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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BluKitty on November 16, 2005, 02:42:12 PM
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So is donut gone, or was that a troll?
how about HTC does a survey at login on map's..... players favorite, and least favorite map.
If Donut isn't the least liked, can we keep it? I feel from talking to other players maps like Trinity/Equilibrium & Frac3 are disliked..... but that is just a feeling.
Maybe we could get a survey before Donut is trashed?
I reallly liked donut, and don't think I am alone.
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no donut isn't gone, skuzzy was going to boot it but everyone wanted it to stay so he threatened us with if we whine (i didn't think we whined but whatever) about toolshed doofs destroying the fun for us for no reason then he will kill it.
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no donut isn't gone, skuzzy was going to boot it but everyone wanted it to stay so he threatened us with if we whine (i didn't think we whined but whatever) about toolshed doofs destroying the fun for us for no reason then he will kill it.
Why in gods name would they boot a map that so many people like?
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HT, I have no idea what's between you and Cav, but you're post was so oblique that it left the Donut question open.
In many circumstances, you seem to let things play out with minimal intervention from on high -- but I'd appreciate at least knowing whether Cav's impressions about donut were correct.
If not, letting us know there's no foundation will squash this tempest in its teapot. If Donut is in jeapardy, discussion seems reasonable. If Donut's dead, then thsoe who like the map may prefer to play inthe backup MA while they can....but I think we'd like to know.
With respect,
Simaril
woohooo -- post number 1000!! -- (I guess it doesnt take much to make my day)
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Thank you for being a voice of reason Sim.....I am not trolling...I am bringing to the BB what I read on 200 in the MA in responce to PMing skuzzy asking 2 have donut next.........ANyone that doesnt believe me fine but I know there was atleast 140 logged on @ the time and some of u saw it cuz people responded 2 skuzzy saying NO and WTF......If anyone was filming between 1:55 and 1:59 Eastern today please go into your film and read what skuzzy wrote....
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cav, if the donut map were to leave, it is because it creates sutch a rift between the different type of players.
In your comming in here saying the sky is falling, you will be exasterbating that issue, hence if anything you would be acctualy promoting the posible demise of the donut map.
Finaly Skuzzy does not make the dissions of what maps we use and do not use. There for skuzzy was not going to boot it. Nor would he have said he would be.
HiTech
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Because of a map?
Do you play? Under a shades posibly. I havent seen you in there prime time in god knows how long. Hitech In fact I can't remember the last time I've seen you flying amongst us when near 600 other players are on. Beta yes, but that was when we had 60 players in there on a good night.
Do you understand how and why this rift is there?
I dont think you do. I say that because I havent seen you in there on the real watermelon nights, when there isn't a single fight, only dead hangers, porked fields and mass of hordes avoiding one another to take as many bases as posible to win this reset. Resetting maps, dropping bombs, and winning wars. That's all that matters now in the MA. Atleast so it seems.
That rift is there because anyone who gave a watermelon about fighters is looked at now as useless, bully furballers for if they are not carrying bombs and dropping troops, they are of no use to the new Aces High.
This donut map, the one you're holding over our heads... Gave those who wanted to fight, a place to do so. And it let the ones who wanted to take bases and hord, and win this reset, do so.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Because of a map?
Do you play? Under a shades posibly. I havent seen you in there prime time in god knows how long. Hitech In fact I can't remember the last time I've seen you flying amongst us when near 600 other players are on. Beta yes, but that was when we had 60 players in there on a good night.
Do you understand how and why this rift is there?
I dont think you do. I say that because I havent seen you in there on the real watermelon nights, when there isn't a single fight, only dead hangers, porked fields and mass of hordes avoiding one another to take as many bases as posible to win this reset. Resetting maps, dropping bombs, and winning wars. That's all that matters now in the MA. Atleast so it seems.
That rift is there because anyone who gave a watermelon about fighters is looked at now as useless, bully furballers for if they are not carrying bombs and dropping troops, they are of no use to the new Aces High.
This donut map, the one you're holding over our heads... Gave those who wanted to fight, a place to do so. And it let the ones who wanted to take bases and hord, and win this reset, do so.
And it was only 3 fields out of like 100.
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Thanks for the information, HT.
Just a thought -- I've noticed that where possible, you let things work themselves out. I believe that was in the process of happening with donut during its short run. When the "war winners" took the central donut, others saw that as unfair and banded together to re-establish the equilibrium. In the same way, once the "war winners" got used to the idea of working with smaller capture teams on this one map, they might find the base capture process was actually easier. They would simply have changed tactics, maybe by abandoning a small horde capture when they couldnt break defense, or by organizing multi-pronged missions to divide the response.
In any case, the AH crew is nothing if not adaptable and creative. Everybody would have found a way to get what they like from that map. We adapted to the new BBS rules, we can adjust to donut. Just my $0.02.
As for the rest of us -- I'd suggest we just let the issue lie, and see how things pan out. Its pretty clear that the last thing HTC wants from a map is conflict, so it would be unwise for us to stir some up.
:aok
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Can someone post an image of what this donut map is? I don't even know what one yer all talking about.
For that matter, does anyone have one of Pizza?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Because of a map?
Do you play? Under a shades posibly. I havent seen you in there prime time in god knows how long. Hitech In fact I can't remember the last time I've seen you flying amongst us when near 600 other players are on. Beta yes, but that was when we had 60 players in there on a good night.
I think I've seen this HiTech character flying once or twice. He seems to have some influence over what happens at HTC or so I'm told.
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Oh once or twice? Wow.. how kind. I've seen him on quite a bit, but not durring prime time with over 600 players on when the hordes are running full out. Maybe then he'd have a better uderstanding of how the hordes are.
Im not trying to tell him how to run his company. I couldnt care less.
He's going to tell me that a map is putting a rift between the players. Jesus, that rift has been there all alone, the same one for how many years.
So im going to call it bullchit.
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Not put it there morph, but makes the fricksion greater.
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Hitech...Go back and read my original post buddy...Before jumping to conclusions....The intent of my post was to gather support so your crew knew how the community felt
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I'm gonna use a really bad analogy here, but it's a image that came to mind reading this thread....
An image came to mind of those south african chaps who play with the great white sharks by grabbing their noses. Think if you may, HT is the great white shark and your hand is the donut map. If you keep annoying him, that hand is gonna be lost within due coarse. Let it go, just let the subject drop...:D
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Bring back the Donut Map Have been waiting for that Map since it 1st came out wth:( Game play sucks these days we need it back:mad:
My 2 cents:O
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Originally posted by hitech
Not put it there morph, but makes the fricksion greater.
Really tho what it was was player induced friction, not because of the map but because of game play.
Its no different than when the map warriors go climbing into take town with their Heavy P38's and start captureing the V-Base. They pissed and moaned just like the guys who fly fighters did when the map warriors took over fighter town. And tank town, with trinity has been around for a couple years now with great success.
I dont think you gave donut a fair shot in the MA. This board tells only a small % of what goes on in the MA. And its mainly full of half truths at that.
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Originally posted by mars01
Why in gods name would they boot a map that so many people like?
Because we are our own worse enemy!
Originally posted by Nomde
I'm gonna use a really bad analogy here, but it's a image that came to mind reading this thread....
An image came to mind of those south african chaps who play with the great white sharks by grabbing their noses. Think if you may, HT is the great white shark and your hand is the donut map. If you keep annoying him, that hand is gonna be lost within due coarse. Let it go, just let the subject drop...:D
Or you could see the shark as part of the paying player base. There are still a good number of those who like to just mix it up and as this game gets further from that they begin to feel alienated... just sayin
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I agree with DUD....Another good one is DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS
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Originally posted by hitech
cav, if the donut map were to leave, it is because it creates sutch a rift between the different type of players.
Strife? That map brought about one of my most fav. moments in the AH MA.
The Bish had taken all of the "furball" fields, and I was sent a p.m. from a Rook saying that they were going to try and retake fighter town fields, and would the Knights help.
I got many Knight squads involved, we launched a mission, and for the next hour or so the knit's and rooks worked together and took their fields back.
The greatest moment was watching a knight c47 being escorted by rooks, and those rooks helping the knights take back their field. I don't think there was more than one friendly fire incedent.
If anything, that map created some unity in your player base.
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cav, if the donut map were to leave, it is because it creates sutch a rift between the different type of players.
The goal of the map was to separate each aspect of the player base on the map. Furballers had the furball arena with the fields at 5K and boats in the middle to run to. The GV bases around the furball area to act like a natural barrier to prevent attacks from the outside. Finally the Zone system to enhance the strategic aspect of the map, enabling strat players to fucus on wining the map without interacting with the first two. The last aspect of the map is the sea, giving the fleets main focus to engage other fleets and capture key fields behind enemy lines.
Although, we are watching the rift between the player base in regards to the furball, and this was not expected. We assumed some type of maturity would be there in regards to different types of game play styles.
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please dont let this game be another cliche'd "victim of its own success." I hope htc remains supportive of all its players and not just the majority.
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{Finaly Skuzzy does not make the dissions of what maps we use and do not use. There for skuzzy was not going to boot it. Nor would he have said he would be.}- Hitech......
Please tell Skuzzy not to say anything like that in channel 200 then...You skuzz and the rest of your crew are the man...You have an awesome game going on here.....
I feel as the CEO of a company you really need to work on understanding the needs of the community though HTC....This is like the 5th time im saying this...The intent of my post was to petion like support for DONUT so the HTC crew understood the community did not want to lose this map....DONT accuse me of coming in here and saying the sky is falling...Im not the one who said on channel 200 that theres a chance donut will never see the MA again...
and have a good day
Cav
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cav you are your worst enemy
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I made a post awhile back making some suggestions on how to keep the rift down on the Donut Map. Several others posted some good suggestions in hopes to make it more user friendly for all the players.
HT is it possible to MOD the map some to make it enjoyable for all. By making it impossible for the FT portion of the map to be captured would end all arguing about the map. I am sure there is an easy solution to making those fields uncapturable.
Please read up on the below Thread for some suggestions.
Suggestions on Donut Map (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=161942)
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Originally posted by cav58d
I agree with DUD....Another good one is DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS
Yes, somewhat true
but on the same token, the customer is always right {you know what I mean}
and without them OR many of them, you as a company make less $$$
I see both sides
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Donut is in the MA.
Now hush.
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After all the BS here, donut is in the MA. Amazing. :)
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Trolled, Hooked, and tossed away like bait fish.
Karma.
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Have we been bambossled?
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That avatard freaks me out.
We've seen one of 2 things: Skuzzy, bored, and trolling, or the power of the community as a whole. Regardless, donut is up.
:aok
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I say we bomb the fighter hangers. :aok
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We have seen the Communitys Voice be heard....
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As I first suspected, I think Skuzzy trolled us all haha. If so, wtfg Skuzzmeister wooowooo!
:lol
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Yes you did stangypoo, you called it.
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Originally posted by MOIL
but on the same token, the customer is always right {you know what I mean}
and without them OR many of them, you as a company make less $$$
I see both sides [/B]
Some what true but My view point is now.
Give the customer what he wants, not what he asked for.
HiTech
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Woooo.. I give this thread a 10 for lousy spelling!
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Whenever Donut is not the current MA map,why not have it up in the backup MA?
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Originally posted by WMLute
Strife? That map brought about one of my most fav. moments in the AH MA.
The Bish had taken all of the "furball" fields, and I was sent a p.m. from a Rook saying that they were going to try and retake fighter town fields, and would the Knights help.
I got many Knight squads involved, we launched a mission, and for the next hour or so the knit's and rooks worked together and took their fields back.
The greatest moment was watching a knight c47 being escorted by rooks, and those rooks helping the knights take back their field. I don't think there was more than one friendly fire incedent.
If anything, that map created some unity in your player base.
Lute and Karaya for Pres. :aok I'll never forget that, that is my fav. AH moment. Look at what my PM to you caused for 2 hours, Muhahahahaha!
May "The Truce" live in Infamy!!!
Karaya
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"Cav, you are your own worst enemy." - HiTech
When you analyze that for a few minutes you'll grasp the golden ring.
Karaya
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Wooo wooot Great Troll HTC! You guys had me all along freaking out all ready to cancel my account and never look back, thinking you were really walking away from the fighter aspect of this game LOLH.
Donut is a great map and brings back some hope for the fighter pilots of this game and for it's future. To kill this map would have sent the signal that the fighter pilots are a mere after thought and base capture is the only thought for HTC.
It has been hard enough with maps like Frac et-al to keep logging in and having fun. If it wasn't for the great group of guys in our squad I would have been long gone already. Then once Donut was released and we actually had a great place to fight it felt like there was hope.
Thank you for keeping this game alive for me.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Whenever Donut is not the current MA map,why not have it up in the backup MA?
That'd be cool. :)
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Originally posted by mars01
Donut is a great map and brings back some hope for the fighter pilots of this game and for it's future. To kill this map would have sent the signal that the fighter pilots are a mere after thought and base capture is the only thought for HTC.
Agreed ...... thx HTC :aok
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by cav58d
We have seen the Communitys Voice be heard....
Have we? Or just a select few that you agree with? Why was the war brought to the boards the last time that map was up if the "Community" was so much on your side? There would have been no dissenting opinion.
Now, this thread is quiet so far because one segment of the population hasn't started slamming other segments of the population as happened the last time. Wonder what will happen when somebody level bombs the FH and takes a base as is the custom.
FYI The map doesn't bother me but I know it does a lot of the "Community". I don't defend in Fighter Town since the last war started to be fought in here. If it gets vulched/taken...so be it. Do I want to see it gone? Not particularly. Am I going to evangelize about it? Nope.
I guess the "Hail, We Have Seen The Communitys Voice Be Heard. Hail, Hail." seemed a little Pompous.
By making it impossible for the FT portion of the map to be captured would end all arguing about the map.
No, it would not. It would just generate cries of special dispensation and cause more of a friction. In effect it would be a seperate game without being seperate.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
In effect it would be a seperate game without being seperate.
Good!
And thanks for stopping by:aok
I should add that the majority of the game IMO are the land grabbers. I don't believe a seperate area for just the furballer types will cause moer friction. The friction happens when the furballers and/or the land grabbers interrfer with each others fun. If you devote an area for just the furballers, then they are out of the land grabbers hair and each is happily doing his own thing. The only reason it erupted last time was b/c one side couldn't leave the other alone and it turned into a big purse fight. If they made 3 fields in an area that was uncapturable, I think the tension would ease not rise.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Oh once or twice? Wow.. how kind. I've seen him on quite a bit, but not durring prime time with over 600 players on when the hordes are running full out. Maybe then he'd have a better uderstanding of how the hordes are.
Im not trying to tell him how to run his company. I couldnt care less.
He's going to tell me that a map is putting a rift between the players. Jesus, that rift has been there all alone, the same one for how many years.
So im going to call it bullchit.
Keep digging.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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no you just bite better than you lay it out.
shoudl just let the issue die, imo.
map is back. what more needs to be said.
i dont think we are in the oclub. so this issue does not need to be addressed politicly.
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I don't give a rat's bellybutton what you think.
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:lol
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Geocashing. :lol :rofl :p
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geocashing... snicker..
I got to say... played the donut last night and I don't think any of the 60 or so guys in it even gave the toolsheders a second thought..
An area like this in every map might just end all the animosity.. I had no animosity toward the mouse wielders at all last night... was to busy having fun.. they in turn probly didn't miss the noble furballers making them look bad either.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Somewhere a new kitten has been born.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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See Rule #4