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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nath-BDP on August 04, 2000, 05:30:00 AM
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Simply because their aircraft are the most challenging and once you master them they are the best aircraft in the game.
Historical reasons also, ever since I was young I loved the F4U and American planes... later on when I learned more about the Jagdgwaffe what kind of odds the Jagdgwaffe were up against and how they continued to destroy more aircraft than they lost... it just astonished me. I respect the flyers of the LW and how they defended their homeland against such odds on 3 fronts and did exceptionally. Not to mention it spawned the top scoring aces ever and the most skilled.
P.S. Best looking aircraft and camoflage too. ;P
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Geschwaderkommodore JG 54
"Grünherz"
(http://www.mindspring.com/~nathownsj00/JG54Sig.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-04-2000).]
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Most challenging BAHHH try to keep a 2:1 k:d in the C-47!!!
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Underdog and bad guy is my reason, alongside with what Nath said. I love being a bad guy; I liked the game Tie Fighters more than X-Wing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Of course, there isn't the intellectual reward of knowing you fight evil, and it can be hard to motivate yerself that you do it for "a good cause" - but it is fun, and it irritates the allied opportunists (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Plus, there is an ugly raw beauty to the German WWII planes that the VVS and other allies simply do not have.
The Japanese, well too remote for me.
If I had to be allied, I'd fly for the VVS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Pinko. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Hairball:
Pinko. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
LOL
Well I fly LW planes because I always (since I first saw it on a book) loved Fw190 looks. I had just the same "problem" with the F4U, but I readed and digged into WWII on the ETO more than about the PTO...that is why I always liked 190 more.
I read about German aces and their records, their problems dealing with a mad superior (goering) and a very numeric superior enemy.
So when I first came to AH I tried the Fw190A8. Of course that was a time when "energy" was an unknown thing for me, so I tried and tried to turn...with the expected results (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
So I changed to F4U, the other love I had in the planeset. I flew it a lot until Jg2 got me into the squad (hey Swager...I still remember that friday night in my F4U when I first flew with you guys! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))...then I reverted to the Fw190 ways (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), helped by Ripsnort and Weazel...my second mission with Ripsnort ended with a 4 kill streak for me...
I had been only 4 weeks on AH, and when I started I had no idea on how to take off...that streak really hooked me at all into the 190.
And I felt like in home. A plane that was at first look so inferior to the other planes, and that when you mastered it it was able to do amazing things...simply hooked me up. It was a very hard time trying to learn that heavy beast...but was a very rewarding too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
That was my time with no pedals...of course 109G10 for me was impossible to fly by then...but I too loved its basic quality...a plane that is SO hard to master and that its SO good when you master it...
Simply fell in love with LW fighters. I have flown all and every plane in AH, and I can say that the only other 2 planes I really felt confortable in, were the La5 (like a 109G6 on steroids (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) and the P51D.
I like the looks of the F4U...but I dont fly it anymore (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(said that until I got my rudder pedals I flew ALL the planeset, Spitfires included (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
(and after the pedals, I flew P51 a lot and luv it) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Simply nice feeling to streak with Fw190A-8 against those super planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
If I couldn't fly LW planes, I would fly Yak-9 or P-47 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I love snap shooting with Bf109's, simply nice to kill bogeys with 7-15 shots!
I haven't found other plane which in I could snap shoot as well as in Bf109.
(maybe its just that ammo quantity which makes up for shooting? dunno)
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Simply because their aircraft are the most challenging and once you master them they are the best aircraft in the game.
Historical reasons also, ever since I was young I loved the F4U and American planes... later on when I learned more about the Jagdgwaffe what kind of odds the Jagdgwaffe were up against and how they continued to destroy more aircraft than they lost... it just astonished me. I respect the flyers of the LW and how they defended their homeland against such odds on 3 fronts and did exceptionally. Not to mention it spawned the top scoring aces ever and the most skilled.
P.S. Best looking aircraft and camoflage too. ;P
Fly them all. Master them all. Everyone well hate you, but no enemy shalt thou have.
- Dweeb
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109G10, because its challenging. I've read books on Luftwaffe pilots, very interesting stuff. But the reasons I fly the G10 are
1 The challenge
2 The looks
3 Uniqueness (not a popular plane)
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Er..., in my experience the Bf109G-10 is the best plane in AH at this time. If HTC adds the Fw190D-9 or Spitfire Mk F.XIV that might change, but as it is the G-10 has so much speed and such a climb rate that it allows even a poor pilot like me to hold my own. Whenever I try the supposed easy rides that people are accused of cheating for using, e.g. Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2, Fw190A-5 or P-51D, I get slaughtered (I have had some success in the Fw190A-5 and N1K2, but nothing compared to the Bf109G-10).
Because of my personal experience with the Bf109G-10 I just can't take any of the whines by the LW fans seriously. I my opinion they have the best fighter in the game and they still aren't satisfied.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Er..., in my experience the Bf109G-10 is the best plane in AH at this time. If HTC adds the Fw190D-9 or Spitfire Mk F.XIV that might change, but as it is the G-10 has so much speed and such a climb rate that it allows even a poor pilot like me to hold my own. Whenever I try the supposed easy rides that people are accused of cheating for using, e.g. Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2, Fw190A-5 or P-51D, I get slaughtered (I have had some success in the Fw190A-5 and N1K2, but nothing compared to the Bf109G-10).
Because of my personal experience with the Bf109G-10 I just can't take any of the whines by the LW fans seriously. I my opinion they have the best fighter in the game and they still aren't satisfied.
Sisu
-Karnak
Disagree Karnak. 109G10 has the weaker weapons set in AH excluding C202.30mm not considered here as a weapon of choice for a newbie. (Yak9 has more punch as its guns are better). It has the weakest elevator response in AH, it has abysmal control over 400mph IAS, it has the worse torque effects apart those of the typhoon, and rolls like a pregnant whale.If you damage an elevator or aileron of this plane it wont be no longer an effective fighter as its response would be unexistant...(a roll to the right at low speed is simply impossible without rudder assistance if you have only one aileron).
Not to forguet the little cockpit. Seems good but you cant move inside it.
THe reasons you give for it being the best plane in AH are: speed climbrate and acceleration. You say that with those only you cant be touched. And I must agree with you. If you dont want to fight, the 109G10 will make you untouchable. But happens that most of us want to engage, not only rtb alive. Once engaged in a close combat the 109G10 is easy meat if you play your cards well and the G10 stays fighting (wich, again, most of LW nuts we do).
The G10 simply CANT bounce a con, as compression makes the bounce impossible. Simply CANT engage a buff unless it has a 30mm on board (but a newbie cant fire a 30mm), and is outturned by everything but a Fw190A8.It has the worse range of Any plane in AH...
You can play the "survival" game very well in it, but if you want to engage cons you are in deep trouble. I dont give a ratz's bellybutton about people with 50 K/D in P51 or G10 as I know they stay high and out of touch unless they see a hopelessy alone plane with less E than him.
Sorry,for me the P51D is a way better arena plane than G10. And by much. H2H I admit that 109G10 does hold its own if flown properly, but ask Hangtime how did he felt on a G10 after the duel with hristo.
THe P51 can do fast dive bounces, and pull away, the P51 can win some angles if needed with the wise use of combat flaps, and its speed allows it to chose the terms of engagement...
And P51 acceleration is near that of G10 in a 0G dive. Few people notice it but the dive qualities of the P51 are simply awesome, because its low drag and good hispeed handling.
And I wont say anything about range, as we all know about it.
so for me the P51 is, hands down, best arena plane than G10.
Fw190D9 will be a very good plane for AH planeset, but I still think that P51 has the advantage over it. P51 will have better turning (with flaps) than D9, will be faster, and will have more firepower. Only advantages of D9 will be climbrate (and not by much),rollrate and acceleration. For me the P51D will be better, but the gap will be narrowed with the 190.
And dont tell me the 190A5 is better plane than P51. A5 cant dictate the terms of an engagement while P51 can. 190A5 cant disengage a combat when in inferiority while P51 can. A5 manouvers better than P51, but so does too Spitfire IX and it isnt better than P51D.
About SpitXIV I'll break for once my own compromise of not messing with it again... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
You first say that 109G10 is the best plane here and then you say that you want a G10 with more and better weapons (2 hispanos and 2 50 cals), with better climbrate at some altitudes,better cockpit visibility, and with the maneouverability and turnrate of the Spitfire IX?.
All planes in AH have advantages and Drawbacks. Spitfire XIV wont have any serious drawback. Its a perk plane.
Sorry if you dont like it, but I feel it that way.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-14-2000).]
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duplicate post for some reason (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 08-14-2000).]
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My Grandfather and a Great Uncle fought the Germans in WW1. My great uncle was in a Canadian Regiment that stormed Vimy ridge in 1917.
My father was with the SeaBees in WW11 island hopping, nice tropical places like Gualdalcanal (after the fighting) Bouganville (during the fighting) Letye (on the beach).
My squad flys whatever they want too, and I have no problem with a squad mate flying a Kraut Uber plane if he or she wants too. (it seems every SIM likes to beef up the Kraut planes, none worse than Red Baron though) And on squad nights we all try out the same new plane. If it is a Kraut plane, well I fly it, just to get a feel for the performance. But there is something about an airplane with the Swastika on it that goes against my grain. (I don't feel the same about WW1 planes for some reason, maybe because Germany wasn't Nazi at the time. But I still prefer to fly Allied).
Since I was a combat Marine in real life, I have a deep love for the F4U. It was a Marines plane, and I will learn to master it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Your mileage may vary.
BTW I loved Tie Fighter much more than X-Wing. Heheh the "Secret Order of the Emporer" what a great story line (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by RAM:
Disagree Karnak. 109G10 has the weaker weapons set in AH excluding C202.30mm not considered here as a weapon of choice for a newbie. (Yak9 has more punch as its guns are better). It has the weakest elevator response in AH,
Not to forguet the little cockpit. Seems good but you cant move inside it.
THe reasons you give for it being the best plane in AH are: speed climbrate and acceleration. You say that with those only you cant be touched. And I must agree with you. If you dont want to fight, the 109G10 will make you untouchable. But happens that most of us want to engage, not only rtb alive. Once engaged in a close combat the 109G10 is easy meat if you play your cards well and the G10 stays fighting (wich, again, most of LW nuts we do).
The G10 simply CANT bounce a con, as compression makes the bounce impossible. Simply CANT engage a buff unless it has a 30mm on board (but a newbie cant fire a 30mm), and is outturned by everything but a Fw190A8.It has the worse range of Any plane in AH...
You can play the "survival" game very well in it, but if you want to engage cons you are in deep trouble. I dont give a ratz's bellybutton about people with 50 K/D in P51 or G10 as I know they stay high and out of touch unless they see a hopelessy alone plane with less E than him.
And dont tell me the 190A5 is better plane than P51. A5 cant dictate the terms of an engagement while P51 can. 190A5 cant disengage a combat when in inferiority while P51 can. A5 manouvers better than P51, but so does too Spitfire IX and it isnt better than P51D.
I don't like 30mm even in buff hunt...
I don't hesitate to attack buff even if I have just 2x13mm left.
I did once with 109G-2 engage on buff with just pair of 7.92mm, I emptied all rounds within 100 yards on same spot, didnt go down but I got credited of it as someone killed it before I landed (lol, that was one luck that the pilot didn't shoot back and I were there hanging behind several seconds! my only time ever with 7.92mm and lol..)
That weak elevator response makes up for me at times; It makes up as greater accuracy for me.
btw. my problem with Yak-9 is that it has more sensitive controls over 109 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I've never really had problems with the cockpit views.
I have managed to maintain 4 kills per sortie average in 109s.
Most kills from one sortie has been 13 in 109G10. (heh, I don't own pedals (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif))
I would trade P51 to P38J anyday (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I tell you that 190A-8 is better than P-51, I have proved that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
and then a note..
** during the make of this message there weren't animals injured or ... **
.. wrong message..
** do not take this as brag message, I am telling of my experience about 109 and 190, from whos experience I could tell if not mine? **
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+:
But there is something about an airplane with the Swastika on it that goes against my grain.
I hope that FAF 'swastika' does not belong into your caterogy of your talking.
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Er, G10 challenging? Lets see, 2nd fastest plane in Aces High, best climber in Aces high...which means, anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will , half your battle is already won for you....hmmmm, a challenge is a FW190A8, or F4U-1D, most DEFINATELY not the G10.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Er, G10 challenging? Lets see, 2nd fastest plane in Aces High, best climber in Aces high...which means, anytime you can engage, and disengage the enemy at will , half your battle is already won for you....hmmmm, a challenge is a FW190A8, or F4U-1D, most DEFINATELY not the G10.
F4U is the third faster plane on the deck (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) well, at least if we forget about tiffie, but those arent very common (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
G10 is a challenge because is hard to kill with it. Its anemic firepower is the main reason, but the slow rollrate and bad turning make a lot of it too.
Fishu we all know you are a top ace in AH, so you can raise 4 kills each sortie in 109G10. I am an average pilot and I am proud if I land a 2 kill sortie in it (this is not an irony. A guy who raises a 350+ kill streak in a Fw190A8 is for me a real ace).
Rip, I said it before, as long as the G10 wants to live over fighting then it will live. Same is aplicable for the P51 and it is also a challenging and demaning plane (but much much less than G10)
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FAF used the swastika, after all it is a very old symbol.
I have a personal problem with ME flying something with a swastika. It is personal, it has to do with my own life experiences and my own belief system. If you want to fly a RAF,Russian AF, and Italian Plane, FAF, a Nazi plane or a Jap plane (I won't fly those either) well go for it. I really have no opinion on your belief system, or what kind of character you want to play.
Remember this is a role playing game. We are playing the role of WW2 fighter pilot. Just like you may play an Evil Sorcerer, or a White Knight in a D&D game, here you can play a Rabid Pro-Nazi Luftwaffe ACE. You may enjoy that role, and as long as you are having fun, go for it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I choose not to play the role of LW pilot for personal reasons. I like to play the role of a dashing RAF Pilot or a hard-assed Marine F4U pilot. I feel good flying a Spit, looking for Krauts, or in a F4U looking for Japs. For various reasons I do not feel good playing the role of Nazi, or of an Imperialist Japanese Pilot.
AH is a game, it is an escape into virtual reality. Just because you fly a 109 in AH, doesn't make you a Nazi in real life, anymore than playing an Evil Wizard in a MUD makes you a satanist in real life.
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Ram, for all the LW pilots that complain about weak guns, I can show you hit percentages that are .07 or lower. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Weak guns or lousy shots?
I'll give the G10 a low mark for roll rate, but speed and climbrate outweighs roll by a long shot and make up for bad roll by far.
Funny, never heard Hristos complain about weak guns, nor me, and my K/D ratio in LW iron is anything but average.
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LOL Rip...letting apart the fact that I'm not the best shooter in AH (lol) I do jabo quite a lot and do a lot of straffe passes on deacked fields...
and you know what happens when you fire at ground targets don't you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I shoot only with cannons, and use a lot MG to scare the running cons...so another thing that lowers my %...
and it is still a 5% or so. And I am happy with it, I assure you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW My shooting has improved a lot since I started flying G10 on the MA in a regular basis (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) now in the 190 I hit much more than before (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I have no trouble with ground targets with LW iron, if you're talking about tanks, then you're hitting them in the wrong spot.
(Remember when tanks were introduced we did all those Jabos near A13? Well, the guns havent changed since then, but the tank hull thickness has)
When I flew the A8, I flew primarily with 2X20's not 4X20's and never complained about the guns, however I DID complain about the hispanos, which apparently they found an oops in the code and have since corrected.
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Well...I may be better or worse shooter,but what I say is that the guns are weak because when i see ping flashes I know I have hit.
So if I say that the guns are weak its because I know what happens (exactly what DOESNT happen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) when I have hit.
BTW as I said before I fire only cannons, so ALL the flashes I see are from cannons.
On the ground thing matter, no I dont mind about tanks. To attack them with mausers is worthless so I dont expend my ammo for nothing. The A13 Jabo in Fw190A8 was done with 30mm on board,Rip...and it is now a worthless gun for Tank hunting (as it should be,seems)
What I mean is that when straffing ground structures in fields the round is counted as no-hit, regardless of if it hits or it doesnt. So bassically any straffing on ground structures WILL lower your hit % regardless if you hit the structures or you don't.
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Ah, I understand your ground strafing complaint with hit %.
"Well...I may be better or worse shooter,but what I say is that the guns are weak because when i see ping flashes I know I have hit."
That could be a number of things Ram. It could be your connection. It could be V-Sync Off in your video card, it could be your distance to the target, it could be alot of things besides the hard-code of the game. So why do you bottle it and say its the guns?
I personally have just as much success with Mauser 20mm as I do with Hispano 20mm.
I see flashes from Hispano 20mm too on wings, it doesn't always go down. Distance is certainly a factor. Seems once I get inside of 300 yards (where a good pilot will have a better chance of lethal hits) both Hispanos and Mauser give me no problems at all.
And I only know of 2 LW flyers that continually cry about the guns, so, that tells me *something*... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
And I only know of 2 LW flyers that continually cry about the guns, so, that tells me *something*... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I may sound as stupid...but what is this something????
and now that I'm into it...who is the other guy who "cries" about guns?...fer sure not fishu.
BTW everytime I fly AH I am running Ping Plotter simultaneously. When I see packet loss I dont say anything.
There is no such thing as a V-sync on my video card settings, so dunno about it.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-14-2000).]
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RAM,
I landed my first kill in a Bf109G-10. I was bounced on my climb out by a Spit IX (according to recent posts he should have been able to turn and chase me down after I avoided his head-on, but he couldn't). I did a shallow dive to get a 109 among a pack of red with no green in sight, but he evaded. I zoom climbed up, turned and went back at the pack (Spit still following), got a P-38 and extended away with the Spit still after me. A P-38 joined him but I outran both and landed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The most kills I have ever landed is 2. I've doen that 3 times in the Bf109G-10 and once in the Fw190A-5. I have never landed a kill in any other fighter. My kill/Death rate isn't even close to 1 to 1 in any fighter, so don't count me as a strato player. I like to get in and mix it up. The G-10 gives me the speed, climb, and acceleration to get out after getting a kill. I have never found the firepower on the G-10 to be lacking. I have compressed and died once while diving on a con.
I was not asking for the Spitfire Mk F.XIV in my post. I have stopped asking for it as it proved to be too contentious a request. I was merely naming the two fighters, Fw190D-9 and Spitfire Mk F.XIV, that I thought could displace the Bf109G-10 as the best fighter in AH. The Mustang has proved to be a death trap for me, it can't climb.
Sisu
-Karnak
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It's all about the pilot, not the plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But I have to agree that BF109G10 is one of the best planes in MA, and so is FW190A5. Btw, I don't find these plane to be more challanging to fly then, for example, P-51 or P-47. Each has it's own weakness and it's stregth. If you an average flier, you should have no problem flying either plane after an introductory 2-3 weeks.
Learn to fly La-5, it has more challange then many other planes - it's not the turning plane, and it doesn't have that super speed that would let you escape from late war planes. Did I meantion it drinks fuel as fast as Russians drink vodka (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Pretty much every mid war plane in AH now gives more challange to fly and stay alive, then any late war model.
mx22
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Just wondering, How many sorties have you guys actually flown in the G10? I messed around on the score page and found karnak had a lifetime of 29? sorties. Is this right? Tell me you fly under another handle. karnak's record is 12 kills for 17 deaths. Doesn't look like an easy plane there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And fishu, you flew much of beta tour 1 in the G10 with an impressive 123 kills for 3 deaths. But not much after that. Keep in mind these were flown with the flaps that worked at any speed against opponents who spent most of their time in other games. There weren't many quality full time pilots here because of the infancy of the game, etc.
No offense fellas, but everybody has an opinion, more experienced ones carry more weight. I've been flying the G10 as my primary plane since beta tour 1. I have 1573 kill to 648 death (which sux, too much augering (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
It is still a challenge to fly. It has 2 great strengths, speed and climb to compensate everything else. If it were so easy, why are there a handful in the arena every night?
PS, this isnt a shot at anyone, please dont take offense...
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This is not an anti-LW post.
AH is heavily biased towards fast planes with big guns due to some choices by the designers.
If you want a challenge, fly the A6M5. It's got a terrible roll rate, pathetic speed, and crappy armament. I'd like to see some of the stat-queens put up their pretty numbers in this pig.
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hblair,
No offence taken. I only fly under the name "Karnak". I don't have a lot of free time to fly so my total numbers are always going to be very small. I've spent more time in the Bf109G-10 than anything else and have been much more successful with it. My record is that bad because I don't have much time to fly and hence am not very good.
For example, as most of you know that I am a Spitfire fan, I have 8 kills and 22 deaths in the Spitfire MkIX starting in tour 4. I didn't fly the Spitfire in Tour 6 at all and have tried it again in Tour 7, for a 2 and 5 record. Most of my Spitfire MkIX time was done in Tour 5 where I had a 5 to 14 record with it.
The more I fly, the more time I spend in the Bf109G-10. The fact that someone as bad as me has a 12 to 17 record with an aircraft indicates to me that it is a powerful aircraft. It will be a long time before I can build up what you might consider statistical evidence, but not all of us have that much free time.
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Funked,
that is exactly right. That is why I find the Spitfire MkIX to be enemic, it is certainly better than many aircraft in AH due to its good guns and E retention, but I still can't survive a mision in it. Most people seem to fly P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, F4U-1Cs and Bf109G-10s, all things that the Spitfire can't outrun or out climb, which can usally do what they want with it (if it has me at the controls). Too often I have found that if I fly a Spit or Zero a group of faster planes will treat me as a free kill. If it was just one I might have a chance, but when 2, 3, 4 or even 5 aircraft are taking turns having a go at me it is just a matter of time. Because of this I find myself taking the fast planes more and more, the fact that the Bf109G-10 is the best climber is just icing on the cake.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 08-15-2000).]
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rgr that funked! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Whats free time karnak? I get 4 to 5 hours of sleep due to my habit.
I also have a family of 5 and am remodeling my house, not to mention working at least 10 hours a day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Karnak, if you want to land after each sortie, the G-10 is a good choice. It's easier to get kills in the Spit IX than in the Messer but harder to land them!
I wish we had a 1942 or 1943 arena. Spits and Typhoons vs. Fw 190A-5 and Me 109F would be a blast.
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Originally posted by funked:
I wish we had a 1942 or 1943 arena. Spits and Typhoons vs. Fw 190A-5 and Me 109F would be a blast.
If it is a 42-43 arena then you must put there G2 and G6 too, funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hblair I agree with you, I have flown G10 a lot lately on MA, it has a terrifying acceleration ,but it is hard as hell to fly with that damned lack of elevator response.
It is an engine with wings. And so is a brick to maneouver. I remember Hangtime's comments when he was flying the G10. (I was in bishland at the time). He said it was the most treacherous plane he had ever seen ,and that the respect for people flying it had grow a lot after his "bad experience" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
That doesnt sound that well, does it?
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Originally posted by hblair:
And fishu, you flew much of beta tour 1 in the G10 with an impressive 123 kills for 3 deaths. But not much after that. Keep in mind these were flown with the flaps that worked at any speed against opponents who spent most of their time in other games. There weren't many quality full time pilots here because of the infancy of the game, etc.
I did fly G10 last time in 1.03, I didn't see anything bad in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Better than ever (even though those air brakes are missing)
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Originally posted by RAM:
I remember Hangtime's comments when he was flying the G10. (I was in bishland at the time). He said it was the most treacherous plane he had ever seen ,and that the respect for people flying it had grow a lot after his "bad experience" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
That doesnt sound that well, does it?
That sounds unbelievable to me..
Hangtime, the true allied fanatic, having even some respect for those guy eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Come on Fishu...not a flamewar here.
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Originally posted by RAM:
Come on Fishu...not a flamewar here.
Krhm.. that was kidding
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Hehe. That is why I love to shot down LW planes -- because they are so uber (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It is a real pleasure to find a pack of LW planes, get few and then run away from others in my slow spit...
But actually combination of g10 and a5 is one of the toughest in the game. If they have expirience pilots at controls -- they are deadly.
Fariz