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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RAIDER14 on October 27, 2005, 07:14:16 PM
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Is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,U.S.A. the worlds only super power?:confused: :huh
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(http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/east/01/08/tibet.lama.01/map.china.tibet.gif)
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China is not a super power. They cannot project military force around the world and they are not an economic superpower. They may be one day though. As it stands, China would have it's hands full just trying to take Taiwan.
The US is considered a superpower because of the extent at which we can project military power anywhere in the world, and also we are an economic force that is not matched. Also culturally. We are a true superpower, but who knows for how long.
looked it up
"A superpower is a state with the ability to influence events and project power on a super scale"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower
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Yes, the US is clearly recognized as the only true superpower on the globe.
Which makes the french very jittery, and I'm just OK with that :)
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See rule # 5
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
See rule # 5
Priceless:lol
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See Rule #4, #5
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
See Rule #4, #5
it's called satire and yes I am ribbing the US a bit.....but not much.
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Originally posted by NUKE
China is not a super power. They cannot project military force around the world and they are not an economic superpower.
By what measure is China not a superpower?
"A superpower is a state with the ability to influence events and project power on a super scale"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower [/B]
Heheh, why didn't they just say, "A superpower is power that's...super!".
"Super", is a totally sugjective term....and kind of a funny word too. Super...super, super,super.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
(http://www.allthingschristie.com/archives/Big_Gay_Al_figure.jpg)
"that's Super, thanks for asking"
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Super is so 80's.. don't you people follow the trends?
We're past Ultra and Extra as well..
How about X Power? Although it's couple of years behind...
Maybe Freaky Power or Cool Power...
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Heheh, why didn't they just say, "A superpower is power that's...super!".
"Super", is a totally sugjective term....and kind of a funny word too. Super...super, super,super.
Yeah, but in the case of "superpower" as it deals with a nation, it has a definition and was first coined in the '30's. I didn't quote the best definition on that site though.
I agree with you though, it does sound kind of stupid. Some French guy has coined Hyperpower to define the US now.
Criteria defining the status of a superpower
Superior economic power, characterized by access to raw materials, volume and productivity of the domestic market, a leading position in world trade as well as global financial markets, innovation and the ability to accumulate capital.
A large population, high level of education, well-developed infrastructure and a pronounced cultural and economic ability to shape the regions around them as well as the ones under direct control.
Pre-eminent military ability, characterized by relative invulnerability, the ability to deter or cause great damage and project military might globally.
Having a functioning political system capable of mobilizing resources for world political goals.
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Super still works.
I don't wanna have to buy a new set of tights and a matching cape.
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I'm Super
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Yes.
Sell your local businesses to Asian managers quickly though.
It is your only hope.
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If china is not a superpower now, it will be in the next decade.
I hope we do not have another cold war with China, maybe the money they are bringing in will kill the remains of Commyism.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
If china is not a superpower now, it will be in the next decade.
You have no idea the amount US military power overshadows China's military. It will take a lot longer than 10 years, if ever, for China to become a superpower.
China will probably never have the capability to project military power around the world on even a fraction of the scale at which the US can and does.
We have a global military presence, China would have trouble getting to Taiwan.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Some French guy has coined Hyperpower to define the US now.
He missed his shot of calling the US an "Optimus Prime" power.
We have a global military presence, China would have trouble getting to Taiwan.
Came across this a few months ago.
"We left the million-man swim behind in about 1998, 1999," the senior Pentagon official said. "And in fact, what people are saying now, whether or not that construct was ever useful, is that it's a moot point, because in just amphibious lift alone, the Chinese are doubling or even quadrupling their capability on an annual basis."
http://www.insightmag.com/media/paper441/news/2005/06/27/World/China.May.Attack.Taiwan.In.Two.Years.Pentagon-959344.shtml
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Originally posted by NUKE
You have no idea the amount US military power overshadows China's military. It will take a lot longer than 10 years, if ever, for China to become a superpower.
China will probably never have the capability to project military power around the world on even a fraction of the scale at which the US can and does.
We have a global military presence, China would have trouble getting to Taiwan.
The US military is already having a shortage of recruits with troops deployed in Iraq and Afganistan..
The USA backed off from Vietnam and that is alot smaller country than China.
It's your luck Iraqi army in general has had a bad morale, low determination and poor skills.
Having troops around the world doesn't tell anything of someones military superiority - it does only reflect different ideology.
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Let me get this straight. If one of the characteristics of a Super Power is the ability to project military power, then that means that Russia was never a Super Power. Err, the Soviet Union I mean.
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Originally posted by rpm
(http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/east/01/08/tibet.lama.01/map.china.tibet.gif)
Looking at the above map. The "China Superpower Syndrome" would be easily thwarted with Three Dams on the Yangtze being blown. China would be on it's knees.
Karaya
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Let me get this straight. If one of the characteristics of a Super Power is the ability to project military power, then that means that Russia was never a Super Power. Err, the Soviet Union I mean.
Bzzzrrrtttt. wrong answer. Propaganda. They had a nuclear blue water surface and submarine navy developed and trained to take on a US carrier task force, a significant ICBM force both land and submarine lanched, the largest army, the most tanks, a credible airforce and a satellite basing and logistics network around the world. Unlike the US, they were in the game fully expecting to have to fight at the drop of a hat.
We are all very lucky they didn't.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Bzzzrrrtttt. wrong answer. Propaganda. They had a nuclear blue water surface and submarine navy developed and trained to take on a US carrier task force, a significant ICBM force both land and submarine lanched, the largest army, the most tanks, a credible airforce and a satellite basing and logistics network around the world. Unlike the US, they were in the game fully expecting to have to fight at the drop of a hat.
We are all very lucky they didn't.
dont forget about their air power, IIRC they had 3 to 1 on us as far as bombers went.
You really can't say somone couldnt project power when the game plan to defend against them on both land and air involved tactical nukes.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Bzzzrrrtttt. wrong answer. Propaganda. They had a nuclear blue water surface and submarine navy developed and trained to take on a US carrier task force, a significant ICBM force both land and submarine lanched, the largest army, the most tanks, a credible airforce and a satellite basing and logistics network around the world. Unlike the US, they were in the game fully expecting to have to fight at the drop of a hat.
We are all very lucky they didn't.
Shhhh Damnit, we don't need Boroda in here. What's the matter with you? :lol
Karaya
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Last I heard the USA was a hyperpower.
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Originally posted by Suave
Last I heard the USA was a hyperpower.
It was but then Ritalin came out.
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...and untill sombody else hops into the superpower ring, we'll stay on the ritalin. Then we stop the meds, become a hyperpower again.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
If china is not a superpower now, it will be in the next decade.
I hope we do not have another cold war with China, maybe the money they are bringing in will kill the remains of Commyism.
My money is still on India getting its act together before China can complete its quest for #2
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Originally posted by Fishu
The US military is already having a shortage of recruits with troops deployed in Iraq and Afganistan..
The USA backed off from Vietnam and that is alot smaller country than China.
It's your luck Iraqi army in general has had a bad morale, low determination and poor skills.
Having troops around the world doesn't tell anything of someones military superiority - it does only reflect different ideology.
Fishu you need better bait, nobody is buying this LOL
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couple of points...
guns.. you can't take the pansie out of the peans... only way is if they move here for a few years.
and fishu... call it "super" or xtra or ultra or cool or whatever but... no matter what adjective you use... it won't describe finland... kinda frosts ya huh?
lazs
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No Hang, I'm pretty sure that all of Russia's military was geared to self defense, not projecting to the far side of the world.
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With Major Naval bases in the Med, the Far East (pacific AND indian ocean), the Atlantic they were truly an adversary and superpower. While the mission was obstensibly 'defense', you don't field a world wide Navy with Nuclear capability without the opposition gettin a bit antsy as to intent.
Force Morskyo Flota (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mf-intro-s.htm)
Since the mid-1960s, the Naval Forces have increasingly been deployed abroad. In 1964 the Mediterranean squadron became the first permanently forward-deployed Soviet naval force. Since its inception, it has usually had thirty-five to forty-five ships. In 1968 the Soviet Union established an Indian Ocean squadron of fifteen to twenty-five ships. Access to ports and airfields in Vietnam, Syria, Libya, Ethiopia, the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (South Yemen), and Seychelles in the 1980s has enabled the Soviet Naval Forces to repair their ships, fly ocean reconnaissance flights, and maintain these forward deployments. In 1989 Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam had the largest concentration of Soviet vessels outside the countries of the Warsaw Pact.
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That says nothing about projecting power Hang.
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China & India still 3rd world economies.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
That says nothing about projecting power Hang.
So - you finally admitted that USSR was developing a non-aggressive military doctrine?
Who needed to "project" military power? Navy's most significant task was to work on enemy communications in case of another global war, if you think that it's "projecting power" - you are mistaken, it's preventing enemy from doing so. I think it's obvious.
Again: American military plans admitted that Soviet Army could get control over Europe, Mediterranian coast and Middle East in no more then six months after war began, regardless to nuclear attacks.
Now a "super-power" concept degraded to a "country that can do whatever it wants against countries who can't afford total war or nuclear weapons".
I wonder why some people never understand that there was a nation that simply wanted to protect itself from aggressors, and could probably do much better then any opponent if only it didn't have to spend 3/4 of it's effort on defence?
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