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Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Mister Fork on November 15, 2005, 06:18:40 PM

Edit #4. Added Spitfire VIII, removed Bf109G-10.

Aircraft and Vehcile Service Dates
Updated: November 15, 2005


Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... 5-42
B-17G ... 6-43
B-24J ... 5-43
B-26B ... 5-42
C-47A ... 12-41
P-38G ... 11-42
P-38J ... 12-43(ETO) 2-44(PTO)
P-38L ... 7-44
P-40B ... 1-41
P-40E ... 8-41
P-47D-11 ... 3-43(D5) to 1-44(D11)
P-47D-25 ... 5-44
P-47D-40 ... 1-45(ETO)
P-47N ... 6-45
P-51B ... 12-43(ETO),8-44(CBI)
P51D ... 5-44(ETO),1-45(CBI&PTO)
F4F-4 ... 9-41(ETO),5-42(PTO)
FM-2 ... 6-44(ETO),10-44(PTO)
F6F-5 ... 7-44
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
F4U-1D ... 4-44
F4U-1C ... 4-45
F4U-4 ... 4-45
F6F-5 ... 7-44
SBD-5 ... 5-43
TBM-3 ... 2-43

Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 6-44
Typhoon IB ... 6-43

Soviet
Il-2 Type 3 ... 10-42
La-5FN ... 3-43
La-7 ... 6-44
Yak-9T ... 1-43
Yak-9U ... 7/8-44

Italy
C.202 ... 11-41
C.205 ... 1-43

Japan
A6M2 ... 7-40
A6M5b ... 8-43
B5N2  ... 7-40
D3A-1 ... 7-40
Ki-61 ... 6-43
Ki-84-la ... 8-44 (CBI),10-44(PTO)
Ki-67 ... 4-44
N1K2-J ... 1-45

Germany
Ar 234B ... 12-44
Bf 109E-4 ... 5-40
Bf 109F-4 ... 6-41
Bf 109G-2 ... 6-42
Bf 109G-6 ... 2-43
Bf 109G-14 ... 7-44
Bf 109K-4 ... 10-44
Bf 110C-4b ... 8-40
Bf 110G-2 ... 5-42
Fw 190A-5 ... 6-43
Fw 190A-8 ... 2-44
Fw 190D-9 ... 12-44
Fw 190F-8 ... 4-44
Ju 88A-4 ... 5-41
Me 262 ... 10-44
Me 163 ... 9-44
Ta 152H ... 1-45

Vehicles
USA
LVT(A)2 ...2-44
LVT(A)4 ...3-44
M-3 Halftrack...3-41
M-8 ...9-42
M-16 ...5-43

Germany
Ostwind ... 8-44
Panzer IV Type H ... 8-44
Tiger I ...8-42

Soviet
T-34/76 ... 2-43

Theatres of Operations
PTO - Pacific
ETO - Europe
CBI - China-Burma-India/CHINA-BURMA-INDIA

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: mussie on November 15, 2005, 07:28:25 PM

Nice Work

:aok

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Mister Fork on November 17, 2005, 09:07:59 AM

If there no more comments, I'm going to ask Skuzzy to STICK this. Thanks everyone for your help in making this list complete!

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Virage on November 17, 2005, 09:22:06 AM

Nice job!

Is the P47N a post-WII aircraft?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Sable on November 17, 2005, 09:28:52 AM

WWII ended in 8-45.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: F4UDOA on November 17, 2005, 10:06:27 AM

Is this combat service or just in service?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Bruno on November 17, 2005, 10:15:48 AM

The F6F-5 is listed twice.

The La-5FN didn't see combat until Kursk July-August '43: (7 / 8-43)

10. IAK
since ca. 23.7.43 - 3.8.1943
Gen. Mjr. M. M. Golovnia

---- 201. IAD
---- Col. V.A. Sryvkin

-------- 13. IAP (La-5FN) Mjr. A. K. Lyshkov
-------- 236. IAP (Jak-1) Capt. S. M. Petrukhov
-------- 437. IAP (La-5FN) Mjr. M. S. Khvostikov

You need to check with Tilt but I don't think the La-5FN was deployed that far in advance (5 months).

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Bruno on November 17, 2005, 10:16:37 AM

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
Is this combat service or just in service?

Squadron Service / Full deployment

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Virage on November 17, 2005, 11:21:03 AM

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Originally posted by Sable
WWII ended in 8-45.

Did the p47n serve in the pacific?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Sable on November 17, 2005, 11:58:49 AM

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Originally posted by Virage
Did the p47n serve in the pacific?

Yes, the additional fuel allowed it to be used as an escort for the B-29s.  I believe they operated from Iwo Jima.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Mister Fork on November 17, 2005, 01:22:07 PM

Edits to do:
- change service date of La-5 to 7-43.
- remove the duplicate F6F

anything else?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: 1K3 on November 17, 2005, 01:50:27 PM

about the USSR plane deployments

from '42 VVS pilots were still flying i-16, mig3s, and lagg-3s, and brand new P-39s from USA right?  then in 43 the *fighter gap* becamee very narrow when yaks9s and la5s appeared in # right?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: 1K3 on March 19, 2007, 03:36:42 AM

Isn't our 3-gun La-7 with improved suppose to be a (April) 1945 plane?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Stoney74 on March 19, 2007, 08:32:23 AM

You may want to provide an asterisk or some other annotation for those planes that were basically the same, but had earlier versions.  I.e.  F4F4 date of 5-42 in PTO could be a bit confusing if someone doesn't know the F4F3 was in service much earlier.  SBD and TBM are also good examples.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Bruno on March 19, 2007, 09:07:21 AM

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You may want to provide an asterisk or some other annotation for those planes that were basically the same, but had earlier versions. I.e. F4F4 date of 5-42 in PTO could be a bit confusing if someone doesn't know the F4F3 was in service much earlier. SBD and TBM are also good examples.

The list isn't compiled for stupid or lazy people - this list, or a forum of it, has been researched and re-researched since AH began. The point is to get an accurate list of service dates (not production or proto-type etc...) so that those planning event / scenarios can use it as a reference. It's up to the event / scenario designer to decide what planes will be used as a 'substitute' and its up to him to make an argument (hopefully) based on accurate service introduction dates. If he feels the SBD-5 or F4F-4 can 'stand in' for earlier models then  that's his responsibility to explain why.

What gets confusing for folks is when the list contains asterisks and other qualifiers showing dates for planes not in the game. Some may make assumptions that since such and such plane saw service in July '44 and the other in March '44 that they are 'close' enough - where as others may not agree.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Puck on March 19, 2007, 09:19:08 AM

F4U-1A

F4U-1 Feb 1943 PTO

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Squire on March 19, 2007, 09:25:27 AM

"F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)"

The 1st date is PAC.

"The list isn't compiled for stupid or lazy people"

Actually... it is. ;) j/k.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: 1K3 on March 19, 2007, 10:35:56 AM

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Originally posted by Puck
F4U-1A

F4U-1 Feb 1943 PTO

F4U1-A is definately very late '43 to 1944

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Bronk on March 19, 2007, 10:56:53 AM

According to AHT
VMF-124 is declared operational Dec 28 '42.

Bronk

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Puck on March 19, 2007, 12:17:26 PM

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Originally posted by Bronk
According to AHT
VMF-124 is declared operational Dec 28 '42.

Bronk

Arrived Guadalcanal 12 Feb, 1943.  I have not read of any combat missions flown before this date, but that is, or course, a possibility.  Heck, I disagree with some of the people I SERVED with on the particulars of operations conducted only 23 years ago, so who knows what happened in 1943.

The difference is only 46 days; enough wiggle room for the purposes of this list I'd think.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: 1K3 on March 19, 2007, 01:38:13 PM

Quote

Originally posted by 1K3
Isn't our 3-gun La-7 with improved suppose to be a (April) 1945 plane?

i meant to say Isn't our 3-gun La-7 with improved performance suppose to be a (April) 1945 plane?

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Easyscor on March 19, 2007, 01:56:32 PM

Great work Mister Fork!

Looks like it’s time to update my spreadsheet again.

And good to see your face again Bruno. :)

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Spikes on March 19, 2007, 02:17:52 PM

Good work! I am using this on a project!

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Brooke on March 19, 2007, 03:08:01 PM

Very nice!  Thanks for the compilation of this info.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Krusty on March 19, 2007, 03:11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Easyscor
And good to see your face again Bruno. :)

Check the dates.

Title: Update#4 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates
Post by: Bruno on March 19, 2007, 03:35:15 PM

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Originally posted by Easyscor
Great work Mister Fork!

Looks like it’s time to update my spreadsheet again.

And good to see your face again Bruno. :)

I pop in now and again...

Quote

Actually... it is.  j/k.

That's definitely true of today :p

At one time the people who were contributing were also the ones it was created for.