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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on November 07, 2005, 01:54:26 PM
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Hello.
Here is the thing...
When we buildt the house, the electric person set up a cabinet next to the fuse box cabinet in the utilities room.
In that cabinet we have the tv signal box thingy, and it sends the tv signals to every room in the house except the bathrooms. The cable modem is also in that cabinet and i have hooked it up to the wifi-router.
There are also 8 network cables there that connects to nothing but leads to all the rooms in the house. I wanna put them to the use they were intended..
Sooo... Im gonna get a 16 port gigabit switch and plug all the loose ends into it.
Here comes the question...
Can I take a wire from one of the 4 lan ports on the Linksys wifi router and plug it into the uplink port on the switch? ofcourse I can, but will the router work in that way?....distributing internet to all 8 connected wires, or do i need a different setup?
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You don't need a gigabit switch unless you plan on setting it up as a small workgroup to distribute files and stuff in your house because your internet connection isn't going to go to 10mb/s.
But yes, the router can route to the switch and then the switch will control data traffic to the router and other computers on the switch. You will have to configure the switch though with an IP since I don't think it will use the router's DHCP service.
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The plan is to share files across the network too, not just internet. The missus is also gonna start working from home soon so we will share files, printers, scanners and internet. The wires are ready for gigabit and i also plan on installing a NAS box in the cabinet sometime this year. There is a slot for a 1U server in the cabinet but I don't think ill need that for now.
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Unless you've got cat5e or cat6 cables I don't think the gigabit switch will do you all that much good. Probably a waste of $$. A 10/100 switch will do the job just fine for quite a bit less. Unless you're moving large files across your house, you're still going gigabit to a 10/100 uplink port on the router, so it's pretty useless.
The uplink port will let you stack the switch and the router. Just make sure the switch is just a switch, or it won't work. I've known quite a few people that used up their 4 ports on their routers, and went out and bought another router. That can cause problems. Most off the shelf, residential use switches won't even need an IP assigned, and everything plugged into it will grab DHCP from the router.
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Router should be plugged into modem and switch into router.
EDIT: your network speed will be limited by disk IO rather than anything else. Unless you have some good RAIDs in your machines, Gigabit is overkill and you won't be able to fully utilize it.
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in this case couldnt he use a hub off the router?
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He could, but it'd be slower than a switch due to network collisions. Plus, with the prices nowadays, I'd shell out the extra few dollars for better performance.
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With switch you can run full duplex, ie switch auto negotiates connection, hubs don't ie packet collision
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The thing is that I'm not gonna pay for the switch anyways so thats why i figured that I may aswell get a gigabit switch.
To simplify the setup i was thinking about..
Modem --> router --> switch.
IF I install a server in the future should it be like this?
modem --> server --> router --> switch. or should i just hook the server up to one of the ports on the switch?
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modem -> router -> switch -> workstations & server
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thx :)
Btw.. im pretty sure that I will be able to use the gigabit bandwith in the future when there will be streaming of video, workfiles and VOIP that may all be happening at the same time to many parts of the house.
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Nothing wrong with Gigabit switch. You'll have aprox 3 times better network performance over 100Mbps, just don't expect having full gigabit speeds.
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Admit it nilson.......we know what you are up to.
I can see the website now: "welcome to the future home of: norweiganvoyerhouse.com"
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Lol Guns :D
I know i wont get the full giga speed and thats why ill get the giga switch... im thinking that if ill get "only" 100mbit, the real speed is gonna be lower so ill go for max speed right away.
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Any brand of switch you would recomend?
Performance is ofcourse important, but so is power consumption... if there is a difference between the brands. There is gonna be alot of gadgets/junk in that cabinet and I don't want to install a nukular plant to support and cool it all :D
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Off-the-shelf best buy brands? I've had dozens of linksys stuff fail on me. I geuss once they got real popular their QA fell apart trying to keep up with demand. The little DLink I've got in the house right now is on to it's second year with no problems (except the ones I created myself).
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Yup.. of-the-shelf
I have had 3com, linksys and netgear stuff and none of it has really failed me.
I'll see whats available for a reasonable price.
I should get unmanaged switches right?
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Unmanaged switch and a decent firewall (ie not 3Com, Linksys, or Netgear)
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Just take care that all ports are actually 1000/100/10, autosensing preferably. Most of Gigabit switches have cooling fans, and they are most common point of failure (some are loud too). Shouldn't cost you more than $150.
Router is far more important in your setup. Good ones aren't cheap really, but worth the investment. If you have $500 to spend go for something like Cisco 800 series (806). For half the money you can get something like Netgear FVL328. El cheapos bellow $100 aren't much more worth then what you already have, which I would use for wireless only and not as main router.
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I will continue to use the linksys WRT54G Wifi router im using now. I also use a Linksys range extender gadget that sits in the middle of the house so I have full coverage over the property.
If i get a new router then i also need to add an access point to the mix so I wont go there... not yet anyways.
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You can use your current router in addition to the new one. In this case, your Linksys router would be wireless access point with NAT disabled.
Was just a thought for your future ultramegafastburningleet network :D
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Screw wires. Seriously, go wireless.
g00b
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Originally posted by g00b
Screw wires. Seriously, go wireless.
Ahh, another leecher :lol
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Just take care that all ports are actually 1000/100/10, autosensing preferably. Most of Gigabit switches have cooling fans, and they are most common point of failure (some are loud too). Shouldn't cost you more than $150.
Router is far more important in your setup. Good ones aren't cheap really, but worth the investment. If you have $500 to spend go for something like Cisco 800 series (806). For half the money you can get something like Netgear FVL328. El cheapos bellow $100 aren't much more worth then what you already have, which I would use for wireless only and not as main router.
Ugghh, Cisco? They are utter crap. The 800 series being the worst of the range. Personally I'd pick up a Sonicwall TZ170W or TZ150W.
The TZ150W Total Secure bundle lists at ~US$538 gives you much better firewall throughput and vpn throughput than the Cisco, and Gateway IPS, Gateway AV, Gateway Antispyware, Content Filtering, and Stats Reporting. Plus a nice easy to configure interface.
Check here: http://www.sonicwall.com/totalsecure/
Nilsen the Linksys router you have has some major security flaws in it. Not something I'd really recommend.
g00b, wireless should always compliment a wired network, never replace it. Unless you go to 802.11a wireless is just not stable enough or fast enough.
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Originally posted by g00b
Screw wires. Seriously, go wireless.
g00b
Ive been on Wifi since the first 802.11b stuff came out and its great for light laptop/PDA use, but you cant beat wires for performance. 90% of the time I sit at my desk anyway so inserting a cable into the laptop is not very hard work. The other machines are also sitting at one spot most of the time.
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You know whats funny, is the number of times I've been asked about wireless roaming. Particularly with regard to IPSEC based wireless solutions. When you ask people "seriously, do you intend to wander around the building with your laptop like that?" (our stuff does do it though).
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My setup does not allow me to roam between the basestation and the extender...me thinks.
Not a problem tho, i just choose what transmitter to connect too if i dont bother turning off the puter before i move it.
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Ended up with a 16 port gigabit switch from smc. payed about 30$ on QXL. Brand new box too.
works well.. all the rooms in my house are now connected with both gigabit and wifi fro filesharing but the router is still connected to the wifi router until i can hook it all up.