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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on October 31, 2005, 01:56:06 PM
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Indonesia?
Things are starting to warm up with extremists over there. Just recently theres been more bombings, 3 Christian school girls were beheaded (age 16-19), and the people responsible for the Bali bombings have been getting time off their sentences under the pretence of some muslim holiday.
If Indonesia slips over into the extremist state, which is the way things are heading, we'll see a nation with 3 x as many muslims as Iran on the doorstep of Australia. Australia and Indonesia have always had "tense" relations, and the USA is a defence "partner" with the Aussies.
Are you guys (US) aware of this emerging threat and what do you think of it?
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Saw the pics of those kids over at ogrish. People treat people very poorly on this planet and it is painful just being alive sometimes.....
We are in a world of hurt Vulcan.
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They've got a great strategy going in Europe...
Work the immigration issue until they have enough people in-country to have political power, then start trouble. When it's pointed out exactly WHO is causing the trouble, claim religious persecution, say that the problems are the acts of a few extremists, and work a few extra "rights" into law in the name of anti-persecution legislation.
Exactly how many Muslim scholars have been brutally murdered with bible excerpts attached to their body by the knife used to murder them? Yet Islam is peace so NOTHING can be done about the religious extremism spouting from a few mosques because it's not politically correct to crack down on religious groups that preach terror and intolerance, and the threshold is moved one more inch toward islamo-fascism.
Maybe they're taking cues from California, where illegal Mexican immigrants have managed to secure social privledges given to nobody else in the US, simply by quietly moving North, taking what was originally intended to go to taxpayers and citizens, and using race-driven political uproar to secure additional privledges, rights, and social guarantees anytime someone mentions that non-citizens are getting billions of dollars of benefits intended for legal citizens.
Works for illegal Mexican immigrants in the US, no reason why it can't work for Islamic extremists anywhere else. It fits in very nicely with the "blame the victim" mentality going around in the world today, because as they're fond of saying in the UK anytime it's suggested that homeowners should be able to defend themselves with lethal means, even murderers have human rights that are not given up even when comitting violent crimes. The victim is held to account to guarantee the "human rights" of the assailant, and the same logic used to forbid homeowners the right to defend themselves without limit in their own homes is used to ensure that the citizen victims in an immigration crisis are not allowed to take universal action to prevent illegal immigration or punish groups that foster Islamic extremists.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Saw the pics of those kids over at ogrish. People treat people very poorly on this planet and it is painful just being alive sometimes.....
We are in a world of hurt Vulcan.
of the above mentioned beheaded 16 years old girls?
why on earth would one want to look that up and see it?
i am sorry i just dont understand it.
on topic, if that did happen this is the first i have heard of it, but that is the kind of story that should be a headline on the evening news. show how sick and brutally evil those muslims truly are.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
of the above mentioned beheaded 16 years old girls?
why on earth would one want to look that up and see it?
i am sorry i just dont understand it.
on topic, if that did happen this is the first i have heard of it, but that is the kind of story that should be a headline on the evening news. show how sick and brutally evil those muslims truly are.
Ihave to agree why look at beheaded girls to see how evil islam is?
on the other hand, at ogrish I found
Insurgent Found Electrocuted in Iraq
its fried pork!
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Oh, I've known about the problem in Indonesia for a while.
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Unless they start bombing nightclubs or planting drugs on unsuspecting tourists and then sentencing them to 20 years in prison, we don't have to worry about Indonesia.
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Vulcan, Australia and New Zealand better get Indonesia under their sphere of influence before they wind up a Chinese Protectorate.
Yup we've got a mutual defense treaty with Down Under.. and NOT with Indonesia.
If I wuz the Australian Government I would use the first pretext that came to hand to launch a very convincing invasion. When the Chinese get nasty about it I think we can and will help.
Sheesh.. talk about the Giant Rat of Sumatra... :)
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The Aussie relationship is not that great with Indonesia anyway, something about oil believe it or not. But if hostiilities did break out Aussie has a very large sparsely populated northern border, and frankly I don't think they could handle open hostilities, plus the nambi-pambi peaceniks in NZ probably would try and keep us out of the fight. I could see the US getting dragged into it pretty quickly.
What could be fun for the Aussies is extremists slipping in through their northern border. I can see some major terrorist attacks on aussie shores within the next 2 years.
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"what do you think of it?"
sounds like a good place for the masses that were left homeless in the US by hurricane Katrina. Most of whom I bet have only been able to dream of owning a homestead!
hmmmm. Louisanasia!
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"To kill a Musilm is not murder...it is the path to heaven"....some loco monk on the Road to Messina in KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Oh, I've known about the problem in Indonesia for a while.
Don't forget Thailand and the Tamil tigers. They have killed many people in the last 18 months.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Don't forget Thailand and the Tamil tigers. They have killed many people in the last 18 months.
Errmm tamil tigers aren't muslim's, "technically" they're buddhists.
The Thai one is a bit of a worry, however Thailand is a buddhist country, with no notion of giving in to the muslim extremists. Whereas Indonesia seems to be sympathetic to their extremist minority.
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All too aware of it:
We have, for starters, devoted massive new resources to counterterrorism. At its peak, we had well over half of our 11,000 Agents devoted to the investigation. Over the past six months, several hundred of those Agents have been sent overseas at various times, including to Singapore and Malaysia. The initial shift in resources has abated somewhat, but over the longer term, we essentially plan to double the number of Agents we have dedicated to investigating terrorism.
source: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/sinagpore31502.htm
Other FBI warnings to Indonesia:
http://www.worldtravelwatch.com/archives/2005/10/indonesia-bali-bombings-show-terrorists-still-a-threat.shtml
Other Bali terrorism articles:
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/bali.htm
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[whisper mode]The Tamil Tigers are from Sri Lanka.[/whisper mode]
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This is so simple.
Have the UN go in, and give all these misunderstood extremist Muslims sensitivity training, and then Australia and all the rest of the Pac rim countries should just try and be more tolerant.
See you just need the UN to come fix this. They can fix anything
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:D
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[shelookslikemywhiteneighborsoitmusthavebeenplantedonhercarryonbagjustlikealltheotheraustraliansinasianprisonsforheroinandampheteminesmugglingandpossession]
planting drugs on unsuspecting tourists
[/shelookslikemywhiteneighborsoitmusthavebeenplantedonhercarryonbagjustlikealltheotheraustraliansinasianprisonsforheroinandampheteminesmugglingandpossession]
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
[whisper mode]The Tamil Tigers are from Sri Lanka.[/whisper mode]
you are correct, my bad it is Sir lanka
Originally posted by Vulcan
Errmm tamil tigers aren't muslim's, "technically" they're buddhists.
I seem to have my facts completley wrong on theses guys.
No they are not Muslims, they are mainly Hindu.
one thing that is correct.
The Tigers have used over 200 suicide bombings against Buddhist and pretty much invented the Bomber Jacket (http://www.terrorismanswers.org/groups/tamiltigers.html)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Indonesia?
Things are starting to warm up with extremists over there. Just recently theres been more bombings, 3 Christian school girls were beheaded (age 16-19), and the people responsible for the Bali bombings have been getting time off their sentences under the pretence of some muslim holiday.
If Indonesia slips over into the extremist state, which is the way things are heading, we'll see a nation with 3 x as many muslims as Iran on the doorstep of Australia. Australia and Indonesia have always had "tense" relations, and the USA is a defence "partner" with the Aussies.
Are you guys (US) aware of this emerging threat and what do you think of it?
Huh.. its nothing new... they had sort of civil war with Aceh rebels for quite a long time.
Tsunami caused pause in conflict and since tsunami, media are more focused on conflict.
here is timeline
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/country_profiles/1260546.stm
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first posted by Rolex
she-looks-like-my-white-neighbor-so-it-must-have-been-planted-on-her-carry-on-bag-just-like-all-the-other-australians-in-asian-prisons-for-heroin-and-amphetemine-smuggling-and-possession
You just like "women in prison" movies...
(http://www.prisonwall.org/postcard/pictures/vandoren.jpg)
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women in prison movies, especially them there foreign ones
:aok :aok
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soon to be posted by Lada
(http://drdigits.home.comcast.net/BaghdadBob.JPG)
This is a missportrayal of muslims by the western media. You see I found one news source that says it like it is......that's right just one and it said these people are not muslims let alone extremests. No they simply fight for freedom. These girls were not beheaded out of spite they were executed in accordence with muslim.....err I mean regional law. After all they are not muslims at all. We all know it's putin and booshes fault.
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damn
so many 2-front threats, one from "sleeping giant China" and the "Islama-fascists". The world is dooomed! :cry :furious :noid
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I lived in Indonesia for a number of years in the early 90's.
I would say that despite the country's best efforts the place is really a bunch of seperate islands with very different cultures and beliefs. In some parts they are very muslim and in other parts not at all.
The government had this stupid transmigration program where they moved people from overcrowded Java to all over the archipeligo to try to give poor people land and spread the religion around and also protect the Javanese government power base by spreading out people who would support it.
Now you have pockets of people from Java in places that the local people hate them and the potential for conflict is high. Things like that school girl killing happen and if it were not for the army the local non muslim population would wipe some of the transmigration towns off the map.
I would say the chances of the whole place becoming another Iran is very remote. If it started to become extremist it would probably decend into a civil war.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You just like "women in prison" movies...
(http://www.prisonwall.org/postcard/pictures/vandoren.jpg)
FOTFFL!! Comedy Gold, Holden...
"No Spitting".. "Sleep in your OWN Bed..."
Teen movies sure have come a long way in 50 years. :)
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"You just like 'women in prison' movies..."
I told you I like Marilyn Monroe, not women in prison movies! Unless it's Marilyn in prison, of course...
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Vulcan, back when the men were men and all the sheep in New Zealand were also, there was an old game called Harpoon II.. a real-time force simulator built over scenario baselines. One of 'em was Indonesia on a Wespac build. Ran it over three days.. All them damn islands...
You need a lotta ordanance.
;)
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Habu, what would your guess be as to any official reaction to the killing of those girls? Is there a reliable government capable of acting in any way to bring any sense of justice to the victims families or is it just business as usual in that part of the world?
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Originally posted by Habu
I lived in Indonesia for a number of years in the early 90's.
Blok-M, Top Gun! ;)
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Originally posted by Habu
I lived in Indonesia for a number of years in the early 90's.
I would say that despite the country's best efforts the place is really a bunch of seperate islands with very different cultures and beliefs. In some parts they are very muslim and in other parts not at all.
The government had this stupid transmigration program where they moved people from overcrowded Java to all over the archipeligo to try to give poor people land and spread the religion around and also protect the Javanese government power base by spreading out people who would support it.
Now you have pockets of people from Java in places that the local people hate them and the potential for conflict is high. Things like that school girl killing happen and if it were not for the army the local non muslim population would wipe some of the transmigration towns off the map.
I would say the chances of the whole place becoming another Iran is very remote. If it started to become extremist it would probably decend into a civil war.
I agree to some extent. What concerns me is this is the environment the extremists seem to thrive in.
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I'm pretty sure the muslims killed Christ too.
Collective guilt calls for collective punishment, I keep telling you guys that.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Habu, what would your guess be as to any official reaction to the killing of those girls? Is there a reliable government capable of acting in any way to bring any sense of justice to the victims families or is it just business as usual in that part of the world?
I have not heard of that particular incident but when I was there the local army commander would have found out who did it and rounded them up pretty quickly. The government would have deployed some extra troops in the area as well as a show of force.
Things like that are not tollerated. The government knows that if they do nothing then the local people will take things into their own hands. I had great respect for the Indonesian military when I was there. They managed to keep things under control and were more or less not corrupt.
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I thought that those killings were from a while ago but it seems they just happened. I found this in The Jakarta Post which is a pretty good english language newspaper. Looks like they are trying to find out who did it. When I was there things like that were solved quickly as the country had a system where you had to register with the local government when you moved into the area. So it was hard to be somewhere and not have the local officials know all about you. Also Indonesians (everywhere in the country) are very nosey and want to know all about their neighbors and they like to gossip alot.
I am sure someone will provide information eventually. They may be afraid of the killers and are waiting to see if the police catch them first.
Scant progress in schoolgirl beheadings probe: Police
JAKARTA (Agencies): Police on Indonesia's Sulawesi island said Tuesday they had made scant progress in their investigation into the beheading murders of three Christian schoolgirls in the religiously-divided district of Poso.
Police and forensic experts have combed the scene of Saturday's killings but few clues have emerged, said Poso police chief Muhammad Soleh Hidayat.
"We haven't found any meaningful leads so far because we have had difficulty finding witnesses," Hidayat told AFP.
He said the only witness, a girl who survived the attack with injuries, was being treated in hospital in Palu, the capital of Central Sulawesi province, and was not well enough to be questioned.
"She's badly injured. Our first priority is to save her life. It would be inhuman to insist on questioning her," he said.
Machete-wielding attackers ambushed the high school students on their way home, killing three and wounding the fourth, police said. Two of the victims' heads were found near a police post while the third was discovered outside a Christian church.
Capt. Idham Mahdi, Poso's chief detective, told AP it was too early to say who was behind the killings - though suspicion has fallen on Islamic militants seeking to destabilize the region.
Four dozen detectives and forensic experts were trying to reenact the events leading up to the crime, he said.
Sniffer dogs led them to the rugged hills overlooking the cocoa plantation where the teenagers were murdered while walking to their Christian high school, just outside of Poso.
"We believe the perpetrators may have been watching the girls from the hill before they attacked them," said Mahdi, adding that authorities also found a backpack that allegedly belonged to the assailants. It contained only a key chain.
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono condemned the killings and Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday deplored what he described as "barbaric murder."
About 400 police and 600 troops have been sent Poso amid fears that the killings would reignite widespread religious violence which killed more than 1,000 people between 2000 and 2001 in the area.
The government brokered a peace deal in December 2001 but intermittent violence has continued.
Police on Monday warned of further possible attacks to coincide with Idul Fitri, Indonesia's biggest holiday marking the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadhan, which falls on Thursday.
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Originally posted by Curval
"To kill a Musilm is not murder...it is the path to heaven"....some loco monk on the Road to Messina in KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
Just watched that movie for the first time this past weekend on DVD.
Good Flick.
Loco monk? Perhaps not so at the time.
Same mindset they use on us today
"How much is Jeruselam worth?"
"Nothing........Everything"