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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bullethead on November 14, 2005, 01:05:49 AM
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Right now, the TOD will pretty much be limited to late-war US bombing Germany. To flesh this out, and to make other TOD situations possible, how about these planes?
German: He-111H, Do-17Z, Ju-87B and G, Ju-52, Hs-123, Me-410, Ju-88C and S, Do-217, He-177, Hs-129
Brit: Blenheim I, IF, and IV, Gladiator, Battle, Whirlwind, Beaufort, Beaufighter, Barracuda, Firefly, Swordfish, Albacore, Vengeance
French: Amiot 143, MS.406, Potez 630, Bloch MB-152, Breguet 691, Dewoitine D.520, Hawk 75
US: B-17F, B-24D, A-26, P-39, B-25s, SB2C, TBD,
Italian: Cant Z.1007, CR-42, G.50, BR-20, MC.200, Re 2000,
Russian: LaGG-3, Yak-1, Yak-7, Yak-9D, Yak-3, I-16, I-15*, Il-4, Pe-2, Pe-8, SB-2, Tu-2, TB-3, P-39. MiG-3, Su-2 (off the top of my head)
IJA: Ki-21, Ki-27, Ki-30, Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Ki-49
IJN: A5M, G4M, J1N, B6N, D4Y, P1Y
Others: Fokker D.XXI (various models), PZL P.23, PZL P.11
Night Bombing (assuming changes to radar system, oblique guns, etc.)
German: Nightfighter versions of Bf-110, Ju-88, and Do-217, He-219
Brit: Halifax, Wellington, Hampden, Stirling, Whitley
Geez, that's a buttload of planes. But if we want to do anything in TOD other than bomb Germany, without either glaring absences or hokey substitutions, we gotta start getting some of these birds.
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Does anyone ever get the feeling that all some people want to do is show how many WWII aircraft they can name?
~DaveJ
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My list is short and sweet:
Me-410B, P-61B-20, Ju-87G.
A Ju-88C or Ju-188 when the '88 gets redone would be nice too, though.
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i want one of these,aint it cute!!!!! 8 50,s in the nose plus 10 in the wings.!!!!
(http://[img]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c150/cobia38/a26.gif)[/IMG]
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That's not enough firepower.
~DJ
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Originally posted by ace31st
That's not enough firepower.
:confused:
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Originally posted by ace31st
That's not enough firepower.
~DJ
Not enough firepower?!?!? Forget about sawing pieces off. With a wide dispersion you would cause a fighter to DISINTIGRATE with that many .50's!
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With a quick browsing, I didn't see the Brewster (model 239, the Finnish one) on that list. ;)
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18 Fifty cals..... How many rounds per gun.
Man it would allow you to provide a smacking :)
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I was kidding gents.
:aok
~DJ
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Even the 8-pack nose with the 2 cheek guns each side of the B25J, they only had 300 rpg. That's still only a few bursts before all ammo is gone.
On A26 I think they'd have the same ammo limitations. Seems relatively standard. So even with those guns, you'd only get a few bursts. Sure, you can fire only primary and only secondary... But wait, I think they'd all be primary and bombs secondary -- whatever -- so even if you just fire 1 bank of guns at a time you'd only get a few more bursts, and what's the point of NOT hitting with 12+ 50cals at once?!?! :P
I'm all for it, but I think it'd be a better bomber buster than a fighter.
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Krusty I'm not sure but i think the A26 had segnificantly more than 300 rounds per gun. I'll see if i can find the info on it.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bullethead
Right now, the TOD will pretty much be limited to late-war US bombing Germany. To flesh this out, and to make other TOD situations possible, how about these planes?
German: He-111H, Do-17Z, Ju-87B and G, Ju-52, Hs-123, Me-410, Ju-88C and S, Do-217, He-177, Hs-129
Brit: Blenheim I, IF, and IV, Gladiator, Battle, Whirlwind, Beaufort, Beaufighter, Barracuda, Firefly, Swordfish, Albacore, Vengeance
French: Amiot 143, MS.406, Potez 630, Bloch MB-152, Breguet 691, Dewoitine D.520, Hawk 75
US: B-17F, B-24D, A-26, P-39, B-25s, SB2C, TBD,
Italian: Cant Z.1007, CR-42, G.50, BR-20, MC.200, Re 2000,
Russian: LaGG-3, Yak-1, Yak-7, Yak-9D, Yak-3, I-16, I-15*, Il-4, Pe-2, Pe-8, SB-2, Tu-2, TB-3, P-39. MiG-3, Su-2 (off the top of my head)
IJA: Ki-21, Ki-27, Ki-30, Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Ki-49
IJN: A5M, G4M, J1N, B6N, D4Y, P1Y
Others: Fokker D.XXI (various models), PZL P.23, PZL P.11
Night Bombing (assuming changes to radar system, oblique guns, etc.)
German: Nightfighter versions of Bf-110, Ju-88, and Do-217, He-219
Brit: Halifax, Wellington, Hampden, Stirling, Whitley
Geez, that's a buttload of planes. But if we want to do anything in TOD other than bomb Germany, without either glaring absences or hokey substitutions, we gotta start getting some of these birds.
SPOT ON BH :aok least some know what it is gonna take to get TOD where it needs to be............if it is going to prevail! with that list should be no buts or ifs about it.........;)
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Originally posted by ace31st
Does anyone ever get the feeling that all some people want to do is show how many WWII aircraft they can name?
~DaveJ
Maybe, but not in this case. BH and I have had some pretty good conversations about planeset expansion. In fact, I really wish I had the time and energy to work on what he has there. Though, as long as he has the D4Y and B6N in there, I'm happy lol.
-Sik
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Originally posted by ace31st
Does anyone ever get the feeling that all some people want to do is show how many WWII aircraft they can name?
~DaveJ
I'm just happy when some 2 week guy doesn't come in and name off 7 planes that we already have in game.
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Originally posted by nirvana
I'm just happy when some 2 week guy doesn't come in and name off 7 planes that we already have in game.
I agree with you there, but you have to admit, half of those planes wouldn't make a lick of difference in the way AH is played. They would either be too uber for everything, or just dog meat for the fighters.
~DaveJ
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Originally posted by Bullethead
German: He-111H, Do-17Z, Ju-87B and G, Ju-52, Hs-123, Me-410, Ju-88C and S, Do-217, He-177, Hs-129
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I agree with alot of the ones on the entire list. The one I'd really like to see is the Hs-129. I think it would be less of a hangar queen than the Ju-87. Massive firepower and good speed. Maybe have 2 versions of it available to fly. The standard one with the 20s and 30s then maybe perk the one armed with the 50. Thoughts?
Bonzzz
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Originally posted by ace31st
I agree with you there, but you have to admit, half of those planes wouldn't make a lick of difference in the way AH is played. They would either be too uber for everything, or just dog meat for the fighters.
~DaveJ
well not in the MA, NO....but in TOD, YES it would. you will fly what ever the scenario calls for so yes it would help tremendously to fill out the different battle fronts that were fought......
he opened with what is needed for TOD, not the MA.......just saying
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How about a carrier plane to take supplys/troops that actually has some gun turrets for defence dont know if such a plane exists?? does anyone know of one????? :confused:
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well not in the MA, NO....but in TOD, YES it would. you will fly what ever the scenario calls for so yes it would help tremendously to fill out the different battle fronts that were fought......
he opened with what is needed for TOD, not the MA.......just saying
Again TC, that is true, but I highly doubt AH is gonna make 50 new planes just for a couple of battle fronts. A few of them are needed yes, but some of these........not gonna happen.
~DJ
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What about some eye candy - like the Grumman Duck! Or the Catalina, Short Sunderland and other float planes. The Condor? Cool.
But I know what you're thinking - they'd have to have a purpose :(
- which is where the idea completely falls down.
(Quietly: 'Convoys? Submarines?')
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Originally posted by ace31st
Does anyone ever get the feeling that all some people want to do is show how many WWII aircraft they can name?
~DaveJ
Ft. Lee or one of the lucky beach bases? ;)
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[bi]ace31st said:[/b]
Again TC, that is true, but I highly doubt AH is gonna make 50 new planes just for a couple of battle fronts. A few of them are needed yes, but some of these........not gonna happen.
I agree that we'll never see some of these. However, how long can the TOD last if it's just 1 era of 1 type of fight in 1 theater? Folks will get bored very quickly.
IMHO, there are 2 main problems in getting the TOD really up to speed (assuming the underlying structure works OK). First, it needs more planes to fight other battles. However, that's still limited by the type of battle that can be fought without major additional work. IOW, I can see the TOD getting going relatively easily along the lines of what we've come to expect from the classic scenario: the focus is all air combat, with 1 or both sides bombing stuff and/or trying to keep from being bombed. However, there weren't that many air campaigns along just those lines. Battle of Britain, US vs. Germany, US vs. Japanese Home Islands, maybe Germans and Italians vs. Malta (discounting all the anti-shipping stuff going on on both sides), but that's about it. A huge part of the whole WW2 air effort was ground support, and air-land-sea battles. So to get beyond repetitive escort-the-buffs/kill-the-buffs situations with different planes, there has to be major development in non-air stuff as well as additional planes.
I have no idea what's easier from HTC's POV, adding planes or adding gameplay elements. However, I'd suspect the former, if for no other reason than they' ve had lots of practice already. So let's just look at adding planes. If we want the BoB, we need several new German buffs at least. If we want early US vs. Germany, we need early versions of the US buffs, maybe the P47C, and maybe some earlier versions of the FW and 110. If we want Malta, we need not only the German buffs already added, but pretty much the entire Italian air force, plus some early Brit buffs. Beyond that, you start adding a lot of ground support stuff, or naval stuff, or both, as well as scads of new planes.