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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on November 03, 2005, 05:03:00 PM
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New screenies of the Seafire Mk IIc.
Looks nice. I like the hook deployment.
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yeah, that hook makes it look very nice!
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you can tell it is british because it has a big... never mind :D
looks great!
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wow never realised it was so big, is it an airbrake too?
im going to DA now pooface, if you flyin.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Looks nice. I like the hook deployment.
I *love* the hook deployment! Very sweet!
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Should be able to sub as a 1942 Spit VC as well, same boost and armament, just with a hook added.
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Originally posted by Squire
Should be able to sub as a 1942 Spit VC as well, same boost and armament, just with a hook added.
I agree. I was actually starting to get somewhat concerned about the Seafire Mk III and the potential negative effect it might have.
That, and the gap between the Spitfire Mk V's adoption of the universal wing and the availability in useful numbers of the Spitfire Mk IX that was left open. The Seafire Mk IIc can fill that gap as a stand in.
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So are we not getting the Seafire III? I'm confused.
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Guess not!
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Now that the SeaFire has a hook and really looks like a Royal Navy fighter i say when they do the hurricans they add a seahawk.
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Umm..where r u seeing these screenies? I dont c them ne where
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Arghhh there she is...musta been logged on b4 pics were posted (couldnt c them on homepage)
She looks beautiful except for that elephant noodle of a tailhook haha
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Try here:
http://www.hitechcreations.com
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the new "Seafire II" doesnt tell much.
If the new Seafire the "Seafire L IIc"?
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No, its the same as before, a Seafire IIC. Looks identical to the current AH Seafire.
If it was in any way different, they would have said so.
Seafire LIIC has a 4 bladed prop and a low alt Merlin, kinda the Seafire IIIs "beta version", if you will, many had clipped wings.
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Just let me start out saying I am about as far from an expert on the Spits as anyone can get.
But from all the threads about the new spits I thought that the Seafire Mk III would be a stand in for a later war Mk V?
As it stands we are getting 2 early war spits in the Seafire Mk IIc and Spitfire MkVc?
And here I thought I had at least a tiny grasp of the spits ;)
Also would they do both the MkIIc and the MkIII? Any reason for it?
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i really thought we were gonna get seafire III:huh
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They never promised a Seafire III, some sources said they were considering it, thats all.
We now have:
Seafire IIc
Spit Vb
Spit F. IX
Spit XVIe
Spit XIVe
For sure.
Last one will be a Spit IA, for 1940 no doubt, which will make 6, although I would dearly like to see a Spit VIII yet.
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were seafire II used in pacific? my memory remembers that seafire 2 only saw action @ MTO
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Strictly speaking, the Seafire IIc was used in the Atlantic, Med, and East Indies, with the Fleet Air Arm.
It was not used in the PAC, no, by 1944 the Seafire III replaced it, and the British Pacific Fleet went into action in 1945 with it over Taiwan, Okinawa, and the Japanese Home Islands.
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seafire 2 does makle a good sub for mid-war spit 5s.
i guess the *real* carrier bourne seafires will be out of the picture in PAC setups.
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I doubt anybody will really object to using the Seafire Mk IIc in place of the Seafire Mk III for Pac setups. No biggie really.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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we might get Seafire III, keep the hopes up.
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Something still not right about the nose shape. Not sure what to say other then it just looks 'off' a bit. Spinner too small maybe....
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Easy whats not right -
It doesn't have a 55M Merlin, Ord or DT capabilities.
Sorry Karnak - Theres a world of difference between a IIc and a III as you very well know, so yes I object.
Basically you substitute a 1943 plane with a 1942 plane, and you were calling me 'nit picking' over 4 months on the D9.
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On Seafire IIc specs
Weight ~ 7145 lb
Range ~ (need info)
max speed (clean) ~ 342 mph TAS @ 20,700 ft
initial rate of climb ~ 2,345 ft/per min
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Originally posted by 1K3
On Seafire IIc specs
Weight ~ 7145 lb
Range ~ (need info)
max speed (clean) ~ 342 mph TAS @ 20,700 ft
initial rate of climb ~ 2,345 ft/per min
LOL
Just take up the seafire we have now ;)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Something still not right about the nose shape. Not sure what to say other then it just looks 'off' a bit. Spinner too small maybe....
It looks a little too square and the oil tank under the nose perhaps not as evenly rounded as it ought to be. It is hard to tell from static images. If we could rotate the camera around it we would be able to see if it is just the angle or if there is something off.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
LOL
Just take up the seafire we have now ;)
Yeah... While it lasts:p
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Originally posted by Karnak
It looks a little too square and the oil tank under the nose perhaps not as evenly rounded as it ought to be. It is hard to tell from static images. If we could rotate the camera around it we would be able to see if it is just the angle or if there is something off.
Underside of the nose is almost square. It's not that smooth curve it should be. Spinner looks too small for it too after looking at them again.
Oh well, it'll have to do the job :)
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Originally posted by Klum25th
Now that the SeaFire has a hook and really looks like a Royal Navy fighter i say when they do the hurricans they add a seahawk.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Please! Im all for that thought!
:)
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Hrm... I don't think you cna use the hook for an air brake. It doesn't have the structure to withstand a lot of force, nor the hydraulics to keep it extended. It's probably electrically operated with small servos (which means it won't come out til gear can)
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The color 'tones' look a bit strange to me, it might just be this monitor though...
The IIc is a good choice and as Squire said it can stand in for a an Aug '42 Spit Vc w / 16lb boost. With the '41 Spit Vb @ 12 lbs being added the Seafire IIc is not only a good choice for a carrier / navy aircraft, folks who currently prefer the current Spit V will feel real comfortable in it.
Now all we need to see it the LF.VIII...
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Originally posted by 1K3
On Seafire IIc specs
Weight ~ 7145 lb
Range ~ (need info)
max speed (clean) ~ 342 mph TAS @ 20,700 ft
initial rate of climb ~ 2,345 ft/per min
Depends on the engine and boost settings. About a third of the way through Seafire Mk IIc production they changed engines, and then retrofitted the already produced Seafire Mk IIcs with the newer engine. I am not sure what the boost ratings were or when the boost ratings may have been raised.
The specs you posted look to be for the lowest boost version with the earlier engine.
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Which engine will new Seafire have, 45, 46, 50 or 55?
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Which engine will new Seafire have, 45, 46, 50 or 55?
Who knows? Pyro, but maybe no one else.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Depends on the engine and boost settings. About a third of the way through Seafire Mk IIc production they changed engines, and then retrofitted the already produced Seafire Mk IIcs with the newer engine. I am not sure what the boost ratings were or when the boost ratings may have been raised.
The specs you posted look to be for the lowest boost version with the earlier engine.
the engine used in that spec is the merlin 46
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L IIc with a Merlin 32 fitted Nov 1942 (all Seafire IIc eventually converted to Merlin 32) would be nice.
At least it would help mitigate the disappointment, and be an excellent stand-in for an 1942/3 LF Vc.
Would also give it ord/drop tank options. Single 500lb egg or 500gal DT.
Karnak/1K3 - The Merlin 32 is the one you are thinking of.
Don't believe the IIc ever used either a 55 or 55M, strictly III's.
Skuzzy- you were incorrect
a) Seafire III is a late 1943 not 1944 aircraft.
b) It seen limited use Europe as well as the Far East.
Seafire L IIc
Wing - Universal, same as Vc (only ever fitted with 2x20 and 4x303) + ord/dt options.
Engine - Merlin 32, boost 18lbs, 1640hp
Max Speed - 339.5mph @ 5,100ft
Weight - 6995lbs
Initial ROC - 4680 fpm
In reality it became the only version of the Seafire IIc once the orignal 1/3 were retrofitted with the Merlin 32.
Too much to hope for?
Breakdown-
First 166 fitted with Merlin 46
Remainder fitted with Merlin 32
All first 166 retrofitted with Merlin 32
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IIRC L IIC with 32 engine is early 43 plane, not 42. And they came with clipped wings.
Pyro's model looks like Seafire F IIC, so I doubt we'll get 32 engine.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Which engine will new Seafire have, 45, 46, 50 or 55?
all of them!
neeeeeeeeeowwwwwwwwwwwww!!
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Yep looks really nice great work!
Now when do we see it in the MA I know I know two weeks.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
IIRC L IIC with 32 engine is early 43 plane, not 42. And they came with clipped wings.
Pyro's model looks like Seafire F IIC, so I doubt we'll get 32 engine.
First Seafire IIc fitted with Merlin 32 Nov 1942.
Clipped wings - read of clipped wing trials, but never operational use of clipped wing Seafires. 'L' tag does not signify clipped wings, rather the operational heights the engine is most suited for.
Basically we get either -
the rarest type of the rarest Seafire - IIc with Merlin 46
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commonest type of the rarest Seafire - L IIc with the Merlin 32.
F IIc / L IIc - only difference was basically the engine fitted. Would require minor change from 3 to 4 blade prop, no biggie.
Started new topic in Aircraft and Vehicles to discuss, please post on this subject there.
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I wonder if that manley tailhook can work as an airbrake?
:eek:
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Heard if you fly low enough and drop it, a Marlin or two can be brought home for dinner.
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Originally posted by Grits
So are we not getting the Seafire III? I'm confused.
Why would you be even remotely interested, Grits?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Why would you be even remotely interested, Grits?
- oldman
Good question. I cant keep all these different (but to me nearly the same) Spits apart.
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Originally posted by Grits
Good question. I cant keep all these different (but to me nearly the same) Spits apart.
LOL only to the "uninitiated". (initiation is cheap, but stings a little ;0 )
Look for - pointy tails, hooks, symmetrical rads under the wings etc, easy to tell once you know what to look for.
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Well, I didn't see anyone else do it in this thread because they were all fascinated with the hook I guess, so I will..
Greebo, thats one of the finest looking skins I've ever seen, You almost believe you could reach into the monitor and grab it.
Great work!
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Ya..Greebo does great works..:aok