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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: moose on December 19, 2001, 12:44:00 AM
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This is one scenario the RIAA uses as an example to protect music cds
Such rules let consumers enjoy music on an array of consumer electronics devices -- from PCs to portable players. But it would discourage 15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs and making dubs for everyone in the group -- with a few extras to sell at school.
lol.
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I am pretty ignorant on the subject of copy protection, so could you please elaborate what you've found ridiculous in that statement?
miko
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]
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Both Il-2 and Operation Flashpoint have CD protection in which copying them (for my software) is a long tedious process which will take anywhere from a day to two to simply get the data on my harddrive to burn to a CD.... if it will burn to the CD... and if the burned CD will then work is a whole other deal.
Copy protection and all this other nonsense is rediculous, it's a burden on the end user who wants to make back-ups on something he paid a good amount of money for simply because hackers want to make it free for everyone else.
If there's a will, there's a way, and there's a lot of will to break CD protection. It's a pointless waste of development time and programming, it can always be cracked.
-SW
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Swulfe....while I agree that copy protection is a pain for the user in terms of legitimate usgae..ie back-ups...but what other alternatives do the producers have to protect themselves?
Imagine for a moment that you spent a great deal of time, money and genuine hard work to produce a computer game...you release it without Copyright protection. Soon everyone is playing your game, but only a small minority actually paid for it....you lose money and eventually all your hard work goes down the tubes and you have a mortgage company taking your house to pay creditors relating to the development of your game.
Wouldn't that SUCK!?
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Curval ]
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CD keys work, they work very well as a matter of fact. They work much better than CD-protection.
You can't play online with duplicate CD keys, and thus half of most games that are duped or hacked or pulled from Warez can't be used.
CD protection is just a temporary deterrant, it's certainly not worth the money it costs to scramble a CD or make it protected so you can't copy it.
With CD-keys, you can only have one key per game. The game won't work otherwise. In the case of CD protection, it's just a matter of time before someone cracks the code and floods the warez sites with it... and then there's no stopping that, anyone can play the online portion for free.
-SW
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CD Keys work for on-line games... if everyone has to play through one server. That is the about the only time it works.
CD keys do not work for music. They do not work for stand alone games. They do not work for most other applications.
AKDejaVu
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Copy protection embedded into the CD itself just doesn't cut it as even physical alteration stands no chance. All it does is inconvenience the guy who bought the cd. For example some audio cd's are protected in such a way that you can't read them with some PC CD-drives or even with some dedicated CD-players.
Copy protection in the form of a CD-key is a relatively good idea, as SW pointed out, though it only works properly with online games.
What we have now is pretty mild, though, if compared with some really infuriating copy protection gadgets that were used some years ago. Some games (BOB and SWOTL come to mind) had disc-thingies that you had to spin and try to extract the right answer to the copy protection question, some spiderbashing game came with almost unreadable sheet with pictres of spiders on it and then you had to match the one on the screen etc etc.
Sooo... IMO when one designs a copy protection scheme, practicality and invisibility to the end-user should also be thought of.
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Yes. Any form of copy protection is ridiculous imo.
I can understand the developers not wanting to have their stuff pirated, but it WILL happen ANYWAY. All they end up doing is giving a real headache to those that actually paid for the program.
I have some CD's of games and of software that I can't copy because of the damn thing, and ive already lost 2 of them to accidents over the years. Will that make me go and buy another one of their products? Fat chance. Send them the broken CD in HOPES they will send me a good copy back..in about 2 months? Again, fat chance. Kept the receipt? Oh yeah, I keep all the receipts since I was 5 and bought my first chewing gum. :rolleyes:
All this does is actually encourage me to find myself a free copy of their program which has been cracked and I can burn into as many CD's as I want.
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Hmm... Will try to copy a Russian IL-2 CD on an RW. Interesting. Never tried to copy any protected media.
IL-2 ISO image was "released" by some "warez" team the day after it was in stores in the US. I tried to find it, couldn't wait until I could buy a boxed Russian version, but failed.
Tac, once in maybe 1990, when I was a "nomadic" computer user we were sittling at the only AT machine at K5 department of MHTC where I studied, and one of the guys brought a floppy with a game called "Blue Angels". It refused to run without a proper answer to a "copy protection question". We found a TXT file there with an exact description of a "code-wheel" for that game. Having nothing to do we spent 1.5 hours making that code wheel, and finaly were иду to run a game. It was absolutely useless. We erased it after 10 minutes of playing :)
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This is another example of your right being voilated buy corparate bellybutton holes. Once you have paid for something it is yours.. simple
Now a days when you purchase anything it seems like there is some sort of liscense agreement that you must bide buy, may it be your new TV or Car stereo.
They like to tell you what you are alowed to do with your product once you have paid for it, simply becuse they have there name on. Now if you are copying CDs to sell them i will agree that is wrong, they took the time to produce, go through all the legalities and heart ache of making the product and you should not be able to make money off the copies. If you want to sell the original that is perfectly fine IMO.
But as far as making copies of games and letting people have them for free i do not see a problem with this because you are not making a profit from this, it is yours and you already paid for the humoungusly marked up price that they have made them selves. I personaly rip games and have them free for download. Also movies that are not even out of the theater, which is questionable.
I dont see a problem with this, you have paid for the product it is now yours.
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Originally posted by miko2d:
I am pretty ignorant on the subject of copy protection, so could you please elaborate what you've found ridiculous in that statement?
miko
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: miko2d ]
When I was in school, we didn't all 'pool our money' go out, and buy one copy.
I doubt that actually happens.
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Copy-protecting audio CDs strikes me as a proposition destined to lose. What are you gonna do, make it impossible for computers to read audio CDs? Ever since I blew a woofer, I listen to most of my audio CDs on my computer's Klipsches. Put some sort of protection on there that requires some recognition chip on the CD player? Change the format? Uh, I don't think it will be compatible with my 1988 audio technology. Guess I won't be buying it.
And in any case, even if they do copy-protect the particular CD, I can at the very least use some good cable and record a copy via an analog step with acceptable signal losses.
Hehe I remember spending an afternoon in the office photocopying and taping the SWOTL wheel so it became an easily-reproducible "code sheet". Hell, I even used that when I bought the game.
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Copying ANY protected PC game is ridiculously easy. I was gonna post some site to look at but I dont want people labelling me a pirate. I've perfectly legitamate copies of MY software in the past and I can tell you that it took only 20 minutes. Not 1 or 2 days, whoever said that. And yes, I own Op Flashpoint and yes i copied it in 20 minutes. Perfect copy.
CD Keys for some standalone games when played MP work just fine. Look at half life. Each person doesnt have to go to one server to play, each time a MP session is started the software goes and checks your key on a key auth server then you connect to the server you requested. Works fine, I dont know anyone who owns a non legal copy of half life and can play online. Of course, there really is NO way to stop the copying of standalone games. There really isnt.
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You guys advocating pirating software are thieves, don't fool yourself about "corporations", just scumbag thieves.
And, oh yeah, Boroda, Mr. innocent, never stole software, need I mention FH?
When floppies were the medium(they went bad fairly often), and on downloaded games, you have a valid point about backups. I have NEVER, EVER had a CD go bad, they won't. If you use it for a coaster and it is ruined, it is your fault, go buy another copy, handsomehunk.
Thieves are a large part of why software is so expensive in the first place.
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Thank you for that moral lecture.
F.
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You need more than my lecture.
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Actually ive had a CD or two go bad. It depends if you transport them much. I've taken CD's to LAN parties and friends houses for LANs and accidents happen so dont preach to me about whats right and wrong mr high moral ground 'the lord he toucheth me with light hand for my saintlyhood'.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Gavor ]
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I copied IL2 to my hard disk using Virtual CDROM w/o problem.
I did it to avoid having to insert the CD everytime... not for pirating. ;)
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I've lost a ton of CDs when they went through US customs. CDs and cases shoved in a box with god knows what stuck to them.
I don't advocated infringing copyrights; but I don't see copy protection of CDs as my friend. If it means I can't listen to a CD I pay for, yet it doesn't stop pirates from copying it (and consequently means that a pirate copy is more appealing to me than a legitimate one), I just don't see it as worthwhile.
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Originally posted by moose:
When I was in school, we didn't all 'pool our money' go out, and buy one copy.
I doubt that actually happens.
Everytime I "pooled" My money, the cashier wouldn't take it cause it was so wet.
NUTTZ
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Gavor, the CD didnt "go bad". You ruined it. So if you crash your car, Ford should give you a new one?
Justify it all you want, it is stealing.
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Uhhh... Gadfly, intellectual property is a little different. You ever hear of "fair use"?
In any case, CDs are not exactly the most durable form of media.
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Dinger, they are, even moreso. That means that they do not sell you the software, they sell you a license to USE it. On Copy protected media, you are buying a license to use THAT MEDIA. If you ruin it, it is no different than ruining a pyhsical possesion. You have no right to copy the progam, other than the limits laid out in the Users Agreement.
CD's are hardly fragile.
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I call it insurance. I call it intelligent. If i sold my copy, i'd call it illegal.
Justify it all you want, it is stealing.
How can i steal something I already own? If I break the CD I dont expect the developer to send me another one. I am smart enough to have made other plans though. If I could copy my car in a 'car burner' i'm sure i'd look into that too :D.
That car carshing analogy's the stupidest thing i've seen since steelo undies.
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LOL, your funny, all of you scumbag thieves. Read what you agree to before you use it, if you doubt it.
edit-Actually, Gavor, if that is as far as it went, there is no problem. Real world facts say that that is not the case(not in your instance perhaps, but overall).
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Gadfly ]
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What a retort. I must come over one day and admire all your debating trophies.
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We overlapped, there, sorry.
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np
Look, I understand your edit, but calling me a scumbag thief is not the way to make friends. In the past I copied games, but im a developer myself now and I know what a trial programming is and how much those guys deserve their money. I like a good discussion but i dont like being abused, you're making a judgement on me without knowing me, attack my posts if you wish but not me.
My solution is that I hire a game to see if i like it then I buy it. I know that I like it and I dont want to be out of pocket just cos i enjoy a good network game. I know damn well how durable CD's are, they're not bad but they wear down with lots of use. Some of my games have seen a lot of use. A LOT. I love my half life CD and I have a backup. If the original stops working I sure as hell want to have that backup there so i can play some more if i want.
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LOL, your funny, all of you scumbag thieves. Read what you agree to before you use it, if you doubt it.
actually the agreements are not published on the outside of the box(they are either in the manual, or they pop up while installing).
and since stores wont allow you to return software once the box is open i don't feel particularly obligated by the use agreement because it didn't come up until my money was already spent.
kinda reminds me of those stupid product contests "no purchase necesary, details inside"
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I was not talking to you, Gavor, Look up a few posts.
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Gavor, since I am currently using a NO-CD crack for IL-2 to prevent it from being worn out I don't need to know how to copy it.
However, I am using NTI CD-Maker 2000, is it possible to copy the OFP CD without it "going bad"? I've read elsewhere that if you dupe the CD, the copy will work- but after time the game will slowly kill itself in which it just continuously degrades.
I believe it copies just fine, but eventually the game will simply go kaput. Now, if you know where a NO-CD crack is for OFP- that would help me much moreso than actually copying it.
Oh, and Gadfly, CD's do wear out from continual use. You know, you have to leave it in the drive to get the game to run- well that laser in there ain't just a perty light. It degrades the quality of the bits over a period of time, especially if it reads the same spot of a CD multiple times.
I had four CDs go kaput because of this crap. EAW, RedBaron2 and RedBaron3D, and MechWarrior 3.
Now, this was entirely the fault of the company by requiring me to leave my CD in the drive for hours on end and have it repeatedly read the same fuggin spot over and over and over.
So if you want to use your analogy, it's like Ford giving me a car with a shoddy drive train. After many uses, it simply breaks and I go careening off the side of the road. It sure as toejam ain't my fault it went to crap.
So, you can call me a thief, but since I paid my hard earned money for their product and they stiff me with this toejam that results in degradation of the product- then you bet your diddlying bellybutton I will make copies of it.
-SW
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I did. I think some of your original posts were to me so it was easy to assume you were calling me a thief.
My apologies if I have launched a tirade unfairly. At least you understand my position :). Warez = bad....honest backups = smart.
I was enjoying this little knifefight, even if it was only in my mind. :(
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You are not required to buy or use the software, but you are required to abide by the law, and ignorance is never an excuse.
Failure to read a contract does not absolve you from its contents. So, justify it any way you like, it is stealing.
Not making a backup, but making copies for distribution, free or not, or utilizing pirated software is WRONG! period, no way around it.
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I call roadkillte, Swulfe. I am using the same Command and Conquer disc from 1995. It has worn out 3 computers and plays just fine. Make a backup, but don't make 10 for yer Buds.
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I DO want to make copies- copies for myself.
It ain't a back up because the data isn't changing, it's simply a copy.
That in itself is not illegal. Nor is it stealing.
-SW
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However, Swulfie, if you are talking about a burned CD, I would bet you are correct.
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Ah, okay. Well, when there's a nice little ring 4 tracks thick that rotates the entire way around the entire CD- I suppose someone could of keyed it.... I suppose.
Someone should buy you a nice big pair of plyers to remove your head from your ass- CDs do wear out. I see it everyday.
-SW
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CD copy protection only hurts those who legitimately purchase software. For an early Christmas present, I bought my wife the Sims: Hot Date expansion pack. We tried for two nights to get it to run, but it would crash to the desktop after the initial loading screen.
The problem? The idiotic copy protection scheme didn't like my Plextor CD-RW drive, so it wouldn't let the game run. I grabbed the no-CD patch for the game and now everything works just fine. Had I wished, I also could have just downloaded an ISO (with no-CD crack) from any of a dozen websites, and that would have worked right away as well. Instead I paid for the product and, as a paying customer, suffered because of the copy protection scheme.
How does this do anything but encourage me to just pirate this crap in the future?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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SWulfe, I use my copy of OFP exclusively as I normally do with all my backups. If a CD is to get broken or scratched to hell i'd rather it's the backup. My backup of OFP has worked faithfully through the whole game and a few MP sessions also. Maybe i'm wrong, but I never noticed the game degrading. Perhaps i missed something.
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DMF, first, just as a helpful hint, you should not use your CDRW for your primary drive. $200 vs $40 bucks for something that DOES have a wear factor.
Secondly, your logic is not. Sorry.
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Uhhh... Lizking, the validity of "licenses to use" intellectual property is a matter for the courts. The fact is, the damn things are marketed and, yes, sold, just like any other product. In spite of what some piece of paper might say, by putting it in my machine I am not signing any contract to anything. THat's a load of crap.
I mean, gee, think about it for a second. If I'm putting out a piece of software, I want to have the strongest case behind me too. That doesn't mean their case has any legal basis whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
DMF, first, just as a helpful hint, you should not use your CDRW for your primary drive. $200 vs $40 bucks for something that DOES have a wear factor.
My CDRW is my only CD-ROM drive. In addition, this is no guarantee that something will or will not work. Prior to this drive, my old 8x CD-ROM drive wouldn't properly install Falcon 4.0 thanks to the copy protection scheme. The CDRW drive fixed this problem. I don't have the time, patience, or money to install new CD-ROM drives that may or may not work with the copy protection du jour.
Secondly, your logic is not. Sorry.
My logic is perfectly sound. Did you know that even using the no-CD patch with my game is in violation of its user agreement? So basically, to get my legitimately purchased game to function at all on my computer, I must break the user agreement by applying a third-party patch that substantially alters the executable file.
Had I pirated this game in the first place, it would have worked upon install and saved me the money and hassle. What exactly is the copy protection protecting? My logic was that ineffective and flawed copy protection schemes will drive potentially legitimate customers to either cease buying a company's products or to simply pirate them instead.
If the argument is that software costs so much because of piracy, how does implementing an expensive protection scheme ultimately save money? It costs money to program or license such copy protection. It does not actually prevent piracy, which is as rampant now as it ever was IMO. And it inconveniences legitimate customers, turning them into future non-customers and/or pirates instead. So companies have now lost just as much money to piracy as always, but now they've lost even more because of the added short term costs of implementation and long term costs of user dissatisfaction.
-- Todd/Leviathn
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Dead Man Flying ]
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as far as audio cd's i burn them all the time. they do wear out. i buy a cd, i burn it, i put the original on the shelf. i take my cd's to work and they last about 3 weeks. when they wear out i threw them away and burn another. if they actually had protection that could stop me from burning them i'd just d/l the mp3 and they wouldn't get a dime
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A good point thats well made DMF. Its the legit consumer that gets burned the most often (good english Gavor). They are the people who dont know much about PC's and trust a game to install and work, the game they just spent their hard earned $$$'s on. The pirate/cracker or whatever doesnt give a #&^$, he/she will go get the latest NOCD patch, download the warez version or ISO image or copy it outright using the latest burner and burner software. In the past ive had to use a no-cd patch and sometimes I use them so the game runs quicker.
Half-related tip: If you have HDD spaec, go look for daemon tools. It allows you to make CD images of your CD's(very large though) which can then be mounted as virtual CD's. Very quick to access and handy if your having probs. Its NOT a way to pirate CD's unless you can afford terabytes of HDD space. Each CD takes up 6-700M.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Gavor ]
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Basically, this is my viewpoint.
A - I like being able to rip my cds to MP3. That way, my cd wallets (i have two of them both chock full) can stay in the car and I can still listen to my Kenny Rodgers music while flying Nikis.
B - It's legally my right to make backups of games I buy. So, in that pretense, why is it legal for a company to prevent me from making that backup? My EAW cd finally crapped out for no apparent reason. No scratches or anything. On install, one of the files is corrupted. No more EAW for me.
I do understand that game companies need to protect themselves. I bet there's a better way to do it though.
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I can copy cd's so I can use them in a 19080's technology Walkman, but I am not allowed to use my mp3 player?
Just stupid.
I have faith in my fellow geeks. So far, there has been *nothing* the big corporations have thrown out that a piple faced geek hasn't managed to crack.
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thats a new spin on it santa
i wonder if companies that make mp3 players have the right to take the record ones to court since they are effectively trying to kill their business?
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Hi, I got OFP to burn just wonderful. Sometimes I go 60 in a 55mph zone, don't return the shopping cart to the designated area, and I lie to telemarketers telling them I'm taking a crap when I'm actually just watching TV and don't want to talk to them. So that makes me a scumbag thief, state highway law breaker, non-conforming to supermarket signs, liar. Gladflee is going to fall outta that pulpit land in his tears.
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[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Time for my input-
CDs dont last forever. I heard one report that says CDs last 5 to 10 years, due to the metallic coating. Also, these company that try to prevent cd copying are not 100% right. Remember the rule of capitalism, Charge as much as the consumer can pay. Do you think these companys care if your dad or brother scratch up your CD when they take it out of the cdrom drive? Nope, they want you to buy another copy. Either extreme of the situation is bad, a happy medium needs to be reached.
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Originally posted by Gadfly:
And, oh yeah, Boroda, Mr. innocent, never stole software, need I mention FH?
Lizking, is it something wrong with you? Why do YOU rise this question again and again? You can whine as much as you want - but we didn't violate any laws of Russian Federation, and, thanks to our iENemies, now we have an official proof.
BTW, if you read my post carefully - I mentiond my participation in the process of pirating that game in 1990 ;)
I admit that I DO buy $3 CDs, mostly with games. I prefer officialy released games at the same price (like IL-2, that I bought in a boxed version simply to support Russian software designers), but there is no crime in buying a CD that was printed at the factory and is sold in an official store that pays all taxes.
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don't return the shopping cart to the designated area
Creamo
Foul villian!!!
Gadfly,
Thank you again for preaching to us all. You can move along now.
I believe there is a quote that goes "...let he without sin cast the first stone." So, until you can walk on water, shut up.
F.
[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Furious ]
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Originally posted by moose:
I can still listen to my Kenny Rodgers music while flying Nikis.
That is a very disturbing statement you sicko.
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Aye, hell awaits.
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I think you're all missing the point.
When the automobile was invented, people wanted to subsidize the buggy whip factories too.
If the product cannot be controlled due to its ready availability in the marketplace, then move along and find another way to make your millions. Prior to Gutenberg information was doled out to the masses by clerics who profited by the control of that information. When books became readily available the INFORMATION was not worth what it once was. The music industry has grown around its ability to deliver music to us. We couldn't make our own records, cassettes caused a few ripples but they generally suck, now we can get our music freely and the music industry is fighting for its life. They need to be buried next to the buggy whip guys.
Do you really think people will stop writing music? The Grateful Dead used to encourage people to tape and share their concerts. They were still the largest money makers in the world of music up until the death of JG.
I realize most of this thread was refering to computer software or games, but info on a disc is info on a disc.
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I have found less then perfect software, as opposed to the promises... If they would live up to their promises I would put more credence in their agreement.
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parpt
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I gotta ask...wtf is parpt?
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I'm not sure. A funny sound I guess.
Perhaps flatulence.
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LOL. First off, OFP does degrade if its not the original CD, you do need a NO CD Crack. The IL-2 ISO was posted with crack on the newsgroups a few times already.
As for piracy, well heres what I do - if a game doesn't release a demo then I will look for a warez copy. I download it, try it out for a week, and if I don't like it - trash it. If I do like it, I go buy it soon as it hits the shelves here (did it with OFP as the demo sucked but the real thing was rumoured to be much better).
I'm sick to death of software manufacturers releasing stuff that is incomplete, and doesn't resemble anything the box describes. I think a lot of people have little concience copying software simply because they have NO respect for the software companies that release bug ridden piles of crap onto the market - ww2ol is a great example of what you don't get at its worst. Why should I fork out US$40 to find something is not what its made out to be?
Then theres music. Why do I have to buy a CD with 1 good track and 15 tracks of toejam music? Why did the music companies sit around with their fingers up there tulips not addressing the demand for online music until Napster dragged them kicking and screaming onto the net?
If they provided a better product, at a reasonable price, provided it via a delivery mechanism the market has been screaming for, and didn't force us to buy music we don't want 'bundled' with music we do want... mebbe consumers would have a little more guilt pirating stuff. The MP3-piracy forced music companies to sit up and do something on the net.
Who are the thieves? The software companies that lie about what their products do? Or the music companies that try to keep a strangle hold on the profits?
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Yep. A few years back there was a company that was selling CD's over the internet. Custom made CD's that is.
You selected the songs from any group you wanted, as long as you could cram it into a CD, you could do it. You'd pay for each song's copyright and stuff, plus the burn, S&H and their profit. If I remember correctly, one of the CD's I got from them, with 12 songs I really liked, for about 15 bucks.
Last I heard, the company had been bought out by a record company (Empire I think) and this "option" of purchasing was taken off their website.
Come to think of it, that was the last time I bought a CD.
Its a losing battle for the record companies anyway, they can shut down napster and their likes, there will always be another one taking its place. And they will always be up where the US law cant touch them. There's servers in North Korea and easter europe that you can get ANY song and in many cases movies for free. Only limit is your bandwith.
Saddest of all, the artists get very little from what their music sells.
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Going back to the original post regarding RIAA notes on music CD protection, it mentions using them on computers. I thought that the new copy protected music CDs would not just prevent copying on CDROMS but actually prevent any form of PLAYBACK on CDROMS. So you can't even listen to music on your computer with these CDs. Isn't that true?
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715,
my understanding is that newer hardware should support these cds
however, if you have an old cdplayer or cd drive or anything not probably 2000+, it won't work?
like all things, I'm sure in a month someone will have released a bit of software that can extract the music digitally to mp3.
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Moose, so they expect US to upgrade OUR hardware to work with THEIR CDs because they are too damn greedy to let go with a couple hundred bucks?
Geez, last I checked almost all bands made big bucks- atleast the ones in the limelight. CDs produce a very small amount of their income in the first place, it's all in their tours and concerts that the big bucks come in.
I foresee many record companies going bellybutton end up over this, I ain't gonna buy a new CD player and new CD-ROMs to run copy protected CDs because the greedy record companies' wallets aren't fat enough.
Vulcan, do you know where an OFP NO-CD crack is? Send me an email (weissdr1@yahoo.com) if you do, I can't stand the noise of my CD-ROM spinning up everytime I start the game... nor do I want to get this CD damaged.
Thanks!
-SW
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Umm.. fellas.. where am I gonna play audio CD if I must have game CD in the cd-rom, in case I wan't to listen specific music while playing?
Well.. instead, I rather play those tracks as MP3s or just replace game .wav files with own ones (in case game has music files open and not in 12932 megs package)
Or just do it otherway around - have nocd crack for the game and then swap audio CDs as much as I like to.
Though, I hardly have any music MP3, other my very own & very legit 10-200kb audio example MP3s.
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Fishu ]
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Fishu, plus MP3s are a pretty big resource hog and will reduce your FPS in some of the newer games that are more processor intensive.
Lucky for me, I have two CD-ROMs, a POS 20$ 50x CD-ROM and another CD-RW. The POS CD-ROM has a cool volume control on the front of it, so I can turn it up or down while it's playing CD music- I usually use this drive for audio CDs when I'm playing a game and use the CD-RW to hold the game CD if it needs it.
-SW
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Answer's easy : Code ugly! :) ... they might read it, but they'll never understand it (or it'll take a while...)
<heads back to the chained chair at the office>
Saw
(Still alive)
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Yes SW, from what I can figure out the record companies stance is that if your cd player, discman, cd drive, etc etc isn't new enough you can just return the cd, even if it's opened.
I dont give a crap about returning the damn thing. I want to listen to the music.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Geez, last I checked almost all bands made big bucks- atleast the ones in the limelight. CDs produce a very small amount of their income in the first place, it's all in their tours and concerts that the big bucks come in.
It's strange how the situation in the world changes. Back in the 80-s in USSR we had exactly the same situation, with artists giving their "tape albums" for free (noone payed for records they could simply copy to a cassete), only to promote their concerts that gave real money. At the same time in the West artists made concert tours to promote their records ;)