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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on November 10, 2005, 01:59:57 AM
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Anyone know the story on this shootdown? specifically the reccovery of the remains?
I just viewed the footage taken from "AQ in Iraq" showing the remains of the two marine airmen as the AQ monkeys tried to remove the bodies from the still burning wreckage......
Were the bodies recovered by friendly forces? Anyone know?
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How did "monkeys" manage to shoot down the cobra? Missile, RPG or gunfire?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How did "monkeys" manage to shoot down the cobra? Missile, RPG or gunfire?
Their quite intellegent over there I hear..
:noid
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Their quite intellegent over there I hear..
:noid
Must be.
Either the monkyes are intelligent or the equipment they use to fight monkeys are junk. ;)
Why fight with monkeys anyway? Did the monkey steal the banana from the snake..err cobra, or did the snake try to steal the banana from the monkey?
Was there monkey-loving involved?
Were was the zoo-keeper in all of this?
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Here is what the Newswires are carrying. My most sincere condolences to the families of these young men, who will see what no family should ever see.
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DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda in Iraq on Tuesday posted an Internet video apparently showing the bodies of two U.S. Marines killed in a military helicopter which the group said it had shot down.
Several men were shown gathering around the burning helicopter, pulling out two bodies in military fatigues and collecting communications equipment and other debris strewn around the twisted wreckage.
A statement, posted along with the video on an Islamic Web site, said it showed the Super Cobra helicopter which al Qaeda said it shot down with a missile in Ramadi on Wednesday.
The U.S. military has said it was investigating reports by residents that the helicopter was hit by a missile, caught fire and broke apart in the air before crashing.
A Reuters photographer in Ramadi last week said the helicopter appeared to have crashed into a house, which suffered some damage.
Ramadi, about 110 km (70 miles) west of Baghdad in the Sunni Arab province of Anbar, has seen some of the worst fighting in the insurgency that erupted after the 2003 U.S.-
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I was a bit surprized I guess....I would have thought that friendly ground forces would have at least been near enough to secure the wreckage, or at least attack the gathering crowd with stand off weapons.....Hellfires.
Seems like this helo was operating alone.
Monkee was a poor choice of words I agree. I have a lot of respect for primates and slandering them like that was simply uncalled for.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I was a bit surprized I guess....I would have thought that friendly ground forces would have at least been near enough to secure the wreckage, or at least attack the gathering crowd with stand off weapons.....Hellfires.
They're Marines. If there was a way to get to the bodies they would have been there. Firing missiles, rockets and guns into a crowd of people mixed with combatants and non-combatants isn't the way any Marines I know would have gone about doing it.
If they were operating alone then there would be no other Marines nearby to go get them. In order to retrieve the bodies from a situation like that you either need a calm crowd (being in a crowd does not designate them combatants) or overwhelming force projected on a small area.
I'm sure there is plenty we do not know about the situation and I'm glad it's that way. The right people will handle it and I have the full confidence in the guys on the ground and those in charge over there that this will not go without a suitable response done very precisely to those involved.
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This is from the Centcom casualty report:
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November 2, 2005
Release Number: 05-11-02C
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TWO MARINES KILLED IN SUPER COBRA CRASH NEAR AR RAMADI
CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq – Two Marines assigned to the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (Forward), II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), were killed in action today when their AH-1W “Super Cobra” helicopter crashed near Ar Ramadi at approximately 8:15 a.m.
The incident occurred while the two-man crew was flying in support of security and stabilization operations.
Multi-National Force Iraq personnel have secured the site. Recovery operations are ongoing.
The cause of the crash is under investigation.
The names of the deceased are being withheld pending notification of next of kin and release by the Department of Defense.
FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS RELEASE, CONTACT THE II MARINE EXPEDITIONARY FORCE PUBLIC AFFIARS OFFICE AT CEPAOWO@CEMNF-WIRAQ.USMC.MIL.
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The men killed were Maj. Gerald M. Bloomfield II and Marine Capt. Michael D. Martino. Both of Marine Light-Attack Helicopter Squadron 369, Marine Aircraft Group 39, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton, attached to the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force.
Both were recovered and are scheduled to be buried at Arlington.
Their Guest Books are located online here, with pics from happier days:
Bloomfield (http://www.legacy.com/washingtonpost/GuestBook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=15589707)
Martino (http://www.legacy.com/washingtonpost/GuestBook.asp?Page=GuestBook&PersonID=15589708)
Jihad - 611 AD - 2005 AD - it keeps going and going and going...
- SEAGOON
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Hell with politics, just gun down anyone they see and gets the war over with. They want to play dirty, so can we. Put some of our B52's to use and start carpet bombing iraq
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thanks seagoon
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Maybe it's just me, but helicopters, no matter how advanced they are, seem to be a liability.
Two good men. Gone. I'll remember them when they are firing the 105's on the commons tomorrow(today)
~S~ to all you veterans out there, happy Veterans Day
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Anything that flies below 10000' AGL is vulnerable to manpads, fixed wing or crazy spinning ones.
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those sandal wearing pieces of trash around that downed cobra are aiding and abeting the enemy, which means they all should die
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How did "monkeys" manage to shoot down the cobra? Missile, RPG or gunfire?
our National security agency reported, that one of them sit on the banana, core slip out and hit the supermegaultranondestroyableh yperstealth choper.
Dont try to confort with our NSA i warn you.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Why fight with monkeys anyway?
ummm you should live few years in South Africa republic.
When they loot your fridge for 50. , then you might put jihad on them.
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I picture non combatants those tha twould stand off to the side. Not those that gather around the wreckage rejoicing, and looting the site.
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those sandal wearing pieces of trash around that downed cobra are aiding and abeting the enemy, which means they all should die
It's "Embedding" :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I picture non combatants those tha twould stand off to the side. Not those that gather around the wreckage rejoicing, and looting the site.
Then ya see a picture of young kids clearly overjoyed, hands raised in the air, jumping up and down next to a destroyed Geländerwagen where a soldier lost his life.
Of course the only reasonable solution is to bomb them to smithereens. Oh wait, I got "reasonable" mixed up with "emotional".
From the vets I've talked to here, they don't shoot at the kids (who are the same ones that kept running after them asking for candy the day before). They'll take it out on anyone deemed hostile.