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Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 08:40:47 AM
"My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make." President G.W.Bush


BUahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah!
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 28, 2005, 08:44:00 AM
actually, I agree with that statement.

although I'm less than charmed by the little weazel, he does have lucid moments when he works from the prepared text.

'hehehheheheheh'
Title: Re: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 08:52:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
"My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make." President G.W.Bush


BUahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah!

Don't take it too personally, he is, after all, speaking of your culture that you grew up in, and are quasi-responsible for...I've been saying this very same thing for years on this BBS.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Mighty1 on October 28, 2005, 09:28:33 AM
I agree!

I don't care what the left or the right say about him. He does what he says he would do and he blames the people who deserve to be blamed when things go wrong. Not who the left wants him to blame.

I don't agree with him on some things but I can't help but like him for sticking to his word. (as best as you can in politics)
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Jackal1 on October 28, 2005, 09:38:39 AM
IMHO he is correct.
He has also done something that hasn`t been seen for quite some time here.......that being showing some cajones instead of bowing to wants and snivelings of other little cowardly nations. His actions have been a great effort in protecting our country from future attacks that were most certainly to come and esclate if we continued to hold hands and bow to the olive branch wavers.
  When some threat comes to you, you do not wring your hands and say "Gosh, I wish you old meanies would stop it". You kick their *** back to last week and don`t wait for them to build strength and backing.
  He has been a real pain in the posterior for the sqeamish. That`s a good thing.
Title: Re: Re: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on October 28, 2005, 09:40:56 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Don't take it too personally, he is, after all, speaking of your culture that you grew up in, and are quasi-responsible for...I've been saying this very same thing for years on this BBS.


What culture is that?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 09:45:32 AM
I agree with the statement too.... It just is patently clear that Bush doesn't.

And which Country did you grow up in Rip?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 10:28:14 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I agree with the statement too.... It just is patently clear that Bush doesn't.

And which Country did you grow up in Rip?


Did not Bush take responsibility for Katrina recently? Turn off the Democratic underground once in a while and actually see whats happening in our country for a change.

What country did I grow up in? "The" country. Farm country. Apple pie, mothers and fathers that raised kids responsibly and value work ethics. We had no knowledge of the "Berkeley Culture" except for what we saw on the news in the evenings. Sorry to hear you may have been a part of that "Peace, Love and Dope" culture.  Seems the mothers and fathers of that "Berkeley era" gave birth to higher school drop out percentages, abortions, increased divorces and lower the overall academic architecture of America....its very evident today, don't you agree?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on October 28, 2005, 10:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Seems the mothers and fathers of that "Berkeley era" gave birth to higher school drop out percentages, abortions, increased divorces and lower the overall academic architecture of America....its very evident today, don't you agree?


Oh, that's rich.
Title: Re: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Boroda on October 28, 2005, 01:01:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
"My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make." President G.W.Bush


BUahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah!


This is one of the definitions of Stalinism. The thing they have been fighting since 1956 and finally succeded here: no noone is responsible for anything any more.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 04:06:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Did not Bush take responsibility for Katrina recently? Turn off the Democratic underground once in a while and actually see whats happening in our country for a change.

What country did I grow up in? "The" country. Farm country. Apple pie, mothers and fathers that raised kids responsibly and value work ethics. We had no knowledge of the "Berkeley Culture" except for what we saw on the news in the evenings. Sorry to hear you may have been a part of that "Peace, Love and Dope" culture.  Seems the mothers and fathers of that "Berkeley era" gave birth to higher school drop out percentages, abortions, increased divorces and lower the overall academic architecture of America....its very evident today, don't you agree?


First of all.... Bush taking responsibility:

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government and to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility,"

If that isn't backhanded enough for ya... how exactly did he take that responsibility? By saying it? LOL. He's STILL got Brownie on the payroll.
How about taking responsibility for that lousy Supreme Court nomination.....

NOpe! He's blaming the Democratic minority in congress for asking for too many papers. Heheeeee. Dude! This is rich!

And as for me being in the peace love dope generation..... you don't know jack.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 28, 2005, 05:07:37 PM
LOL.. yah; look at us all dodging the responsibility bullet.

This sorry bellybutton state of affairs happened on OUR watch gents. You, me, all of us are responsible.

Think about THAT on election day.

I know I sure as hell will be and I will never again shirk my duty as an American to vote, to speak out and stand in line at the polls.

Remember, politics starts in your home town, with your school board, with your county and town's elected officals.

Do yer damn duty, beiatch, moan, make a scene.. but lets all agree to do something besides watch the news and shake our heads.

Make the news happen. Don't sit on your helpless fat bellybutton and just watch it.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 05:10:37 PM
Amen brotha Hang...
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Sandman on October 28, 2005, 05:18:55 PM
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Originally posted by Hangtime
This sorry bellybutton state of affairs happened on OUR watch gents. You, me, all of us are responsible.


You can't pin this on me. I didn't vote for the current clown.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 28, 2005, 05:43:28 PM
at least yah voted, sandy.

That's a big plus.

I don't give a damn if folks beyatch.. as long as they vote. Bless yah. Keep exercising the franchise. Find somebody you know that doesn't vote and get his bellybutton registered and make sure he gets to the polls. Lever the bastards outta the recliners.

Hum a few bars of 'Alices Restreraunt'.. I doin't give a tinkers damn what it takes.. but lets get the folks on YOUR block, MY block, every damn block in America to stand up and be counted.

You want the war over? You wanna Escalate? Don't give a damn. Find the guy that sings yer tune, get him or her registered, get 'em to the polls.

For once, lets see what a mandate looks like when the PEOPLE vote.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 05:45:07 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
First of all.... Bush taking responsibility:

"Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government and to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility,"

If that isn't backhanded enough for ya... how exactly did he take that responsibility? By saying it? LOL. He's STILL got Brownie on the payroll.
How about taking responsibility for that lousy Supreme Court nomination.....

NOpe! He's blaming the Democratic minority in congress for asking for too many papers. Heheeeee. Dude! This is rich!

And as for me being in the peace love dope generation..... you don't know jack.


Taking responsibility for a nomination....oooookay. I think he DID when he MADE the nomination (Thinking of a good blonde joke here, but it would be editted).  As for the democrat minority in congress, Uhhh, does Clarence Thomas ring a bell? The democrats just LOVE to find mud, any mud, to disrupt any nomimation...why do you suppose they do that?

Brownie is on the payroll, for another 30 days. We'll see what happens then. Remember it was the press that crucified Brownie...but naturally you'd trust them before anyone, and Dan Rather is your uncle...

Regarding your past...I think the content and opinions of your posts speak for themselves, loud and clear.  ;) Rock on, dude. Peace!
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 28, 2005, 05:45:54 PM
Oh yes, let's vote for some other liars and cheats so we can all rally again at the next election.  blah, blah, blah, rinse, repeat.

I am not going to be happy until we have the option to vote for "None of the above" and that option to be taken seriously.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: XrightyX on October 28, 2005, 05:48:14 PM
Vote for Skuzzy!  :aok
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 05:48:26 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Oh yes, let's vote for some other liars and cheats so we can all rally again at the next election.  blah, blah, blah, rinse, repeat.

I am not going to be happy until we have the option to vote for "None of the above" and that option to be taken seriously.


But what are the consequences of "No Government in power"? Seriously?  We must focus our attention of the "lessor of two evils" then vote that direction. Can you imagine Kerry in office right now? I can't. Bush has screwed up, but I can't imagine him screwing up as badly as a liberal dem like Kerry could have...
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 28, 2005, 05:50:01 PM
If 50% of the people vote for "None of the above", then the parties must go back and pick someone else to run, and we keep doing that until we get a winner.

Otherwise, we are just changing the name of the people in power, and nothing else.  One day the parties might get the hint, we are not going to take it anymore.

How else can, "we the people" send that message?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 05:51:56 PM
Incidently Skuzzy, this whole thread was just an attack on my signature that I've carried now for 3 months...maybe his conscience finally triggered an anger where he felt he must dedicate a thread with the subject of my signature.  ;) Sometimes the mirror frightens us when we see our reflection.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 28, 2005, 05:52:50 PM
I know why it started.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 28, 2005, 05:53:01 PM
I'm for it. How do we get it on the ballot?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 05:59:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
If 50% of the people vote for "None of the above", then the parties must go back and pick someone else to run, and we keep doing that until we get a winner.

Otherwise, we are just changing the name of the people in power, and nothing else.  One day the parties might get the hint, we are not going to take it anymore.

How else can, "we the people" send that message?


I'm for that. I'm also for some sort of compromise between "Electorial votes" and actual numbers counted.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Thrawn on October 28, 2005, 06:46:31 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Incidently Skuzzy, :cry




lol
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: rpm on October 28, 2005, 07:50:36 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Oh yes, let's vote for some other liars and cheats so we can all rally again at the next election.  blah, blah, blah, rinse, repeat.

I am not going to be happy until we have the option to vote for "None of the above" and that option to be taken seriously.
You have just that opportunity coming up in Texas, Skuzzy. Don't vote in the gubenatorial primary elections. Then, sign the petetion to get Kinky Friedman on the ballot and vote for him in the general election.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Russian on October 28, 2005, 08:24:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
If 50% of the people vote for "None of the above", then the parties must go back and pick someone else to run, and we keep doing that until we get a winner.

Otherwise, we are just changing the name of the people in power, and nothing else.  One day the parties might get the hint, we are not going to take it anymore.

How else can, "we the people" send that message?

Point one, if it will actually happen, and we have to have ‘re-election’ then who is going to cover the cost?
Point two. In order for that 50% to work, general population must be educated in the politics and actually sincerely care about its issues. Since both parties put forward blend of nothingness and neither party makes changes which affect people as a whole, no population will magically ‘care’ about something which does not affect its lives.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 09:26:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
I know why it started.


Really? Care to share with me... since I started it.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 28, 2005, 09:26:52 PM
i still think the key to national politics is local politics. It's doubutful we can get a grip on the national monkey without first getting control of the local bananas.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 28, 2005, 09:41:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Taking responsibility for a nomination....oooookay. I think he DID when he MADE the nomination (Thinking of a good blonde joke here, but it would be editted).  As for the democrat minority in congress, Uhhh, does Clarence Thomas ring a bell? The democrats just LOVE to find mud, any mud, to disrupt any nomimation...why do you suppose they do that?

Brownie is on the payroll, for another 30 days. We'll see what happens then. Remember it was the press that crucified Brownie...but naturally you'd trust them before anyone, and Dan Rather is your uncle...

Regarding your past...I think the content and opinions of your posts speak for themselves, loud and clear.  ;) Rock on, dude. Peace!


Blaming her withdrawal on the request for additional papers is hardly taking responsibility. Maybe it would be more honest to just come out and say it was a mistake? Maybe he should admit that he didn't have the votes to confirm her? Maybe you forget that the Dems were the majority party when Thomas was nominated.

Brownie has been reupped for another 30.. You like paying the salary of a proven liar and incompetant? (bet you can't answer that without a Clinton reference)

Regarding my past... you are on thin ice. I am the product of a WW2 Army Air Corps vet who became the CEO of a company with 1/2 billion a year in sales... without a college degree. And a woman who graduated summa cum laude from the University of Illinois in 1945. You know, back when women didn't do those things. Which one exactly would you call the peace love dope generation?

You continue to soldier on without the facts .... thats an admirable quality Rip..
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2005, 10:20:42 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Blaming her withdrawal on the request for additional papers is hardly taking responsibility. Maybe it would be more honest to just come out and say it was a mistake? Maybe he should admit that he didn't have the votes to confirm her? Maybe you forget that the Dems were the majority party when Thomas was nominated.

Brownie has been reupped for another 30.. You like paying the salary of a proven liar and incompetant? (bet you can't answer that without a Clinton reference)

Regarding my past... you are on thin ice. I am the product of a WW2 Army Air Corps vet who became the CEO of a company with 1/2 billion a year in sales... without a college degree. And a woman who graduated summa cum laude from the University of Illinois in 1945. You know, back when women didn't do those things. Which one exactly would you call the peace love dope generation?

You continue to soldier on without the facts .... thats an admirable quality Rip..


Your generation...thats why we're in this mess....YOUR generation, not mine.  Problem is...you got old before you died.

People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Why don’t you all f-fade away (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to d-dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
And don’t try to d-dig what we all s-s-say (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m not trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my g-g-generation (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby
This is my generation, baby

People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
People try to put us d-down (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we g-g-get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Just because we g-g-get around (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Yeah, I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)
Yeah, I hope I die before I get old (talkin’ ’bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Now grow up. We know why you started the thread.

TROLL!
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 28, 2005, 11:24:30 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target

NOpe! He's blaming the Democratic minority in congress for asking for too many papers. Heheeeee. Dude! This is rich!
 


Gimme a break.  Its obvious the democrats would to their very best to block any nomination the prez puts up no matter who he puts up. Any way they can.
Even if he nominated The most qualified liberal democrat on the planet whos qualifications and intergrety were beyond any possible refute.
The democrats would try to block him anyway if for no other reason then he nominated that person.

Heh, speaking of Democrats and Republicans I heard a comedian the other night discribe our two parties perfectly.

The Republicans are full of bad ideas
And the Democrats have no ideas.

and there is nothing worse then when the two decide to work together

A republican will get up and say "I Have a really bad idea"
and a Democrat will get up and say "Wait. I can make it worse"

Pretty dern accurate I think
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 28, 2005, 11:28:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
If 50% of the people vote for "None of the above", then the parties must go back and pick someone else to run, and we keep doing that until we get a winner.

Otherwise, we are just changing the name of the people in power, and nothing else.  One day the parties might get the hint, we are not going to take it anymore.

How else can, "we the people" send that message?


"I want you all to go to your window right now open it up and stick your head out and yell.
IM AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!":D
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 28, 2005, 11:32:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime
i still think the key to national politics is local politics. It's doubutful we can get a grip on the national monkey without first getting control of the local bananas.


you know whats funny.
I know of several instances where people run for election for local offices with no opponent running against them.
To take it a step farther I've even seen therse people running (against zero oposition) going through the motions of bothering to put up  "Vote for" signs all over the place as IF they had someone running against them.
Some of these people have been in office for years and years and nobody bothers to run against them

and this isnt for just one town either.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: AdmRose on October 28, 2005, 11:49:05 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Gimme a break.  Its obvious the democrats would to their very best to block any nomination the prez puts up no matter who he puts up. Any way they can.
Even if he nominated The most qualified liberal democrat on the planet whos qualifications and intergrety were beyond any possible refute.
The democrats would try to block him anyway if for no other reason then he nominated that person.

Heh, speaking of Democrats and Republicans I heard a comedian the other night discribe our two parties perfectly.

The Republicans are full of bad ideas
And the Democrats have no ideas.

and there is nothing worse then when the two decide to work together

A republican will get up and say "I Have a really bad idea"
and a Democrat will get up and say "Wait. I can make it worse"

Pretty dern accurate I think


God bless Lewis Black - if he runs, I'll vote for him
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 29, 2005, 12:09:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by AdmRose
God bless Lewis Black - if he runs, I'll vote for him


funny funny man.

And how often we feel the way he speaks. Not just in what he says. But in the way he says it
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Yeager on October 29, 2005, 12:44:30 AM
First and foremost, There is God.

Then to the right hand side of God, there is Jesus.

On Gods left hand side is my leader and personel savior, and I must say, leader of the free world, George W. Bush.

Long live the great GWBush!

Oh sure, we are all human and we all make mistakes, but George forgives me.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Shuckins on October 29, 2005, 07:51:11 AM
Come on Rip...cut Midnight some slack.  He can't help himself...he hasn't been the same since Jerry Brown retired from the California Governor's post.


Besides, you need to concentrate on what's really important.........








..........................it's DEER SEASON!!
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 08:23:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Russian
Point one, if it will actually happen, and we have to have ‘re-election’ then who is going to cover the cost?
Make the parties responsible.  Hit them where it will hurt (the wallet) and it will give them incentive to make sure they are putting their best foot forward.  I would also be willing help cover election costs *if* I knew for certain we had some control over the people we have to chose from.
How many people either said or thought, "This is the best we have to offer for President?" in the last election?  I, for one, believe we can do better, but *we* were not given a choice.

Quote
Originally posted by Russian
Point two. In order for that 50% to work, general population must be educated in the politics and actually sincerely care about its issues. Since both parties put forward blend of nothingness and neither party makes changes which affect people as a whole, no population will magically ‘care’ about something which does not affect its lives.
No changes required to the level of education, as the population currently votes as it is.  Just add the option to the ballot and give us a real chance to make a good decision, rather than voting for the least of the evils.

You were quick to point out failings of the idea.  Are you happy wih the status quo?  Or do you have another idea worth perusing?

Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
Really? Care to share with me... since I started it.
I'll keep my opinion to myself in this instance as airing it in a public forum would not accomplish anything.

Quote
Originally posted by rpm
You have just that opportunity coming up in Texas, Skuzzy. Don't vote in the gubenatorial primary elections. Then, sign the petetion to get Kinky Friedman on the ballot and vote for him in the general election.
Not the same thing.  Doing it after the fact, destroys any chance for continuity and is more disruptive.  Take a look at any state who has booted a governor from office to realize it does not work and is far more detrimental to the state than to not have put a putz into office in the first place.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Hangtime on October 29, 2005, 08:29:41 AM
I think I get it... do the 'none of the above' on the Primary too... hell on every ballot for every office from dogcatcher on up.

I like it.

How do we do it?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
And that is the larger issue Hang.  We are not in control of it.  I would really like to hear how we could do it.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: lazs2 on October 29, 2005, 10:35:12 AM
I don't like Bush.

I voted for him only because there was a chance the other commie socialist  buffoon would get in and make my life worse with more restrictions and commie big government.

Given the choice.... I would do it again the same way.

I was heartened by the fact that Bush did do as he said he would and kept his word on the gun issues.   He made things better... the other  guys woulda made em much worse.

It has been a very long time since I have voted for a candidate rather than against his opponent.  

I believe that it is impossible for a politician to get into a large state of national election and have a chance of winning if he is not scum of the earth.

My only choice in voting is to pick the guy who appears to be able to do me the least damage.

This election was very important in that respect as it decieded some real important issues in the American system of power over us... the apointment of judges... the 2 supremes especially.   I hope he has the guts to get a real live constitutionalist on now.

lazs
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: BluKitty on October 29, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
why couldn't a person run as a 'none of the above' platform ...

You know like Pryor ... in Brewsters Millions :D

(http://www.impawards.com/1985/posters/brewsters_millions.jpg)
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 10:58:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
I believe that it is impossible for a politician to get into a large state of national election and have a chance of winning if he is not scum of the earth.
See that little gem lazs?  As long as we chose to believe and accept it, that is exactly what we will be stuck with.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Russian on October 29, 2005, 11:14:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Make the parties responsible.  Hit them where it will hurt (the wallet) and it will give them incentive to make sure they are putting their best foot forward.  I would also be willing help cover election costs *if* I knew for certain we had some control over the people we have to chose from.
How many people either said or thought, "This is the best we have to offer for President?" in the last election?  I, for one, believe we can do better, but *we* were not given a choice.

No changes required to the level of education, as the population currently votes as it is.  Just add the option to the ballot and give us a real chance to make a good decision, rather than voting for the least of the evils.

You were quick to point out failings of the idea.  Are you happy wih the status quo?  Or do you have another idea worth perusing?



So that will force parties to find another way to get large sums of money…..I see so many wrong things with that….
What I’m saying is that people do not care. They will not care if there’s a N/A choice either. They learn of politicians from 30 seconds commercial which is moronic if you think about it. That 30 seconds usually does not cover a single idea, it just shows pretty and deceitful images. That’s why I ‘shoot down’ your idea, it will not accomplish anything. This issue has deeper roots than just a box on a ballot. Once people actually care about issues, we will not need a blank box… Maybe you are into politics, but general population is rather be stuck in front of a tube then to gather information about their upcoming vote.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 11:22:48 AM
It is really easy to shoot down every idea which proposes changes.  It is much harder to make those changes than to accept the status quo.

You have to start somewhere or you never get anything done.  You can never get a system in place which cannot be corrupted.  It is not the system at fault.  The fault lies within the people we employ to run our government.

To change who we trust at the helm, we need to have a system which will be intolerable of those who do corrupt it.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2005, 11:25:28 AM
The none of the above option actually belongs in the Primary. It can be held far enough in advance so that the actual main electin can continue after the political party gets the message and regroups. As to how to get it on the ballot, that was covered in civics / social studies / government or whatever term they used to cover the classes on how the government is structured to work. Think petition and go from there. Secondly if you are interested in how any political party chooses it's cantidates go get involved at the local level. Every party has options at the local level for you to get into the "system" and work for what you believe. If you don't do this you really have done nothing but sit back and wait for someone else who did do that to make the decisions as to who will run at any level then serve them up to you like pablum.

On another related subject. If you didn't vote last election and you were eligable, you have no reason to ***** and or complain. You shirked your own personal responsibility to have a say in how things are done. Just simply STFU and go sit in the corner because you had a chance to participate but couldn't summon the backbone to do it. Don't complain because someone else was able to do more than the nothing you did and things didn't go your way.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 11:37:13 AM
Not everyone has the luxury of having the time to get directly involved with the process Maverick.  I certainly don't.  I, like most people, rely on those who can get involved to help make the right decisions.
So far, it ain't working.  I wish I did have time to get directly involved.

The petition would only work at the state level, if memory serves.  Without it being implemented nation-wide it would be an exercise in futility.  Am I wrong here?
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2005, 11:43:56 AM
Skuzzy,

No one on this BBS is too busy to make a few phone calls, send e-mails or write letters. If they were, they wouldn't be posting here.

Primaries are all done at the state level. The primary is for you to tell the members of the party who you want placed on the ballot. Much of the work is done ahead of time but if you didn't do the petition, letter writing, caucasing etc. then you didn't make your voice heard before the pablum container came by.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 29, 2005, 11:53:46 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Your generation...thats why we're in this mess....YOUR generation, not mine.  Problem is...you got old before you died.


Now grow up. We know why you started the thread.

TROLL!


This crap just keeps on getting funnier. You and I are almost the same age. Where exactly does that "generational" thing split?

Truth be known I was planning to do a riff on that Bush quote for a while. It is hilariously hypocritical. The fact that it was part of your sig only put frosting on the cake.

BTW... name calling must be something from your generation.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Skuzzy on October 29, 2005, 11:55:53 AM
Maverick, I have done my fair share of letter writting.  It all falls on deaf ears (I have written to state and federal persons and have never gotten a response).  
I have participated in large organized protests and nothing (a coalition of over 1,000 business owners attempting to prevent large coporations from unfairly charging people for services being rendered on behalf of said corporations by smaller companies).

While it appears there are processes in place, many times they simply do not work, for whatever reason.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Holden McGroin on October 29, 2005, 11:59:21 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
This crap just keeps on getting funnier. You and I are almost the same age. Where exactly does that "generational" thing split?


April 12, 1973, 20:35 GMT
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: Maverick on October 29, 2005, 11:59:54 AM
Well Skuzzy, if you tried you did more than 99.999999% of many complainers. I didn't say whatever you were trying to accomplish would be feasable just that there are ways to make you voices heard.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: midnight Target on October 29, 2005, 12:13:24 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
April 12, 1973, 20:35 GMT


Thanks... making a note.
Title: Personal Responsibility
Post by: lazs2 on October 30, 2005, 09:47:28 AM
It is fairly easy here... we have phone numbers of our representitives.   When a bill is being considered you can call the commie witch and tell her that you are for it or oppose it.  some mush brained little commie in training will choke out a strained "thank you" and would ignore you except...

the rep needs to send you a letter thanking your for your support/opposition (check one) of the bill... if you don't get the letter... the little jerkoff that took the call tossed it.

I also tell people of like mind to call.

It isn't much but it feels slightly better to have done it... kinda like voting in that respect.

The last time I went on a "rally" was to oppose MTBE additive in gasoline.  we had about 5,000 people but were ignored as everyone knows that MTBE is harmless and useful.   I still feel better for doing it.

speaking out here is not such a bad thing either..  Don't know if anyones mind is changed but it often makes me do the research and rethink things... certainly others are affected the same way.

lazs