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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on November 12, 2005, 04:29:48 PM
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with all the riot coverage (and lack there of) I wanted to see if this letter was a fairly accurate portrayal:
It seems that in USA, people are misinformed about the spread of the riots. let me give you a piece of enlightenment about them.
Muslim riots happened in areas mostly populated by Muslim immigrants (up to 80%).
The riots were contained in those areas by a police which were conscious of not committing any flaw that was expected by the Mollas to upsurge all the Muslim people.
Most of the rioters were known by the police for many acts of serious delinquency .Some spent few years in jails others were probably relaxed by a Justice poisoned by Marxists ( Syndicat de la Magistrature - union of leftist lawers ) .In my opinion , those gangsters were monitored by the Mollas who pushed them to provoke the authorities , expecting any flaws that could be used to upsurge the whole Muslim Mass.
Those Muslim bastards never come and put the mess in French countryside villages where most of people are deer-hunters and have hunting guns. Should they do it, be sure that they will be welcome by the same kind of "welcoming committee " that in any USA village. They know it.
Unfortunately, these riots didn't spread in well-standard living areas where the so-called "bobo" live. Should it happen , that it would wake them up from their mental anesthesia.
France people can be divided in 4 categories:
The Politicians, the " BOBO ", the French popular Mass and the aliens.
All French politicians (right and left), are graduate from ENA ( Ecole nationale d'Administration ) where their little brains were formatted by those stupid utopias ( so called "Valeurs républicaines" ) , to become the puppets of a few powerful people belonging to the international industrial and finance world .Worst , they are certainly members of a freemasonry sect called "Loge du grand orient" famous for its atheism and strong anti-clerical ideas. They let the Muslims come in, to give low-wage employees to our companies, even in a time our European countries became hit by unemployment.
Pushed by far-leftist activist, they set the Family Gathering Scheme in the name of "Human rights"
Knowing the kind of welfare system they could benefit in France, Muslims came in mass with wife (s) and made many children receiving money for it!
Even illegal immigrants came in mass knowing that they can get support from Marxist Associations.
Industrial and finance powerful men were happy with that prospect because they think only "consumers in a Multiculturalism world" and disregard religion and cultural differences.
They have done the same mistake that all Western World politicians have done.
Like Maurice Allais pointed out (French economist who received Economy Nobel Price): with their family , immigrants from undeveloped countries cost 4 to 5 more that they can give to our society. Worst their religion and customs push them to reject our western values and make them inassimilable to our European civilization. Their immigration in Europe is only profitable to a minority of swines in power.
"bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle class controls nearly everything : education, literature, media, justice ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and have set a dictatorship of thoughts in France .They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel").
They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease.
They are so silly that they can't make any difference between the European immigrants that came in France after www1 and www2 and the Muslim one .I spent hours to explain them that this first immigration was easily assimilated because of our common values, customs and RELIGION!
They don't want to admit that Muslims are simply aliens.
The fact that they disregard religion in the name of "laicity" blind them on Islam antagonisms with both Western civilization and the so-called "laicity".
Well set in a comfortable way of life they don't want to be told about the prospect of a Civilization War between Western countries and Muslim world that could hit down their quiet and luxury life.
They do prefer giving lessons to others all around the world rather than questioning themselves.
Even if not Marxists, they have been poisoned by Marxism dictatorship of thoughts through medias and education and probably believe that they can change the world with their big trap and little balls.
These "bobo" think that France colonialism has exploited North-Africa and Africa and they use culpabilization against French people to justify their laxism towards Muslim immigration.
Argue against them and you are systematically a racist who risk to be suited.
Everybody who knows something about history of "Industrial revolution " in Europe in XIX century knows that the corebase was coalmining and steelworking. In France, those two were in North and Northeastern France (Lorraine disputed between France and Germany for that reason).
I am a native from Lorraine: my parents and grand parents were labours in steelworking, and I can tell you and all those stupid "bobo " that Lorraine has never been neither in Africa nor in Arabian countries. This to say that no Industrial country (USA and Europe) got rich and powerful with coffee, tea, orange and bananas! From Africa. Worst, France spent a lot of money in Africa and Maghreb to help them to develop. Algeria benefits from heavy investments at a time it was a French colony. All that for peanuts.
Should we have kept our money in our pocket that our economy would be more flourishing nowadays.
Aside their anti-Christian mentality, the "bobo" has plaid an insane anti-patriotism activism, thinking that could help Europe nations to fuse in one.
As a matter of fact Marxists took profit of the WWI European suicide to inject their stinking ideology.
It is obvious that 90 yrs after WW1, France didn't really recover from it. Anybody who does visit France should take attention to the Death Monuments settled in the middle of each French village and little towns.You will find much more names engraved on stone than living inhabitants.
More than 1.5 millions of French brave guys on a population roughly 40 million sacrificed themselves with a self-abnegation that only Russians did equal during WW2 in the Stalingrad battle.
Adding probably 1 million more due to subsequent disease in 1918 and you get a reap of youth.
Marxism took the opportunity of this drama and shock to spread in France through 2 political party: Socialist Party and then Communist Party. Both fuse in the Front Popular and won the election in 1936.
Worst they welcome in France their communist brothers from Spain and Italy after these two countries turned sad. Part of French communists are descendant of these Italian and Spanish communists.
Once in power their concerns were social sheme, offering holidays to workers, favoring class-strikes, puting the mess in armament factories, at a time a guy called Adolf Hitler was rearming his Reich. Every knows the following of the story.
To end with the "bobo" and their hypocritical concerns with "social welfare ", they should learn that the first social protection for labours to be implemented in Europe was in German Reich by a man called Otto von Bismark. As you know , he was far to be a Marxist!
In conclusion with Politicians and the "bobo" chapters: in a day we are celebrating the sacrifice of ww1generation , there is no need to say that the Braves are spinning in their tombs and trenches .Looking at "bobo" and politicians , and sick of it our Brave French ancestors are throwing out .they are not the only one .
French popular mass does also: this is the so-called silent Majority formed with Middle class and labours .
They are both French rooted people and French native descendants of European immigrants, which made efforts to fuse in French people.
You can't see them demonstrating in street: THEY do WORK! Except when hit by unemployment .
They are bored of paying taxes:
to feed illegal immigrants
to assist lazy people who does not want to make any effort
to refill the loss of government owned companies
They are bored of being insulted of racist and fascist by the "bobo" , when they complain about Muslim unwillingness to accept our European values.
They are bored of corrupted politicians.
They are bored of strikes by a few Marxist activists, which nowadays do represent NOTHING in the Labour population.
In my humble opinion, I think the pot is boiling, nobody knows yet how and when it will explode.
Let me say something about the European immigrants in France:
My father ancestors were Austrian and migrate in 1715 while my mother's parents were Italians and migrate in 1919. I was at school with the French native sons of Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish Hungarian immigrants. Their parents came in France with a snotty nose and nothing even a bundle. They work hard: to build a House, and to give a welI education to their children.
I grew up with their children. Never saw them rioting, selling drugs, burning cars.
THEY worked hard at school, they wanted to learn and get a job. Bloody hell! There was a kind of gentle competition between us to be the best at School!
The "Bobo" and Politicians, who both never grew up with European immigrants, are so blinded by their **** "Republican Values and Laicity " that they ignore what made the fusion possible: CHRISTIAN VALUES and
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contd.
GRECO-ROMAN VALUES. Believers or not believers, most of European immigrants were educated at home through a remaining of CHRISTIAN VALUES.
I am not a believer, my Mum is a strong one. Even ignorant about religion, I was educated with mother's Christian values and I can tell you that I know all the benefit of them! Like it or not: These values are the Key success in both USA and Europe.
So long we will keep them against winds and tides, we will survive.
Let the bastards of any kind undermine them, and we westerners will be destroyed.
Aliens: Those are the Muslims immigrants. There is nothing to be said about them (you saw them at TV news) except that our European politicians let them do their Djiad in our home with the support of stupid "bobo" who think that the riots are a expression of "social despair ". BULL****!
My late father was a labour and a non-believer, he worked with some Muslims labours in a steelwork company and therefore knew very much about their beliefs. Some of them were living in a house next to my grand mother's one, at a time the Muslims were staying as "single". Of course they were nice and helpful people.
But the day the Politicians bastards allow them to call their wife and family in France 30 yrs ago, my father who knew much about his Muslim colleagues told me something I will never forget.
"These Muslims are nice persons BUT they are different from us. Once settled, their Imans and Mollas will come and put their hand over Muslims. They will tell them to make as many children as they can to conquest and impose Islam. My bet that in 50 years, Europe will be the next Liban." Was he wrong? Have a look on TV news!
Some brave historians who dared facing the Marxist "well thinking ", told several years ago of a tough "wake-up" and a "RECONQUISTA " in all Europe in the future. Whatever the human cost, this reconquista will be beneficial for all Europeans, because it will remind them what are their real identity and VALUES. Those they should have never swapped for bull**** something values.
Diggers, that was long to write and long for you to read. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Please, do me a favor: be nice to repost it to how many blog you can: la shawn barber and so on
BEST REGARDS from FRANCE
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Samuel P. Huntington's Clash of Civilizations Part Deux!
Summary: World politics is entering a new phase, in which the great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of international conflict will be cultural. Civilizations-the highest cultural groupings of people-are differentiated from each other by religion, history, language and tradition. These divisions are deep and increasing in importance. From Yugoslavia to the Middle East to Central Asia, the fault lines of civilizations are the battle lines of the future. In this emerging era of cultural conflict the United States must forge alliances with similar cultures and spread its values wherever possible. With alien civilizations the West must be accommodating if possible, but confrontational if necessary. In the final analysis, however, all civilizations will have to learn to tolerate each other.
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The Modernizing Imperative: Tradition and Change
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The West Is Best
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Bonds of Civility: Aesthetic Networks and the Political Origins of Japanese Culture
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A World of Regions: Asia and Europe in the American Imperium
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Ending Empire: Contested Sovereignty and Territorial Partition
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The French Exception
Edited by Emmanuel Godin and Tony Chafer. : Berghahn Books, 2005.
France in Crisis: Welfare, Inequality, and Globalization Since 1980
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THE NEXT PATTERN OF CONFLICT
World politics is entering a new phase, and intellectuals have not hesitated to proliferate visions of what it will be-the end of history, the return of traditional rivalries between nation states, and the decline of the nation state from the conflicting pulls of tribalism and globalism, among others. Each of these visions catches aspects of the emerging reality. Yet they all miss a crucial, indeed a central, aspect of what global politics is likely to be in the coming years.
It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.
Conflict between civilizations will be the latest phase in the evolution of conflict in the modern world. For a century and a half after the emergence of the modern international system with the Peace of Westphalia, the conflicts of the Western world were largely among princes-emperors, absolute monarchs and constitutional monarchs attempting to expand their bureaucracies, their armies, their mercantilist economic strength and, most important, the territory they ruled. In the process they created nation states, and beginning with the French Revolution the principal lines of conflict were between nations rather than princes. In 1793, as R. R. Palmer put it, "The wars of kings were over; the wars of peoples had begun." This nineteenth-century pattern lasted until the end of World War I. Then, as a result of the Russian Revolution and the reaction against it, the conflict of nations yielded to the conflict of ideologies, first among communism, fascism-Nazism and liberal democracy, and then between communism and liberal democracy. During the Cold War, this latter conflict became embodied in the struggle between the two superpowers, neither of which was a nation state in the classical European sense and each of which defined its identity in terms of its ideology.
These conflicts between princes, nation states and ideologies were primarily conflicts within Western civilization, "Western civil wars," as William Lind has labeled them. This was as true of the Cold War as it was of the world wars and the earlier wars of the seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. With the end of the Cold War, international politics moves out of its Western phase, and its centerpiece becomes the interaction between the West and non-Western civilizations and among non-Western civilizations. In the politics of civilizations, the peoples and governments of non-Western civilizations no longer remain the objects of history as targets of Western colonialism but join the West as movers and shapers of history.
THE NATURE OF CIVILIZATIONS
During the cold war the world was divided into the First, Second and Third Worlds. Those divisions are ...
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Wolf buddy I didn't know you were french ;)
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Naaa. I'm just one of those academic snobs who would rather go breaking down doors and busting skulls.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Naaa. I'm just one of those academic snobs who would rather go breaking down doors and busting skulls.
:rofl
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priceless.
Truly.
Damn, some days it really pays to hang around here. ;)
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Only Sean Hannity joke I have ever heard that was funny.
Hannity: I hear bush is sending the marines in to France to help quell the riots.
radio viewer: how many
Hannity: 5
His only moment that was made me laugh but man its funny
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I'm only french technicaly, but I was born there and grew up in Paris, including in St Denis (on that map) for a while.
I don't consider myself representative of the french, although I can relate to, I don't share their base values, but I do know them almost inside-out.
While the author also knows them quite well, his text reflects his bias. From what I can tell, he was born on site and is pretty dogmatic himself.
His notes of French traits in practice is mostly correct, but his interpretation isn't totaly objective.. more of an ideological and political analysis of culture than human and psychological analysis of the practical causes and effects in question.
I'm probably not qualified to make or refute claims as big as he makes, but he definitely isn't without agenda. Either that or he's got some borederline xenophobe hangups.
I agree in the sense that you could question those people belonging to the groups he defines, and they'd answer accordingly, but that's just pigeonholing.
It's a relatively short analysis cutoff point.
And I've never heard "bobo" before, although I do see what he refers to. Another hint of pretty specific lingo that could be either the pretty common trait of talking familiarly/vulgarly on formal topics, or of narrow-mindedness.
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Weakness.
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I have a french cat..
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but i don't think you really wanna hear what it thinks.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I have a french cat..
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a266/BigJohn43/bigears.jpg)
but i don't think you really wanna hear what it thinks.
That musta been post 1945 :aok
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seriously I'm looking for an opinion on how accurate this is based on somone who lives there or knows a little bit about the inner workings of france. It seems the news coverage has been "sexed" down so to speak or just the opposite depending on who you talk to. I know if in the US we had riots and major violence from coast to coast like the pic shows the lefties would be calling for Bush's head on a platter.
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The people I ask either don't want to do more than small talk about it, don't want to talk about it at all, or don't have anything to say about it.
There's some french responses in these topics:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343258
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343332
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Originally posted by moot
The people I ask either don't want to do more than small talk about it, don't want to talk about it at all, or don't have anything to say about it.
There's some french responses in these topics:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343258
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343332
Arabs pretty simple
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Simpe gun : you are reading the propaganda of the French version of the néo-con.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Naaa. I'm just one of those academic snobs who would rather go breaking down doors and busting skulls.
I always love your replies Wolf! Hope to meet you at the Con, first drink is on me.
:aok
Mac
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A French opinion?
Hmmm I don't know... seems like they've Surrendered already.
Mac
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See Rule #16
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See Rule #16
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See Rule #16
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all governments are the same... the first grab of power is to take charge of the education of the masses.
The next is the inevitable move toward socialism in order to increase their power over everyone.
lazs
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Originally posted by straffo
Simpe gun : you are reading the propaganda of the French version of the néo-con.
pk, sometimes there's som truth in propaganda. Do you have anything to add other than who it's written by.
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Gunslinger.
I doubt he does. It's a common tactic rather than refute what was poisted in a constructive manner, just denigrate the source of the information with no basis to prove the info is wrong. If he really had anything he'd have posted the info rather than just smear the source.
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I'm really trying to get a guage on what is going on in France. This is day 17 and the french kinda act like "it's no big deal" and those that do speak up they are now racists/bigots/neocons. Even the local newsies there said they don't want to accuratly report the news cause it might help a right wing agenda.
Seriously if we had riots coast to coast in every major city in the US the press would be asking for Bush's head on a plate but we don't hear that about france.
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Yep I can add something : someone posting a "it's not my fault nor the fault of my ancestor" should just shut up.
Look nowhere in his article this French néo-con mentionned that we almost deported the muslim to France in the 50's/60's to do the job the native French didn't wanted to do (or where not numerous enought to do).
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Gunslinger, basicaly if you're after objective articles, you should keep looking, you haven't struck gold yet.
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Originally posted by moot
Gunslinger, basicaly if you're after objective articles, you should keep looking, you haven't struck gold yet.
Well it seems I can't find ANY and the french themselves really don't want to talk about it. You guys realize that by dumbing down this situation you are doing Europe a disservice as many other countrys (this is an assumption on my part) are probably in the same boat as you guys.
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Yep that's what I said in my replies to the other riot threads. That's just the way they are.
Like I said I don't consider myself french to begin with. I stopped trying to have any effect beyond close friends because they just won't have it.. and after a while I didn't feel any belonging to this place.
I do run into people who really are receptive to my outsider perspective, but they're few and far between so I don't go out of my way to find them.
I'm done here and it's time for me to think for myself. I don't have any roots here anymore, the best thing I can do as far as I can tell is grow bark and branches in the US.
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Welcome home, Moot.
Call 'em like you see 'em.
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What i found funny is that the map showed above is quite wrong. Damned if it was like that i won't be there talking to you but trying to defend my home and family.
As Straffo said, the article is writen by a clearly very very right minded french. Borderline as he takes a lot of view of xenophobes and extrems politicians.
The problem couldn't be resume to a religious one, but is far more complex and quite deaper from what you can see on US news.
And it didn't started now but 30 years ago, when we parked immigrants on soon to be ghetos.
I need more than a thread to explain my view... To come back to the question of Gunslinger : don't think that the view explain on the article is the view of the majority, it's not.
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We concur, surrender immediately!
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Originally posted by straffo
Yep I can add something : someone posting a "it's not my fault nor the fault of my ancestor" should just shut up.
Look nowhere in his article this French néo-con mentionned that we almost deported the muslim to France in the 50's/60's to do the job the native French didn't wanted to do (or where not numerous enought to do).
Well with double digit unemployment, Id say they have enough spare folks now
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"Need a French Opinion"
[clouseu]'Monsuer, you are ugly, you have far to much money and you have a smelly dog'[/closeau]
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Thanks Hang :)
My step-grandfather is a VN and Korea vet, and we get along really well.
One day when we were still getting to know each other, we're shooting the **** on the patio after I mowed the lawn in exchange for a family korean recipe, and after a pretty solemn silence he looks over and says 'That's the american dream, boy.. have a house - mow the lawn!"
:lol
He was right, though.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gunslinger.
I doubt he does. It's a common tactic rather than refute what was poisted in a constructive manner, just denigrate the source of the information with no basis to prove the info is wrong. If he really had anything he'd have posted the info rather than just smear the source.
It's funny that Guns (supposedly) asked for a frenchman's view, and as soon as the only one here who's entitled to give that response... mr 'knowitall' has to say his point is moot*.
I personaly stopped reading after the sentance "muslim bastards" ... i knew where it was heading.
You'r not interested of having an internal opinion, you're just interested in patting each other's shoulders trumpetting ... "see how those cowards are dealing with this... we woulda NUKED them!"
Typical ...
*pun not intended
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Have a house... mow the lawn...
laughable! Where is the culture in that!
lazs
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I have often stated on this bbs that the moslem population is rampantly out of control in most of europe and that they will will eventually take over every square millimeter of that continent. it's not like they attempt to hide their objectives or anything. they consider europe as moslem land stolen from them. they are reproducing much more rapidly than the europeans and they are emigrating in record numbers. none of these developements come as a surprise to me. in fact I'm relatively sure it's the calm before the storm. but you guys go on ahead and continue to think the way you always have. after all europe has never been wrong and never needed American help.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
It's funny that Guns (supposedly) asked for a frenchman's view, and as soon as the only one here who's entitled to give that response... mr 'knowitall' has to say his point is moot*.
I personaly stopped reading after the sentance "muslim bastards" ... i knew where it was heading.
You'r not interested of having an internal opinion, you're just interested in patting each other's shoulders trumpetting ... "see how those cowards are dealing with this... we woulda NUKED them!"
Typical ...
*pun not intended
Saintaw,
If you had read my post you'd see that I was commenting that there had been no refutation of the article. Just a labeling of it as "neo con" and nothing to substantiate the label either. That would be the same as me saying nothing good ever comes out of Belgium so don't pay any attention to anything from or about it.
Merely putting a label on something, or someone is not an actual argument about the content or validity of what was said. Do you care to add something to the subject or is your post the sum total of your "arguemenht"?
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Get ready Maverick I'll answer point by point.
But you won't read as usual.
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Originally posted by straffo
Get ready Maverick I'll answer point by point.
But you won't read as usual.
Just put some information out, I'll be happy to read it.
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It seems that in USA, people are misinformed about the spread of the riots. let me give you a piece of enlightenment about them.
Muslim riots happened in areas mostly populated by Muslim immigrants (up to 80%).
The riots were contained in those areas by a police which were conscious of not committing any flaw that was expected by the Mollas to upsurge all the Muslim people.
Desinformation it didn’t happen in planes with 80% muslim.We don’t have any way to know as it forbiden by French law to make such statistic (remember Vichy)
Not a single Mollah was caught nor seen how can he pretend they are responsible ? there is stealth/invisible Mollah in my country ?
Most of the rioters were known by the police for many acts of serious delinquency .Some spent few years in jails others were probably relaxed by a Justice poisoned by Marxists ( Syndicat de la Magistrature - union of leftist lawers ) .
Strange, the Police said it was mostly « primo déliquants » I guess they don’t know what they are speaking about …
The Syndicat de la magistrature Marxist ? it’s april fool day ?
In my opinion , those gangsters were monitored by the Mollas who pushed them to provoke the authorities , expecting any flaws that could be used to upsurge the whole Muslim Mass.
He can keep is opinion in the place allways dark of his anatomy.
Those Muslim bastards never come and put the mess in French countryside villages where most of people are deer-hunters and have hunting guns. Should they do it, be sure that they will be welcome by the same kind of "welcoming committee " that in any USA village. They know it.
Deer hunter in country side ?
I would be very happy to find a deer to hunt !
Mister obvious don't live in the countryside.
Unfortunately, these riots didn't spread in well-standard living areas where the so-called "bobo" live. Should it happen , that it would wake them up from their mental anesthesia.
I’m trying to understand this sentence
France people can be divided in 4 categories:
The Politicians, the " BOBO ", the French popular Mass and the aliens.
Damm I’m neither … I should be Ameruuukan so …
All French politicians (right and left), are graduate from ENA ( Ecole nationale d'Administration )
For once he is right
where their little brains were formatted by those stupid utopias ( so called "Valeurs républicaines" )
Great the founding values of our country have no value for the poster …
, to become the puppets of a few powerful people belonging to the international industrial and finance world .Worst , they are certainly members of a freemasonry sect called "Loge du grand orient" famous for its atheism and strong anti-clerical ideas. They let the Muslims come in, to give low-wage employees to our companies, even in a time our European countries became hit by unemployment.
Good the France maçon now …
I guess the jew and the communist are next ?
=>it’s clear it’s a right wing extremist.
Pushed by far-leftist activist, they set the Family Gathering Scheme in the name of "Human rights"
I guess we should remind him it’s supposed to be one of the key value of our country or he is unable to understand our constitution ?
Knowing the kind of welfare system they could benefit in France, Muslims came in mass with wife (s) and made many children receiving money for it!
Exactly the opposite the muslim were in France and we (the French) autorised to make their wife and child come ! (1975 if my memory is good)
(I guess when history don’t feet your agenda it’s easier to rewrite it !)
Even illegal immigrants came in mass knowing that they can get support from Marxist Associations.
I would see this backed by facts.
Industrial and finance powerful men were happy with that prospect because they think only "consumers in a Multiculturalism world" and disregard religion and cultural differences.
Yet another Franc Maçon diatribe ,a bit stealth but I expected it as our lovely poster is a right wing extremist he won’t change his speech …
Well I've already read that 1000 times.
They have done the same mistake that all Western World politicians have done.
Like Maurice Allais pointed out (French economist who received Economy Nobel Price): with their family , immigrants from undeveloped countries cost 4 to 5 more that they can give to our society. Worst their religion and customs push them to reject our western values and make them inassimilable to our European civilization. Their immigration in Europe is only profitable to a minority of swines in power.
Right Allais wrote this … but he wrote also more than that !
I’m not sure Allais will be happy to see his book reduced to ONE sentence.
ANd the 2 following sentences are our poster opinion,not Allais opinion.
"bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle class controls nearly everything : education, literature, media, justice ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and have set a dictatorship of thoughts in France .They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel").
Exact … and what wrong with this ?
Btw the writer is likely a Bobo in denial as he likely is not :
a politician
a French popular Mass (they don't speak English in general)
an alien
They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease.
What disease ?
They are so silly that they can't make any difference between the European immigrants that came in France after www1 and www2 and the Muslim one .I spent hours to explain them that this first immigration was easily assimilated because of our common values, customs and RELIGION!
Certainly not ! We were not assimilated because of our common values
We were assimilated because we choose too ! those who didn’t want to stay returned to their country.
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They don't want to admit that Muslims are simply aliens.
Well I guess the foreigner are allways alien no ?
Sorry I’m ironic :D
The fact that they disregard religion in the name of "laicity" blind them on Islam antagonisms with both Western civilization and the so-called "laicity".
Laïc since 1905 ...
Well set in a comfortable way of life they don't want to be told about the prospect of a Civilization War between Western countries and Muslim world that could hit down their quiet and luxury life.
They do prefer giving lessons to others all around the world rather than questioning themselves.
Even if not Marxists, they have been poisoned by Marxism dictatorship of thoughts through medias and education and probably believe that they can change the world with their big trap and little balls.
« taking a deep breath to not laught »
These "bobo" think that France colonialism has exploited North-Africa and Africa and they use culpabilization against French people to justify their laxism towards Muslim immigration.
We didn’t exploited them ?
How did we paid the reparation of the 1870 war ? (several billion $)
The money didn’t appear magicly :)
Argue against them and you are systematically a racist who risk to be suited.
suited ?
Everybody who knows something about history of "Industrial revolution " in Europe in XIX century knows that the corebase was coalmining and steelworking.
Right
In France, those two were in North and Northeastern France (Lorraine disputed between France and Germany for that reason).
How clever was Louis XIV ! (Westphalie treaty)
He new the value of the ressource of this region more than 200 year before the industrial revolution …
I am a native from Lorraine: my parents and grand parents were labours in steelworking, and I can tell you and all those stupid "bobo " that Lorraine has never been neither in Africa nor in Arabian countries.
Native perhaps but ignorant of the history of his own area ?
Tss tss … I smell a troll.
This to say that no Industrial country (USA and Europe) got rich and powerful with coffee, tea, orange and bananas! From Africa. Worst, France spent a lot of money in Africa and Maghreb to help them to develop. Algeria benefits from heavy investments at a time it was a French colony. All that for peanuts.
Peanut in Algeria certainly not oil and gas yep ... end plenty of space to make nuclear tests :)
Should we have kept our money in our pocket that our economy would be more flourishing nowadays.
Without stealing their ressource ? I don’t think so.
Aside their anti-Christian mentality, the "bobo" has plaid an insane anti-patriotism activism, thinking that could help Europe nations to fuse in one.
I’m a patriot like my familly. France don’t need a patriot like this guy.
As a matter of fact Marxists took profit of the WWI European suicide to inject their stinking ideology.
They’re marxist… not idiot !
It is obvious that 90 yrs after WW1, France didn't really recover from it. Anybody who does visit France should take attention to the Death Monuments settled in the middle of each French village and little towns.You will find much more names engraved on stone than living inhabitants.
Finally something I agree with.
Btw the inhabitant are in bigger town now, the depopulation of the countryside is not related to the immigrant … it started century ago.
More than 1.5 millions of French brave guys on a population roughly 40 million sacrificed themselves with a self-abnegation that only Russians did equal during WW2 in the Stalingrad battle.
Adding probably 1 million more due to subsequent disease in 1918 and you get a reap of youth.
1.4 + 400 000 get your fact right !
Marxism took the opportunity of this drama and shock to spread in France through 2 political party: Socialist Party and then Communist Party. Both fuse in the Front Popular and won the election in 1936.
It’s the result democraty people voted and the right wing who enriched themselves during WWI was fired.
Worst they welcome in France their communist brothers from Spain and Italy after these two countries turned sad. Part of French communists are descendant of these Italian and Spanish communists.
Do you see the patern ? This guy just disgust me.
I guess it's better to have a ex nazi than a ex communist
Once in power their concerns were social sheme, offering holidays to workers, favoring class-strikes, puting the mess in armament factories, at a time a guy called Adolf Hitler was rearming his Reich. Every knows the following of the story.
No need to give hollyday to the people producing it’s better to impoverishe them !
I feel comunist all of a sudden (well I won’t be communist very long :D )
To end with the "bobo" and their hypocritical concerns with "social welfare ", they should learn that the first social protection for labours to be implemented in Europe was in German Reich by a man called Otto von Bismark. As you know , he was far to be a Marxist!
It was the way he choose to fight the Zentrum and the SPD.
Ask any german.
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In conclusion with Politicians and the "bobo" chapters: in a day we are celebrating the sacrifice of ww1generation , there is no need to say that the Braves are spinning in their tombs and trenches .Looking at "bobo" and politicians , and sick of it our Brave French ancestors are throwing out .they are not the only one .
I wonder if this cretin know how many muslim are buried in north of France ?
He just have to lookup « Tirailleurs sénégalais »
French popular mass does also: this is the so-called silent Majority formed with Middle class and labours .
They are both French rooted people and French native descendants of European immigrants, which made efforts to fuse in French people.
I guess they will be happy to know some one is posting their opinion without ever having asked what was really their opinion…
You can't see them demonstrating in street: THEY do WORK! Except when hit by unemployment .
They are bored of paying taxes:
to feed illegal immigrants
to assist lazy people who does not want to make any effort
yep I know some very french (for several generation) and even one from Lorraine who abuse the system since year…
to refill the loss of government owned companies
Can’t disagree
They are bored of being insulted of racist and fascist by the "bobo" , when they complain about Muslim unwillingness to accept our European values.
They are bored of corrupted politicians.
They are bored of strikes by a few Marxist activists, which nowadays do represent NOTHING in the Labour population.
In my humble opinion, I think the pot is boiling, nobody knows yet how and when it will explode.
Let me say something about the European immigrants in France:
Personnal opinion.
I disagree.
My father ancestors were Austrian and migrate in 1715 while my mother's parents were Italians and migrate in 1919. I was at school with the French native sons of Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish Hungarian immigrants. Their parents came in France with a snotty nose and nothing even a bundle. They work hard: to build a House, and to give a welI education to their children.
I grew up with their children. Never saw them rioting, selling drugs, burning cars.
THEY worked hard at school, they wanted to learn and get a job. Bloody hell! There was a kind of gentle competition between us to be the best at School!
Listen their was no criminality before the muslim came !
Serioulsy I can’t beleive somone can be that blind.
The "Bobo" and Politicians, who both never grew up with European immigrants, are so blinded by their **** "Republican Values and Laicity " that they ignore what made the fusion possible: CHRISTIAN VALUES andGRECO-ROMAN VALUES. Believers or not believers, most of European immigrants were educated at home through a remaining of CHRISTIAN VALUES.
I guess «Sarkozy» is a bobo and worst he is jew !
He certainly can't have christian values :p
I am not a believer, my Mum is a strong one. Even ignorant about religion, I was educated with mother's Christian values and I can tell you that I know all the benefit of them! Like it or not: These values are the Key success in both USA and Europe.
Ignorant or educated ?
rotfl this guy crack me up :D
So long we will keep them against winds and tides, we will survive.
Let the bastards of any kind undermine them, and we westerners will be destroyed.
Aliens: Those are the Muslims immigrants. There is nothing to be said about them (you saw them at TV news) except that our European politicians let them do their Djiad in our home with the support of stupid "bobo" who think that the riots are a expression of "social despair ". BULL****!
My late father was a labour and a non-believer, he worked with some Muslims labours in a steelwork company
Do what I say not what I do, the same guy who posted this:
to refill the loss of government owned companies
admit his one of the people who have abused the system :O
and therefore knew very much about their beliefs. Some of them were living in a house next to my grand mother's one, at a time the Muslims were staying as "single". Of course they were nice and helpful people.
But the day the Politicians bastards allow them to call their wife and family in France 30 yrs ago, my father who knew much about his Muslim colleagues told me something I will never forget.
"These Muslims are nice persons BUT they are different from us. Once settled, their Imans and Mollas will come and put their hand over Muslims. They will tell them to make as many children as they can to conquest and impose Islam. My bet that in 50 years, Europe will be the next Liban." Was he wrong? Have a look on TV news!
Some brave historians who dared facing the Marxist "well thinking ", told several years ago of a tough "wake-up" and a "RECONQUISTA " in all Europe in the future. Whatever the human cost, this reconquista will be beneficial for all Europeans, because it will remind them what are their real identity and VALUES. Those they should have never swapped for bull**** something values.
Diggers, that was long to write and long for you to read. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Please, do me a favor: be nice to repost it to how many blog you can: la shawn barber and so on
BEST REGARDS from FRANCE
I’m bored and tired perhaps I’ll rebute this part another day.
Enought for today.
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Thank you straffo for your words, I will read them. It is indeed better than just saying the guy is a neo-con and ending it with that.
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Thanks for the comment, it is appreciated. Your quotes pointed out one thing that struck me as a point that the guy really doesn't know about or at least understand some of what he was writing about. His comment about the free masons being an athiest society. That is actually backwards. You cannot be a free mason and be an atheist.
Now here is another question. Do you have any commentary or articles that are counter to this guy? There is very little here in the US about this and this is the only article I've seen about the riots from your country.
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Well all the article I read are :
usualy in french
in newspaper :)
I don't know how I can provide more information the only sources I've seen on internet who provide english informations are either left biased or right biased.
And 2 wrong never made 1 right.
Gunslinger my answer was certainly simpliste but IMO it was accurate.
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Originally posted by Maverick
You cannot be a free mason and be an atheist.
Actually, the French Grand Orient Lodges have been admitting Atheists for a long long time.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Actually, the French Grand Orient Lodges have been admitting Atheists for a long long time.
Yep a contrario to the english lodge , you can be Maçon and agnostic or athee
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Then they are violating one of the basic tenets of the organization. Under that circumstance I can't see how they would be considered free masons by the grand lodge in the US. There have been splinter groups before however.
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Quick question for Straffo..
Is there a French 'Resistance'? A Modern 'maquis' confronting the 'youth unrest'?
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Originally posted by Maverick
Then they are violating one of the basic tenets of the organization. Under that circumstance I can't see how they would be considered free masons by the grand lodge in the US. There have been splinter groups before however.
The French lodge are pretty different have their own way since 1800 (abour)
Btw I was wrong on this one :
Strange, the Police said it was mostly « primo déliquants » I guess they don’t know what they are speaking about …
The DGPN (head of police) said : 80% of the people under arrest were known by police (whatever it mean).
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That just means they have had contact with them. Usually by arresting them on other charges in the past.