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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Thud on April 12, 2001, 05:26:00 AM
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My newspaper reported last monday that the chinese South Chinese Morning Post published an article based on Chinese sources revealing that during the intercept another chinese jet (not one of the F-8's) repeatedly asked authorization to shoot the EP-3 down after the collision. Fortunately the chinese authorities didn't authorize it, but think what if.....
Then it would become a lot more than a diplomatic crisis.
[This message has been edited by Thud (edited 05-02-2001).]
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i read, survaillence flights close to enemy border ARE quite dangerous
and should not be mistaken for holiday trips ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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What Gh0st said....
Howdy Gh0st btw (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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well said ghost..and the Chinese (gov at least) should not be mistaken as people who give a damn about life, not of its own people and certinley not about the lives of people who migh be spying on their giant commie shotbox......
In China Your are guilty until proven more guilty and put to death...
And dont bother having more than 1 kid or they will end up in your next burger.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 04-12-2001).]
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Here, let me edit your post, Ghost:
survaillence flights close to borders of nations THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR INTERNATIONAL LAW ARE quite dangerous
and should not be mistaken for holiday trips
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Originally posted by Toad:
Here, let me edit your post, Ghost:
survaillence flights close to borders of nations THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR INTERNATIONAL LAW ARE quite dangerous
and should not be mistaken for holiday trips
That is a grammatically correct but pointless sentence.
There is no need to perform surveillance flights against the countries that have respect for international law.
miko
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Agree Ghost
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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US speaking about international law!? What a nonsence!
Oh, sorry, American idea of an "international law" is "something everyone should obey, but we don't give a flying F@#$ about it, because it's only for all that dirty commies and other Chineese untermenschen".
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Originally posted by miko2d:
[BThere is no need to perform surveillance flights against the countries that have respect for international law.
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Hmmm... I've seen pics of Finnish fighters "escorting" NATO's awacs near Finnish borders. Are you saying we are not respecting int.laws ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Also one SR-71 pilot admitted he's been over Finland sometimes... (Thought reason was that thing needed 500km to make 180 degree turn at full speed...)
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Origianlly posted by Miko2d
There is no need to perform surveillance flights against the countries that have respect for international law.
Not true, america keeps a eye on every other nation. As all other nations (providing they have the resources) keep a eye on everyone else.
Its much like you do with your next door neighbour. You may be friendly but your waiting for his dog to come sh*t in your yard. It is the way of the world & anyone that doesnt understand it is the loser.
Origianlly posted by Boroda
Oh, sorry, American idea of an "international law" is "something everyone should obey, but we don't give a flying F@#$ about it,
because it's only for all that dirty commies and other Chineese untermenschen".
Regardless of what country you live in you reside in a society of laws. You have local law, city law, state law, federal law & international law.
These laws are recognized by all members of the community. Some members chose not to obey these laws. Locally speaking they are called criminals. Internationaly speaking they are rougue states.
As we punish criminals we can also punish rouge states. Failure to recognize International law doenst place you above it just as a local thug isnt above local & state law.
Flash
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Submarine excursions that have no respect for international law can assist in one's aging process!!
HeHe!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Flashpan, so we need to punish US for pirate bombings of independant states, supporting international terrorism, violating international treaties, breaking international borders - should I continue?
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Origianlly posted by Boroda
Flashpan, so we need to punish US for pirate bombings of independant states, supporting international terrorism, violating
international treaties, breaking international borders - should I continue?
I do not disagree with some of the things you have mentioned. We as anyone would, are acting in our own best interests. We do however try to temper that with fairness.
When we bombed people we did so with 100% confidence that the people being bombed were either a threat in the past or a immediate threat to the people of the USA.
Our border incursions are kinda like your neighbours dog running in your yard. Its usally brief & a accident when we do it. We deifinatly do not sh*t in your yard.
The PC3 incident is a perfect example. We were flying 12 miles out. The recognized international boundry. The chinease claim 20mi so they created this incident.
I am ass-u-me'ing the supporting international terrism that you are refering to is when we armed the aphigans <sp> during your vietnam there.
They were a people that was being invaded. They supported democracy & were then by extension our allies.
It is no differant then 15yrs earlier with the soviets armining the North Koreans & then the chinease.
To the best of my knowledge the US has never violated a international treaty.
And as far as punishing the US goes in all honesty I do not think that another country can. The way most countries punsih another country is through a embargo & trade tarrifs. The US is so strong enconomicly & has nearly every other country tied to it financially that should a country choose to place a embargo on the US they would be cutting there own throat....
The amricans have a saying. Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Flash
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Every one of those things you mentioned that the USA has done, Russia has done 50 times worse.
J_A_B
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We are in dire need of a squelch button for boroda here in this bbs. What a load of ****!!!
Mav
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When we bombed people we did so with 100% confidence that the people being
bombed were either a threat in the past or a immediate threat to the people of the
USA.
Or a bunch of evil palamites beating up on helpless muslims.
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The US is evil, but trying to disguise their evilness (source: boroda)
The Russians are at least equally evil, and do the same (source everyone else)
The Vikings were traders that looted, pillaged, and burned when they got a decent chance. And they dinnae pretend to be anything but badasses. (source: Random fluctuations in space/time)
I say give all power to Scandinavians (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Damn, third attempt to answer, 95 hanged 2 times and I lost the text I typed!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It's an obvious evil American OS preventing me to state my views!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Flash, you wrote: "When we bombed people we did so with 100% confidence that the people being bombed were either a threat in the past or a immediate threat to the people of the USA."
So, Serbian peasants are a great danger to America! Interesting opinion! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
About "sh*t in our yard" - well, we had to sweep your wreked planes that were shot down over Urals.
Maverick, the word "squelch" has too many meanings. Just checked "Multilex Online" dictionary, please, can you explain exactly what you meant? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Squelch as in the AH application. Used to filter the text buffer.
Mav
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I got to say I agree with StSanta, all power to the Vikings, and since I am one so all power to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Nuff said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
Lasse
[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 04-13-2001).]
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I have no respect for the law. I spy on my neigbor. She's Got BIG TITS. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"Hello, Room Service, may I order two buttcheaks medium rare and four french fried tits, C-Cup."
Had to put that, you should have heard the guy at Room Service man he went nuts.
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We even drop bombs on our own people sometimes. Americans are not gods. We make mistakes just like Russians do. We put our mistakes on the front page. Still, there are many people trying to get into the USA. It must be a pretty good place if not a worker's paradise. I like it very much, but I've never been to Russia or to many other places.
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Man now china needs to give us our plane now.
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Originally posted by Jack55:
We put our mistakes on the front page.
Hehe... got ya fooled. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have the distinct impression that the average American perception of Russians or Chinese or Communists or Socialists or whatever is probably just as skewed as the average Russian or Chinese perception of Americans.
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I have the distinct impression that the average American perception of Russians or Chinese or Communists or Socialists or whatever is probably just as skewed as the average Russian or Chinese perception of Americans
Somehow..I doubt that....
From commin Chinese textbooks
- The villagers rushed to the scene with clubs in hand, and shouting, "Let Us Knock Down American Imperialist Wolves!" (a Language Textbook for the 2nd graders in elementary schools).
- The American Imperialist Wolves" who are trying to trick poor and hungry children into becoming guinea pigs for biological weapons .... (a Language Textbook for 4th graders in elementary schools
- When we aim with our one eye closed, we can make Yankees go to pieces (a Music Textbook for 3rd graders in elementary schools).
- The American imperialists are the most vicious and shameless plunderers of the modern age, and the first-class common enemy of the world. (a Geography Textbook for 4th graders in senior high schools).
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Wobble, have you ever been to another country? No, Canada and Mexico don't count.
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Wobble, have you ever been to another country? No, Canada and Mexico don't count.
Ive been to france and italy.
what does that have to do with anything anyway?? does me never having been to china somehow negate the fact that they teach their children in school that americans are evil and want to kill them?
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I'm with you, Sandman.
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EDIT: Nevermind, ill just chuckle.
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Wow... that's the game... If you want someone to fight and die for your political agenda, the best way is to catch 'em while they're young and impressionable.
If one were to look at school curriculums say in Kansas, one might assume that we Americans are a bunch of backwoods bellybutton country diddlys... Oh wait a minute... on second thought...
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Ok will go along party lines COMMUNISTS(That means you sandman) on that side and NORMAL PEOPLE on this side(In this case your normal Wobble).
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Hobodog... It ain't about communism.
It's about your perception of reality and understanding that your reality and my reality may not necessarily be the same thing, nor is any one perception correct. It's not right. It's not wrong. It's perception.
FWIW... I'm not a communist. I am a liberal. and if Wobble is your poster child for normalcy... I'd rather be commy. (no offense Wobble). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ya know... I did 10 years in the U.S. Navy. Some would say that I was defending our rights and our freedoms, yours and mine. If I go along with that I statement, I defended your right to be a right wing, bible thumping, narrow minded, paranoid conservative. By all means, go right ahead but do try to keep in mind that America isn't about conforming to the norm. If you want everyone to conform, try one of those nice socialist countries across the water. Pfft.
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FWIW... I'm not a communist. I am a liberal. and if Wobble is your poster child for normalcy... I'd rather be commy. (no offense Wobble).
Turd (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL!
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What does "Turd" mean?
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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He said I am a piece of fecal material... typicallly cylindrical in shape.
LOL...
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Hobdog, TheWobble, how can you talk about Communism without having a slightest idea of what it really is? You use this word incorreclty, mix Communism and communists, it's like a dishwasher talking about computers saying that all PC users are hackers.
Unfortunately, very few people here know what was going on in USSR until 1991, and I doubt that anyone at all knows what goes in China now. The only thing I can say is that it's very different from Soviet "developed socialism".
To define my position: I don't support communists, but I do believe that Humanity will finaly come to Communism, not by controlled social "engineering" or "surgery", but as a result of technological progress.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Boroda,
In english slang "turd" is a polite reference to feces (ie excrement, poop, crap, toejam).
If someone from western culture is referring to you as a turd...well....now you know.
Yeager
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Originally posted by Boroda:
...but I do believe that Humanity will finaly come to Communism, ...
Some people never learn.
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Originally posted by mietla:
Some people never learn.
Compare the social darwinism of 100 years ago and USA of today and tell me it ain't walking towards communism (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Mietla, you completely misunderstood me.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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How so?
How many people have to be butchered, how many countries ruined and how many generations have to see they lives destroyed before we decide that communism is a idiotic invention that rubs against an every fiber of human nature?
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fdski,
I'm not denying that we are getting closer to it. It just tears me apart that we are.
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Originally posted by mietla:
fdski,
I'm not denying that we are getting closer to it. It just tears me apart that we are.
One again i suggest a lecture of anything about working conditions of anyway in late 1800s and how US Government did everything in it's power to stop any change or improvement in labor rights... we tend to take things for granted those days ...
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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You mean read a book? I've read a book already when I was in school (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
You are not saying that all we need to do is to give the communism a chance for a century or so, and it'll turn into somehitng good, are you?
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No, i'm not. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
All i'm saying is that everyday we're tip toeing closer and closer to functional communism. Slow revolution i guess ...
Here is a funny one for you from the land of the free (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
There is a railroad here in connecticut, goes from New Haven CT to NYC. Commuter railroad for those who work in the city and live in CT. ( if you ever driven into NYC you'd understand (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
Railroad was ran so badly by the private management that local government asked the federal governemtn to take it over. They did, runs great, on time and place is pretty clean. Ticket prices went down by the huge margin, even thou they are still quite pricey ( monthy from stamford to nyc - about 30 miles - 250$+ )
Point being, in the heart of the capitalism, the socialism for the rich was created. You see, all those suits on the railroad in the morning are in 30%+ tax bracket. They can afford to pay more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Or pay for different mode of transportation, so instead of letting market doing its thing and allowing the railroad to die and be bought, we've created socialism for the rich (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Ain't that a squeak ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Now the taxes of the poor ride the rich folks tulips to work
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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" Now the taxes of the poor ride the rich folks tulips to work "
Just exactly how much tax do the "poor" pay in the US??? How much do the "rich" pay? That the "poor" subsidise a commuter train is ludicrous.
BTW, the advancement of technology would make Communism even more obsolete i would think. Old-fashioned, bankrupt ideas aren't too successful in a hi-tech society.......
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"I'm not a communist. I am a liberal"
What's the difference??? Please explain....
Cabby
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Oh my god...
What we had in Russua for 70 years has nothing to do with Communism. It was only a kind of olygarchy exploiting communist ideology as a religious base.
Didn't you read what I wrote? I am against all that "proletarian dictatorship", "social revolution" and other slogans used by criminals to get the power.
If you want to have an idea of Communist society - listen to John Lennon's "Imagine".
I can advise you a few books too (Strugatsky brothers "Midday world" books), but I doubt they were ever translated to English.
I know it's utopia, but it's beautiful. No doubt that sooner or later technological progress, NOT social revolutions and "communists" that enslave their countries will make it true.
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
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Boroda,
I think the main problem with your posts in the past was an incomplete understanding of humor, sarcasm and innuendo usage in english on your part. Using the terms and words to create a humorous effect in what you are writing or to show disdain is very tough for an outsider. The lack of facial expression in written communications really handicaps what you might be saying.
At least that is what I am beginning to think after seeing the last couple of posts you made. Am I correct in the thought that you are really an anti-communist in reality and are using the titles in your sig as a means of making fun of them??? If this is the case I am beginning to think you are trying to emulate another person on the board (Mietla, I believe) who is a former resident of Russia. Please advise if this is correct.
Mav
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Well, Mav, it's a little bit more complicatad...
"Commissar" in my siganture is a joke: when 25th IAP was formed in 1997 we assigned ranks and duties, so I became commissar: "You lucky, comrade commissar, you only have to shut your mouth to make your workplace clean!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In your terms I can be called "anti-communist". I don't like modern commies, and my family (as many others) was repressed in Soviet times, before the War.
As any young Soviet student ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) I know communist ideology and philosophy, and some things are very interesting. For example: I still think that "Dialectical Materialism" is a nice philosophical doctrine, let us call it "creative". But *_DO_* I think that "social revolution" and other ways to "come to Communism" are dangerous nonsence. It's absurd to build up such a repression machine as Soviet State trying to reach "extinction of state".
Edit: Damn, another mistake in previous phrase that made all I wanted to say look absolutely different!!!
Well, it's very hard to explain such things to people who don't know the "sources" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for Communism - it's a distant and almost unreachable society where people don't have to work for living, but express themself in creative activity, evryone lives in peace and does his best for everyone's benefit. I REALLY want to live in Midday World, as it was described in "Midday, XXI century. Coming home". This books makes all this dreams look real...
Another great book that shows another view on communism is Vyacheslav Rybakov's "Gravi-ship 'Tsesarevich'". It describes 1990s in a world where Bolsheviks didn't take power, but turned their ideology into a kind of religion, with it's adherents trying to do their best for the Humanity, and becoming the second main religion in Russian Empire. It's a great book, written in early-90s, I hope it will be translated to English sooner or later. Here is a link for a Russian original:
http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/gravilet.txt (http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/gravilet.txt)
And here is an Esperanto translation:
http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/graviletesp.txt (http://www.lib.ru/RYBAKOW/graviletesp.txt)
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS
[This message has been edited by Boroda (edited 04-18-2001).]
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Originally posted by Boroda:
As for Communism - it's a distant and almost unreachable society where people don't have to work for living, but express themself in creative activity, evryone lives in peace and does his best for everyone's benefit
You can't reason with a religious man (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
http://www.new-utopia.com (http://www.new-utopia.com)
(http://www.new-utopia.com/passport.gif)
[This message has been edited by mietla (edited 04-18-2001).]
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"I'm not a communist. I am a liberal"
What's the difference??? Please explain....
Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?
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"I can smell fascism in the air"
Jarrold "The Hut" Nadler speaking about republicans.
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Quote:
"Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?"
Why not?? It's what Liberals do. I still would like to know the difference between say, a Clinton Liberal and a Communist.....
Cabby
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Originally posted by cabby:
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"Oh that's rich... mebbe I should compare conservatives to fascists?"
Why not?? It's what Liberals do. I still would like to know the difference between say, a Clinton Liberal and a Communist.....
Cabby
Uh... the communist will respect ya in the morning????? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
<GDR>
Mav
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double post sigh
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 04-19-2001).]
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Gentlemen, your constant "liberal vs. conservative" debates look quite silly from Russian point of view. Here "conservatives" are lefts, lead by commies and nationalists, while "liberals" are rights, who stand for free enterprising and limitation of state activities. I support liberals. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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With respect,
Pavel Pavlov,
Commissar 25th IAP WB VVS