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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on November 07, 2005, 02:44:37 PM
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Oooh, look, the redone killer by a thousand cuts is up for viewing.
The skin looks really nice. Very Battle of Britain.
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Looks nice, but the gun holes and the little red patches around them are not on top of each other.
Looks like one pair of guns got misplaced, you sure that guns and red patches are at diffrent locations?
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Oops, I didn't catch that before I posted it. That will be fixed before release.
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Are the wings a little thicker on the Mk1 model then later models?..
I thought I remember hearing someone compare the spitty1's wings to hurri1's
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I love shooting dweebs down with massed 303s. More satisfying then the 2-3 cannon hits.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Are the wings a little thicker on the Mk1 model then later models?..
I thought I remember hearing someone compare the spitty1's wings to hurri1's
No. The first full wing redesign is on the Spitfire F.Mk 21. Other changes are gradual.
Spitfire Mk V sees the introduction of metal skinned ailerons
Spitfire Mk VIII sees the introduction of a stiffer wing and shortend ailerons
Various marks have either clipped wings or lengthend wings, either modification is easy to add and remove.
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Just me or does the upper nose directly behind the spinner look to 'sharp' or bulbous?
Almost like it has the enlarged upper panel to take later Merlins and Griffons.
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I don't see that, but the nose looks too long and the "chin" seems distorted for it.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/spit15.jpg)
(http://members.arstechnica.com/x/karnak/spitfire1_1.jpg)
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Look at the screenshot of the underside on spit1, does it seem like something is weird with how the gear are showing?
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Ahhh nevermind, I see the covers over the wheels now.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I love shooting dweebs down with massed 303s. More satisfying then the 2-3 cannon hits.
I second that. And not only dweebs i might add.
But i honestly prefer Hurri1 for the Job.
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The Hurri concentrates the .303s too much. For the real thousand cut effect you need the .303s spread over the leading edge of the wing like on the Spitfire Mk Ia.;)
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i wish i could put my finger on it, but the nose does look 'odd' on all the new spits. i wish i could pinpoint it to help out... but i cant.
the curvature above the spinner looks a little much, and the frankenstein nose looks a bit square..
i dont wish to criticise the HTC team as it looks awesome, but something, very small, looks off to me, am i the only one?
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Originally posted by Karnak
The Hurri concentrates the .303s too much. For the real thousand cut effect you need the .303s spread over the leading edge of the wing like on the Spitfire Mk Ia.;)
Ohhh, my *aim* makes them 303s spread well enough.... :D
Some say im like a cat playing with its food, but honest truth is: I cant hit any better!
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you spread em well schatzi! :D
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Originally posted by Furball
you spread em well schatzi! :D
Pig!
:)
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Originally posted by Furball
i wish i could put my finger on it, but the nose does look 'odd' on all the new spits. i wish i could pinpoint it to help out... but i cant.
the curvature above the spinner looks a little much, and the frankenstein nose looks a bit square..
It looks to me almost like the nose is too square from a frontal profile perspective. The nose also seems to be too long when compared with other Merlin Spits. Add to that the the "chin" seems to just down and then back to much rather than having a more gradual curve to it. Some of the screen shots of the Merlin spits also make the chin look too flat in the sideways direction. Without access to it to play with it I can't be sure though.
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Originally posted by Karnak
It looks to me almost like the nose is too square from a frontal profile perspective. The nose also seems to be too long when compared with other Merlin Spits. Add to that the the "chin" seems to just down and then back to much rather than having a more gradual curve to it. Some of the screen shots of the Merlin spits also make the chin look too flat in the sideways direction. Without access to it to play with it I can't be sure though.
The nose IS too long and bulbous. Also note the location of the rear-most exhaust stacks on the Mk.I, they should be just about in line with the wing's leading edge. Below is a profile of a Spit Mk.I and that of a Mk.IX below it. Below these is a Spit PR.Mk.IX, with the bulged under-nose (increased size of oil tank, I believe)
(http://www.rafweb.org/Markings/SpitfireI-IIA.jpg)
(http://www.rafweb.org/Markings/SpitfireIX.jpg)
(http://www.rafweb.org/Markings/SpitfireX-XI.jpg)
Here's a shot of the USAF museum's Mk.V Trop. Note the nose is shorter than the Mk.IX too.
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey24.jpg)
All of the new Spitfires seem to have the bulged PR.XI nose.
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap17.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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Yes, that is it Widewing. They have the larger oil tank of a long ranged PR Spit that causes the mishaped chin.
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Minor issue, but.... I don't think the spit1 had as much of a "bump" on each side for the engine, I think it was much rounder, smoother.
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Since I'm playing this game i never saw somebody flying a Spit MKI.
Who need that plane? You will never see it up in the air.
NghtFire
The best answer to this Spit is the BF109-E4. How often do u see a E4 in here?
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Originally posted by Kolibri
Since I'm playing this game i never saw somebody flying a Spit MKI.
Who need that plane? You will never see it up in the air.
NghtFire
The best answer to this Spit is the BF109-E4. How often do u see a E4 in here?
You don't see that many of them in the MA, but they are used in Scenarios (esp. BoB!), other special events and in the CT.
And I saw some 109E-4's last saturday in the Malta scenario, I even flew in one...
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I've flown the Spit mk1 in the MA, My best sortie I got a La7, a SpitV, and a P38L.
When I landed I recieved 47.xx perks, that made my day:D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Minor issue, but.... I don't think the spit1 had as much of a "bump" on each side for the engine, I think it was much rounder, smoother.
Thats what I was on about, the bumps either side weren't seen until later Merlins and Griffons were fitted.
They were needed for clearence.
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ok gents, this is nomde.... I skinned the spit I this round....
The complaints about the model will cease and desist immediately or the beatings (http://www.56thfightergroup.com/members/nomde/sounds/whip.wav) will commence, hehe :D
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I think the model looks alright, but yeah that nose is pretty off looking, way to long. But other then the cockpit the plane looks about the same as in game! lol Don't get me wrong I can't wait to fly it. :-)
I'd love to get my hands on a spit or hurri with the 8 .303's but with an engine that doesn't cut out like those early merlins!
Edward
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What you won't see til the patch is Nomde's mug on the pilot's face or the inflatable sheep in front of the stick. :p
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Kev: sorry, I thought you were talking about length/oil tank bulge.
Nomde: You did a wonderful job skinning it, but we're not talking about the skin, per se. Rather we're discussing the mesh the skin is applied to. (*pointing out the obvious, sorry*). With our current model we don't have that... it might just be a slight oversight in the 3d mesh work, or it may have been a time saving measure (hey, not that I agree with it, just thinking up reasons for it).
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Krusty, I was just ribbin ya guys :D
Honestly gents, skinners or 3d modelers we're one team. Alot of work goes on behind the scenes and we try to give the community the best plane layout possible.
Feedback like what's being given is whats needed to pickup anything we may have missed, it let's us know that eyes are upon us :noid
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I got the ribbing part :)
Really, eh? I almost figured it was just giving you an updated skin viewer and letting you create the skins needed to cover the model. I had no idea it was any more involved :)
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shhhh, there's alot of sheep swapping and alcohol related games, but don't tell the masses :p
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I think the landing gear has slightly too much forward rake. AFAIK it was made so only afterwards when more heavy engines and longer noses were implemented. And as mentioned by others the nose is slightly too angled for Mk1. It should be smoother.
PS. I still think those cockpit frames are too thin. Compare them to IL2 FB or PF if you will. Although I think those are again too thick. I find it strange that they are made so different in different sims...
edit: This does not apply to Mk1 though. It DID have thin frames because there was no armourglass...
-C+
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Originally posted by EdXCal
I think the model looks alright, but yeah that nose is pretty off looking, way to long. But other then the cockpit the plane looks about the same as in game! lol Don't get me wrong I can't wait to fly it. :-)
I'd love to get my hands on a spit or hurri with the 8 .303's but with an engine that doesn't cut out like those early merlins!
Edward
Stick with it for a while. Youll get used to the engine cut outs. Nowadays, when im in a Hurr1, my eng cuts rarely unintentionally.
Theres many tricks out there to keep the 0.5 Gs needed for the carb, you just have to get rid of certain 'flight instincts'.
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Yeahhhhh...Another Spit too choose from, how original.... The creative juices are really flowing now...
The skin work is excellent BTW!
TJ
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Originally posted by Kolibri
Since I'm playing this game i never saw somebody flying a Spit MKI.
Who need that plane? You will never see it up in the air.
NghtFire
The best answer to this Spit is the BF109-E4. How often do u see a E4 in here?
The E4 has craptacular guns. I've flown the Spit I in the MA. The major problem is speed; it can't get out of the way of the P-38s, LA-7s, and P-51s of the world.
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I make the engine cut out on the Hurri on purpose, it give me a chance to hear were the other guy (or gal) I am having a knife fight is.
Then I can turn point and spray.
It must have been hell for WAX today when I unloaded close to 2000 rounds into him, I reckon every part of that N1K had a hole in it :D
At one point all I could see were hit sprites
:D
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I've shot a Bf109E-4 down in the MA whileflying a Spitfire Mk Ia. It was weird to have a historical duel with all the uber planes rushing about us.
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Schatzi, I've flown in AH for 5 years, I've used both the Spit mk1 and the Hurri mk1 many times, which I like both, there great planes even though the major draw back in the Hurri is total lack of speed! lol The engines are just more irratating then anything else... lol You really dont lose that much speed and the engine comes back on quickly enough to really not have much to worry about. I havn't had much of a problem with them myself latly, but thats something that I still would not want to worry about in a flight, it sometimes will keep your mind off the fight.
Edward