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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: CHECKERS on October 28, 2005, 07:09:38 PM
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Please give the game a late B 25 ,ah fast one, loaded with lotsa cannons in the nose !
Best Regards
CHECKERS
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I wonder if this is a troll? No offense checkers, are you being serious?
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I dont know of any B-25's that carried 'lotsa cannons', but I know of two that carried one BIG one! The B-25G and H. The G is derived from the C/D, and the H became the basis for the J. So, if they model one of the gunbunnies, they can add the bomber version fairly easily (or vice versa).
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The B25 would be a good add. Much better than the B26 IMHO.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I wonder if this is a troll? No offense checkers, are you being serious?
Even if it is, it's still a good subject.
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The b-25 is a historically signifigant plane that definetly deserves a spot in the AH lineup . But seeing as how we got the b-24 , i think the luffwobbles will have throw a fit if we get another US bomber before an axis one is produced .
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So lose the 24 :p :rolleyes: :lol
Seriously, Id love to see the hard-nose 25s in the game, I was surprised when I started that they weren't.
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We've got an incomplete A-20C havoc
Which is basically a B-25 with no bombsite and a lighter bomb load.
The B-25 is not that great an airplane.
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It has got some nice defensive features though, the same as the B-26
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would have rather had the 25 than the 26 in game, i know the 26 has been in forever, anyone know the reason behind the choice?
now that we have the 26 and a20 it seems a bit of a waste doing the 25 as there are more important types to add... seems the 25 wouldnt bring anything new.
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No this ain't a troll, and I put request for wrong plane !
What I ment to ask for is a Douglas A-26 Invader
Specifications (A-26B):
Engines: Two 2000hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-79 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 22,370 lbs., Maximum Takeoff 35,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 70ft. 0in.
Length: 50ft. 9in.
Height: 18ft. 6in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 15,000 ft: 355 mph
Ceiling: 22,100 ft
Range: 1,400 miles
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns in nose
Two 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns each in ventral and dorsal turrets
6000 lbs. of bombs
Eight 127mm (5-inch) rockets
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Originally posted by Furball
would have rather had the 25 than the 26 in game, i know the 26 has been in forever, anyone know the reason behind the choice?
Didn't some of HTC's staff work on WB? I think they just wanted the b26 to do something different.
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cc, WB2 had the B-25C(I think it was C), G, and J. I can understand them wanting to do something different so it wouldn't look like they copied it, but AH is most definitely its "own game" now and the B-5G/H is an overdue addition. The one we had in WB was extremely effective, we had times in the old HA when one or two of them escorted by a flight of 38Fs would wipe out a base in one or two passes. It even carried skip bombs, which were a godsend once you got the hang of them.
I don't know how you can compare the A-20 we have to something that holds either a total of 8x .50s and a 75mm cannon or 12x .50s. (plus the top turret, which could be locked forward on both models for an added pair of M2s)
Might not see all that much MA use once the novelty wears off, but it is (IMO) essential for a South Pacific scenario or CT setup.
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IMO the G/H is the last version we need. We need a glass-nosed C and a solid nosed J, and MAYBE (I'd use it, tellyawhut) a glass-nosed J.
The 57mm cannon has no real purpose. Would serve nothing. And it was shunned by folks in the pacific. So I say leave THAT one out.
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IRL, it may have been a bit superfluous, (I prefer the all-.50 nose myself), but it would be great for GV busting, De-Acking, field porking, etc. in AH. Plus that version could carry rockets. Would be a devastating ground-pounder- more like a modern A-10 than a classic medium bomber.
Sorry to keep beating an apparently dead horse, but I am a big B-25 fan, and its probably 2 or 3 on my list of "most wanted additions".
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Any 20mm armed plane is far better for deacking -- fighters are faster more manuverable, can take out several ack guns in a single pass, but the reload on the 57mm was super long, like a minute almost, or something wierd. It was hand loaded. The ballistics sucked... So don't bet on using it for deacking. It was a small round, and an HE round (not AP) so it would be useless against Tigers/T34s, and there are far more capable planes to take out the lighter GVs.
It's a slow and cumbersome ride, the B25. So when fighters can do all the things you listed above, but only they can do them better, I don't think it has much use.
I say just give us the "normal" versions.
EDIT: the only problem is the drone system.. if you take a formation of solid-nosed b25s.... only you'll be able to strafe, and you might lose your wingmen while doing it. There needs to be a stronger formation link in b25s as opposed to other bombers.
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I can see it now a flight of B25s come screaming into a CV and fires the 75mm cannon in the nose right before is pulls up and releases it's bomb load......actually it sound pretty cool even if it would be a suicide mission. :aok
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Hrm... I don't know if the b25H/J with solid nose (cannon or not) would even get a formation... the A20G doesn't, does it?
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Nope.
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It would be nice to have a medium bomber that can take off from a carrier.
I know the Doolittle raid was a one-off thing but if the B25 is put in the game I hope it is avaiable from the carriers.
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The b25s Doolitle used were stripped down and unarmed.
The B25s in AH, even with a 30mph headwind, wouldn't ever be able to take off, is my bet.
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i can land and rearm/takeoff a b26 off the cv in AH, completely unrealistic i know, but it is doable. good for killing SB's!
just dont see how the b25 would add to AH, already have the very similar b26.
need more ruskie bombers, german bombers, mosquitos!
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Originally posted by Krusty
The b25s Doolitle used were stripped down and unarmed.
The B25s in AH, even with a 30mph headwind, wouldn't ever be able to take off, is my bet.
Well I don't know about that. I've seen B17s land and take off fromm carriers...
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I hope (if the B-25 is put into AH) you can take off from the CVs. Just like Doolittle's Raiders.
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everything can take of from cv (234 & Lanc included)
B26s are able to strafe in formation if you make wide turns and plan your approaches
B25 wont be enabled at carriers because the ones that did in the doolittle raid were modified. No modified planes will be in AH2.
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unless they make a option available to modify them when they add the B-25
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What he means is:
HTC will only add "stock" models. They won't add a rare P38 that had 12x 50cals. This was never done in production. They won't add the rare, stripped down, unarmed B25C, because it didn't come out of the factory that way. That's what he meant.
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To further rain on Raider's parade:
This means no atomic bomb;)
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This means no atomic bomb
Raptor read rule 2
please stay on topic
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It was on topic, we were discussing the fact that modified aircraft will not be modeled in AH2. I stated a fact regarding modified aircraft.
read rules 2, 3, 5, 6, 10
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u went off topic by talkin about a nuke
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What are the similarities between the A20 and Bostons? I seem to remember seeing a flight of Bostons coming into the field and the icon said A20......just wondering.
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Basically Boston is an earlier version of the A20 w/ glass nose and .303s instead of .50 cal. A20 has better engines and bomb racks on the wings.
Up a Boston and then up an A20 and you will see the similarities.
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Originally posted by Furball
would have rather had the 25 than the 26 in game, i know the 26 has been in forever, anyone know the reason behind the choice?
now that we have the 26 and a20 it seems a bit of a waste doing the 25 as there are more important types to add... seems the 25 wouldnt bring anything new.
I fly 26's a lot in this game. I can say it has a high durability factor. I have sunk numerous CV's on a 5k level bomb run and survived. The only planes I've ever worried about shooting me down are 110's, Typhoons, and of course 163's and 262's.
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Yeah, no kidding it's tough.. TOO tough, if you ask me. I was in an f4uc chasing one. It had alredy been attacked before by another player. I had 200 rounds in my primary and secondary.. I used EVERY FREAKING ROUND on the damn 26. I don't care if you say they scattered, 400-freaking-20mm rounds will obliterate 10 planes, not just 1. When I was done I had a total of 60 rounds left (about 30 each pri/sec).
It's BS.
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Basically Boston is an earlier version of the A20 w/ glass nose and .303s instead of .50 cal. A20 has better engines and bomb racks on the wings.
Up a Boston and then up an A20 and you will see the similarities.
Thanks Raptor.