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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on October 28, 2005, 07:57:58 AM
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As usual. (http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/reliable27e_20051027.htm)
Still can't figure out why anyone would buy an American or Euro car.
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Its not hurting their sales though...I heard on AM radio driving into work yesterday that American car manufacturers had their lowest quarter in something like 20 years, while Toyota was up 23% in sales.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
As usual. (http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/reliable27e_20051027.htm)
Still can't figure out why anyone would buy an American or Euro car.
The answers' easy Funkypants, The Euros have all but priced themselves into higher brackets for their cars. American quality control is now an oxymoron.
I work for Ford. The UAW has killed the US Auto Industry. The upcoming Delphi/UAW case will totally put things in their perspective places.
Karaya
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So many people that bought cars during the "employee pricing" craze this summer won't be a customer again for the next 3-5 years. US sales will be flat for some time.
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"Still can't figure out why anyone would buy an American or Euro car."
Sure, they might last a long time, but who wants to own one for a long time? I pity someone stuck driving a Corolla or any Honda or such for any length of time.
They're good cars for what they're built for--running around in congested city traffic under the care of people who know little to nothing about cars and can't/won't provide much maintenance. However, seeing as I don't live in a crowded city and I don't mind getting my hands dirty, I have no use for a cramped, uncomfortable, unsafe, stiff, flimsy, annoying little sardine can.
Actually, I have a single use for them...I'd rather hit an Accord than another Roadmaster.
On an entirely different note, does anyone else agree the term "sporty car" really just means "standard underpowered piece of junk with additional plastic molding so it appeals to women and stupid kids"?
J_A_B
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"Still can't figure out why anyone would buy an American or Euro car."
simple, 1 fully grown man and his teenage son cant fit comfortable side by side in the front seat of them asian cars, or euro ones for that matter.
"Pickup trucks
Honda Ridgeline
Toyota Tundra"
what was the test?
" "sporty car" really just means "standard underpowered piece of junk with additional plastic molding so it appeals to women and stupid kids"?
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yes. thats why they use sporty, and not sports.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
As usual. (http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/reliable27e_20051027.htm)
Still can't figure out why anyone would buy an American or Euro car.
I'm not sure what is American any more. My Nissan was designed by an American and built in Tennessee.
... but I digress. I'm with ya... I'm never going to buy another vehicle built by GM, Daimler Chrysler, or Ford.
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Originally posted by vorticon
simple, 1 fully grown man and his teenage son cant fit comfortable side by side in the front seat of them asian cars, or euro ones for that matter.
maybe this is the problem?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4183086.stm
seriously. If you want reliablity only go Japanese.
For fun, check out other manufactorers, that's not their strong side.
Bozon
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The difference in relibility is so small now, you are not going to have problems with any make or model for the most part.
With a jap car you may have 1 major problem over the life of the car or none, with an american car you may have 1 or 2 or none of the life of the car.
It not much of a factor.
Nissan and Subaru are the only Japanes car makers that make interesting cars, the rest should be marketed to boring banker and acountants.
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How can they know the most reliable car of the future?
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You guys do realize that quality is about the same across the board...and that all the companies are intermingled so much that no car can be called jap or american anymore.
They're all the same...and all get uglier every year..with a very few exceptions.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
You guys do realize that quality is about the same across the board...
I've rented enough cars to not agree.
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Originally posted by bozon
maybe this is the problem?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4183086.stm
seriously. If you want reliablity only go Japanese.
For fun, check out other manufactorers, that's not their strong side.
Bozon
nope, when me and my dad both sit in the front seat of a euro or jap car, the driver cant use the shift without the others shoulder interfering.
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Which means you've never sat in an S-class Mercedes.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I've rented enough cars to not agree.
Almost every rental car I have ridden in was an abused POS.
Not a great judge of how a car would be if someone who cared owned.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Which means you've never sat in an S-class Mercedes.
Probably never will either. :cry
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Im still on the fence.. Toyota Avensis or Volkswagen Passat. The missus is now also looking abit to often at the Mercedes A-class ads.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Almost every rental car I have ridden in was an abused POS.
More often than not, the cars I've used were fairly new and seemed to be in good shape.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not sure what is American any more. My Nissan was designed by an American and built in Tennessee.
... but I digress. I'm with ya... I'm never going to buy another vehicle built by GM, Daimler Chrysler, or Ford.
Gaah, I find myself agreeing with Sandman the older I get.
Last Dodge for me. They have the nerve to look "annoyed" with me while it took them 7 tries to realize the front end noise in my Stratus was a very loosely bolted steering rack.
After they found the fix, something they'd overlooked 6 times, suddenly the treatment went from 'What now?' to "We're so sorry for the inconvenience" stuff.
The Nissan and Mazdas I looked over last weekend look pretty nice (Maxima, etc)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Im still on the fence.. Toyota Avensis or Volkswagen Passat. The missus is now also looking abit to often at the Mercedes A-class ads.
buuuu Passat is for weapon smugles & arogant managers who cant drive (thus drive like a pigs) .... but Mercie is sweeti .. und aine is sleeping in front of our house :D
http://www.auto-sfondi-desktop.com/Wallpapers_Mercedes_/Mercedes-CLK/Mercedes-CLK-01/Mercedes-CLK-01_800.jpg
There is simple reason why i would like to buy another.
Second good experience, quite solid reliabily, low consumtion
and there are plenty of people around who drive it, so a lot sources to ask for references.
And its as same prise as Toyota... anyway Toyota have quite excelent reputation overhere, but spare parts are quite expensive. (well.. at least people say that :] )
I can imagine, that somebody want to buy Asian or Europian car with 2.8l Engine and consumtion around 6l/100 Km... but i dont understand, why some people buying US cars with consumtions +50% with similar horse power.
Anyway next year there will be new chinese cars here on the marker. Price is suposed to be around 3000E ... so paper car era begun :D
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I have always had good luck with american cars and trucks. My truck is an 87 silverado. the only major mechanical problem we have had was the heater core devoling a hole. wich only took about 300 to fix. my dads 94 cheyenne was underpowered with tha v6 but that was my dads choice, however it never had n e probs untill he ran it into a dodge. japanese cars will eventually turn into american cars, only the profits will go to japan.
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I have a Chevy 2001 1500 Z series (4WD etc) with extra cab. It gets used like a truck was supposed to be. Hell it's had an R-2800 sitting in the back of it more than once and been over the tires in mud.
Never had a problem with the quality, only big issue was I had to replace a drive shaft, but that was my fault...
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I'd never touch another mitsubishi, their engines are just crap.
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Had a Chrysler Sebring LXi (dumped 5g's into it) biggest POS I ever bought, had a mercedes 2 series and loved it. Wasn't as expensive on the upkeep and it ran forever. Have a BMW now for 2 years and have spent next to nothing on parts. Upkeep has been good, but I quiver at the thoughts when I have to replace the brakes. I prefer quality over low price. I will never buy American again, everyone I have had have fallen apart or are freakin a money pit on repairs. Euro or Japanese is the way to go, and that is just wrong.
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I have an 03 Chrystler Sebring coupe, it is a pretty good car. Got in a wreck in it (not a good car in the winter where I live...) and it stayed in surprisingly good shape, only minor damage to the body that was easily replaced.
Then again they just dont make cars like they use to. Few years ago had a 99 Suburban, some idiot ran a stop sign and ran into it going about 35mph, totalled his car while I only had a bent hub cap. Now Suburbans will take a lot of damage but there is a lot of enphasis on passenger safety for both cars... I would rather be in a sturdy car and recieve minor damage and be safe than get $1000 in damage and be safe.
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I drive an '04 Dodge Neon SXT. Ain't a thing wrong with it in any way.
My opinion is...as long as it's got a stick shift, I'm a happy guy.
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Originally posted by Raptor01
I have an 03 Chrystler Sebring coupe, it is a pretty good car. Got in a wreck in it (not a good car in the winter where I live...) and it stayed in surprisingly good shape, only minor damage to the body that was easily replaced.
Then again they just dont make cars like they use to. Few years ago had a 99 Suburban, some idiot ran a stop sign and ran into it going about 35mph, totalled his car while I only had a bent hub cap. Now Suburbans will take a lot of damage but there is a lot of enphasis on passenger safety for both cars... I would rather be in a sturdy car and recieve minor damage and be safe than get $1000 in damage and be safe.
Yeah mine was a 2000, had a friend she had same car, color and about 10k less in miles and she spent a crap load more on repairs. Horrendous car to drive in rain or snow. had a guy drive his pick up over the hood in a parking lot, did 1500 in damage to mine and none to his lol. Learned my lesson on Chrysler, I did own a Plymouth Breeze for 3 years and only had to replace a busted tail light, good luck there bad with the Sebring.
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my current truck is a 2003 KW 900L its got just shy of 500,000 miles. the only thing we have replace is two sets of drive and 3 sets of stear tires. just cant buy good h rated tires anymore. we change the oil (11 gallons, 2 oil filters, 2 fuel filters and 1 water filter) and lube it every 10 days and air filters, belts and hoses every 6 months. she should last us about 10 years.
the truck i had before this was a 94 PETE 379 she had over 2 million miles when we trade her in 2003. every car, horse and deer thats crashed into us has lost. 40 plus tons versus 2-3 in a car. americans still build a few good ones.
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JTs--
Some of the guys on this forum might not realize you aren't talking about pickup trucks!
J_A_B
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simple, 1 fully grown man and his teenage son cant fit comfortable side by side in the front seat of them asian cars, or euro ones for that matter.
Obesity is a terrible phenomenon. I wish your nation every fortune in overcoming it.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Obesity is a terrible phenomenon. I wish your nation every fortune in overcoming it.
Fortune is the problem. After watching the debacle in Louisiana, I think we're approximately nine days away from curing obesity. The downside is that we become a third world country in the process.
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Not a very elegant solution though. If you do find one, let us know before our nation joins yours on the other side of the weighing scales.
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"Obesity is a terrible phenomenon. I wish your nation every fortune in overcoming it."
So...anyone who can't get comfortable in a sardine can is fat now?
I guess being 6 foot 2 and 180 lbs is fat then, because I've never driven any car with a "Honda" badge that wasn't much too small. I think they're built for people who are like 5 1/2 feet tall or something. They're so narrow there's no space to stretch out. Sure I can fit in them, but who wants to sit all bunched up for long periods of time?
The truth is, things like Hondas and such are just cheap, tiny, uncomfortable little cars that some people (mostly owners of such cars) like to talk up because it makes them feel better about owning an econobox. I owned a car like that once--a Mercury Topaz. It did its job, but I never tried to kid myself into thinking it was anything but a piece of junk.
After that, my Cadillac deVille was a decent midsize vehicle, and the Roadmaster I currently own is roughly the size and bulk a vehicle should be. Any time I have to go somewhere with friends, they beg me to drive because the Buick is so utterly superior to their little Hondas and Cavaliers and such for any trip more than 5 minutes. It's nice being able to drive all day long and not be stiff as a board when I reach my destination.
J_A_B
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I don't think anyone would say that you're obese - just logical. If the glove don't fit... you got to acquit. Ooops, wrong saying. You simply bought a car that suited you, no different than buying clothes that fit.
I think the point was that it makes no sense for people to complain about a car being too small. Just buy something bigger. They come in all shapes, colors and sizes.
The Japanese manufacturers have done a pretty good job of adapting to local (read 'foreign') markets, something that US carmakers are simply unable to do. US carmakers have such a low overseas sales rate, something the unions and management have never addressed seriously to improve the financial health of their companies. Here is where the saying "Stuck on stupid" really fits.
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Thats true Rolex.. i know Toyota makes changes quickly to the cars they export here if something is wrong. Usually the importer knows what works here and tell Toyota so that they arrive here pretty well suited for our special requirements.
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Originally posted by ahgod69
Had a Chrysler Sebring LXi (dumped 5g's into it) biggest POS I ever bought, had a mercedes 2 series and loved it. Wasn't as expensive on the upkeep and it ran forever. Have a BMW now for 2 years and have spent next to nothing on parts. Upkeep has been good, but I quiver at the thoughts when I have to replace the brakes. I prefer quality over low price. I will never buy American again, everyone I have had have fallen apart or are freakin a money pit on repairs. Euro or Japanese is the way to go, and that is just wrong.
Brakes are that bad. For 4 rotors and OEM pads, $401 for my 2001 330Ci.(Parts only, I do my own brakes, they're easy)
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Product aside, the US automakers may be getting to the point where our railroads were in the late 60's. Both the corporations and unions are so corrupt and inflexible that a lot of people won't feel sorry for them when they go under. I wonder if some day names like Ford or Chevy will become "fallen flags" like New York Central or Erie are today.
J_A_B
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Find me a stock Japanese car that will run with a corvett Z06 and I will kiss ur butt.
The list of asian cars listed I mean who would want one of those boring turds?
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Originally posted by JTs
my current truck is a 2003 KW 900L its got just shy of 500,000 miles. the only thing we have replace is two sets of drive and 3 sets of stear tires. just cant buy good h rated tires anymore. we change the oil (11 gallons, 2 oil filters, 2 fuel filters and 1 water filter) and lube it every 10 days and air filters, belts and hoses every 6 months. she should last us about 10 years.
the truck i had before this was a 94 PETE 379 she had over 2 million miles when we trade her in 2003. every car, horse and deer thats crashed into us has lost. 40 plus tons versus 2-3 in a car. americans still build a few good ones.
CAT or Cummings?
I had a 94 KW 300"wlb 425 Cat and 15 spd bought it used it had 45K on it I put another 600K on her before I sold her.
And the dude I sold her too still uses the truck as a rock hauler.
Then euro trucks wont make a zit on a american truck arse.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Obesity is a terrible phenomenon. I wish your nation every fortune in overcoming it.
Lets see fat and the worlds only super power Ummm.
I guess I will stay fat.
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I had a '96 Ford Probe. V6, pretty nice car. The timing chain tensioner died with about 96,000 miles. The dealers recommendation "don't fix it, it ain't worth it". This is on a fairly new car with under 100,000 miles. I did all the maintainance, blah, blah, etc... I sold it for $500. What a complete rip-off. Seriously, under 100,000 miles and the dealer calls it a write-off?
I hate ford.
Although... I'm sort of lusting after one of the decomissioned Highway Patrol Crown Victoria P71 interceptors. At least it's a fleet vehicle.
g00b
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<----- Savin my "American Dollars" for the 1st CanaDUHian car MANufactured.
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sigh
*echos in a dark hallway.........*
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Anybody see the Top Gear episodes where they beat the sense out of an old Toyota pickup? Submerged it during an ocean storm, hit it with a wrecking ball, set it on fire, smashed it through a wood building, set it on top of a concrete building while it was demolished, ect.
Using simple tools (the kind Joe carries in his back seat) they were able to get it running and moving under its own power again after each round.
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Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 13:26 JST
TOKYO — Nissan Motor Co said its group operating profit in the six months to Sept 30 rose 2% from a year earlier to a record 411.54 billion yen due mainly to a 15% global sales surge and cuts in automobile parts procurement costs.
"Despite the severe business environment, Nissan's fundamentals continue to strengthen thanks to appealing products and a competitive cost structure," Nissan President Carlos Ghosn said in a statement. Nissan said its global sales rocketed to 1,834,000 units due partly to sales expansion in the United States to a record 571,000 units.
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Lets see fat and the worlds only super power Ummm.
I guess I will stay fat.
You are not the world's only super-power - several million others also fail to grasp the concept of calorie intake versus physical activity.
Besides, super-powerdom and lardiness are not neccesarily related, as far as I can see. Lose some weight and find out.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Anybody see the Top Gear episodes where they beat the sense out of an old Toyota pickup? Submerged it during an ocean storm, hit it with a wrecking ball, set it on fire, smashed it through a wood building, set it on top of a concrete building while it was demolished, ect.
Using simple tools (the kind Joe carries in his back seat) they were able to get it running and moving under its own power again after each round.
Early 70's 4-cyl Toyota and Nissan p/u are like roaches. After the apocalypse they will be the only thing still moving.
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Originally posted by AWMac
<----- Savin my "American Dollars" for the 1st CanaDUHian car MANufactured.
i would suggest gm, both their number #1 and #2 plants are located in oshawa ont.
ot:mazda b2000's p/u, just a head gasket every 200k.
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Originally posted by Dowding
You are not the world's only super-power - several million others also fail to grasp the concept of calorie intake versus physical activity.
Besides, super-powerdom and lardiness are not neccesarily related, as far as I can see. Lose some weight and find out.
I am still looking for all these fat people?
I and my 58 year old riding partned put in over 100 miles a week on mountain bikes and have yet seen any fat americans?
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Originally posted by Dowding
You are not the world's only super-power - several million others also fail to grasp the concept of calorie intake versus physical activity.
Besides, super-powerdom and lardiness are not neccesarily related, as far as I can see. Lose some weight and find out.
At least the majority of our women shave their armpits. Now go eat your Fondue!
Karaya
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"1867--when watchmaker Henry Seth Taylor mounted a steam engine on a lightweight buggy and began chugging around his hometown of Stanstead, Que."
Probably would be worth quite a bit. But millions of cars have been manufactured in Canada.
Ford opened his first plant in Canada 101 years ago.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Last Dodge for me.
Rode in a Friend's new Hemi charger. Nice Quality and Balls to the Wall Performance. I were teh impressed.
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Originally posted by fartwinkle
CAT or Cummings?
I had a 94 KW 300"wlb 425 Cat and 15 spd bought it used it had 45K on it I put another 600K on her before I sold her.
And the dude I sold her too still uses the truck as a rock hauler.
Then euro trucks wont make a zit on a american truck arse.
Cat C-16 at 600hp. she has a few extras under the hood. pittsbugh performance computer, turbo, mufflers, balancers and hydrogen injection. with this setup she can put 1050 to thier dyno for about 30 seconds.
300" wheelbase, main trans is eaton 18sp over second is brownie 4sp double over rear ends are 3.36 with tall rubber. if i was dumb enough it can reach 150 plus. havent had a volvo pass me yet.