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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on November 02, 2005, 12:03:09 AM
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Here it is folks... Prop 73 on the California Ballot. If this thing passes, I don't want to hear any more crap about California being a liberal state.
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thanks for the link
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link (http://google.com)
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it will probably get overturned in the SC anyways as a violation of constitutional right to an abortion.
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Wasn't really my point. :)
You're right though, I think. The SC probably won't allow it... of course, the SC is changing, so who knows?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Wasn't really my point. :)
You're right though, I think. The SC probably won't allow it... of course, the SC is changing, so who knows?
yup true. If this get's passed California will have a slightly changed view in my minds eye. Most of the talk I'm hearing is that opponents to most of the props fear that people who would normaly vote against such measures are more likely to not even vote at all.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see this issue as a Republican vs. Democrat issue.
Maybe the two parties are trying to polarize it, or maybe they are just snatching up sides to try to sway unsure people in the future.
I think it's despicable for both of them.
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Other states have laws like this; if it gets voted in I bet it stands.
So what you are saying Sandy is Liberals don’t give a **** if their minor children have abortions without consent from them.
Massachusetts I am fairly sure has pretty much this law on the books already and the world didn’t end.
You sure all liberals want to give up a portion of their rights as parents?
What is so wrong with making a kid own up to her parents for making a very big mistake. Most parents are not monsters. The ones that are can be bypassed, and planned parenthood will have people who are more then willing to help girls that need a hand hold through the court system to keep abusive parents from finding out.
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It has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with the rights of parents and the rights of minors.
I have not met one parent of a girl who is either liberal or conservative who does not want to be notified if the school decides to ship their daughter off for an abortion.
If the sc is in any doubt about parents rights on this one then I am even more glad (if that is possible) that bush is picking the justices instead of kerrie.
why would anyone think this is an abortion issue?
lazs
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Who cares except those in CA? Again, some residents of CA think they are the progressive state, and we should care/pay attention to their politics....
Now excuse me while I go have a veggie burger, see my therapist, and drive my electric car.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Who cares except those in CA? Again, some residents of CA think they are the progressive state, and we should care/pay attention to their politics....
Now excuse me while I go have a veggie burger, see my therapist, and drive my electric car.
So Rip, what are you local abortion laws in regards to minors like?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So Rip, what are you local abortion laws in regards to minors like?
Speaking for Rip, I would venture a guess that minors can't be aborted post pregnancy.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Speaking for Rip, I would venture a guess that minors can't be aborted post pregnancy.
Damn shame isnt it?
Post birth abortion could be used for crimes like, tagging and wearing pants 5 sizes to big belted below your crotch. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Here it is folks... Prop 73 on the California Ballot. If this thing passes, I don't want to hear any more crap about California being a liberal state.
ok....if you say so...
If they don't think this is a good idea I think they are retarded not just liberal
here is a good link (http://noonproposition73.com/) to how it'll propably go though
see lazs, it aint about abortion or parental responsibility .. it's about "Teen Safety"!
LOL
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It's called a Retro Active Abortion.
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Sandman,
one issue does NOT determine if a state is liberal or not.
GTO, not sure what the abortion laws are here for minors, but I wouldn't doubt they're very liberal, remember, we the state where WTO riots flourished and half of California moved to in the 80's.
That said, a minor is a minor, until 18. A doctor should not be allowed to perform an abortion without parental consent if the woman is under 18 years of age.
Thank God I have two sons, I only have to worry about 2 salamanders in town, if I had a girl, I would have to worry about EVERY salamander in town.
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I'll change my mind about Californias liberalhoodedness when I can legally buy an AR-15 in state... :)
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So they are minors for abortions until 18?
but are considered minors for drinking untill 21.
and are adults when they commit a crime at 9,
wonderfull system we have...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
if they are old enough to be an adult and get charged with a crime at 9-12, i see no reason to tell the parrents about the Abortion when they are old enough to have sex.....
I mean they are adult enough right...
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Wecan have an ounce of marijuana in Denver now!!! Except for that state law against it....and the federal law.....
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The Field Poll is the standard (http://field.com/fieldpoll/propositions.html) on Cali politics.
Here's what it says on 73, 78 and 79. (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2175.pdf)
Here's 74-77, and 80 (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2174.pdf).
Safe bet? They're all going down.
Will be interesting.
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Originally posted by Trell
So they are minors for abortions until 18?
but are considered minors for drinking untill 21.
and are adults when they commit a crime at 9,
wonderfull system we have...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
if they are old enough to be an adult and get charged with a crime at 9-12, i see no reason to tell the parrents about the Abortion when they are old enough to have sex.....
I mean they are adult enough right...
Only in cases where the offender commits an atrocious murder are they tried as an adult, and the reason is for the safety of society. You might get 1 or 2 kids a year that fall under this circumstance, yet you get millions that may have an abortion without adult consent...just saying.
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Originally posted by Nash
The Field Poll is the standard (http://field.com/fieldpoll/propositions.html) on Cali politics.
Here's what it says on 73, 78 and 79. (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2175.pdf)
Here's 74-77, and 80 (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2174.pdf).
Safe bet? They're all going down.
Will be interesting.
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so sandie... by your logic... anyone who votes no on 73 is a liberal? (we all knew it anyway..yer in the closet for nuthin)
lazs
sandie the commie said...."Prop 73 on the California Ballot. If this thing passes, I don't want to hear any more crap about California being a liberal state."
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Yawn. This "commie" thing is tiresome at best. You need a new tune to squawk to.
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Pinko!
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well... sandie... you claim to not be a liberal but every view you have on this board is a liberal one. maybe you have other views on other things but you only give the liberal ones here... not only that but...
you seem ashamed of em... we have to drag it out of you. You would rather dismiss any arguement with some lefty soundbite but when pressed... get angry and defensive like.... well... nash.
I probly goad MT more than you and he doesn't get mad and... he has no compunction about explaining his views (even tho it makes him look weak and effeminate and socialist).
If you have no faith in your views... son't get into the thread.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Who cares except those in CA? Again, some residents of CA think they are the progressive state, and we should care/pay attention to their politics....
Holy ****. Rip, is that you? For a second, I thought I typed that. I'm frightened, somebody hold me!
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Originally posted by Nash
The Field Poll is the standard (http://field.com/fieldpoll/propositions.html) on Cali politics.
Here's what it says on 73, 78 and 79. (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2175.pdf)
Here's 74-77, and 80 (http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2174.pdf).
Safe bet? They're all going down.
Will be interesting.
Have you EVER been right when it comes to our voting?:rofl
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Lots of times. Wrong lots too. I'll probably be wrong here as well.
It's just fun to play... and I'm throwin' out my 2 cents just like everyone else. Big deal.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... sandie... you claim to not be a liberal but every view you have on this board is a liberal one. maybe you have other views on other things but you only give the liberal ones here... not only that but...
you seem ashamed of em... we have to drag it out of you. You would rather dismiss any arguement with some lefty soundbite but when pressed... get angry and defensive like.... well... nash.
I probly goad MT more than you and he doesn't get mad and... he has no compunction about explaining his views (even tho it makes him look weak and effeminate and socialist).
If you have no faith in your views... son't get into the thread.
lazs
As I've said before. You tell me what my views are and I'll tell you if you're right.
As for my being liberal. In general, I am, but I don't consider myself to be all that extreme. I know plenty of people with views to the left of mine.
Most of your arguments contain some sort of strawman. I don't consider it defensive or angry if I simply ignore them.
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Sandy, not sure if you have daughters or not...but if you did, under age, do you think they should have parent consent before killin...er, having an abortion?
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Originally posted by Sandman
As I've said before. You tell me what my views are and I'll tell you if you're right.
As for my being liberal. In general, I am, but I don't consider myself to be all that extreme. I know plenty of people with views to the left of mine.
Most of your arguments contain some sort of strawman. I don't consider it defensive or angry if I simply ignore them.
Sand - it's a no win.
Lazs needs to box things in, then hurl his own special brand of repetitiveness at it.
Ya'd need to be blind not to see that he's started to dial in on you. Not just this thread....
The thing about him is... He needs something billboard-sized - his aim is that shoddy.
So he's giving you a choice:
1) Become his cartoon, and let him fire away, or....
2) Refuse it, and let him fire away.
I certainly don't have the restraint, but you're a better man than me.
Tell him to go pound sand.
Here's an example how:
lazs: "sandie the commie said..." (a few posts up)
Sandman: Screw you dip**** (in a perfect world)
That's all.
Personally? I ignore lazs now.... I reckon I've pretty much heard the same two things repeated enough times for one lifetime. But he's calling you out now. Hilarious. Like that new kid that always had to prove himself by pickin' a fight with everyone. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that I like your style better.
Let him throw the same flailing combinations into thin air, maybe. Either way, it's a joke. Up to you, not him.
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"We only come out at night, the days are much too bright
We only come out at night
And once again, you'll pretend to know me well, my friends
And once again, I'll pretend to know the way
Through the empty space
Through the secret places of the heart
We only come out at night, the days are much too bright
We only come out at night"
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nash... typical... you don't see things as they are... only how you want them to be. You are also lazy.
sandie said many posts and weeks back that he was not a liberal. He pretty much challenged me to prove that he was... he tried to pass himself off as some kinda moderate/libertarian combo with common sense thrown in.. This is pretty much every liberals stance that I have ever seen.... few wished to be seen as extreme liberals.
What bothered me was that sandie didn't sit back and keep quiet or... make "moderate" noises or.... even explain his views....
He sniped... he sniped with pithy comments that could be passed off as "I am really a moderate making fun of an extreme" course... only the right got hit with his version of pithy.
anyhow... he challenged me to prove he was a liberal... In my opinion... that meant that he challenged me to make him admit that he was one.
"As for my being liberal. In general, I am, but I don't consider myself to be all that extreme. I know plenty of people with views to the left of mine."
lazs
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and nash said...
"So he's giving you a choice:
1) Become his cartoon, and let him fire away, or....
2) Refuse it, and let him fire away."
there is actually a third choice that seems to have completely slipped under your radar...
3) Don't say stupid things that aren't well thought out and you won't give him any ammunition.
It is not you or sandie I am attacking... it is your idiotic viewpoints.
It is not even your views that really bother me... it is that... if they had any chance of happening... it would make my life worse... your ideal world depends soley on making mine worse. In that respect... you are the ones attacking me.
To me... liberals are a virus.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
nash... typical... you don't see things as they are... only how you want them to be. You are also lazy.
sandie said many posts and weeks back that he was not a liberal. He pretty much challenged me to prove that he was... he tried to pass himself off as some kinda moderate/libertarian combo with common sense thrown in.. This is pretty much every liberals stance that I have ever seen.... few wished to be seen as extreme liberals.
What bothered me was that sandie didn't sit back and keep quiet or... make "moderate" noises or.... even explain his views....
He sniped... he sniped with pithy comments that could be passed off as "I am really a moderate making fun of an extreme" course... only the right got hit with his version of pithy.
anyhow... he challenged me to prove he was a liberal... In my opinion... that meant that he challenged me to make him admit that he was one.
"As for my being liberal. In general, I am, but I don't consider myself to be all that extreme. I know plenty of people with views to the left of mine."
lazs
Actually... I don't think I ever claimed to not be a liberal. I stated that I was not an extreme liberal and that you don't know what my views are. I still don't believe you do. Twice I've asked you to tell me what you think they are and still nothing.
As for your own politics, I get the impression that they boil down to just one single topic and it's guns. You'll drink the rest of the conservative koolaid if they let you keep your toys.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is not you or sandie I am attacking... it is your idiotic viewpoints.
It is not even your views that really bother me... it is that... if they had any chance of happening... it would make my life worse... your ideal world depends soley on making mine worse. In that respect... you are the ones attacking me.
lazs
That's actually pretty funny lazs:
"It's not this I'm attacking - it's that. Er wait, it's not that, it's something else. Erhm, it's not even that. Uhm. I don't know - just don't take my toys away."
Sandman nailed it.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, Lazs!
A 60 year-old 3 year-old.
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hmm... the rest of the conservative koolaid? please give me an example.
nash... what's the matter? can't understand what I say or... can't refute it? probly both. My views, right or wrong are out there... I will admit that nash is less of a wussie about getting his out there than sandie but...
nash snipes and runs too. If you buy his quip or soundbite he is fine... if you nail him down on it he runs away.
Oh well... at least we got sandie to cop to being a liberal. "extreme liberal"? hell.. to most people liberal is the defenition of extreme. "extreme liberal" is like "super jumbo".
lazs
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Blah blah blah ad hominem blah blah blah non sequitur blah blah blah blah blah
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So who behaves like a 3-year old again?
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Originally posted by lazs2
I probly goad MT more than you and he doesn't get mad and... he has no compunction about explaining his views (even tho it makes him look weak and effeminate and socialist).
lazs
I only put up with it cause I know that if we met i could kick you in the bellybutton and out run you easily..
:cool:
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parental notification? How many 12-17 year olds go to the doctor on their own without parental consent.
http://www.voterguide.ss.ca.gov/prop73/title_summary.shtml
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dear mr and mrs clueless, your slutty daughter has gotten herself pregnant. This letter was meant to simply inform you. Have a nice day.
:lol
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1) we need more abortions.....have you looked at these people?
I saw this chik...dragging a orange cone under her car..kackling on cell phone going thru intersection
2) Liberalism is a mental disorder
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sandie.. just to make nash happy I would counter your "blah blah" arguement with a strawman one but I don't know what a strawman arguement is.
lazs
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mt said
"I only put up with it cause I know that if we met i could kick you in the bellybutton and out run you easily.."
well... well... ah... blah blah blah blah!
and maybe a little more blah blah blah ad homi... add homey... ad hom whatever and then some more blah blah blah...
had enough?
lazs
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OK.... now your just asking for it!
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Originally posted by Sandman
You'll drink the rest of the conservative koolaid if they let you keep your toys.
Today we are having Dark cherry.....mmmm....my favorite. ;)
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and that goes for the "little woman" (I know she likes being called that) too..
At least you don't drive an xterran or whatever that thing is. And you realize that even if abortions were mandatory..
old liberals with xterrans wouldn't get laid by young chicks.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sandy, not sure if you have daughters or not...but if you did, under age, do you think they should have parent consent before killin...er, having an abortion?
The question isn't really relevant to the topic. The proposition does not address the issue of consent. It is about notification only.
In 1953, a state law was enacted that allowed minors to receive, without parental consent or notification, the same types of medical care for a pregnancy that are available to an adult. Based on this law and later legal developments related to abortion, minors were able to obtain abortions without parental consent or notification.
In other words, a teenager is also free to receive neo-natal care without the prior consent of an adult.
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Hi All,
I hope I won't get in trouble for interrupting the scintilating Laz, Sandman, Nash, "you are, no you are" debate. If so, please forgive me, and feel free to ignore the following.
In a sane world, the idea that the state could take your minor daughter - as young as say 12 or 13 - away for an invasive surgery without informing you wouldn't even be debatable. In most school systems, parental consent is required before your daughter can even receive an aspirin for a headache, or use the asthma inhaler prescribed to her with your consent by the family doctor. And yet we are expected to live with and be content that in most states your daughter can opt for and then go through a procedure that can and does sometimes lead to the death of the mother, infection, infertility, cervical incompetence, and which will have profound spiritual and psychological consequences. And this at a time when states concur that she has not reached a sufficient level of maturity to make most major life decisions or even take care of herself.
Additionally, most parents search long and hard to find the best medical care that they can afford for their children, and yet in this case, your daughter can be operated on by a doctor you wouldn't trust the family dog with, without your even being consulted as to where you would prefer she be treated.
Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment, and insert any other kind of invasive surgery. Would you be content for a moment with the idea that your 14 year old daughter could inform a school counselor that she had decided to have her tonsils removed, and they facilitate the procedure from start to finish without your ever being informed?
Aside from that, how would you react, if as a mother in Virginia shared with me several years ago, you were contacted one afternoon by a hospital to let you know that your daughter was not at cheerleading practice, she was in the ICU ward of a hospital because her uterus had been perforated by a doctor you'd never even met during a procedure you knew nothing of, and that she'd just undergone an emergency hysterectomy and was currently suffering from acute peritonitis and barely clinging to life? Would you really hang up the phone with a warm feeling thinking. "Wow! I'm so glad that the people from NOW and PAW are doing such an excellent job of protecting my minor daughter's "right to choose abortion" free from even the potential for interference from her stupid and extraneous parents."
- SEAGOON
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An excellent post. You are presenting a common sense and rational thinking, but you forget one thing. You said:
"Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment"...
... well, we can't. An abortion is so important to the lefties, that they'll abandon everything and anything to preserve it. Common sense and rational thinking are the first casualties.
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seagoon... We are saying the same thing... you are just more... "diplomatic"
He called you a retard sandie.
lazs
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Isn't it possible that if the girl with the perforated uterus had been able to go to a reputable doctor instead of trying to sneak around she would have gotten the medical care she needed and might have come through the abortion without a problem?
Sounds like a great argument against 73.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Isn't it possible that if the girl with the perforated uterus had been able to go to a reputable doctor instead of trying to sneak around she would have gotten the medical care she needed and might have come through the abortion without a problem?
Sounds like a great argument against 73.
Who said she needed to sneak around? The state prolly has laws just like Californias current one.
You have some inside knowledge on the girl Seagoon is talking about, cause when I read it my take was it was just another ****up by a incompetent Doctor?
They do have those you know.
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MT... seagoon called you a poo poo head.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
MT... seagoon called you a poo poo head.
lazs
Troublemaker.
at least the voters of California showed a little sense. Not much, just a little.
We seem to be right about the socail issues and still want our state run by the labor unions...
Maybe Missouri would be a nice place to live.
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Originally posted by mietla
An excellent post. You are presenting a common sense and rational thinking, but you forget one thing. You said:
"Gentlemen, let us remove the issue of abortion from the discussion for a moment"...
... well, we can't. An abortion is so important to the lefties, that they'll abandon everything and anything to preserve it. Common sense and rational thinking are the first casualties.
what if it wasn't about abortion. The left will have you beleive they are not PRO abortion but merely PRO choice. Since when do childeren get to choose what's best for them? They don't, not until they are 18. This truely is about parents rights.
What if your 13 year old daughter wanted to get a nose job, or breast augmentation (and it does happen in california that young) Would you really give her the right to choose to alter her face and appearance PERMANENTLY. What about tatoos, kids think they're great and usually regret them as adults. Should we abolish the tatoo age (18 years old) because we don't want our kids doing it themselves and getting prison type tats?
BTW, I can't find anything in the news, did this measure pass or fail?
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Well I guess the parents of this state would rather stick their heads in the sand and let their kids have abortions without them knowing.
Hey if you don't know your kid is sleeping with half the JV football team she is still a good kid right?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
BTW, I can't find anything in the news, did this measure pass or fail?
All eight measures failed. source (http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=18531&repository=0001_article)
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Originally posted by Sandman
All eight measures failed. source (http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=18531&repository=0001_article)
well I guess this truly is a liberal state. Congrats :aok
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So Sandy you argee this is a liberal state then?:D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So Sandy you argee this is a liberal state then?:D
It would appear so. Now get with the program or get the hell out. ;)
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Hi All,
Proposition 73 failed (with all 8 of the other propositions on the ballot) but by the slimmest margin of all of them.
MT, respectfully, your logic doesn't follow. The child in question got an abortion in a state that did not have a parental notification law. She told a school counselor, and the counselor facilitated the entire process, including telling her how to lie to her mother about what was going on, and getting a ride for her to and from the clinic. No one from the school or social services informed the mother. In fact, when she collapsed at school later that week, the counselor, school nurse, and administration still didn't inform the mother on the grounds it might be related to the abortion she had received. The hospital informed the mom when it became life-threatening. The mother in question was single and working a day job at the time, she was not a Christian at that point.
Her child took advantage of the law, specifically because she believed her mother would be disappointed and angry because she had gotten pregnant with her daughter as a teen herself and never made it to college and had lamented that fact and kept stressing "don't make the same mistake I did." The no notification law makes this kind of awful sneaking around possible, and this is just one example of thousands of similar abortions every year. My wife and I went to school with a girl who had 6 abortions by her senior year without her parents ever knowing. Each abortion carries a significant risk, and incrementally reduces your chances of not being able to successfully carry a child to term.
Ultimately, as has been pointed out, the anti-parental consent measures are part of the erosion of parental rights, and the expansion of state control over every sphere of life. Who do you think ultimately cares more about the welfare of our daughters? The state? Politicians? Bureaucrats? Abortionists? NOW? No, my friend, parents care the most about their children, and they are the people who must be carved out of this decision in order to maintain a social and political agenda that has no use for them in the long run.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Sandman
It would appear so. Now get with the program or get the hell out. ;)
Yeah I guess so, can I borrow your bucket of sand for my head tell I can find my own?:D
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Originally posted by Sandman
It would appear so. Now get with the program or get the hell out. ;)
March 15th Sandy, I'll smile when I watch this place disappear in my rear view mirror.
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Originally posted by Sandman
It would appear so. Now get with the program or get the hell out. ;)
The gotcha is that if I and others like me leave, who is going to feed you? You see, if I leave, I'm taking my money, my skills and my taxes with me.
Still funny?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
March 15th Sandy, I'll smile when I watch this place disappear in my rear view mirror.
In fifteen years or so, I'll be right behind you. I'm not retiring here. Too expensive.
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Originally posted by mietla
The gotcha is that if I and others like me leave, who is going to feed you? You see, if I leave, I'm taking my money, my skills and my taxes with me.
Still funny?
It sure is. I started out life as a farm boy. I don't need your skills or your taxes.
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Originally posted by Nash
Safe bet? They're all going down.
Will be interesting.
Originally posted by Mighty
Have you EVER been right when it comes to our voting? :rofl
It turns out I was right...... all eight times last night.
Ten if ya include VA and NJ (no way I was gonna bet against Bloomberg)....
So hows about them apples? Eh?
Probably the only thing you can point to me being wrong about is Kerry.
Was I wrong about WMD? Nope - you were.
Was I wrong about the eventual result in Iraq? Nope - you were.
Was I wrong about guantanamo blowing up in everyone's faces? Nope - you were.
Was I wrong about Plame being inside thuggery? Nope - you were.
Was I wrong about Bush being, well, basically retarded all along? Nope - you were.
So... Sure... I was wrong about Kerry.
But is that really all you can point to?
That one thing? Fine. I can explain that.
It was just me being optimistic. I gave folks like you more credit than was obviously due.
But being wrong 51-49 on that one doesn't exactly rock my world.... It aint gonna make me reflect on much.
But here we are, just 3/4 into the 1st year of his 2nd term - and now basically nobody but the Christopaths want that guy in there.
So really.... was I wrong about much at all? Or just ahead of my time?
That's right, kids, I am God. Bow before me.
And go take a flying you-know-what at the moon while yer at it.
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You're so unattractive when you gloat.
:cool:
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I know. :) (felt dirty typing that)
The hope is that ... I never again get the chance to gloat.
Pipe dream, I'm aware.
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Does this mean we still get to refer to California as a liberal state? :D
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Ah Nuke....
Didn't you delete a post saying to me "How can you be so out of touch with our politics?" in this very thread?
Unbelievable timing.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Does this mean we still get to refer to California as a liberal state? :D
You can either call it that, or you can refer to it as "Sandman's State".
Thank you. :D
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lol!
There ya go... :D
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ahhh yes....the democrats. The "if we can't beat them we'll indicte them crowd" Or "say enough crap loud enough and people beleive it people"
Nash you can't polish a poop. (man you can't say T U R D)
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Originally posted by Nash
Ah Nuke....
Didn't you delete a post saying to me "How can you be so out of touch with our politics?" in this very thread?
Unbelievable timing.
Did I? I remember saying that before, not sure if it was here but it could have been. Yeah, I'm a lucky bastard sometimes :D
There are certain things I know not to weigh in on in politics and one of them are state propositions. They are too unpredictable and the voters ly are mostly mind-numbingly confused about them by the time they get to the polls.
I do have some interesting rebutals to your success list though, but I didn't want to do it here and now. This is your night to shine and it is well deserved. :)
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It probly is fair to call kalifornia at this point "sandmans state" he describes himself as a moderate liberal and... most here would call him extreme liberal... most people in kalifornia do not like to consider themselves as extreme liberal either but more than 50% of them vote extreme liberal in every case as does sandman.
nash... not sure you are right on even 50% of those "truths" you tout. Most of the things you claim to be true are lefty wishful thinking. plus... you really don't have any say in what we do here anyway cause you are.....
canadian... I think that explains the inferiority complex..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It probly is fair to call kalifornia at this point "sandmans state" he describes himself as a moderate liberal and... most here would call him extreme liberal... most people in kalifornia do not like to consider themselves as extreme liberal either but more than 50% of them vote extreme liberal in every case as does sandman.
nash... not sure you are right on even 50% of those "truths" you tout. Most of the things you claim to be true are lefty wishful thinking. plus... you really don't have any say in what we do here anyway cause you are.....
canadian... I think that explains the inferiority complex..
lazs
Lazs.... yer in, what's it called?.... Sonoma County? Sanoma County? Something like that....
I'm pretty sure Dixon's in it.
It voted "No" right clean across the board.
Tell me....
How much "say in what we do here" do you have there, anyway?
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I am not in sonoma county. I am in solano. my city voted yes and portion of solono voted yes on all but the last two... by a fair margin.
comparing my portion of solano county to sonoma county is like comparing quebec with Texas. (just so that a foreigner like yourself with no understanding of the U.S. will understand)
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am not in sonoma county. I am in solano. my city voted yes and portion of solono voted yes on all but the last two... by a fair margin.
Solano voted NO to all 8 http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/48.htm
Lazs, you are darn liberal
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I thought Dixon was in Yolo?
oops.
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Lazs... just another bitter minority.
LOL.
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nope.. not yolo that is davis woodland.. I am at the extreme end of solano... many large cities are at the other end... vallejo, fairfield etc... those taxi riding loafer wearers with high crime rates all voted democrat liberal... my end didn't.
Dixon generaly votes more like a cross between colusa and yuba and sacramento. even so... I do admit that I am in the less than 50 percentile in kalifornia and my county... that is a source of pride for me. I know I got to get out of here after a few more years and take my obscene profit on my property and move to a more sensible state that is less socialist.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2"my city (so what?) voted yes and portion (so what?) of solono voted yes on all but the last two... by a fair margin. (Again, So what?).
That was supposed to be an answer to my question?
You have about as much say there as me, period.
Unless you wanna say something like: "My neighbors seem to feel the same way."
Oh wait - you do.....
"comparing my portion of solano county to sonoma county is like comparing quebec with Texas. (just so that a foreigner like yourself with no understanding of the U.S. will understand)"
lazs [/B]
Your "portion?"
Comparing your..... "portion?"
"Comparing [your] portion of Solano County" is like comparing Quebec with Texas?"
Man.... How thin do you have to dice it in order to say that in fact, you are relevant?
What.... Does your grandma agree with you, warranting a Texas/Quebec comparison, and the "you don't know anything about US politics" summary?
Your County voted NO right down the line.
Now, you coulda voted "yes", and I coulda voted "yes", and we'd still be in the same boat now, wouldn't we?