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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 15, 2005, 09:14:37 AM
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It already has 50+ orders..its called the 747-8. Projected sales is somewhere around 900 planes over the next 20 years. Good news for employees in Everett:
SEATTLE, Nov. 14, 2005 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today officially launched the new Boeing 747-8 program, which includes the 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane and the 747-8 Freighter airplane.
Cargolux, based in Luxembourg, has ordered 10 747-8 Freighters and will take delivery of the first 747-8F in third-quarter 2009. It also holds purchase rights for 10 additional airplanes. Cargolux currently operates an all-Boeing fleet of 13 747-400 freighters.
Nippon Cargo Airlines, based in Japan, has ordered eight 747-8 Freighters and will receive its first airplane in fourth-quarter 2009. The airline also acquired options for six additional airplanes. Nippon Cargo currently operates 13 747 freighters and has six more 747-400Fs on order.
Firm orders from the two launch customers are valued at approximately $5 billion at list prices.
"We are thrilled to have Cargolux and Nippon Cargo choose the new 747-8 and become the launch customers for this next generation of the proud and valuable 747 airplane family," said Alan Mulally, president and chief executive officer, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 747-8 will use the technologies of the 787 Dreamliner to significantly increase the passenger and freighter capabilities of the 747 and offer greater fuel efficiency, improved operating economics, and be more friendly to the environment with reduced noise and emissions."
Both versions of the new 747 will feature GE's 787-technology GEnx engines, meet Stage 4 and QC2 noise requirements, have reduced emissions, offer lower trip costs and have an upgraded flight deck and an improved wing.
"The 747-8 Freighter will be very important in allowing Nippon Cargo to take advantage of the high expected cargo market growth in Asia," said Takuro Uchiyama, president and CEO, Nippon Cargo Airlines. "In addition, the 747-8 Freighter will be the world's most efficient cargo airplane, which is a key attribute with today's high cost of fuel."
Ulrich Ogiermann, president and CEO, Cargolux Airlines, said, "The Boeing 747-400 Freighter has been a cornerstone of our success, and I have high expectations that the 747-8 Freighter will build on that success and expand our capabilities worldwide. The increased payload capacity and much improved efficiency will allow us to continue our expansion and maximize our profitability. Equally important to us and the communities where we operate is the new standard the 747-8 Freighter will set in noise reduction."
The 747-8 Intercontinental passenger airplane will be stretched 3.6 m (11.7 ft) compared to the 747-400 to accommodate 34 additional seats in a typical three-class configuration. The only jetliner in the 400- to 500-seat category, it will have a range of 14,815 km (8,000 nmi) and will feature the new Boeing Signature Interior.
The Intercontinental will be quieter, produce fewer emissions, and achieve better fuel economy than any competing jetliner. It will offer 21 percent more lower-hold revenue cargo volume than the 747-400 and cost about 8 percent less per seat mile to operate. Compared to the A380, it will offer 22 percent lower trip costs.
The 747-8 Freighter will be 5.6 m (18.3 ft) longer than the 747-400 freighter. With a total payload capacity of 140 metric tonnes (154 tons), including tare weight, the 747-8F provides 16 percent more cargo revenue volume than the -400. The additional 117m³ (4,124 ft³) from the longer fuselage offers space for four additional main-deck pallets, two additional lower-hold pallets and two additional lower-hold containers. Cargo can be loaded and unloaded on the 747-8F using both the nose and side doors for maximum speed and efficiency.
Compared to the A380, the 747-8F will offer 20 percent lower trip costs. In addition, the 747-8F will maintain the operational flexibility of today's 747 freighters, with good profit potential at less-than-full loads.
The 747-8 Freighter complements the existing 747-400 freighter family, which is the air-cargo industry's standard. Both models accommodate 3.1-meter (10-foot) high pallets, providing operators with maximum flexibility.
The 747-8 also fits easily in today's aviation infrastructure, flying into more than 210 airports worldwide without additional, expensive infrastructure changes required.
The 747 freighter family currently constitutes more than half of the world's total freighter capacity. Boeing freighters of all models comprise more than 90 percent of the total worldwide freighter lift.
Boeing forecasts the need for about 900 airplanes -- passengers and freighters -- in the 400-plus-seat segment over the next 20 years. Boeing also forecasts that large widebody freighters (65 metric tons and above in capacity) will comprise 34 percent of the freighter market by 2024.
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That is good news, the 747 is my favorite plane.
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I bet Airbus just crapped itself.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I bet Airbus just crapped itself.
They're building a new plane too, to complete with the 787....
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
They're building a new plane too, to complete with the 787....
Yeah, but now the 380 also has to compete with this new 747.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yeah, but now the 380 also has to compete with this new 747.
Good point.
Analyst Richard Aboulafia said the 747-8 launch will likely increase pressure on rival Airbus, which is preparing for its superjumbo A380 to enter service next year. A new, slightly larger 747 could potentially reduce the market for Airbus's plane, a mammoth offering that can carry between 550 and 800 passengers in a doubledecker cabin.
"It helps box the A380 into an even smaller niche," Aboulafia said.
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Originally posted by Sven
Competition is good! Frankly I'm surprised it took Boeing this long to meet the A380 with an upscaled 747.
What plane is Airbus developing to match the 787?
A350:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601317.html
I believe that the funding for this was shot down by EADS this past summer (The governments were not willing to tax the citizens for yet another new airplane program) I'm not sure if they're still planning to go forward with this or not.
This new -8 will not cost alot since its not a start-up grass roots airplane model. It will be a nice cash cow for the lately-declining sales of 747's. We've not sold a new one since 2002.
Edit: Update on the A350: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610216/
They are indeed going ahead, but Government aid is pending for now.
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Originally posted by Sven
Competition is good! Frankly I'm surprised it took Boeing this long to meet the A380 with an upscaled 747.
The focus here has been totally 787. The market drives the need for new aircraft. When the market said "We need something between 400 and 800 passenger" or requirements for a larger cargo aircraft, but not as large as the A380, thats when Boeing acts, otherwise it may be money that wasted in R&D.
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If there wasn´t competition we would travel around the world in some really old scheissecan.
Next winner on this race is that who manages to make flying wing. Much more effective than normal wing-fuselage system. Main problem is how to sell the idea to customers.. Also large wingspan makes airports small. Maybe samekind of wingfolding system which is installed on carrier AC? 100m wingspan-->70m?
We will c...
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
If there wasn´t competition we would travel around the world in some really old scheissecan.
The Norse scheissecann was an extremely well designed vessel for it's day.
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What's Boing's number name plan after the 797 comes out?
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808 ?
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Are those wings in the graphic the ones they're going to use on the production aircraft? Unconventional but kinda cool looking.
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Not sure Eskimo, no memos have been sent our way regarding that subject.:O
Seriously, it will most likely be an 8 number. 8 is also a lucky number in the Chinese culture, one of our biggest customers...
Boeing Naming convention wisdom:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0134.shtml
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Originally posted by indy007
Are those wings in the graphic the ones they're going to use on the production aircraft? Unconventional but kinda cool looking.
Yes, its a composite wing, with the winglet formed into the composite wing. They scrapped the cool looking tail for the 787 for a more conventional tail...apparently it wasn't as aerodynamic as first thought...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
...Seriously, it will most likely be an 8 number. 8 is also a lucky number in the Chinese culture, one of our biggest customers...[/url]
Wong Tsu would be happy
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What I find funny is that whereas people pooh-poohed the ~500 passenger model as "too big, too heavy, would take too long to load/unload, would need airport infrastructure changes" when Airbus introduced the A380, now that Boeing has come up with its own ~500 seat plane, some of the same people are swooning over the concept as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. :lol
:aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
What I find funny is that whereas people pooh-poohed the ~500 passenger model as "too big, too heavy, would take too long to load/unload, would need airport infrastructure changes" when Airbus introduced the A380, now that Boeing has come up with its own ~500 seat plane, some of the same people are swooning over the concept as if it's the best thing since sliced bread. :lol
:aok
Only because it can use the existing airport infrastructure and the fact that it cuts trip costs by 20%, thats my guess.