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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Howitzer on November 16, 2005, 04:07:38 PM
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Ok, here is the situation:
You and one other teamate are heading to a base your team has been trying to capture for a while. You get the base in view and notice that your entire offense has been clobbered by a multitude of bad red guys. Your offense is now all upping to form a conga line from your base to the one you are trying to capture, but won't make it to your position for another 5 minutes or so. You have alt on the bad guys (Say there are 15+), and you are out of ack range.
Do you:
A) Look at the opposing horde and say to yourself: "Gee self, I wonder how many I can kill before I buy it", then dive in and unleash hell.
B) Turn around and fly several miles to meet up with your conga line and all die together.
C) Fly past the horde to vulch people taking off on the runway before someone runs you down or ack kills you.
D) Fly to a nearby base where the odds are more in your favor.
Keep in mind, there are no wrong answers, just curious to see how folks think. I used to be a B, but now I find that I'm more of an A.... I just die quite a bit more :D
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More often then not my answer is-A -Dive in and see what happens knowing planes are free and I don't really die.
I will on occasion if squadies are following, rev to them and at least try and have a wing to dive into the mess with.
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A
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hmm good question. most of the time i am definetly A, But if i am in a plane i am not used to i might go with C or maybe A then C when they gte on my 6. 99% of the time it is A though...
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A
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After reading A, I didn't have the patience to read through the rest of the options... So I'll go with A. But it depends on the situation, if I'm with the squad on a fighter sweep, I'd gladly wait for some of them to join me. :)
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when i did play:
E) keep the alt advantage, and cherrypick the more dangerous planes (LA7's, 109's {because they can climb up to me fastest}, hizooka planes becuase 1 ping means no RTB). once there are 4-5 friendlies in the area, then dive in like a bat outta he11, killing everything i can before getting killed / damaged. and use the new planes diving in as bait killing the enemies that try and catch them
more i think about it, it all depends on what i plane i am in. in my dora days, what i said above is what i'd do. if in a spit, id' try and drag some low towards the friendlies comming, hoping for a furball. if a 109 or something that is not uber, well... i kind of lean towards flying toward the incomming friendlies.
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C
I must maintain my fighter score so I don't get kicked out of teh BKs :cry
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A, but I prefer fights that are more or less evenly matched in numbers.
I'll take me vs a horde over me in a horde vs one though.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Ok, here is the situation:
You and one other teamate are heading to a base your team has been trying to capture for a while. You get the base in view and notice that your entire offense has been clobbered by a multitude of bad red guys. Your offense is now all upping to form a conga line from your base to the one you are trying to capture, but won't make it to your position for another 5 minutes or so. You have alt on the bad guys (Say there are 15+), and you are out of ack range.
Do you:
A) Look at the opposing horde and say to yourself: "Gee self, I wonder how many I can kill before I buy it", then dive in and unleash hell.
B) Turn around and fly several miles to meet up with your conga line and all die together.
C) Fly past the horde to vulch people taking off on the runway before someone runs you down or ack kills you.
D) Fly to a nearby base where the odds are more in your favor.
Keep in mind, there are no wrong answers, just curious to see how folks think. I used to be a B, but now I find that I'm more of an A.... I just die quite a bit more :D
If you're looking for the correct answer of "E - all of the above" - the Blue Knights recruiting office would like to speak with you.
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A...
but... i'd BnZ a little bit trying to keep them tied up to give the conga line time to arrive.
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A) Until I'm shot up and my blood and/or oil makes it impossible to see. Then C, so I can take a few more down with me
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A
That's how I run all my sorties :noid
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Didn't see the answer I prefer.
I would start with the highest con and try shoot down or force that one lower. And if I managed that go for the next highest, then rinse and repeat.
Why?
Because I've watched many fly into this stuff low and get vulched and die in this type of situation. IMHO they aren't doing much to stop such a hord when they come in low but do feed the other sides scores and incorridge the attackers (heard it many times! hey ez kills at such and such there all LOW!) . True some of the attackers dive low to shoot em but.... Why not try to engage at least co-alt? So I try to force em low where the others can get at em. Flying low alt into a hord with alt on you is very nearly suicide IMHO. But I guess everyone has their idea of what is fun, and it is their $14.95 soooooo...............
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A
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I am with Shane on this one. Since u say I have alt on the bogies, and the friendlies are only about 5 minutes away, I would BnZ as best I can without givving up my advantage just for a kill to keep them low. Most likely getting a couple of kills before the backup arrives. Then once the numbers are a bit more even, I would make a decision wether to dive in and begin turnfighting, or continue to keep alt and advantage while continuing to kill :0) This would depend on the plane I am in. :aok
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E - Fly past horde.. perhaps dropping in to take a pot shot or two, then run like a girly girl directly away from the heading of the conga line.
This tactic normally ties up 5 or 6 enemy who insist on hunting me down.
So, in effect, I have single handedly removed 5 or 6 A/C from the proximity of my countrymates coming in behind. Of course, I will stay low, to keep them from grabbing, and eventually die, as I rarely fly planes that outrun most others.
But, hey.. if I can remove 5 nme A/C from the combat area, that's as good as 5 kills as far as the country goals are concerned.
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Usually A, but I also like to drag one or two away from both their horde and mine and have a little sideshow.
Furballs are a blast, but I prefer smaller fights, and this is the quickest way to get one (besides logging on at 7am EST).
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I would have to go with FRraptor's answer on this one. Actually happened the other night. There I was over 124 (i think) when the rest of the cap purchased their plots of farmland. So with about 8-10 planes in the mixed bag configuration below me I kept them occupied and unable to climb up. By the time back-up arrived I had downed 4 that tried to climb out. The low cons were unable to defend themselves against the incoming wave. We ended up capturing the base shortly after that. Was a fun time :)
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A with a twist. Like Shane and some others said, just tapdance on their heads, kill a few and keep em low till the cavalry arrives.
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A.
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C, Go for the vulch then drag all the red planes that are gonna chase you(and you know they will) away from the base meanwhile the conga line swoops in for the easy capture. :aok
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B - Patience is a virtue
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A
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D
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Sorta A. I won't dive in knowing I'll die.
I'll dive in knowing the other bastards will die.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
If you're looking for the correct answer of "E - all of the above" - the Blue Knights recruiting office would like to speak with you.
Instead of worrying about us so much, why not post a comment about what you would do.... ;)
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Sorta A. I won't dive in knowing I'll die.
I'll dive in knowing the other bastards will die.
I appreciate all answers because I think it helps me understand how certain folks think.
But... I like this one the best :lol
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A
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A ..............
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A rare situaton IMO.
In the MA, it's always;
a) follow your own horde and go play at a vulched enemy base/airspace
or
b) oppose the enemy horde hitting your totally abandoned field, up all alone, and throw a finger at your teammates who's "strategy" is to abandon all bases in face of enemy threat, and go join up to hit an enemy base/airspace which is already subdued for a long long time, and then come back and 'reclaim' the base when all the enemies are bored and have gone home
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Coming back to the original question...
If an enemy horde actually forms and pushes back your horde, the chances are, your own horde will just run away and go hit another undefended field, instead of staying the conga line and having some A2A fun.
Therefore, a) and b) and c) is actually the same in end result. If you stay in that airspace you'll have a spectacular experience of witnessing how all your friendlies can just vanish so quickly, "gone with the wind", in the face of determined enemy challenge.
So, whatever the choice you make, it doesn't matter. If you're a person who hates flying with hordes, then you're gonna buy it anyway.
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A or C depending on my beverage
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I see a lot of denial here:lol
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I usually end up doing a lot of (A), but if I was smart I'd be doing more (B). I can't get past the horde to even be able to think about (C) and as hard as I look I can never find a (D).:cry
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I just do what the little voiices in my head tell me to do?:confused:
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depends on what plane im in. If im in a Tempest...i just pick till theres no one left. If im in a 38 ill dive in and waste a few...slowly loosing my advantage adn then go all IN.
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A
Love a challenge
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Count So Far
A- 20 <---- SURE AS HELL DONT LOOK LIKE IT IN THE MA
B- 1
C- 2
D- 1
E- 2
In those posts were people decided to say:
mostly...
usually....
ect
I just too the first response
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A and allways A
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I fly an FM2.. a is the only option. And what is all this "capture the field" drivel?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Alt is for sissies. :p
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Originally posted by Kweassa
A rare situaton IMO.
In the MA, it's always;
a) follow your own horde and go play at a vulched enemy base/airspace
or
b) oppose the enemy horde hitting your totally abandoned field, up all alone, and throw a finger at your teammates who's "strategy" is to abandon all bases in face of enemy threat, and go join up to hit an enemy base/airspace which is already subdued for a long long time, and then come back and 'reclaim' the base when all the enemies are bored and have gone home
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Coming back to the original question...
If an enemy horde actually forms and pushes back your horde, the chances are, your own horde will just run away and go hit another undefended field, instead of staying the conga line and having some A2A fun.
Therefore, a) and b) and c) is actually the same in end result. If you stay in that airspace you'll have a spectacular experience of witnessing how all your friendlies can just vanish so quickly, "gone with the wind", in the face of determined enemy challenge.
So, whatever the choice you make, it doesn't matter. If you're a person who hates flying with hordes, then you're gonna buy it anyway.
Hey there buddy, you don't see me going to your threads and shooting your plans full of holes do ya? BOOOOOOOOO on you, I'm writing you down for a solid F!
:p
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Originally posted by mussie
Count So Far
A- 20 <---- SURE AS HELL DONT LOOK LIKE IT IN THE MA
B- 1
C- 2
D- 1
E- 2
In those posts were people decided to say:
mostly...
usually....
ect
I just too the first response
Mussie, you have to take a look at all that have posted too. To a large extent, the list is made up of almost all the furballers. I'm not going to call anyone out, so I'd like to hear as many opinions from whoever would like to share them as possible. But from these numbers, the MA should be one helluva good fight 24/7 :aok
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For me its A......Dive in at mach6 shoot wildly make a few turns shoot more wildly get myself a conga line of red guys and have my ride blowen to kingdom come. Up again get back to the fray(which by that time im bymyself again) rinse repeat. Maybe take a bad guy or 3 down with me...ALL RED MUST BE SHOT AT alone or with a horde
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depends on the plane and my situation. most of the time im in a P38 so I will go with Mustaines answer of E, grab alt and cherry pick the hi guys until help arrives, if i have ammo / gas... If im low on either with under 2 kills i'll choose A... dive in and furball... If im in a spit or an LA, my answer is always A. The funnest part of this game is turn fighting on the deck with 10 ppl tryin to shoot ya, at least 1 or 2 will auger, 1 or 2 will kill shooter themselves tryin to shoot ya, + any # of kills u can get.
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Originally posted by mussie
Count So Far
A- 20 <---- SURE AS HELL DONT LOOK LIKE IT IN THE MA
B- 1
C- 2
D- 1
E- 2
In those posts were people decided to say:
mostly...
usually....
ect
I just too the first response
count is wrong.
i gave the frist "e" then say at least 5 more alternative answers that were like mine. that makes 6 "e"'s
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Depends on how many BEERS I have consumed.
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Depends on how many BEERS I have consumed.
Parin, very good point... the more I drink, the more courage my pilot seems to be able to muster up lol
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So much depends on the plane you are in. The key to Fighter Combat is to be aggressive, but that does not mean blindly aggressive, rather selectively aggressive. So long as you can maintain an advantage of some sort always attack. Many times with just altitude and speed I have kept 10+ enemy from getting their heads above 5k often killing several of them in the process. In any 1 vs. many situation the emphasis will be on E management to maintain advantage over multiple enemies clamoring to reach you. Obviously, giving up your advantage to get in low and slow and turn with a numerically overwhelming enemy while exciting for a few moments would amount to nothing more than simple suicide.
So, I would say (A) with some conditions determined by position and plane.
Zazen
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I like the suicidal salution((screamin ))) OZZY OZZY OZZY!!
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Definately A....but if I die I would institute option (E) not listed...up B24s and toolify the FHS.
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IM confused, the "conga" line so many speak of, is this what is known a l.o.d. to us jarheads? L.O.D. =line of departure, (no turning back)...never heard of a congo line? Maybe i should call the army for a "sit rep" LOL :) as you were.:huh
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A, i guess. But not quite such a gung-ho approach. I'd normally, make a few fake passes and wait to see who's keen (or stupid enough) to 'play' and out of those, try pick off the more dangerous planes first (tiffies, LAs, 190s, 51s, 109s). Dive in, deliberately (and safely) overshoot to present em a nice jiucy pony tail to follow up, and club em as they hang on their prop or flounder like idiots with no airspeed. Its just a matter of continually 'beating them down' a bit to keep your e advantage, so you can dictact the whole engagment. Repeat untill they're all dead, or i am, or i blow it, or run out of juice or pellets.
Theres nothing more satisifying than landing 5 kills knowing it was 1vs5 :aok
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Do you:
A) Look at the opposing horde and say to yourself: "Gee self, I wonder how many I can kill before I buy it", then dive in and unleash hell.
B) Turn around and fly several miles to meet up with your conga line and all die together.
C) Fly past the horde to vulch people taking off on the runway before someone runs you down or ack kills you.
D) Fly to a nearby base where the odds are more in your favor.
i may do each and every one in four consecutive sorties except certainly never intentionaly B.
I really dont think these options cover more than half a seconds thought in my mind during the fight though, and by the time one could type the first line of this reply, I have a tree of these options continuously growing and branching out in hundreds of directions. It is by following the correct instinct that one can draw the complete picture, grow the entire tree of your mental fight, and climb the correct route up the tree to get to the top branch you wanted to for the particular view your required.
surely no body would want to limit themselves to so few options in combat.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/fighttree.JPG)
bat
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moin
i devinatli chose E): My wingman and i with ouer 2 K4s or doras or 190A5/A8 going to pull down the highest enemys so ouer conga line didnt meat high alt enemys so more of ouer frinds can survive. After pusching the enemy back to the dack we going to start to kill the ack step by step after that vulch light is on at this airfild after that we are mostly RTB because low fuel and low amo.
the way like this the 9.JG 54 Gruenherz suport ouer base capturing people moustly. but after comming back to the enemy base all is up again high alt LaLas everywere and a million ostis on the runways. lol
cu chris3
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I'd run like a girl to the conga line, make sure I was about 10K, and then join in the furball, looking for cherries to pick.
I'm a low life, cherry picking, razor toten', snake in the grass. I'd vulch a baby buggy or a kitten. :rofl :rofl
On my vacations I go to the beautiful northlands of Canada, I venture out into the pristine wilderness....
And once there, I club seal pups on the ice :)
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Agrred with Shane, Raptor, others...
Fly in, BnZ to keep the horde as low as possible, picking the better climbers first...
When buds arrive, unleahs the remaining E i have left and die usually in a few minuten...
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I'd run like a girl to the conga line, make sure I was about 10K, and then join in the furball, looking for cherries to pick.
I'm a low life, cherry picking, razor toten', snake in the grass. I'd vulch a baby buggy or a kitten. :rofl :rofl
On my vacations I go to the beautiful northlands of Canada, I venture out into the pristine wilderness....
And once there, I club seal pups on the ice :)
So THATS why you vluched me in Fighter Town last night!
I might have to give your voices a talkin to...
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A with a twist.
I try to fly to live anyway. I engage but try to maintain the advantage at all costs. If I do lose it I however change all the way to A.
The way I have fun is to fly to live and to get kills. This is the way I have fun (most of the time).
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AAAAAAAAAAAA:aok :D
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LoL Filth, just saw your sig:lol
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Originally posted by ColKLink
IM confused, the "conga" line so many speak of, is this what is known a l.o.d. to us jarheads? L.O.D. =line of departure, (no turning back)...never heard of a congo line? Maybe i should call the army for a "sit rep" LOL :) as you were.:huh
Conga line. When you see a line of dots on dar lined up one behind the other, either red or green, from one base to another base.
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Originally posted by Casper1
So THATS why you vluched me in Fighter Town last night!
I might have to give your voices a talkin to...
Well I don't remember who I vulched, but I did make a couple of dirty vulches on the (I think) Knit base in FT. I believe I was in the G14, maybe G2? We had the Knits pushed all the way back to their base. I then dropped down and made a few NEME's for sure. I think BluKitty was one of the ones I vulched. Just be assured that it was nothing personal, I would vulch my own Grandmother. I'd vulch ya in the game, and buy ya a beer afterwards. :aok
It was just paybacks for all the vulchin' dudes that had been hitting our (Rook) FT base most of the night. It was hard to land your kills, and the fight wasn't over our base at the time. They just overflew the fight and came in, vulched n died.
But even if they hadn't I'd a probably vulched anyways. :D
If I don't vulch, the voices get mad and won't talk to me. Then what would I do? :confused:
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i would be A, and pretty much only A, unless i have batfink telling me to stay in formation so he can use me as bait lol :D. thats why my kill death ratio sucks (and because of dweeb cherry pickers too :))
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E
Fly past the horde and kill the FHs because there are folks there who want to fight and I can ruin their fun that way.
Seriously, I'm with Shane...and feel dirty for saying so :D
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A
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A and C depending
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A... it would pull the weakest links away from the Congo Line....Cherry Pick.
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A ..............but diving up from the horde. Keeping alt controlling the fight till the "wanna be's" show up lol
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A.
you get a new plane everytime you take off so why not just go for the gusto?
ack-ack
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a
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None of the above.
since you have friendlies inbound your main goal should be in harrasing and delaying the horde as long as you can while not giving up alt.
People being what they are in this game more and more people will be trying to get you and forgetting about what they were planning on doing.
Stay high and just come in low enough to make em evade and try to keep em into a holding pattern untill help arrives
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Non-perk, BNZ and try and push them down. Get kills if you can, but the objective is to deny altitude.
Now... if I'm in a perked plane, it's best to decoy as many as you can away from the field. Some people seem to lose their mind if you're flying a perked plane (other than the jets). They'll just fixate so I'll drag them away from the conga line.
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Well I don't remember who I vulched, but I did make a couple of dirty vulches on the (I think) Knit base in FT
Don't sweat it lol I had to up a 262 a few sorties and vulch the rook base at fightertown just to keep em from overrunnin the bish base several times lol... But they were also in violation of the 10k alt limit and were uppin buffs, so I HAD to do it lol just to keep the balance lol... It was pretty funny, I was bish and after you take off you can see both sides aircraft easily, all the Bish and knights were under 5k fighting, while most the rooks were around 10k pickin while a few of there buds were on the deck turnfighting... lots of fun though
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Originally posted by Iceman24
Well I don't remember who I vulched, but I did make a couple of dirty vulches on the (I think) Knit base in FT
Don't sweat it lol I had to up a 262 a few sorties and vulch the rook base at fightertown just to keep em from overrunnin the bish base several times lol... But they were also in violation of the 10k alt limit and were uppin buffs, so I HAD to do it lol just to keep the balance lol... It was pretty funny, I was bish and after you take off you can see both sides aircraft easily, all the Bish and knights were under 5k fighting, while most the rooks were around 10k pickin while a few of there buds were on the deck turnfighting... lots of fun though
What 10K alt limit? :confused:
Lotsa guys, Bish n Knit were vulchin the Rook base last night. :aok
Buncha buffs came in too, as normal :)
Once we had the Knits base huggin' again last night, I vulched them. You would have thought I was dating their mother. Talk about whining.
Heh, then on about my 5th vulch, I took out a Hurri and augered, the 109 does that to me a lot. I laughed about the auger on 200 as they whined and whined :rofl :rofl :rofl
They actually take this stuff seriously! :O
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lol.... on furball islands I wish there was a 10k alt limit, and no buffs allowed lol, would make it allot funner.... yeah ppl were griping about me poppin em with a 262 as well, especially when i landed 8 kills, then 10, then 9 more lol... oh well, i like it when ppl gripe at me, and the main reason i set out in my 262 was to pork the ord at both fields, but i had so much fun dodging ack and vulching i couldn't help myself :)
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Ok, here is the situation:
You and one other teamate are heading to a base your team has been trying to capture for a while. You get the base in view and notice that your entire offense has been clobbered by a multitude of bad red guys. Your offense is now all upping to form a conga line from your base to the one you are trying to capture, but won't make it to your position for another 5 minutes or so. You have alt on the bad guys (Say there are 15+), and you are out of ack range.
Do you:
A) Look at the opposing horde and say to yourself: "Gee self, I wonder how many I can kill before I buy it", then dive in and unleash hell.
B) Turn around and fly several miles to meet up with your conga line and all die together.
C) Fly past the horde to vulch people taking off on the runway before someone runs you down or ack kills you.
D) Fly to a nearby base where the odds are more in your favor.
Keep in mind, there are no wrong answers, just curious to see how folks think. I used to be a B, but now I find that I'm more of an A.... I just die quite a bit more :D
A. Definitaly A (http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/26/HMk1vsTooMany.ahf). But without the unleashing hell part, im afraid... And you forgot the run-like-hell-and-scream-for-help-part.
I guess im not flying smart.... but i have fun doing it.
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Originally posted by Iceman24
lol.... on furball islands I wish there was a 10k alt limit, and no buffs allowed lol, would make it allot funner.... yeah ppl were griping about me poppin em with a 262 as well, especially when i landed 8 kills, then 10, then 9 more lol... oh well, i like it when ppl gripe at me, and the main reason i set out in my 262 was to pork the ord at both fields, but i had so much fun dodging ack and vulching i couldn't help myself :)
It is well known that I am a deranged psychopath, a man devoid of morals or scruples. After all, only a real scumbag would vulch a field in Fighter Town. It is so nice to know that people like me can find a home in LA's High. :D
I am already salivating at the thought of vulching another FT base, but I never considered using a 262.
Hmmm……………
(AKFokerFoder’s eyes start to glaze over, and spittle starts to show at the side of his mouth)
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lol yeah there the ultimate vulcher, get to 10k and dive in over 500 mph, and i swear its as if your going as fast as the ack lol, it can't hit u lol... i swear i pulled up off the vulch and there was an ack tracer that was winging with me on the way out lol... I don't think you have enough room on your screen to lead a 262 goin over 500mph in an ack gun lol... I can't wait until work is over so I can do it again :)... and your right it takes a real scumbag to vulch at FT lol, glad there are ppl like us that aren't afraid to be called that lol :aok
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now if a 163 was available i would have used that :)
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Originally posted by Iceman24
now if a 163 was available i would have used that :)
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to make a travisty of the game ;)
However, I often wished we had 163s to take out the buffs. Plus the darn this is a deadly little dog fighter. :aok
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LOL, ICEMAN, if you can admit that, then i can admit i ho'd ya 2wice and won too~~ iceman 24 lol, i love la's high. :):aok
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I will probably be in a 51B and at that point dive in and ping 3 or 4 on my way through. Then I hit the deck and run like a scalded dog with at least half of them on my 6, leading them to my countrymen who will have alt. We then slaughter them like the ganging scum they are - all the while mocking their cries on channel 200. :lol :rofl :D
Magoo
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c spreads the most hate and discontent
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there is no spoon.
time is relevant.
death is inevetable.
there is never a need to choose between only four courses of action in air combat.