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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Billy Joe Bob on November 07, 2005, 06:38:22 PM
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can we have Bakka bombs? for those who dont know, they are sort of like a v1 launched from a betty bomber and then would ram into a carrier. they went like 500 mph or something and were VERY hard to shoot down.
p.s. can we have it so damage would be caused by ramming a plane into a ship?
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I think a long time ago we had a post about Kamakazis and some people liked it and others said that it was a bad idea because it made people from japan or something mad about having Kamakazis, something like that.
I think it be a good idea to add damage to a ship if u rammed it. Who knows maybe we will get a Kamakazi plane with tons of explosion stored in the nose. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee KABOOOOOOM!!!!!!
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Bakkas should be added because it would be historically accurate. if it was used in reeal life then shouldnt it be in the game?
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They weren't very common. Most of the times it was just a regular plane packed with explosives.
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I'd settle for a Betty.
One needs them for Ohkas.
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The downside to kamikazi attacks in WW2 was the loss of pilots. In AH there is no loss of pilots and therefore would have no downside to ramming a plane into something to destroy it.
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do not call them bakka bombs. that is an american nickname for them. they are ohkas, meening cherry blossem.
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It amazes me sometimes how sensitive the Japanese can be about
names, yet seemingly not give a fig about atrocities committed.
Must be a cultural thing I guess.
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Not to highjack a thread and turn it into a kamakazi discussion...but i have to agree with Raptor. (What follows is NOT a moral argument)
There is no loss when we lose a virtual life...so it would be no big deal to up over and over again in the fastest plane possible with the idea of ramming a ship.
Not only that, when the Japanese sent in the Kamakazi, the would usually do it at 1 or 2 at a time... while the others heald their positions above the fleet. It was a tactical flaw on their part, but it gave the gunners on the ships at least a fighting chance. Given how much we tend to swarm in this game, I would imagine a bunch of folks would up and swarm a carrier, thus killing it much faster than they currently go down in the game. Ultimatly, i think playability would suffer as a result.
There are a few ways that this issue could be addressed... we could turn up the accuracy of the already deadly CV ack... but then folks who try it the old fashioned way with egg's or torpedos wouldn't stand a chance.
Or maybe it could be modled that only 1 type of plane can collide and damage a CV. That plane could be uber perked, guarenteeing that whoever flew it was going to lose a bunch of perks (100+?).
I dunno... just some thoughts.
BTW... they have an Ohkas (is that the plural?) at the Udva-Hazy annex of the Air and Space museum. It's pretty sweet (the Ohka and the rest of the air craft in the collection.) They also have a Do 335, another sweet German night fighter that I'm blanking on the name, and an Ardo 234 with RATO packs... oooooohhhh baby.
PPS... I myself would love to have the Betty too. I flew it a lot in WarBirds 2.77 because it's climb rate was amazing. It would be a nice to have in the arsenal when attacking a 10K VH base. :aok
PPPS... sorry for changing the subject bud... and thanks to all for reading my $.02
-scott
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If we could have the Ohka, it might limit its swarming potential if it can only be launched from one type of plane and has to be flown by an actual pilot, not launched like a cruise missile. Takes two pilots to make one attack. Plus you also have to consider that the launch plane has to take the time to fly to the target and climb to a drop altitude. Especially if the bomb was modelled so that there was a 3-4 second delay from being dropped to its engine igniting. I doubt even the Japanese Kamikaze pilots would have wanted a rocket engine igniting too close to a flying gas tank with 2 pilots and various other crewmen.
Secondly, you would have the added issue of the bomber being shot down before it could get within range- I believe the Ohka only had a minute or two of fuel, if that much. Most of its payload was devoted to the warhead. The Betty was not that rugged of a plane- legendary for not being that strong, as we all know. Many of them would probably be shot down before they could effectively deploy the Ohka, as they were in the war.
Third, it would be difficult to get one through and hit the Carrier without a lot of practice. A piloted bomb is probably not that maneuverable, and I imagine it would be quite difficult to turn at speed to hit a turning or swerving ship, or to avoid a diving fighter. And probably impossible to survive the ack-ack and covering fighters long enough to climb out, turn around, and dive in for a second run if they did miss.
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calling them bakka bombs is an insult to the brave men who gave their lives in these devices. would be like calling dustoff pilots "unarmed retards".
btw, i am not japanese. i just get pissed off when gallant men are insulted for no reason.
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Was it brave men giving their lives?
NUTS!
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They were forced to. As much as if a gun had been placed to their heads. They weren't willing participants. There was simply no way they'd be able ot say "no I won't do this".
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
Bakkas should be added because it would be historically accurate. if it was used in reeal life then shouldnt it be in the game?
So do you want little concentration camps with smoke curling from the chimneys?
NOT.
Historical accuracy isnt the question. Would Ohkas add value to Aces High II either in gameplay, or in business value?
The answer to both is a resounding no.
Gameplay? If you want the experience of a Kamikaze pilot, just join the hordes taking lancs on Stuka runs. Drop bombs right before you impact, and you've done more damage than the Ohka.
Business Value? I cant imagine any way that AH2 would attract nearly as many players as it woudl lose from kamikaze "features". The game would risk being CNN's "awful video game threatening civilization" for a week, and it would likely lose droves of players.
It's a no gain, high risk move. Dont look for the Ohka anytime soon.
Like ever.
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Agree with Simaril, but I woulda put it nicer:p
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
calling them bakka bombs is an insult to the brave men who gave their lives in these devices. would be like calling dustoff pilots "unarmed retards".
btw, i am not japanese. i just get pissed off when gallant men are insulted for no reason.
Well said, even though at the time they were the enemy they had some big ones to do that stuff!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Agree with Simaril, but I woulda put it nicer:p
I'll try to be nicer.
We clueless old men tend to get crochety as we get grey.
;)
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It amazes me sometimes how sensitive the Japanese can be about
names, yet seemingly not give a fig about atrocities committed.
Must be a cultural thing I guess.
Would it be any different if other people gave your servicemen in Iraq goofy names, and say you guys are so sensitive to that stuff and yet so insensitive about the "collateral damage" to civilians?
It's not a culture thing. It's called "mutual understanding", or rather, lack of.
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So the Allies are supposed to jump out of their trousers in fury when they hear Japanese designations like Whistling Death or Whispering death?
(F4U and Beaufighter)
?? :huh
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Originally posted by Simaril
So do you want little concentration camps with smoke curling from the chimneys?
NOT.
Historical accuracy isnt the question. Would Ohkas add value to Aces High II either in gameplay, or in business value?
The answer to both is a resounding no.
Gameplay? If you want the experience of a Kamikaze pilot, just join the hordes taking lancs on Stuka runs. Drop bombs right before you impact, and you've done more damage than the Ohka.
Business Value? I cant imagine any way that AH2 would attract nearly as many players as it woudl lose from kamikaze "features". The game would risk being CNN's "awful video game threatening civilization" for a week, and it would likely lose droves of players.
It's a no gain, high risk move. Dont look for the Ohka anytime soon.
Like ever.
i didnt mean it like that i meant it as the aircraft and such should be added.
and btw i didnt know the errr ohkas real name sorry
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
Bakkas should be added because it would be historically accurate. if it was used in reeal life then shouldnt it be in the game?
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Smidsy, lay off the caffeine, it will get rid of those bug eyes in the avatar.
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:O
oh noes what have i done now? i had a feeling i just whacked the bee's nest.
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LoL Billy, welcome to the AH BBS.
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This thread wandered off topic very badly. Seems it is done.