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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: beet1e on October 30, 2005, 07:56:30 AM
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It is felt the the US President is in need of a little Royal guidance in performing his duties. LOL! I bet this is going to stick in a few craws. :lol
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/30/nchas30.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/30/ixnewstop.html (picture of Camilla inside!)
The Prince of Wales will try to persuade George W Bush and Americans of the merits of Islam this week because he thinks the United States has been too intolerant of the religion since September 11.
The Prince, who leaves on Tuesday for an eight-day tour of the US, has voiced private concerns over America's "confrontational" approach to Muslim countries and its failure to appreciate Islam's strengths.
The Duchess of Cornwall will accompany her husband
The Prince raised his concerns when he met senior Muslims in London in November 2001. The gathering took place just two months after the attacks on New York and Washington. "I find the language and rhetoric coming from America too confrontational," the Prince said, according to one leader at the meeting.
It is understood that Prince Charles did not - and does not - believe that the actions of 19 hijackers should tarnish the reputation of hundreds of millions of law-abiding Muslims around the world.
Khalid Mahmood, the Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Bar, was also at the meeting at St James's Palace. "His criticism of America was a general one of the Americans not having the appreciation we have for Islam and its culture," he said.
Mr Mahmood and other Muslims present stressed that Prince Charles did not go so far as to criticise the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001. More recently, he has been careful not to express his views on Iraq.
The Prince also spoke of his sympathy for America after the terrorist attacks that claimed the lives of almost 3,000 people. He said he wanted to promote better relations between the different religions of the world.
Those present at the meeting in 2001 included Sir Iqbal Sacrani, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, and Hashir Faruqi, the chief editor of Impact International, an Islamic affairs magazine.
Prince Charles, who is about to embark on his first official foreign tour since his marriage to the Duchess of Cornwall, wants Americans - including Mr Bush - to share his fondness for Islam. He has agreed to attend a seminar on religions at Georgetown University, Washington, on Thursday: the only event where he will not be accompanied by the Duchess.
"The seminar will look at how faith groups can alleviate social problems in their community," a royal aide said.
The Prince and Duchess will attend a lunch and dinner with President Bush and his wife, Laura, at the White House on Wednesday.
Prince Charles has done more than any other member of the Royal Family in history to understand Islam. He said in 1994 that when he became Supreme Governor of the Church of England, he would rather be "defender of faiths" than "defender of the faith".
A year earlier Prince Charles made a speech, acclaimed throughout the Arab world, on relations between Islam and the West. He urged the West to overcome its "unthinkable prejudices" about Islam and its customs and laws.
He spoke warmly of the West's debt to the culture of Islam and distanced moderate Muslims from misguided militants. "Extremism is no more the monopoly of Islam than it is the monopoly of other religions, including Christianity," he said.
A senior aide to Prince Charles said yesterday: "The Prince has never promoted political messages around religion. He has simply said that he wants a greater tolerance and understanding of each other religions which will, in turn, promote better relations between faiths."
A spokesman for Clarence House declined to discuss the Prince's comments four years ago. "We never discuss private conversations," he said.
Prince Charles has been wooing the US media ahead of next week's tour when he will visit New York, Washington and San Francisco. It is considered a risky venture because Diana, Princess of Wales, who died eight years ago, was so revered in the US.
In an interview to be shown on CBS's 60 Minutes today, he speaks of his desire to enrich people's lives through his work. "I only hope that when I am dead and gone they might appreciate it a little more," he jokes.
Don't forget to tune into 60 Minutes tonight!
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It's allways polite to pretend that you listen to royalty from former great nations.
lazs
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About 230 years ago we made a pretty compelling argument regarding our opinion of royal advice.
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That's nice. We're getting another tourist visiting the Capital. WHat is mr. Charles' last name again??
I have absolutely no problem with islam. It's the lack of control those "hundreds millions of muslims" have over the people who are causing the problems around the world that actually maintain the "tarnish" of their religion. Once they get them to stop the acts of terrorism in their name perhaps they can be taken more seriously. If those "hundreds of millions of law abiding muslims" were really serious about it, those terrorists wouldn't have any place to hide so they wouldn't be able to continue to kill even more muslims and other people indiscriminately.
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I guess he is upset with all the Mosques we've been burning down in this country and the way we've been attacking the gas station attendants
Or any of all the terrible terribe things we've been doung to the Islamic population here.
I mean hell. they cant find jobs,ride our busses,own homes in or build mosques in our neighborhoods or ANY of the other things that regular Amerikans do.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lazs2
It's allways polite to pretend that you listen to royalty from former great nations.
lazs
Its even more polite to recognise Royalty as being royalty inasmuch as we dont beleive in nor bow to royalty here.
Mighty considerate of you Laz.
your a bigger man then I on that front
To me. he is just "Charly"
No bigger a deal then the man at my local convieniance store.
Actually the guy at my local convieniance store is a bigger deal.
He sells milk, not BS ;)
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we got a bounty law for british subjects still on the books here.
Charlie better stay the hell outta my town or he's gonna wind up financing somebodys next cup of 7-11 coffee.
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I said "listen" not heed. Smile broadly and shake your head up and down... try to change the "subject" (pun intended)... and then...
"very interesting... thanks for dropping by... don't be a stranger.. can you find your own way out?"
lazs
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look at all the yanks get all defensive :D
the British don't even listen to charles, you dont have to either. besides, why are you all so against taking advice from pretty much your only ally? (we have a large muslim community here)
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Originally posted by beet1e
LOL! I bet this is going to stick in a few craws. :lol
What's a craw???
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I guess he is upset with all the Mosques we've been burning down in this country and the way we've been attacking the gas station attendants
Or any of all the terrible terribe things we've been doung to the Islamic population here.
I mean hell. they cant find jobs,ride our busses,own homes in or build mosques in our neighborhoods or ANY of the other things that regular Amerikans do.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, those of us living in the Detroit-Toledo corridor have been practicing ethnic cleansing against our Muslim population, which is the largest in the US. Why, on a weekend night, you can read by the light of the fires from the burning mosques.
And nobody is eating Syrian or Iranian food anymore, either. The restaurants are all closing down.
Sheesh, I don't have anything against the brits, I think they are wonderful people and good allies. But to be lectured by a rich do-nothing with terrible taste in women...
That's too much. After all, what are Charlie's qualifications in international relations? He got birthed by the queen?
(edit for typos)
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furball... no offense... but you guys aren't doing that well with yours and..
you giving us advise on how to integrate diverse minorities into society is kinda like a cat teaching a dog to bark. You are like 97% white and... maybe you noticed... your borders are.... well.... ocean. Nobody wades on over to your island in the dark holding all their worldly possesions above their head so as to not get wet.
lazs
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Originally posted by Furball
(we have a large muslim community here)
Yup, sounds like a PR gig on his part.
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Originally posted by Furball
look at all the yanks get all defensive :D
the British don't even listen to charles, you dont have to either. besides, why are you all so against taking advice from pretty much your only ally? (we have a large muslim community here)
The British may not listen to PC, but he sure listens to the British...
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Maybe we need to get all "beetle" on charles ass, you know, we get drunk, say nasty things, look all pissed, then knock him to the floor and stamp away for the nearest bottle?
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Originally posted by lazs2
furball... no offense... but you guys aren't doing that well with yours and..
lazs
no offence taken, i can quite easily admit that we do have faults in our country.
the key fault concerning immigration here IMO is the lack of integration towards the british culture/way of life/ideals. there is very little national pride amongst them towards Britain, this is where i think America excels..
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I think the Prince is too eager to appease tryanny. And it shows a weakness to me.
Listen to him and be respectful and all that but 3000 american civilians died at the hands of nineteen representatives of islam on 9/11. I dont see where we had much choice about inserting ourselves into the midst of islam, and like crap attracts flys, setting our military in a position to do grevious harm to our enemies. You know, If it were I in the seat of power I would have taken the opportunity to destroy three or four countries on 9/12 and laid serious warning to the others about behaving themselves.
In any event, I dont think the Prince is in a very powerful position here at all....
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Originally posted by lazs2
You are like 97% white and... maybe you noticed... your borders are.... well.... ocean. Nobody wades on over to your island in the dark holding all their worldly possesions above their head so as to not get wet.
lazs
97%? Really? I'm surprised, where did you get that percentage from? Second most popular surname in the UK is Patel, an Indian name. I don't have a problem of what colour people are, afterall as long as they're British they can be blue for all I care (smurfs!!!).
As for our borders being oceans, well, the asylum seekers get kicked out of mainland Europe and end up in Britain because the government is a soft touch. It's becoming a major problem identifying the genuine asylum seekers from the usual "I'll come and take your free health service, free housing, free income support....".
Anyway, Charles can voice his opinions, he's free to, but whether you listen is entirely your choice. So if you disagree then slag him off, not the rest of Britain since when it's reversed you soon get defensive.
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ok replicant... what percentage of brits are white? I had heard 97% on this BB and there was a link.
furbie... I think your info on the U.S. is outdated or... not so much outdated but.... doesn't consider the mexican situation.
for the most part you are right... people who come here seem to enjoy learning the language and being part of the American experiance... They seem grateful and are a big plus to the country but.... in a lot of cases the mexicans both legal, but more, the illegal.... tend to want to make the U.S. a part of mexico. They want the advantages but want to keep the culture and language that got made em so poor and downtrodden to begin with.
lazs
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hmm Asians (mostly southeast) who come to US seem to really like/adopt *some* of the "American" experience. They're eager to learn the English language but please be soft on their accents:p PS when u asked them how they picture USA, they automatically picture LOS ANGELES, LAS VEGAS, NEW YORK, SAN FRANCISCO, and CHIGAGO. These are some of the greatest cities in USA and people flock therre.
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oh... you might be a little less white in england but it is 98% in scotland... whales is less than england. this according to your latest census and reported by your BBC...
in any case... to an American...your idea of "diversity" is hilarious. most of your minorities are friggin asian to boot! LOL.... you have like 2% negroes!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2756041.stm
lazs
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Well, I come from the midlands in England, where there is a huge diversity and many different cultures. There are festivals that are held there which are the only ones held outside of India. There's something like 7 or 8 different religions and on the whole it is good to see them part of the community. Obviously some are not like that though and they're the only ones I have a problem with if they're not willing to abide by British laws.
The percentages are a little disproportionate because there are many regions where they have virtually no non-white inhabitants, whereas other areas, notably the midlands and west/south yorkshire they probably have in the region of 30-40%.
Ethnic groups:
white (English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)
Religions:
Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%, Hindu 1%, other 1.6%, unspecified or none 23.1% (2001 census)
So, that means nearly 7 million Briton's are non-white (more non-whites that white-Scottish, white-Welsh, white-Northern Irish, though not combined).
Source - CIA website
BTW It's Wales, not Whales :)
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Originally posted by Osama bin Yeager
You know, If it were I in the seat of power I would have taken the opportunity to destroy three or four countries on 9/12 and laid serious warning to the others about behaving themselves...
Could we have a list of those countries, please?
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Only one problem with that. Its not the princes country that the Islamic people refer to as "The Great Evil" Its not his royal keester on the line, its ours.
A third of the worlds population do not feel threatened by England.
They do feel threatened by the USA.
We represent everything they fear about the 20th Century.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Could we have a list of those countries, please?
Iraq,
Syria,
France
:)
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replicant... the site I showed is from the BBC and it is the latest census.
Have you ever been to the U.S.? I have been to england... it is like a KKK gathering diversity wise.
the census shows 91% white in england and 98% white in scotland.... not even a token amount of minorities by U.S. standards. My state is allmost 50% non white.
So.. getting a lecture from anyone in england about non white races is laughable.
lazs
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The prince is coming.
Hmmmmm...guess he will sing When Doves Cry" while he`s here.
How can u just leave me standing?
Alone in a world that's so cold? (So cold)
Maybe I'm just 2 demanding
Maybe I'm just like my father 2 bold
Maybe you're just like my mother
She's never satisfied (She's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry
:rofl
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The latest census is 2001; it's held every 10 years.
Ah, didn't realise you'd been to England, you know, you've been to one place and it's all the same you know *sarcasm off*. What I was trying to highlight is that there are more non-whites than there are Scottish people.
CIA website lists 82% white people in USA. So it goes to show that the area you live in, you mention that 50% are not white. The area I'm from is the same!
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I think that all americans should listen his words carefully.....
Because his family have profound experience with occupations and looting in foreigner territories.
Or am i wrong nexx ? :noid
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Lada, Charles is a romantic, living in the past, but he was most instrumental in helping Commonwealth countries detach from the UK. He's very eco-friendly, all for cultural change but not for industrial change. The UK is very compact and not spread out like the US. The cultural diversity is more evident because it isn't spread out so much; it's in the heartland of the country.
I'm personally not fond of him; William and Anne are the better ones! :)
And Lada, careful with your baiting, you may catch a few! :)
BTW, you in Praha or nearish to Plzen?
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Originally posted by Replicant
And Lada, careful with your baiting, you may catch a few! :)
one more Lada and im going to vulch you to Munich.
Orel
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Well, I'll literally be on the runway tomorrow! :)
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europe is post christian, it's a different story all together.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
About 230 years ago we made a pretty compelling argument regarding our opinion of royal advice.
What he said.
Besides who cates what old charlie is rattilin on about after all he is the ultimate mamma's boy.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Well, I'll literally be on the runway tomorrow! :)
Me nah north of Praga, butt wery closet.
El Saw invejded little sunsets before.
ummm well :)
My sister has move to Munich and i should go to France for 1 or 2 days.
So i might vulch you ..... this year.
btw Nexx i have one question... i dont know british history... that much (well its another was how to say i know a watermelon ;) )... was there any significant diference, when power in UK has been shifted from Queen/kingusmaximus to parlamet, at field of colonization and occupations ?
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Originally posted by lada
Me nah north of Praga, butt wery closet.
El Saw invejded little sunsets before.
ummm well :)
My sister has move to Munich and i should go to France for 1 or 2 days.
So i might vulch you ..... this year.
btw Nexx i have one question... i dont know british history... that much (well its another was how to say i know a watermelon ;) )... was there any significant diference, when power in UK has been shifted from Queen/kingusmaximus to parlamet, at field of colonization and occupations ?
Which part of Munich has your sister moved to? Does this mean you'll be visiting here sometime? You'll have to let me know... and we can go out and get very drunk! :)
As for your other question, I'm more into industrial history rather than political. The English Civil Wars took place between the Parliamentarians and the Royalists between 1642 - 1651. Parliament won and there was a period of time where there was no Royal Crown (the country being governed by the Protectorate Oliver Cromwell). Afterwards there could only be a Royal throne if approved by Parliament, which is just a paperwork exercise. To answer your question I can't see any significant difference referring to colonisation since this was before the age of the British Empire. Have a look here! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_civil_war)
So.... to ask again.... when you invading Germany? :)
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Could we have a list of those countries, please?
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Why? so you could run and hide? not a chance :rofl
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I expect to invade .. in 1 month..
Watch the sky..... there might be messed (nothing against Airmess) Tempest :)
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Those few hundred ZILLION Muslims ruin it for the other 4 or 5 dozen