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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tikky on November 11, 2005, 12:08:05 AM
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Spit 14 is a dog. spit 14 flies like 109s. Spit 16 is way better in every way and and will be overused. Spit 8 is almost same as spit 14 in climb roll and turn except speed.
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Nah, they both need perking. The spit14 was perked for a big reason. That reason still exists. The Spit16 will probably be perked because the same reason, but a greater level of need.
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It's funny, I see spit 16s flying at 16k hunting for that head-on instead of whipping on the 3k LA-7s
If you're gonna fly at 16k, THEN fly a spit 14 and you'l realize it's even better for your one chance head on shot.
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Booz,
Actually 16,000ft is just about optimum altitude for the Spit VIII or Spit XVI. Spit XIV doesn't hit optimum altitude until over 25,000ft.
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and yet they all still suck at their one chance head on shots
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Well, their mistake is going for the HO. It is a stupid option unless you literally have no other choice.
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Jeez you guys. Perk the XVI? Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up. The old V is gone now. The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.
Unperk em all and quit whining about this plane doing more then you want it to. The XVI isn't uber, it's competitive with the other latewar birds in the arena.
Remember it's an LFIX with an American made Merlin 266 instead of a Rolls Merlin 66. Call it an LFIX and it's a mid 43 design.
The big difference is that it has the E wing, and wing hardpoints for ground attack as the LFXVI was used for that a lot in 44-45. So was the LFIX which came off the production line alongside it. It's only the engine maker that determined the Mark number. English Merlin, it's an LFIX, American Merlin it's an LFXVI
So get off the perk it routine. Heaven help us if the RAF fans actually had a Spit that was unperked 44-45 timeframe.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Jeez you guys. Perk the XVI? Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up. The old V is gone now. The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.
Unperk em all and quit whining about this plane doing more then you want it to. The XVI isn't uber, it's competitive with the other latewar birds in the arena.
Remember it's an LFIX with an American made Merlin 266 instead of a Rolls Merlin 66. Call it an LFIX and it's a mid 43 design.
The big difference is that it has the E wing, and wing hardpoints for ground attack as the LFXVI was used for that a lot in 44-45. So was the LFIX which came off the production line alongside it. It's only the engine maker that determined the Mark number. English Merlin, it's an LFIX, American Merlin it's an LFXVI
So get off the perk it routine. Heaven help us if the RAF fans actually had a Spit that was unperked 44-45 timeframe.
:aok
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Flying the XIV in amongst the horde of XVI's I felt the XIV was simply better ... maybe not quite so easy to fly on the edge, but you were always carrying more E, and could still turn enough to get your shots or avoid a bounce. And then if you did start to get into trouble, just hit the WEP and you're gone.
My experience flying the P-51B/D against them was "just another slow spitfire" ... no real noticeable difference - just more targets that posed no serious threat.
So based on performance, I don't think the XVI or VIII deserve a perk - as for how much they get used we'll have to wait and see. They certainly do make a whole lot of airplanes feel obsolete now in the a2a role though (see N1k, Ki84,C205, P38, P47, Yak 9t etc).
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I'd only say perk it to prevent overuse, but they don't do that with the La7, so...
Sure is fun to kill La7s with them though :aok
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I can eat a spit16 alive with a spit 5.....spit 16 is not that good
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Jeez you guys. Perk the XVI? Heaven forbid there was a Spit that might keep up. The old V is gone now. The XVI still isn't going to catch LA7s going flat out on the deck.
Can't you see that little flow in your logic? Spit 16 will catch lot of other planes, and when it does, it will outperform them in dogfight. Against spit5 you could break out when situation was against you. If spit V crowd wull switch to spit 16 it would be more or less ok, but in fact what probably will happen spit 16 will get lot of people switched from their usual rides. MA is more interesting when planeset is diverse. Make is dominated with one plane, and it is borring. It was with hogc few years ago, it was with la7 before the fuel burn multiplier changed, and now it may happen with spit 16 and spits generally. Do you really like to see every second plane in arena to be spit? I do not want it. It is Aces High, not Spits Low.
Lets wait and see. AH has many factors to consider, and to know if plane is popular you shall wait for couple weeks. After release many planes performanse was overestimated. I saw "perk it" post about il2 after release. But according to what I see 16 will end perked.
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as long as planes like the LA7 and K4 are not perked, there's no reason to perk the XVI. It IS too good vs. most planes but so are the former two.
The previous situation where the perk-free RAF was 42-43 at best was ridiculous. Personally I'd like to see all 44-45 planes perked to some degree so the areana would shift toward 1943 and even early-war birds could have a shot at surviving.
Surviving now with the P47D11 when the spits are as fast as you are is going to be hard.
Bozon
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Well the P-47's are hard to use where the spits fly, the P-47 I find is good in two roles, either low alt escorted attack, or as a very high alt fighter, at 20K and above is where I find the P-47, the N most of all, damn near being a god among the AH lineup. Same goes for the P-51D (The B is alright at alt).
The spit 8 and 16 seem to be more of a low alt only type of fighter, I know the 16 is for sure, but the 8 I'm not totally sure about thats just what I'm getting from these forms. The mk8 I don't think should be perked from what I've noticed flying, but the 16 is a low alt beast without much of a drawback that I've seen yet...
Lots of people talk about the same thing with the Ki-84, but it's main drawback is speed, it doesn't handle it well at all and you can easly use that to your advantage. The Mk8 and 9 seem to have only slight disadvantages in speed to turn if any to most planes and if not it's got one way better then the other. The Mk16 seems just as good as a mk14 but for low alt use, the lower alt engine, clipped wings and new rudder it's freaky at low alt! It's turn rate seems to be lacking slightly from the clipped wings but the powerful engine seems to be able to keep it moving even well hanging on a stall!
I think the Mk16 should be perked just the same as the Mk14, the Mk8 I'm don't know enough about but I find it to be a sweet looking ride (lol) and the rest seem just fine now that the Mk5 has been toned down, I've noticed the total lack of engine power.
I find the Seafire to be perfect! It has a good perfomance zone that I really like now and that tail hook looks freakin' awesome! lol
Edward
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Guys, rember when you where kids...... on Christmas day & you got the toy you wanted all year round........ & you played with it all day with A massive smile on your face, well then don't take my toy away :(
I flew the Spitfire Mk9 before this patch, but I need A new Spitfire to fly, one that could keep up with the fast planes & not be an easy target for the Nippy planes, (& look as cool as the Spitfire does of course) I'm tired of people trying to rope & pick me & I'm tired of runners & im even more tired of thoes Spitfire Mk5's, A6M5's Hurry2c's that could out turn me in the end. The Spitfire Mk16 is that plane :), So give it A month & see how the plane fits in, & just leave it up to Hitech, they know what they are doing.
P.S you never know, the new Spitfire Mk16 may but the High back into Aces High, I can see it now, Spitfire Mk16's, 109G14's P51B/D's all in the sky, where they belong. :O
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Is the Spit16 an awsome plane? Definatly, its fantastic.
Should it be perked? No.
Why?
Well it does not outclass unperked rides like G14, K4, Dora, La7 and Pony. The MA is a late war base lined arena. As long as the base line is late war these rides will be unperked.
I wouldnt mind, would actually prefer, a late 42-43 base lined arena and hence all the mentioned planes pereked. But that wount happen and since that wount happen the Spit16, which is in the performance group of the mentioned planes, should stay unperked.
Tex
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I have a feeling the K4 will end up perked, thats an outstanding ride, it was rare near the end of the war as far as I know, (Which so was the N1k and the F4u-1C so I don't see why the N1k isn't perked) thought the K4 has limited options it's performance is somewhere near a skyrocket! lol I do wonder how much use it'll get only being able to have the 13mm and the 30mm cannon, you can hit a few bombers with that load out but fighers are a little harder, and 2x 13mm guns is a poor setup against 6x .50 cals, or 2-4x 20mm cannon...
Edward
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do not perk the spit 16.
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unperk them all - I have over 5k of fighter perks which I never use
unperk them and make it a rolling plane set so you don't have '39/40 planes going against '44/45 ones
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Originally posted by Eagler
unperk them all -
I would agree....unperk all spits............see what happens..........then apply perks accordingly.
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LOL just perk the jets unperk the rest
RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Eagler
unperk them and make it a rolling plane set so you don't have '39/40 planes going against '44/45 ones
Dreams, dreams... Never comes true, unfortunately :(
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The planes are new. They're letting everybody try them out for a week or so. Then HT will perk them as he sees fit. End of discussion.
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I really like the new drop tanks on the spits. I also love the roll rate of the Spit 16... way kewl!!
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Wondered how long it be till the first "perk the XVI" comment.
Look at it this way-
Take a 1943 LF IXe with a Merlin 66, put an American built Merlin 266 in it.
Realise that different tooling is required.
In order to differentiate call it a XVI.
Was ONLY called a LF XVIe to differentiate between it and the LF IXe because different tooling was required, they are the SAME aircraft.
I am assuming you said unperk the XIV and perk the XVI because of the numbers, i.e. XVI is higher than XIV.
XIV is a Griffon engined Spit, try flying the XVI at XIV alts (25k+), a XIV will eat it alive.
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If you perk Spit or 109 you need to perk the Lgay,for me i would perk all planes have enough perks for3 years of flight :cool:
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Originally posted by Fariz
Lets wait and see. AH has many factors to consider, and to know if plane is popular you shall wait for couple weeks. After release many planes performanse was overestimated. I saw "perk it" post about il2 after release. But according to what I see 16 will end perked.
LOL exactly. The plane has been out for hours not days, and already people are crying perk. I actually feel more in control of a 2-3 on 1 in a spit9 than I did a spit16. When you get that slow you're in the the long haul till death do you part. It cant tuck tail and run away like an La7 can, it can accelerate but its not going to leave every other plane in the dust. Spit9 just turns that much better to get the shots to end the fight that much earlier.
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Umm, I've taken my Spit 14 against a couple of 16's. Haven't lost yet.
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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Wouldn't it be cool if perks were dynamic and based on type of plane in the air.
Like if there certain type of AC reaches 10% of all types in the air it automatically gets perked.
For really uber planes, like jets the value could be set much lover like 2% and early warbirds would be always free.
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wah wah wah, perk it because its good!!!!!
why perk the only free post 1943 fighter the brits have???? because it will pwn a few more things?? well thats what it was built to do, pwn things! stop whining, it is free and it will stay that way. the truth is that raf fighter design was ahead of its time in the midwar days. mustangs and all the late war planes are still faster, and the 16 wont turn too well. its just coz its new that lotsa people are flying it. it will calm down after a week, just like 47N
all the perk this threads should just get locked. all the same crud in them.
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the 16 is really rubbish it doesnt roll doesnt climb hope you guys dont perk it......
all figures are lies...
:aok
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Funny, and no offense intended, but I told a squaddie last night "Just wait, they'll be posting on the board tomorrow about how the Spit 16 needs to be perked and how it is uber and it is so unfair, blah, blah, blah..."
Well, it's tomorrow
:aok
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Sorry Blammo, but you were off by a day. The calls to perk the Spit XVI started by 19:30 Pac Standard Time last night. :p Maybe earlier, but I don't recall.
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It’s been out for less than a day and you guys already want it perked? Remember the P47-N and all the "UBER" cries that went out? Now I hardly see them. Give it a rest..cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :
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Just another reason to fly TOD.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Just another reason to fly TOD.. :rolleyes:
Yeah, that is an HTC dark conspiracy. =)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Wouldn't it be cool if perks were dynamic and based on type of plane in the air.
Like if there certain type of AC reaches 10% of all types in the air it automatically gets perked.
For really uber planes, like jets the value could be set much lover like 2% and early warbirds would be always free.
must you make sence all the time? STHU :furious
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I doubt if they will perk the Spit 16.
It is a very good airplane.
But it isn't as good a ride in the MA as a LA7.
It turns well at speed, has nasty firepower, and turns well on the deck. Flown right, it will be tough to beat. But it isn't going to outrun a fight like a LA or a Dora
None of the above is enough reason to perk the Spit16.
Although, come to think of it, those reasons were enough to perk the C Hog.
But then, I don't think there are any real emperical standards by which HT perks any ride. I think it is more a game-play issue dealing with how HT envisions he wants the arena to run.
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*cough* goes vertical far better than even the Ki84 *cough*
*cough* 5000+ fpm past 10k *cough*
*cough* turns like a spitfire *cough*
*cough* rolls like a 190 *cough*
*cough* beats almost every plane in acceleration *cough*
*cough* armed with 2x50cal and **2xhizookas** *cough*
*cough* not only can it chase down most planes, once *cough* it catches them it can easily kill them in the vertical or in turn fights *cough* with no effort at all *cough*
Spit14 is perked. Spit16 will be too. The spit16 is almost identical in most "uber areas" and even better in roll rate than the Spit14.
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Krusty,
It does not climb at 5,000+fpm. It doesn't do that at sea level and it certainly doesn't do that at 10,000ft.
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Well without WEP its pegged at 4000FPM. [EDIT: That's all the way to 10k, too] *WITH* wep who know?! 4750? 5000? Very little difference. It leaves almost everything else far far below and chowing on dust. I exaggerated, but the result is the same.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Well without WEP its pegged at 4000FPM. [EDIT: That's all the way to 10k, too] *WITH* wep who know?! 4750? 5000? Very little difference. It leaves almost everything else far far below and chowing on dust. I exaggerated, but the result is the same.
So which of the LW birds you want to perk Krusty? :)
Quick to perk the Spits. How bout the 109s? Bet those are underperforming from your perspective too :)
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You show me a 109 that needs perking and I'll agree. So far none have shown anywhere near the qualities of the 16.
Even you have to admit the spit16 is as good as the 14 in every area (speed difference is minimal), and better in roll rate. The 109s, it seems, got their effectiveness drastically reduced (losing gondolas on 2 planes, losing 30mm on G6, E4 rolls like a pig at all speeds, all 109s roll like pigs below 175mph).
Show me one, and defend why it needs perking.
You can't just say "If you want to perk a spit, then you have to perk a 109" because it doesn't work that way. They are not correlative. You might as well say "You want to perk a spit? Then you have to perk the La7!" -- in which case you might have an argument based on performance.
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its the pilot not the plane and the challenge is finding the balance between the two.........
its a game and lets have fun playing it.
Just dont perk stuff because poor pilots can't deal.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I doubt if they will perk the Spit 16.
Lets wait and see. I am not going to comment this matter for couple of weeks. Lets see what it will turn into. As of now I find spit 16 the very strong candidate for perking for the combination of its virtues, but, again, lets wait and see.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
its the pilot not the plane
Actually, in many cases, it *IS* the plane, not the pilot. The plane that keeps going up while every other plane in the game stalls out, the plane that keeps turning tightly (mindlessly, even) while others can't compete in circles, the plane that instantly kills the enemy with 1 ping (be it tempest quadzookas, or me262 quad 30mm), and the plane that outruns enemies or chases them down so they can't make it home safely.
Most cases it *IS* the plane, and most people that would get their arses handed to them in a 1v1 in the same plane actually do well in AH because the planes amplify all the pilot's skills, or don't amplify them, depending on the plane.
Being a good pilot is one thing, yes. Generally a good spit pilot is good in anything else. But a bad pilot in everything else suddenly becomes a good pilot in a spitfire (using the spit as an example).
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Originally posted by Krusty
*cough* not only can it chase down most planes, once *cough* it catches them it can easily kill them in the vertical or in turn fights *cough* with no effort at all *cough*
Really, all kinds of guys were out runnin me last night , even from a dive a couldnt catch most 190s, N1Ks, KIs, LAs, typh, 109s, ponies, get the point? Have you even flown it in the MA?
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**I CANNOT LOG IN** stupid sonuvva.... the damn game won't let me log in to MA or HTH. Sassafrassin'!!!!
It's plenty fast for me in offline testing.
EDIT: If you can't catch n1k2s or ki's you're not flying it right lol, those are both relatively slow planes. :)
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Originally posted by Krusty
You show me a 109 that needs perking and I'll agree. So far none have shown anywhere near the qualities of the 16.
Even you have to admit the spit16 is as good as the 14 in every area (speed difference is minimal), and better in roll rate. The 109s, it seems, got their effectiveness drastically reduced (losing gondolas on 2 planes, losing 30mm on G6, E4 rolls like a pig at all speeds, all 109s roll like pigs below 175mph).
Show me one, and defend why it needs perking.
You can't just say "If you want to perk a spit, then you have to perk a 109" because it doesn't work that way. They are not correlative. You might as well say "You want to perk a spit? Then you have to perk the La7!" -- in which case you might have an argument based on performance.
Using Widewing's Performance figures:
Speed with WEP at 50 feet flying with 25% gas I measured with E6B:
337 mph for Spit Mk.VIII
343 mph for Spit Mk.XVI
359 mph for Spit MK.XIV
369 mph for Bf 109K-4
347 mph for Bf 109G-14
337 mph for Bf 109G-6
304 mph for Spit Mk.Vb
303 mph for Seafire Mk.IIc
Time to Climb, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79
Appears the K4 is faster then all the Spits including the XIV. Guess that one ought to be perked then unless you are unperking the XIV. G14 is faster then all the Spits outside of the XIV. Better get that one too if you are gonna perk the XVI
Hows that for a start?
personally, I'd say unperk em all and let folks fly what they want to fly. The problem is that for folks who like Spits, the cry is always to send em back to 43 version because the 44-45 is too good for everyone else.
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It's a start but not much of one. I don't like his start speed of 300mph. That involves zoom climbing. I'd just take off at sea level, and autoclimb the second I hit autoclimb speed.
However you can't use speed alone. Look at the typhie. It's arguably one of the worst planes in the game, yet its fast. Great guns, but can't turn inside a football field.
Look at the dora. It's fast, sure, but most people hate it because it accelerates very poorly. And it can't turn under 175 without dropping a wing in a stall.
So speed alone isn't enough. The entire package must be considered. The 16, in my opinion, IS the entire package. The 109K4 is just speed, nothing else. Your mileage may vary, but that's not a LW plane that needs perking.
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Originally posted by Krusty
It's a start but not much of one. I don't like his start speed of 300mph. That involves zoom climbing. I'd just take off at sea level, and autoclimb the second I hit autoclimb speed.
However you can't use speed alone. Look at the typhie. It's arguably one of the worst planes in the game, yet its fast. Great guns, but can't turn inside a football field.
Look at the dora. It's fast, sure, but most people hate it because it accelerates very poorly. And it can't turn under 175 without dropping a wing in a stall.
So speed alone isn't enough. The entire package must be considered. The 16, in my opinion, IS the entire package. The 109K4 is just speed, nothing else. Your mileage may vary, but that's not a LW plane that needs perking.
So I lose the plane I want to fly because it has virtues that bother you but you keep yours cause my concern isn't enough? :)
As near as I can tell Krusty, from your postings, you prefer LW iron. Thats all well and good. More power to ya. But for those of us who prefer RAF iron for whatever reasons, mine being the history stuff, why must we lose out on the 44-45 birds consistantly?
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Originally posted by Krusty
*cough* goes vertical far better than even the Ki84 *cough*
An LA7 will outclimb a Ki84, and so I believe will a 109G10
*cough* 5000+ fpm past 10k *cough**[/QUOTE]
Er, I don’t think that is quite right?
*cough* turns like a spitfire *cough*[/QUOTE]
Well, it IS a Spitfire :)
*cough* rolls like a 190 *cough*[/QUOTE]
So does a Hog, although come to think of it, 2 of our 4 Hogs are perked, but that is only because the Hog is such a freakin’ amazing plane
*cough* beats almost every plane in acceleration *cough*[/QUOTE]
It doesn’t out accelerate a LA7, nor I doubt a NIKI, and I am not sure about the KI84.
*cough* armed with 2x50cal and **2xhizookas** *cough*[/QUOTE]
And some planes have 4X hizookas and aren’t perked.
*cough* not only can it chase down most planes, once *cough* it catches them it can easily kill them in the vertical or in turn fights *cough* with no effort at all *cough*[/QUOTE]
I think a good stick in a LA7 will hand a Spit16 pilot his nuts in a paper bag. Spit 9 will outturn it, and I bet the NIKI will tie a knot in a Spit16’s tail quite easily.
Spit14 is perked. Spit16 will be too. The spit16 is almost identical in most "uber areas" and even better in roll rate than the Spit14. [/QUOTE]
I think you may be wrong on that :)
*cough**cough*[/QUOTE]
You definitely need to do something about that nasty cold you have :(
I hope you get to feeling better soon :)
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Krusty has been screaming perk thhis plane since 8/05. Krusty why not give it a month or 2 to see the effect on MA. I figure once the newness factor goes away people will migrate back to there old rides anyway.
IMHO the eny should be the same as the la7 and thats it. Also the Mk IX, and V eny should now be upped a bit.
Bronk
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krusty, first off you dont even play in MA, and second you're a luftwobble dweeb with a biased opinion. whining because a plane has good performance is rediculus. its not even as good as you make it out. i guarantee that the spit16 will die down within a week
personally, i only see the point in perking the 262 and the 163, maybe the tempest very lightly.
id like to see everything else unperked for a short while to see how it goes
and the eny of the spit5 needs to be far higher, it sucks now. 25 is still too low
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Oh good Lord!
Stop yer crying and just fly and have fun.
Perking is ghey enough as it is no need to make it any more so.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Using Widewing's Performance figures:
Speed with WEP at 50 feet flying with 25% gas I measured with E6B:
337 mph for Spit Mk.VIII
343 mph for Spit Mk.XVI
359 mph for Spit MK.XIV
369 mph for Bf 109K-4
347 mph for Bf 109G-14
337 mph for Bf 109G-6
304 mph for Spit Mk.Vb
303 mph for Seafire Mk.IIc
Time to Climb, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79
Appears the K4 is faster then all the Spits including the XIV. Guess that one ought to be perked then unless you are unperking the XIV. G14 is faster then all the Spits outside of the XIV. Better get that one too if you are gonna perk the XVI
Hows that for a start?
personally, I'd say unperk em all and let folks fly what they want to fly. The problem is that for folks who like Spits, the cry is always to send em back to 43 version because the 44-45 is too good for everyone else.
Ah but Dan think about, at 18lbs it is a 1943 version (LF IXe), what they want is us in Sopwith Camels (even then there'd be a "perk it" cry for its turning performance)
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^^^^^
LMAO
Bronk
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The thing that gets me is the LW fanboys are worried about 5 min of 25 lb boost. Thats just SAD. Think about the average MA player . I'd bet that boost is all but gone before he even enters the fight. Then it becomes just another spit.
I can see it now . Dora driver to squad " I just compleated porkin troops 18 fields back.". Squad " wtg good job". Dorka driver "EEEEEEPPPPPP spit XVI diving on me and gaining fast please advise.". Squad " Stirr stick faster. then after he shoots ya down go to the bbs and post a perk spit XVI whine."
Bronk
I posted this back in august . Only thing i was wrong about was the 25 Lb boost.
Bronk
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Dan, why are you bothering with this retard?
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Originally posted by Bronk
Krusty has been screaming perk thhis plane since 8/05
Not so. I've not been screaming to perk anything. When the topic has come up in the past few weeks I've said that it should probably be perked due to its performance. I've not screamed anything. In fact, it was only after more info came to light that I felt the 16 might not need perking. Now looking at the completed flight model I go back to my original statement.
Guppy, consider the pilot of the P40. Would a P40E pilot know when a plane is too powerful? Perhaps. Would a a6m pilot know when a plane is too powerful? Perhaps. I don't always prefer LW. I like some of 'em. But I try to avoid most planes lumped into the "uber" class. Axis, allied, whatever the plane. So, perhaps I can tell when a plane is too powerful?
Not logically sound to say this, but perhaps those that only fly the "uber" class of planes can't tell because they're blinded to it? That's another conversation :)
AK, I got some cough drops, I'm fine lol.
EDIT:
"krusty, first off you dont even play in MA, and second you're a luftwobble dweeb with a biased opinion."
Um.. let's se.. Wrong. Wrong. and.. oh, that's right, WRONG. Wrong on 3 counts. Thank you, come again.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Um.. let's se.. Wrong. Wrong. and.. oh, that's right, WRONG. Wrong on 3 counts. Thank you, come again.
ha ha ha, what a comic.:aok
i aint got nothing against LW, infact 40% of my kills last tour were in 109's. what i do hate is when people who fly LW think that HT is biased towards the allies. that is a crock of cheesee. perk this threads are old news, and after several years still haven't had an impact on the perk status of planes. why dont you people learn. HT has decided on it, he's made the right calls time and time again, just trust him and leave it. if it gets outta hand he will adjust it. please, everyone relax and have a little fun, dont spend your time on the BB complaining, you'll live longer:aok
sorry krusty, i dont mean to sound offensive. btw, i like those 2 new 110 skins of yours, they look really good:)
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well said Poo....
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From 8/3/05
Originally posted by Kev367th
1K3 - Would prefer 25lbs non-perked: No reason to perk it, it is still not what you would call a speed demon compared to the top 4. In fact as I stated earlier, its two historical opponents (190/109) are still both faster even with the XVI using 150 grade fuel. Only BIG difference is the increase in climb rate, OK it make the climb outstanding, but don't all the mostly used aircraft in the MA have one outstanding feature.
G10 has great climb - It's not perked.
D9 has good level speed and long WEP - It's not perked.
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Consider the difference between 4500fpm on the G10 (which is about what our spit14 has now, I think 4500-ish is the highest any plane in AH at the moment can climb) and 5700fpm listed for the +25 Spit16. I call that a BIG difference. Couple that with one of the tightest turning aircraft in the game, with a pair of the strongest guns in the game (hispanos) add to that a top speed capable of chasing down a 190D (perhaps in a shallow dive, but close enough) and I think that makes it one of the fastest planes in the game, that can turn the tightest circles, that can rocket into space without even straining, and can kill anything with 1-2 hits.
I sure as heck HOPE it gets a perk!
Spit14 is dangerous enough. Plus by the time doras and G10s showed up there were P47s and P51s to chase them down, so it's not like you're going to totally be limitd only to spits. Also consider that by the time Doras and G10s were around, so were typhoons and tempests. Both far faster than the most common spits.
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Thanx for playing Krusty but you are wrong again.
Also for the record thats not my quote in your last entry.
Bronk
ps
I'd link both threads but i am not sure how.
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While I might promote LW planes here and there, I don't think there's any conspiracy by HTC or anything like that. I agree with your sentiments on that matter.
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Bronk you can just paste a URL and it will automaticlly become a link.
No, the quote was from poo. The post I made had responses to about 5 people, not just you :)
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I really don't see a need to perk any of the new additions flew em all lastnight. All of em have their strengths and weaknesses. But I would not call any of them UBER rides. All are late war rides and I don't see em as anymore then flavor of the month rides. I think some of the current rides that are perked should be unperked though. When that happens It will balance the game out more. :cool:
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Krusty you have a pm.
Bronk
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Originally posted by uberhun
. All are late war rides and I don't see em as anymore then flavor of the month rides. I think some of the current rides that are perked should be unperked though. When that happens It will balance the game out more. :cool:
I thought that the Spit16 was a 1943 ride?
As for unperking some of the now perked rides, I would have to agree. the first two I would unperk would be the TA152 and the C Hog.
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No its a late 1944 ride but -
Only because instead of just calling a LF IXe (same everything as the XVI) because of the retooling (diff standards UK/US) it was decided to call it the LF XVIe.
It has exactly the same performance as a 1943 LF IXe, if it wasn't for retooling would have remained the LF IXe and shown up in AH2 as a 1943 LF IXe.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I thought that the Spit16 was a 1943 ride?
As for unperking some of the now perked rides, I would have to agree. the first two I would unperk would be the TA152 and the C Hog.
Spit 16 was the 1944-45 version of the 1943 LFIX. It had the same engine but was refined with the clipped wing, 3 hard points and the E wing of 2 20mm and 2 .5 mgs.
As said before it was a Spit LFIX with the American made Packard Merlin 266 instead of the Rolls Royce produced Merlin 66. If it had a 266 it was an LFXVI, if it had the 66 it was an LFIX. They came off the line together from the same plant. It was all about the engine. Externally you couldn't tell a latewar LFIX from an LFXVI unless you checked the serial numbers.
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Originally posted by Krusty
However you can't use speed alone. Look at the typhie. It's arguably one of the worst planes in the game, yet its fast. Great guns, but can't turn inside a football field.
What game do you play?
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
An LA7 will outclimb a Ki84, and so I believe will a 109G10
It doesn’t out accelerate a LA7, nor I doubt a NIKI, and I am not sure about the KI84.
I think a good stick in a LA7 will hand a Spit16 pilot his nuts in a paper bag. Spit 9 will outturn it, and I bet the NIKI will tie a knot in a Spit16’s tail quite easily.
While I agree Krusty needs to stop over-stating the facts, the Mk.XVI is a very, very good machine. It does out-climb the La-7 (quite easily) and the 109K-4 (not by a huge amount).
I've tested its acceleration and it isn't as good as the La-7, but it's much better than the Ki-84 and light years quicker than the N1K2.
In a one vs one with good pilots, I'll wager on the Mk.XVI winning, or the La-7 being forced to skedaddle. I base this upon several duels against the La-7 last evening.
While the Mk.IX can out-turn the Mk.XVI briefly, it cannot do so for long because the Mk.XVI has far more power and needs only fight up hill. As to the N1K2, don't bet on the N1K2. It's outclassed.
My regards,
Widewing
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"Krusty needs to stop over-stating the facts"
Fair enough, WW.
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Originally posted by Widewing
While I agree Krusty needs to stop over-stating the facts, the Mk.XVI is a very, very good machine. It does out-climb the La-7 (quite easily) and the 109K-4 (not by a huge amount).
I've tested its acceleration and it isn't as good as the La-7, but it's much better than the Ki-84 and light years quicker than the N1K2.
In a one vs one with good pilots, I'll wager on the Mk.XVI winning, or the La-7 being forced to skedaddle. I base this upon several duels against the La-7 last evening.
While the Mk.IX can out-turn the Mk.XVI briefly, it cannot do so for long because the Mk.XVI has far more power and needs only fight up hill. As to the N1K2, don't bet on the N1K2. It's outclassed.
My regards,
Widewing
I guess I stand corrected! :)
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For me all 45 planes should be perked and ENY should raise the perk value at all planes not making them not flyable
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MA is for fun. Paying for a plane is not fun. Fighting horrible odds taking out as many as you can before you die is fun. In doing so you die alot. Please leave MA to those who wish to have fun, fight, die and fight some more. When ToD comes about you can have all the little gay rules and perk/eny restrictions you want. You can even be a general if you want. A perk tag is a big "please gang bang me" sign. Perks are gay. They should be removed from the MA along with rank and score.
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Originally posted by DipStick
What game do you play?
he plays H2H... he was kind enough to give me pointers where i was going wrong after i shot him down a few times.
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Old RJ Mitchell is quite possibly looking down from Supermarine heaven, and laughing his head off!!!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Old RJ Mitchell is quite possibly looking down from Supermarine heaven, and laughing his head off!!!
or he is probably saying "you should thank god you didnt get it at 25lbs boost - that would really give you something to whine about"
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Originally posted by Furball
or he is probably saying "you should thank god you didnt get it at 25lbs boost - that would really give you something to whine about"
:lol
Leave things alone til ya see what is going to go on. Geesh 3 days don't mean nothing yet.
And I could care less if they do. Got 9k plus perkies. Still gonna fly it alot of I like.:lol
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Originally posted by bozon
as long as planes like the LA7 and K4 are not perked, there's no reason to perk the XVI. It IS too good vs. most planes but so are the former two.
Bozon
imop,Spit16 in better fighter overall than LA7, and K-4, maybe the best fighter in MA
is modeled like a balon, floating, fast, turn, roll, good climbing rate, fast over 10k ,
Soo what has LA7 superior to Spit16? speed at low alt, that's all.
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I still feel that the Spit 14 should have an updated boost.
Also, after this last patch, I do believe the Spit 1 has been porked. I don't think it hits 12 boost and I was getting out turned at stall speeds by other planes.
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Originally posted by ghi
imop,Spit16 in better fighter overall than LA7, and K-4, maybe the best fighter in MA
is modeled like a balon, floating, fast, turn, roll, good climbing rate, fast over 10k ,
Soo what has LA7 superior to Spit16? speed at low alt, that's all.
Fast over 10k, hmmm, its fastest speed is at around 22k, and even then its just sub 400.
Updated XIV to 21lbs would have made it worth the perk price, as it stands the reduction in cost was nice, but still not worth it.
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Perk spit1 109e hurri1 p40b zeke and f4fs ....better yet perk all planes 2000 perks and just leave lgay7 unperk...
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Fast over 10k, hmmm, its fastest speed is at around 22k, and even then its just sub 400.
Updated XIV to 21lbs would have made it worth the perk price, as it stands the reduction in cost was nice, but still not worth it.
Kev tell him to check the La-7 at 20k, he would be surprised.
The La-7 isn't just fast low, its just that down low the speed and acceleration gap it has over most planes is widest. That doesn't mean it isn't a monster up high as well. Ask the LW folks who flew in the Niemen scenario. Many a 109 pilot came to the BBS with 'I can't believe how good those La-7s were up high...'
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Yup, La7's have the largest advantage low, but most seem to think it magically turns into a pig above 10K and that is just not so. Its still a great plane at 20K, just not as dominant as it is low.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Also, after this last patch, I do believe the Spit 1 has been porked. I don't think it hits 12 boost and I was getting out turned at stall speeds by other planes.
Porked??? After months of lobbying (including me:)) HTC finally gave Spit 1 a +12 boost based on 100 octane fuel used in battle of Britain. Spit 1 should gain advantage over 109E in climb and level speed.
Spit 1 has very good sustained turn but it sure rolls slow like 109E. If i reemember most of Sipt 1's controll surfaces are fabric.
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By porked I mean it happened imbetween 2.06 and 2.061. I flew the spit 1 a few times before this bug patch.
Now the boost meter stops half way imbetween 10-11. And now I am getting out turned at the Spit 1's stall speed by Spit 16's.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Fast over 10k, hmmm, its fastest speed is at around 22k, and even then its just sub 400.
Updated XIV to 21lbs would have made it worth the perk price, as it stands the reduction in cost was nice, but still not worth it.
I measured 405 mph @ 20,000 feet using E6B. Similar to the SpitIX albeit about 5k lower.
My regards,
Widewing
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It needs perked.
I killed 3 LA7s, 3 KI-84s, and an ME262 in one sortie. I roll rate is too fast and holds "E" like a dream.
Ah, second thought, keep it the way it is.