-going executives to stay on as advisors/consultants just because of the exeperience they have with their employers. It's called continuity.
Again.....mountain out of a mole hill.
its all they got
does anyone truly care that a desk-jockey admin "cover" was blown - whoever did it?
I don't think so...
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Half a Mo'!
We have the head of FEMA saying to the SENATE that he was told by his employee that all was well in the Superdome......
We have that same employee with documentation and evidence saying to the SENATE that he said the situation was "desperate".
Then to top it off we have the press secretary of the head of FEMA sending a reply to the "desperate" e-mail saying Brownie needs more time for dinner.
But Y'all go on defending this circus.:aok
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"But Y'all go on defending this circus."
What else can clowns do? ;)
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a real republican would simply disband fema. It is a useless organization. All we should have is a warning center.
lazs
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Not just Fema. Social security, welfare, veterans benefits (if the military wanted you to have a family they would have issued you one!) and unemployment insurance programs too.
Dump these sucking-money-out-of-my-wallet "liberal inspired" social services. Let Darwinism and Intelligent Design guide the fate of the stupid and weak..
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westy... I agree. how is SS any better than any private plan ever developed? welfare? you realize that there was a time before welfare right and that no one starved? You will admit that welfare does make some people less productive than if it did not exist?
veterans benifiets? well... we owe em... it was part of their pay package. if we want to change that in the future... fine..let's see how people feel about it. I say that it is a good deal tho. war and raising an army is inefficient and wastefull but it is the only government waste that should be tolerated.
unemployment insurance? sure..dump it and give the employee the money that is being withheld to pay for it. Let him buy afflac or some private insurance for less money if he wishes... if he would rather buy more "stuff" with the extra money then.... yes... maybe darwinism is needed. But..
I give people more credit than you do. I think that most will watch and imitate what the smart ones do.
as for fema.... it is corrupt and inept. a typical government debacle. What is it's real purpose?
To hand people money for being stupid? really... what is it's function? pass out blankets? churches and charities do that and much better.. To give every scumbag who walks up and claims to be a victim a "debit card" for thousands of dollars?
lazs
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Republican Senatorial tryouts:
"Vee must rise und restore zee.. " *BANG*
Next speaker, please.
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Lazs I was being somewhat facecious. Anyway. Let's agree to just agree on those points?!
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This isn't a discussion on whether FEMA should exist.... It is about how much freakin jail time Brownie should serve!
He flat lied to the Senate.
I love this exchange....
Bahamonde to FEMA Director Michael Brown, Aug. 31, 11:20 a.m.
"Sir, I know that you know the situation is past critical. Here some things you might not know.
Hotels are kicking people out, thousands gathering in the streets with no food or water. Hundreds still being rescued from homes.
The dying patients at the DMAT tent being medivac. Estimates are many will die within hours. Evacuation in process. Plans developing for dome evacuation but hotel situation adding to problem. We are out of food and running out of water at the dome, plans in works to address the critical need.
-Sharon Worthy, Brown's press secretary, to Cindy Taylor, FEMA deputy director of public affairs, and others including Bahamonde - Aug. 31, 2 p.m.
"Also, it is very important that time is allowed for Mr. Brown to eat dinner. Gievn (sic) that Baton Rouge is back to normal, restaurants are getting busy. He needs much more that (sic) 20 or 30 minutes. We now have traffic to encounter to get to and from a location of his choise (sic), followed by wait service from the restaurant staff, eating, etc.
-Bahamonde to Taylor and Michael Widomski, public affairs, Aug. 31, 2:44 p.m.
"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! No won't go any further, too easy of a target. Just tell her that I just ate an MRE and crapped in the hallway of the Superdome along with 30,000 other close friends so I understand her concern about busy restaurants. Maybe tonight I will have time to move my pebbles on the parking garage floor so they don't stab me in the back while I try to sleep.
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Paid Patsy keeps him on script and legally obligated not to reveal 'national security secrets'. He'll take the heat for the administrations 'social darwinism' of taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich.
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Some of you guys really, really REALLY hate the republicans, don't you? ANY misstep or failure on the part of this administration, and the torches and nooses get pulled out and paraded.
RPM, my friend and fellow BoP, I do need to point out one thing:
Brown RESIGNED, albeit under pressure. They have stated that they are keeping him on the payroll so that they can question him about what went on, and what is going on now. They're not doing him any favors, IMO.
Now, for the rest of the story:
Katrina was a HUGE natural disaster. Note "natural". FEMA didn't cause it, nor did Monica Lewinsky, Bill Moyers, Rush Limbaugh, the EEEEVIL BOOOSH, or anybody else.
FEMA was set up to be the SECOND responder to a disaster. The local and state authorities fell flat on their faces in doing their JOB as first responders. Federal authorities fell short in covering the gap. NOBODY came out as a shining example of efficiency here.
Trying to find a scapegoat (FEMA director, for example) to hang all this on is an exercise in pure witch-hunting politics. And does NOTHING to solve the underlying problem--local and state officials that bury their heads in the sand when it comes to disaster planning.
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Originally posted by lazs2
a real republican would simply disband fema. It is a useless organization. All we should have is a warning center.
lazs
If we disbanded all the useless organizations up there there'd be nothin left.
Oh, wait....nowwwwww I get it, yer onto something there Laz.:aok
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Originally posted by rshubert
Some of you guys really, really REALLY hate the republicans, don't you? ANY misstep or failure on the part of this administration, and the torches and nooses get pulled out and paraded.
RPM, my friend and fellow BoP, I do need to point out one thing:
Brown RESIGNED, albeit under pressure. They have stated that they are keeping him on the payroll so that they can question him about what went on, and what is going on now. They're not doing him any favors, IMO.
Now, for the rest of the story:
Katrina was a HUGE natural disaster. Note "natural". FEMA didn't cause it, nor did Monica Lewinsky, Bill Moyers, Rush Limbaugh, the EEEEVIL BOOOSH, or anybody else.
FEMA was set up to be the SECOND responder to a disaster. The local and state authorities fell flat on their faces in doing their JOB as first responders. Federal authorities fell short in covering the gap. NOBODY came out as a shining example of efficiency here.
Trying to find a scapegoat (FEMA director, for example) to hang all this on is an exercise in pure witch-hunting politics. And does NOTHING to solve the underlying problem--local and state officials that bury their heads in the sand when it comes to disaster planning.
w3rd
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Originally posted by midnight Target
This isn't a discussion on whether FEMA should exist.... It is about how much freakin jail time Brownie should serve!
He flat lied to the Senate.
C'mon MT, as we all know lying under oath is NOT a crime....or at least not a serious one.
If brown deserves jail-time he should be serving it right next to Mayor "Where's my buses" Nagin
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The worst natural disaster in our Nations history... and we all need to blame the Mayor?
hehe
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When a submarine runs aground, no matter what the cause, the Captain is held responsible and usually fired.
When a city faces a disaster which is further compounded by poor decisions of its leaders in the 20 years prior to the the disaster, I would very much point the finger at the Mayor.
Whatever mistakes that may or may not have been made by the federal government prior to and after the hurricane hit New Orleans, the root cause of most of the problems (beyond the actual hurricane itself) was the failure of its leaders to be prepared for such an event. In a democratic society with elected leaders... the people that elected those leaders must share in the responsibility for this failure.
New Orleans obviously never seriously considered an evacuation plan and how a large portion of their population lacked the means to evacuate on their own. Is that the fault of the federal government? or even the state government? I am sure some of you will disagree, but this sounds like a local city government responsibility.
Who told these people to just go to one of the government designated shelters rather than evacuate? Who ignored federal suggestiongs and told these people that it was okay to return when another storm was threatening to repeat this disaster? Who wasted time making accusations while the disaster still needed 100% of the focus?
It is probable that the federal government made some mistakes and could have done a better job (that can be said of almost everything the federal government does), but it seems to me, the person criticizing and pointing fingers at everyone (i.e. the Mayor) should be looking into the mirror and learning from his own mistakes. But I really don't blame the Mayor or the Governor all that much. This was a huge NATURAL disaster that almost nobody expected.
Any attempts to make this thing into a class and/or race issue are laughable. When a disaster strikes a major city, it is a given that the city does not have the means to help very many people. Unless the wealthier upper and middle class citizens decide to help and if the lower class chooses to accept their help, it is a bygone conclusion that it is the poor lower class citizens will be the ones left behind and suffer the most from the impending disaster.
All major US cities have large numbers of poor people. The fact that there are large numbers of poor people is a byproduct of capitalism. In a lot of these cities, the majority of the these poor people are minorities (is that an oxymoron?). Frequently, a majority of these minorities are negro/black/African-American. At this point in American history, the fact that many of these poor people are black is not as much a product of slavery or racism issues, but more a result of cultural issues. If someone is poor, unmarried, has a child, and that child grows up to be a violent criminal, whose fault is it? Almost any adult can do a 2 to 4 year stint in the military, get some sort of professional education, and get a decent middle class job. Some immigrants come to this country with nothing but end up with their own home and college educated children working in upperclass professional jobs. Atlanta has a large black population and a significant percentage of that population is much wealthier than me. How is this possible in a country so racist that it intentionally abandons poor black people in flooded cities?
Yup, after careful consideration, FEMA was to blame for almost everything that went wrong in New Orleans and forcing the resignation of its chief administrator made everything right.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The worst natural disaster in our Nations history... and we all need to blame the Mayor?
hehe
ummm yea, even without fema's help he could have single handedly saved HIS city. But of course Brown was appointed by Bush and it's just so much easier for you to blame a republican that works for the federal govt, than a black liberal who is in charge of the city in question.
Even after all this happened you don't hear a peep about WHY people were so poor in a democrat ran city.
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Hurricane Katrina only hit New Orleans. It didn't hit anything else along the coast. The N.O. city limit is the edge of the destruction and despair. That's why it's only the mayor's fault.
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Tarmac I'm not saying its ONLY the Mayors fault I'm saying that it sure as heck aint all of Brown/Fema's fault. The devistated area was 90,000 square miles. BUT, you barely heard a word out of other areas that were "suffering" just the poor blacks in NO and that's all Brown's fault supposedly because he's a Bush croney.
In retrospect Alabama and Mississippi didn't have NEAR the problems that LA/NO had. yet it's still all Brown's fault because he's a Bush croney. I still wonder who the dems are going to blame for their problems when Bush is out of office and they realize 1. they have no message that popular America agrees with if any message at all 2. They do not provide any solutions to problems only arguments on how it's being done so wrongly
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Shubie, Forgive me for saying he was fired. We all know Bush would never fire anyone, only award them a Presidential Medal of Freedom for screwing the pooch.
Do I hate Bush? With a burning passion that could light a thousand cities for a thousand days. But this is a different matter alltogether. He is milking a few more months worth of taxpayer funding. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed that my money is being wasted to fatten the wallet of a good ol' boy, and you should be, too.
Let me put this into perspective for those that are on the Bushwagon. Let's say Ted Kennedy gets a grant to study the floatation properties of secretaries belted into Lincolns or the drinkability of 30 year old Highland Single Malts. Insane waste of your tax dollars, right?
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Originally posted by rpm
Shubie, Forgive me for saying he was fired. We all know Bush would never fire anyone, only award them a Presidential Medal of Freedom for screwing the pooch.
Do I hate Bush? With a burning passion that could light a thousand cities for a thousand days. But this is a different matter alltogether. He is milking a few more months worth of taxpayer funding. As a taxpayer, I'm pissed that my money is being wasted to fatten the wallet of a good ol' boy, and you should be, too.
Let me put this into perspective for those that are on the Bushwagon. Let's say Ted Kennedy gets a grant to study the floatation properties of secretaries belted into Lincolns or the drinkability of 30 year old Highland Single Malts. Insane waste of your tax dollars, right?
sure that's a waist, but really do you know anything about how fema or govt executive positions work?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
sure that's a waist, but really do you know anything about how fema or govt executive positions work?
Bet I can equal Brownie's knowledge.
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all government spending is a waste of my money.
lazs