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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: indy007 on November 04, 2005, 09:13:03 AM
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link (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a11,00.html)
Man, I thought socialism was touted as equality and compassion.. I geuss it is... as long as there's nothing wrong with you.
A fourth generation Kiwi has renounced her citizenship after a year-long battle with the Immigration Service over getting residency for her husband of 32 years.
Mari McGuire says she is ashamed to be a Kiwi.
McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 - and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system. McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of Destruction, has a pacemaker.
The couple's $1 million-plus home - built on the Whangaparaoa Peninsula north of Auckland 18 months ago - goes up for auction today. They will return to California.
The issue of health screening for immigrants was highlighted last week by a Sunday Star-Times article which revealed a deaf South African girl, allegedly killed by her father, had also been classified a possible burden on the state.
The Immigration Service is introducing tougher health screening for migrants aimed at weeding out those with TB and HIV, but also anyone who could be a burden on the state, including children with developmental delays and people with dementia.
McGuire, whose two adult children have New Zealand citizenship, said he felt for the South African family.
"What they (immigration) are doing is playing games with people's lives. Why didn't they tell the family before they got here they might not be able to stay? They don't give a fig about people, it's all politics and money."
McGuire has been a permanent resident in New Zealand before - he and Mari lived here for six years in the 1980s. He says his pacemaker corrects a faulty nerve and his heart is otherwise in good shape.
"They (the government) are quite happy to tax my worldwide income, including royalties from 40 years ago, but they don't want me to have access to the health system.
"I'm certainly not going to be a financial burden on this country. I've poured a ton of finances into this country and I've contributed a lot."
McGuire said although he did not have a full-time job, he continued to play music and had entertained about 20,000 New Zealand school children.
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters, a fan of McGuire's music, had promised to help McGuire obtain re-entry visas so he could continue to visit. Peters said it was too late now, but he believed McGuire could have mounted a strong case for residency based on his continuing royalty payments.
Immigration spokeswoman Mary Anne Thompson said health screening of immigrants was a fine balance between what a person contributed to society and what they cost. She said research showed visitors spent around $6.5 billion a year in New Zealand, but also sucked about $24 million a year out of the health system.
She said a guideline had been established under which somebody who was likely to cost the health system $25,000 or more over four years would probably be rejected. Doctors, not the department, assessed a person's health requirements, and cumulative health problems were the most likely impediments.
"You could be obese and be fine, but you could also be obese and have high blood pressure and palpitations which altogether means you probably do have a problem. That would be a higher level of unacceptable risk."
Where disabled children's parents were working and paying taxes, the cost of the dependants was weighed against the family's "positive contribution". Waivers could be applied for. The very sick, including those in end-stage renal failure or needing a heart transplant, would be excluded.
In last week's text poll, "should disabled people be barred from immigrating to NZ", 59.5 per cent said yes, 40.5 per cent no.
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Ahhh, government in action. Guy can afford to build a home that cost over a million bucks, but he passed that magical $25,000 in four year health cost barrier so was dismissed.
Welcome back to the U.S., buddy, where you'll get more of the same mind-numbing stupidity. There is no escape!
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I see nothing wrong with screening immigrants based on what they will contribute and the burdons they could impose
In McGuire's case it seems like they got it wrong, but the policy seems pretty good.
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It's alot harder to migrate to Aus than NZ, and immigrants that start out as a burden almost never get in..and I bet its the same in plenty of places
Tronsky
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Originally posted by SOB
Ahhh, government in action. Guy can afford to build a home that cost over a million bucks, but he passed that magical $25,000 in four year health cost barrier so was dismissed.
Welcome back to the U.S., buddy, where you'll get more of the same mind-numbing stupidity. There is no escape!
(http://wwp.new-york-usa.com/tourist-attractions/statue-of-liberty/statue-of-liberty.JPG)
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
She doesn't mention anything about sick people. Send 'em back to their own country. :)
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We recently had a cruise ship passenger from the UK develop a brain anyurism (sp?) and she had no travel insurance. The UK govt refused to pay for her to be air-ambulenced back home and she sat in the hospital here getting worse.
Eventually some rich guy here paid the $89,000 (!!!!!!!) to have the special jet take her home whereupon she promptly died.
I think the daughter is suing the UK govt over it.
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Curval, if that happened in the US, she would have been treated at any emergency room regardless of ability to pay.
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Seems like a good idea!
Close our boarders lock em down tight.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Curval, if that happened in the US, she would have been treated at any emergency room regardless of ability to pay.
Yea right. She could have checked into an emergency room. She would have been diagnosed and referred to a neurosurgeon. The neurosurgeon would have reviewed the case, including researching ability to pay. If she had no insurance or ability to pay she would have been shuffled like a deck of cards and fell through the cracks.
Reality check.
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The emergency room/ hospital would not let just let her sit there and die. Any life threatening issues are treated, even non-life threatening.
Are you saying that people brought in half dead from car accidents, heart attacks or whatever are not treated? They are.
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Some people want to socialize medicine in this country, but to an extent, it already is.
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Errr....Nuke, when I said she "sat here getting worse" I should have noted that she was actually admitted in the hospital at no cost to her. BUT we don't have the facilities to deal with her condition...ie brain surgery. For this she needed to go back to the UK or to the US. The US refused her as she had no insurance....ooops, that blows your little supremacy theory! So she had to return to the UK. I'm not sure why Canada wasn't an option but probably for the same reason the US wouldn't accept her.
A kind hearted local paid the cash for her to get on an air ambulance but unfortunately she died shortly after arriving in the UK.
Clear?
article here (http://www.theroyalgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051101/NEWS/111010179)
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Some people learn it the hard way. Don't travel without insurance.
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Sorry Curval, I didn't realise treatment wasn't available there.
If it had happened in the US, she would have been treated. We don't import people to have free medical care though.
What a lot don't seem to realise is that you cannot be refused treatment in the US, regardless of ability to pay......that's all I was saying.
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Some people learn it the hard way. Don't travel without insurance.
so true....
Others learn the hard way too...like Nuke trying to be a know-it-all.
:rofl
Okay...edit because I just saw Nuke's apology...no worries mate.
"Treatment" may be given but I'm not so sure she would have been operated on in the US. In fact this person was flat out refused by US hospitals.
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Perhap one of our northern nieghbors could correct me, but I believe that in order to imigrate to Canada you must have $100,000 in the bank, have a degree or viable trade, and be under 40. Apparently I'm not the only American that's tired of the culture of violence and rediculous politics...
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"The emergency room/ hospital would not let just let her sit there and die. Any life threatening issues are treated, even non-life threatening."
You're awfully naive regarding the nature of the health-care industry. But then, most people are. Few individuals except those who work in the industry know how horribly corrupt the industry actually is.
First of all, you aren't a person. You're a commodity, and if you don't have money, then you're worthless. People without money to pay are allowed to sit there and die every day. It's commonplace. Even the poor who do get "care" typically get service which is the absolute minimum the facility can get away with providing.
The entire subject of the health-care industry ususally falls into the "out of sight, out of mind" category. Most people think they know what it's like, but don't find out just how wrong they are until it's too late. Hospitals are horrible enough, and nursing homes are hell on earth.
J_A_B
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JAB
My brother didn't have insurance when he dislocated his hip. He went to the emergency room and waited while they called a specialist in to fix him up.
People are brought in everyday from car accidents, heart attacks, job injuries.....even non citizens, and they get treated and operated on regardless of insurance. Tell me I'm wrong.
I went to have my face stitched up a few weeks ago. I have no insurance, yet they got a docter to stitch me up, give me a subscription (prescription rather, lol) and send me on my way. My bill was $250.00, which was sent in the mail.
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"People are brought in everyday from car accidents, heart attacks, job injuries.....even non citizens, and they get treated and operated on regardless of insurance. Tell me I'm wrong."
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
Yeah, I know of poor people who were fortunate to get treatment they needed. Unfortunately I also know of people who were deliberately killed by nursing homes and hospitals because it was cheaper to kill them than treat them. I know of *lots* of people who didn't get *adequate* treatment because they couldn't afford it.
The health care industry is corrupt to a degree which makes the oil companies look like a bunch of saints by comparison. I trust Exxon more than I trust the local hospital.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by NUKE
Sorry Curval, I didn't realise treatment wasn't available there.
If it had happened in the US, she would have been treated. We don't import people to have free medical care though.
What a lot don't seem to realise is that you cannot be refused treatment in the US, regardless of ability to pay......that's all I was saying.
And once again.......yea right. That all looks really cool on the signs, but the fact is it`s BS. A condition such as the one mentioned above requires a neurosurgeon. Neurosurgeons don`t do diddly unless thier bill is guaranteed beforehand.
Community emergency rooms will treat such things as broken bones, cuts, fever, etc , etc. If it gets deep and requires you to have treatment from someone other than staff you can and most likely will be referred, shuffled and dropped through the cracks.
Another trend is community hospitals are being sold out to the Big Dogs. Go to one of them and you are SOL if you are not covered.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
And once again.......yea right. That all looks really cool on the signs, but the fact is it`s BS. A condition such as the one mentioned above requires a neurosurgeon. Neurosurgeons don`t do diddly unless thier bill is guaranteed beforehand.
Community emergency rooms will treat such things as broken bones, cuts, fever, etc , etc. If it gets deep and requires you to have treatment from someone other than staff you can and most likely will be referred, shuffled and dropped through the cracks.
Another trend is community hospitals are being sold out to the Big Dogs. Go to one of them and you are SOL if you are not covered.
Ever hear of a trauma center? You sometimes might have noticed helicopters picking up people from the road and transporting them to have life-saving surgery by specialists.
The helecopter crew doesn't check to see if anyone has insurance, they just get them to the trauma center where they are treated and lives saved if at all possible.
And the neurosurgeon gets paid by the hospital, who then bills the patient.
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Also, I have been treated for cancer under areas my insurance did not cover. I was still treated.
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Some people learn it the hard way. Don't travel without insurance.
Insurance or not, the person should been transfered to a hospital with sufficient operating capabilities.
However it would been a hefty bill for the person.
Insurance just saves you the thousands of bucks used to fix you up, it isn't and shouldn't be the right for treatment -contract.
I believe theres some sort of EU directive on this and I'm amazed if the UK govt. wins the case.
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Nuke--
What you're saying is an example of what I mean when I say people treat the industry with the "out of sight, out of mind" approach. Since you haven't had or witnessed a problem (yet), you figure there is no problem. The worst part is when you *do* have a problem, others who haven't won't care one bit about your problem because it'll still be out of sight, out of mind for them.
If you ignore everything else I say, don't ignore this: Make sure you have a living will, and one that's extremely clear about what you do and don't want done.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by NUKE
Ever hear of a trauma center? You sometimes might have noticed helicopters picking up people from the road and transporting them to have life-saving surgery by specialists.
The helecopter crew doesn't check to see if anyone has insurance, they just get them to the trauma center where they are treated and lives saved if at all possible.
And the neurosurgeon gets paid by the hospital, who then bills the patient.
You have to get on that chopper first. :)
Tell ya what. You locate a neurosurgeon that will accept me and I`ll see that you get a finders fee.
If you can you will beat what an entire staff has been trying to do for 4 to 41/2 years now.
In the meantime my condition gets worse with time.
A neurosurgeon has their own billing agency also. Completely independant of any hospital in most cases.. In the words of my doctor..."The majority of neurosurgeons are Aholes. They won`t every i dotted, every T crossed for them so that they enter the operating room without the preliminary hassles."
Like I said, it all looks really cool and impressive on the signs and on paper, but when it comes down to reality , it`s BS.
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Jackal, sorry to hear about your health problem. What exactly is it that you have, if you don't mind saying.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Yea right. She could have checked into an emergency room. She would have been diagnosed and referred to a neurosurgeon. The neurosurgeon would have reviewed the case, including researching ability to pay. If she had no insurance or ability to pay she would have been shuffled like a deck of cards and fell through the cracks.
Reality check.
Damn I almost fell off my chair .....................Jackal and I agree:)
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from personal experance i have to agree with nuke, i seems they treat you first then try to collect.
had a friend change jobs ,so was temp without ins coverage, wife was preg, baby came early, $50,000 in bills, hosp and docs wrote off all 50K.
BTW kid is fine.
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WOW, I was so wrong about this thread. I figured an American criticising NZ about immigration policies would erupt into a firestorm about our Mexican/Latino problem here in the states.
For you non-yank types does the world not know about our immigration issues (IE not very puplicised)?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Jackal, sorry to hear about your health problem. What exactly is it that you have, if you don't mind saying. [/QUOT
LOL I don`t think we have that much space. :)
The most pressing started out as C-4 and 5 in my neck. Discs and vertebrae are now deteriorating. It has progressed to C-3 .C-4 .C-5. C-6 and C-7.
The whole medical fiasco started when I was exposed to hydrogen phosphide gas on the job. That put me completely down for a period of 3 or so years before I started gaining any ground healthwise. The place I worked for signed an agreement , along with the insurance company, to cover all medical expenses and proceedures for a period of 2 years. This included what had allready been suggested by my doctors. Phfffftt! The insurance company immediately started playing the stalling game by sending back any requests for coverage asking for more details, etc. This went on and on and on.
Long story short, they ran out the agrement period without doing squat. In the meantime the prob with the neck started. No insurance and of course with existing condition no one would cover me.
In the beginning I could have filed for SSI/SSA for medical coverage and would have more than likely got it. My pride got in my way, so I kept waiting. Enter another catch. The only work I could do was sort of limited due to on again/off again health probs from the gas. In other words now SSA is out due to not enough income in the required work quarters.
I certainly can`t afford a neurosurgeons fee. My doctors sort of have their hands tied as they cannot get any neurosurgeon to accept me without the fee guaranteed beforehand. They have tried various approachs to the problem, but it always stops cold when it reachs a neurosurgeon.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
WOW, I was so wrong about this thread. I figured an American criticising NZ about immigration policies would erupt into a firestorm about our Mexican/Latino problem here in the states.
For you non-yank types does the world not know about our immigration issues (IE not very puplicised)?
Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.
Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.
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Wow, everyone's freaking out at each other.
Just so you know, some Hospitals have to treat everyone.
Other hospitals have the option to choose whether or not they treat everyone.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.
Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.
Exactly right.
And it seems we are not the only ones with jumped up little Hitlers masquerading as public servants.
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A former sailor from Wanganui who joined the Royal Air Force during World War II and also fought with the RNZAF has been told he has no right to live in Britain.
Noel Bevan settled in Wearside, Sunderland, after the war, married and raised three children but has now been told by British immigration to return to his native New Zealand, the Sunderland Echo newspaper reports.
Mr Bevan married his UK sweetheart, Marjorie Dumble, in 1944, and worked until his retirement 19 years ago. Now the 84-year-old has just six weeks to prove he’s entitled to stay in the UK or face expulsion.
He was returning to Newcastle Airport after visiting his daughter in Spain when immigration officers stopped him and said he had no right to be in the UK, even though it has been his home for more than 60 years.
Faced with leaving his home at Chester Mews, Mr Bevan said: "I’m devastated. I’ve lived in Sunderland all my adult life.
"I met my wife here, raised my family here and I fought for this country - and now they say I’m not entitled to be here," he told the Sunderland Echo.
Mr Bevan was working on a British steamship during World War II when he was captured and taken on board a German supply ship, the Altmark.
More than 300 British sailors, from ships sunk by the German battleship Graf Spee, were imprisoned on the Altmark when the destroyer HMS Cossack ran it down in a Norwegian fjord in February 1940. The men were freed in hand-to-hand fighting with bayonets.
In London, Mr Bevan joined the Royal Air Force and spent the next four years in the RAF and also in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, serving in Malta and Egypt.
Through a friend in the RAF he met his wife, and they had three daughters: Angela, 65, who lives in Spain; Sandra, 60, who settled in South Africa; and Judith, 59, who lives in Sunderland.
Mr Bevan said he had never held a British visa but was allowed to stay in the UK because New Zealand was part of the Commonwealth.
His daughter Judith, a community worker, said: "It’s absolutely ridiculous. He’s lived here for all these years and has fought in the war. How could he go back to New Zealand? Most of his friends there have passed away now.
"He hasn’t got anywhere to live. Here he’s got his own house, and he’s too old to uproot and leave."
A Home Office spokesman said he could not comment on an individual case, but the local member of the European Parliament, Martin Callanan, said: "It would seem an extremely bizarre decision by the immigration services. With all sorts of illegal immigrants roaming the streets, I would have thought the immigration services could make more deserving cases for deportation than Mr Bevan."
Lily Taylor, 83, chairman of the RAF Bomber Command Association of the North East and its Sunderland branch, said the expulsion threat was disgraceful.
"It makes you wonder if this country is worth fighting for if they are going to do things like this."
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10353645
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Damn Excel, that's just sickening. I'm sure stuff like that happens all over the world, my country included.
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Excel, I just lost my appetite. That is sad that they would do that.
Karaya
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This godamned world is fast reaching a level of intolerable stupidity.
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Now, you kids need to sit down and listen to what Hangtime is saying. After you read this, step away from the computer, go take a walk outside and think about what Hangtime just said. And also what Uncle Rolex is about to tell you.
All the nonsense and injustice and stupidity in the world is like a heavy metal. It collects up inside your body and your mind over the years. It's a cumulative process. It just keeps adding up and adding up until one day, you finally figure out how the world works.
If you're less than about 45 years old, you don't know squat. You may think that you're clever and smart and have everything all figured out.
You do not know squat.
One day (if you are lucky - and not many of you smart and clever kids will be so lucky), when you are in your late 40s or early 50s, you'll awaken and suddenly, you will pass into a phase of life we call 'wisdom'
All of the heavy metals that have accumulated in your brain over the years will take its toll, and you'll decide that you've put up with all the nonsense and injustice and stupidity that you can for one lifetime.
You figure out the secret of life, the truth about the world and the truth about people. And the truth is...
The world is just one, big joke.
Once you understand the futility of fighting the joke, and accept the world and people for what they are, you can sit back with a wry, old smile and watch the less than 50-something know-it-alls stumble around arguing and getting upset and absorbing heavy metals, all the while thinking that they know something.
You don't know squat. And there ain't nothin' you can do to change that - or the world - until your time of understanding arrives.
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Originally posted by indy007
link (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a11,00.html)
Man, I thought socialism was touted as equality and compassion.. I geuss it is... as long as there's nothing wrong with you.
There is a lot of "funny" things about travelling with illness.
For example if you are HiV possitive, you will be deny to enter some countries even "western" countries.
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Originally posted by Rolex
Now, you kids need to sit down and listen to what Hangtime is saying. After you read this, step away from the computer, go take a walk outside and think about what Hangtime just said. And also what Uncle Rolex is about to tell you.
All the nonsense and injustice and stupidity in the world is like a heavy metal. It collects up inside your body and your mind over the years. It's a cumulative process. It just keeps adding up and adding up until one day, you finally figure out how the world works.
If you're less than about 45 years old, you don't know squat. You may think that you're clever and smart and have everything all figured out.
You do not know squat.
One day (if you are lucky - and not many of you smart and clever kids will be so lucky), when you are in your late 40s or early 50s, you'll awaken and suddenly, you will pass into a phase of life we call 'wisdom'
All of the heavy metals that have accumulated in your brain over the years will take its toll, and you'll decide that you've put up with all the nonsense and injustice and stupidity that you can for one lifetime.
You figure out the secret of life, the truth about the world and the truth about people. And the truth is...
The world is just one, big joke.
Once you understand the futility of fighting the joke, and accept the world and people for what they are, you can sit back with a wry, old smile and watch the less than 50-something know-it-alls stumble around arguing and getting upset and absorbing heavy metals, all the while thinking that they know something.
You don't know squat. And there ain't nothin' you can do to change that - or the world - until your time of understanding arrives.
Yesterday was my 55th birthday. I ate a postal employee, a customer and a cop.
You are correct. Critical BS Mass is obtainable. Only I ain't laughing as much as I used too and I tend to squint and tense when presented with the moronothon that passes for day-to-day interaction with some elements of society.
Perhaps my time of understanding will come soon.. perhaps it's already past. Perhaps I'll finally snap... I often get the foreboding feeling that the coin is still in the air, that the toss ain't been called yet.
The path to enlightenment and wisdom is paved with the puckered sphincters of freshly reamed pinheads.
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Happy damn birthday. ;)
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Indy007 - interesting post. The US adopted exactly the same sort of policy when screening immigrants entering the US in earlier centuries. Within a mile of the statue of liberty on Liberty Island (pic posted by SandMan^) there is another island called Ellis Island. That is where immigrants from Europe were "processed". Nowadays it's just a museum - a very fascinating museum, and worth a visit if you're in the New York area. I've been 2 or 3 times. Immigrants were checked for diseases, and many were sent back to their country of origin if found to be unfit because of communicable diseases or mental illness. The shipping company was made to pay the fare! For this reason, shipping companies made their own checks on people before setting sail for the US. IIRC, about 5,000 immigrants were processed each day at Ellis Island. The "processing officers" used to make a white chalk cross on the outer garment of the immigrant to show that they were OK.
Jackal! What were you doing breathing Hydrogen Phosphide? I didn't think driving a truck was that hazardous. ;) Sorry you're not well. I will be nice to you from now on! :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Jackal! What were you doing breathing Hydrogen Phosphide? I didn't think driving a truck was that hazardous. ;)
Cute. I wasn`t driving a truck Beet. :)
Had a burglar on the 4th or 5th floor with a flashlight.
To get to him from the side I was on I had to cross an enclosed catwalk, which
put me on the second floor of that building, then either take a manlift or stairs
up to where the moron was at. The first and second floors had been gassed and
the brilliant individuals who did so did not post the signs and seal
the entrances as required.
Sorry you're not well. I will be nice to you from now on! :) [/B]
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I`ll make it. Luckier than a lot of folks I know.
You start the "nice" crap and we won`t have anything to discuss. :)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.
Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.
While that specific situation is wrong, I think the policy is fine. So the Kiwi's dont want a bunch of sick immigrants moving to their country and suckinig on their healthcare system. It's their taxes. It's their country, let them run it as THEY see fit.
Personally, why would anyone want to see immigrants come to their country in a condition that would be a burden.......?
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Originally posted by mosgood
While that specific situation is wrong, I think the policy is fine. So the Kiwi's dont want a bunch of sick immigrants moving to their country and suckinig on their healthcare system. It's their taxes. It's their country, let them run it as THEY see fit.
Personally, why would anyone want to see immigrants come to their country in a condition that would be a burden.......?
Humanitarian reasons, the little dead girl was a good recent example. You know I am THEY don't you?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
You know I am THEY don't you?
What does that have to do with anything? Only your point is valid because your a Kiwi. That's a load of crap.
Countries SHOULD be selective about who they allow into their systems and if your sick and will be a drain on their system.... then there should be a second look at the situation before just letting you in.
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Originally posted by mosgood
What does that have to do with anything? Only your point is valid because your a Kiwi. That's a load of crap.
Countries SHOULD be selective about who they allow into their systems and if your sick and will be a drain on their system.... then there should be a second look at the situation before just letting you in.
Immigration is highly politicized in NZ, which means the rules are not applied fairly to prospective immigrants as the McGuires and many others have found out.
The immigration rules are adequate to keep out people who would be a burden on the country, but the immigration department lets many of them in anyway, while barring people who could make a worthwhile contribution. It's politics and it po alot of NZers.
To put it bluntly... if Barry McGuire was a Pacific Islander who had just arrived at Auckland airport without so much as a pot to piss in and welfare bludger written all over him, he would have had a far better chance at gaining residency.
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Rolex,
Never was a truer word said on this forum. I crossed that line not long ago. You don't exactly wake up one morning shouting 'Eureka'. But it eventually dawns on you. Recently one of my sisters crossed the line. I welcomed her to the club and we shook our heads at the antics of our youth and of the rest of the family yet to reach 'wisdom'. :rofl Some people never cross the line. But most do eventually. My wife hasn't yet. But she will. Before this I never understood those baffling illogical decisions you come across every day. The key is to realise you never will.
The world is a joke and a poor one at that.
Things like the 84 year Kiwi RAF veteran then make sense. The question I would ask him is why he was still using a New Zealand passport after all these years living in the Britain. No doubt he could have got one years ago when it was easier. He won't be deported. He will have to go through a lot of hassle now, which he could have avoided if only he had woken up a few years ago. If he was allowed in, then every New Zealander can be allowed in.
Something similar happened to an Irish guy working in the US some time ago. He has a special work visa of some sort, not a green card. All he did was renew it regularly for about ten years. Eventually things tightened up post 9/11 and someone in the INS said no and he was out. Just like that.
In the end it was all his own fault.
The apparachiks are simply doing their job.
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hang.. one year ahead of you. My goal is to make so many of the people who run my city misserable that they will offer me a special retirement package (like they get for themselves a year before they leave) just to get rid of me... this board is great practice.
lazs
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Rolex,
Never was a truer word said on this forum. I crossed that line not long ago. You don't exactly wake up one morning shouting 'Eureka'. But it eventually dawns on you. Recently one of my sisters crossed the line. I welcomed her to the club and we shook our heads at the antics of our youth and of the rest of the family yet to reach 'wisdom'. :rofl Some people never cross the line. But most do eventually. My wife hasn't yet. But she will. Before this I never understood those baffling illogical decisions you come across every day. The key is to realise you never will.
The world is a joke and a poor one at that.
Things like the 84 year Kiwi RAF veteran then make sense. The question I would ask him is why he was still using a New Zealand passport after all these years living in the Britain. No doubt he could have got one years ago when it was easier. He won't be deported. He will have to go through a lot of hassle now, which he could have avoided if only he had woken up a few years ago. If he was allowed in, then every New Zealander can be allowed in.
Something similar happened to an Irish guy working in the US some time ago. He has a special work visa of some sort, not a green card. All he did was renew it regularly for about ten years. Eventually things tightened up post 9/11 and someone in the INS said no and he was out. Just like that.
In the end it was all his own fault.
The apparachiks are simply doing their job.
cpxxx, maybe it's unrelated but yourself and Rolex have given a pretty good description of 'Middle Age Fatigue Syndrome’. Some of it's worst symptoms include; testicle shrinkage; an over powering urge to bend over when faced with burocratic adversity and impromptu Yoda impersonations.
Comparing that old soldier to a kiwi that walks of a plane at Heathrow for the first time, or even one that’s been in the UK for a length of time is just ridiculous. To say that allowing the old guy to stay in England would open the flood gates for kiwis to immigrate to the UK is pure BS. If that’s the best that they can come up with to justify the way they have treated him then they really do need a good arse kicking. I would happily oblige if my right leg was 12,000 miles long.
Excel
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Hi there Excel1.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if some type of special dispensation magically happens to let this fine Kiwi carry on living without being thrown into the ocean. Some wise, testicle-shrunken, Yoda impersonator will come along and use a pen or telephone and some contacts (instead of a long leg) to try to solve it - instead of rage against it with a few dozen people on a game company bulletin board.
And you're right about fatigue... I was going to tell you about being fatigued from the 3 different women I have dates with this week - one is 27, one is 34 and the oldest, but most elegant, is a 39 year-old model and former stewardess who doesn't have a mark or wrinkle from her stunningly beautiful hair down to her perfect little toes - but that would be mean, so I won't do it. I'm sure you already know that these type of women are attracted to sharp, older guys who understand the world... and women. Long, arse-kicking legs probably attract a different kind of woman?
Well, I'm a little fatigued and I need to rest up. Going to see Boz Scaggs play at a very exclusive little place in a few days and I have to decide who I should take. Cheers!
Your friend,
Rolex
(By the way, it's "bureaucratic.")
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Excel1,
Maybe you'd like to 'spear tackle' me. I hear you guys are good at that.:p
Rolex gave you the answer. The man's problem will be solved in due course. No need for outrage. It remains his own fault. No visa, no entry. Them are the rules. It applies to all of us. Whether you bend over or not.
But all this writing has tired me out. Time for a nap. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rolex
Hi there Excel1.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if some type of special dispensation magically happens to let this fine Kiwi carry on living without being thrown into the ocean. Some wise, testicle-shrunken, Yoda impersonator will come along and use a pen or telephone and some contacts (instead of a long leg) to try to solve it - instead of rage against it with a few dozen people on a game company bulletin board.
And you're right about fatigue... I was going to tell you about being fatigued from the 3 different women I have dates with this week - one is 27, one is 34 and the oldest, but most elegant, is a 39 year-old model and former stewardess who doesn't have a mark or wrinkle from her stunningly beautiful hair down to her perfect little toes - but that would be mean, so I won't do it. I'm sure you already know that these type of women are attracted to sharp, older guys who understand the world... and women. Long, arse-kicking legs probably attract a different kind of woman?
Well, I'm a little fatigued and I need to rest up. Going to see Boz Scaggs play at a very exclusive little place in a few days and I have to decide who I should take. Cheers!
Your friend,
Rolex
(By the way, it's "bureaucratic.")
Hey Rolex,
In case you didn't notice there was some piss taking in my last post.
Here's an update on the stuff I was serious about.
The British Government has backed down on its threat to deport an 84-year-old New Zealander who settled in England after fighting in the Royal Air Force.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10353842
Keep in mind that news article is three days old. It's great that he is allowed to stay< I didn't think they would deport him anyway> but that's not the issue, the way he was treated is. They could have used discretion to achieve the same out come, but instead they took a big stick to an old man that probably has contributed a sheet load more good to England than the 'bureaucratic' twerps who threatened to kick him out of the country in the first place. And besides, 60 years is a long time, by now I think he would be more Pom than Kiwi...it's like kicking one of your own.
In my experience the polite use of the pen or telephone are not always enough to get knuckle heads to see the error of their ways. At those times a boot to the arse, even if it’s only verbal is called for. And it can be very effective.
This is a hefty kick, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been the only one.
Lily Taylor, 83, chairman of the RAF Bomber Command Association of the North East and its Sunderland branch, said the expulsion threat was disgraceful.
"It makes you wonder if this country is worth fighting for if they are going to do things like this."
As for the women you describe are you sure it's not your money they are after? I would understand if it was. I know the type. Give them a shovel or a pair of fencing pliers and tell them to make themselves useful around the place and the last you see off them is through a haze of tire smoke as they drive out the front gate.
Have fun at the Boz Scaggs concert.
Excel
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Excel1,
Maybe you'd like to 'spear tackle' me. I hear you guys are good at that.:p
Rolex gave you the answer. The man's problem will be solved in due course. No need for outrage. It remains his own fault. No visa, no entry. Them are the rules. It applies to all of us. Whether you bend over or not.
But all this writing has tired me out. Time for a nap. :rolleyes:
LOL
I get it now cpxxx, you don't like kiwis because we made that girl's blouse Brian O'Driscoll cry.
Jeez..Get over it.
Excel
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Naw, I love Kiwis. I just couldn't eat a whole one.
The All Blacks are here this week. We have been waiting for this moment. We'll get over it when we have our revenge. :furious :mad:
Umaga is too chicken **** to line up so we will have satisfy ourselves with Mealamu. muhaha.