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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Morpheus on November 16, 2005, 06:55:35 PM
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I'll pay a skinner to make this.
She has no guns either. Is it a photo recon plane?
Whatever the heck skin it is, its sexy as hell.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/p38_5.jpg)
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Looking at the lack of guns I'd guess it might be an F-5 PR aircraft. I'm not sure where the F-5's cameras were located or if the USAAF was fond of special PR colors like the RAF was though.
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They were loaded in the nose now that I think about it... I think anyways. That would explain the lack of guns. Also there's the weight savings.
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Yep, photo recce F5B-1LO Lightning. Based on the early P38J which is what is trailing it. Note the early model rounded windscreen with the seperate armor like our AH P38G.
Very well known photo sortie taken in the Fall of 1943.
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Sweet blue!
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My understanding -
Can't have photo-recce skins, not historical on the aircraft type in-game.
Only reason I can have the "Pink Spit IX" is because it was an FR IX, i.e. Fighter/Recce, a fully armed photo recce Spit IX.
Unless they have changed this.
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awwwwwwwwww but it is so dam SEXY looking. Blue PJ. I'd finnaly have my BK plane. :D
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Originally posted by Kev367th
My understanding -
Can't have photo-recce skins, not historical on the aircraft type in-game.
Only reason I can have the "Pink Spit IX" is because it was an FR IX, i.e. Fighter/Recce, a fully armed photo recce Spit IX.
Unless they have changed this.
Erm... We have PR spits. I know that for a fact. The pink spit is a PRIX, and it was in AH pre2.06. It's being reskinned as we speak.
Photo recon planes are allowed, from memory.
EDIT: I mean there's little dif between a PRIX and a recce 38. There's been recce p51s, recce mossies, etc.. Tons of them. Recce 109Es and Gs and recce spits. No reason NOT to skin 'em.
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Krusty -
The Pink Spit is an FR IX, not PR IX.
FR - Fighter/Recce, fully armed photo recon Spit IX, not an unarmed PR version.
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big deal its a cool skin, we owe it to the PR guys who flew them to have it in the game!!!:D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Erm... We have PR spits. I know that for a fact. The pink spit is a PRIX, and it was in AH pre2.06. It's being reskinned as we speak.
Photo recon planes are allowed, from memory.
EDIT: I mean there's little dif between a PRIX and a recce 38. There's been recce p51s, recce mossies, etc.. Tons of them. Recce 109Es and Gs and recce spits. No reason NOT to skin 'em.
FR and PR are totally different things. FR birds were fighters with cameras that could defend themselves.
PR birds had no defensive weapons, relying on speed and 'stealth' to get the job done.
F6Cs and F6D Mustangs still had all their weapons as did the "pink" 16 squadron FRIXs. They were modified Fighter Spits not the long range recce Spit X or XI.
Find a reason for a photo recce mission in AH and it would work then :)
Maybe ToD will require post strike photos so folks can fly F5s or Spit PRXIs
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep, photo recce F5B-1LO Lightning. Based on the early P38J which is what is trailing it. Note the early model rounded windscreen with the seperate armor like our AH P38G.
Very well known photo sortie taken in the Fall of 1943.
In all the P-38 photos I've seen, the pilot sits high in the cockpit but yet the default view in AH, the pilot sits rather on the low side.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
big deal its a cool skin, we owe it to the PR guys who flew them to have it in the game!!!:D
I don't see why we couldn't have it. One of the Raiders made the black night fighter P-38 skin and it's in the game or at least was the last time I looked.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
One of the Raiders made the black night fighter P-38 skin and it's in the game or at least was the last time I looked.
I have never seen a P38G,H, J, or L model with black paint... I'd like to see a picture of one, as far as I know this skin is questionable based on history from what I know.
It is just as well, that thing really stands out in the MA and makes shooting it down much easier.
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Originally posted by Delirium
I have never seen a P38G,H, J, or L model with black paint... I'd like to see a picture of one, as far as I know this skin is questionable based on history from what I know.
It is just as well, that thing really stands out in the MA and makes shooting it down much easier.
Jager's Black 38J got past the folks at HTC. It's based on an OD/Gray 20th FG bird. It's in there but it really shouldn't be cause it's not historically correct at all. Even has the red surround to the star and bar from late 43 yet it's supposed to be a post D-Day 20th FG 38.
Never happened :)
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You know, we could solve this problem REALLY REALLY EASILY.
Allow Recon planes to be skinned and Ingame. However, the moment you get up to 15 skins, the recon plane gets bumped in favor of a real plane.
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Limits suck, silly rules suck more.
Sexy blue PJ's are good.
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Gotta kinda go with Morph here...
I don't care if it was FR or PR. It IS historically accurate (we can see the pic right here), and it's way cool. Would look great...even if you could see it a mile away. Hell...why not?
We have tons of really great skins, thanks to alot of hard work...but they (necessarily) all follow a certain theme. These 'out there' schemes are therefore a fun, breath-of-fresh-air to me.
Know another one I'd like to see? I recollect a photograph I saw of a B-24 'Pathfinder' variant, in which the AC had been painted a blinding white, and covered with multi-colored polka-dots ! IIRC, these were used like pace cars to assist in the assembly of formations, and (I think?) to lead formations when the bombing tactic was for the formation to drop when the lead dropped.
They just seem fun, basically. Guess I'm kind of a 'Flying Circus' type...
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Love that pic. I touched it up a little to remove the ugly dark strip on the far right and used it as my wallpaper for the longest time.
On the subject of questionable P38 skins...how about one that makes it look like a droop snoot? I recall reading that someone actually used a scheme like that to make the LW pilots think his fighter was one of the unarmed pathfinder models. Of course it wouldn't have the desired effect in AH but still...
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YES we definately need the blue 1, that looks freakin awesome.
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Originally posted by USHilDvl
Know another one I'd like to see? I recollect a photograph I saw of a B-24 'Pathfinder' variant, in which the AC had been painted a blinding white, and covered with multi-colored polka-dots ! IIRC, these were used like pace cars to assist in the assembly of formations, and (I think?) to lead formations when the bombing tactic was for the formation to drop when the lead dropped.
They just seem fun, basically. Guess I'm kind of a 'Flying Circus' type...
Hell yes, that would be an awsome skin. This one with yellow and red dots would be fun too. Little Gramper
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/LITTLEGRAMPER3.jpg)
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Wow, that's some dead-sexy paintwork.
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Look at that alt-monkey!
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Hmmm...........
Thought I saw something somewhere about that skin.
Keep thinkin it was an experiment to do with camo/visibility.
Something about the blue color things tend to take on at distance due to the haze/air density?
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I have several pictures in a book Warbirds of World War II - by Jeffrey Ethell that are similar to this paint scheme.
The P-38 (as mentioned previously) is an F-5 photo bird. The pictures in the book that are "similar" (has big numbers on the nose vice what is in your picture) belonged to the 7th Photo Group in 1944.
The 7th is described at the following websites...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200307/ai_n9283641
The 34th was a subordinate unit of the 7th.
http://www.34thprs.org/html/home.html
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
On the subject of questionable P38 skins...how about one that makes it look like a droop snoot? I recall reading that someone actually used a scheme like that to make the LW pilots think his fighter was one of the unarmed pathfinder models. Of course it wouldn't have the desired effect in AH but still...
Thats what the silver nose-tip with the white band on the 20th FG Lightnings was for. From a distance, you couldn't tell whether it was a regular "J" or "Eze-Does-It", their group Droopsnoot.
California Cutie-
(http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450004621/33.jpg)
California Cutie in a wartime photo-
(http://www.geocities.com/amyjo1.geo/realcute.jpg)
An olive-drab droopsnoot, but not Eze Does It-
(http://webzoom.freewebs.com/444thbg/Guido-DroopSnoutP-38.jpg)
The only pic I could find of Eze-Does-It led to a broken link.
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was the drop snout, or drop nose, what ever it was called now i cant recall off hand... that was also a photo recon version right?
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I imagine a Droopsnoop could be used to take pictures by having the bombadier snap them from his position.
One of the main roles for the Doopsnoop was to lead a formation of P-38Ls loaded with 4 1,000 pound bombs (Yes, the P-38L was able to carry 4000 pounds of bombs, which is incorrectly not allowed to do in AH) for level bombing missions. The P-38Ls would drop their bombs when the Droopsnoot P-38 would drop.
IMO, I would not want to be the bombadier on the Droopsnoot, no way of exiting out quickly if necessary.
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I like jagers skin though, it looks pretty mean. Even if it's not accurate.:aok
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yeah, can you imagine a head on pass from a 190 or 109, or niks, dam. Not the place to be.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/droopsnout.jpg)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/380.jpg)
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I love that paint scheme on that Droopsnoot.
ack-ack
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yeah, rgr that akak, always liked it.
This is another nice skin that would be cool for the game.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/38j.jpg)
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If I had a scanner, I have a killer shot of the 20th enroute to target with the droopsnoot in the lead. 28 Lightnings in the photo, looking down from a few thousand feet higher. Full invasion stripes. Tight formation. Both camo and bare-metal birds.
MAN I need a scanner! ;)
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I had no idea any 38s were set up to haul some poor guy in the nose. And what's with the "droopsnoop" references? Was there an alternate nose configuration, or is that just the vernacular for the bombardier's spot?
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Droopsnoops were the glass nosed P-38s that were used as Pathfinders. Carried a crew of two, the pilot and bombadier that laid down in the nose.
There was another two crew configuration for the P-38 and that was the P-38M night fighter. If you see in that blow up picture of the Lightning that Morph posted, you'll see a person sitting behind the pilot. In the P-38M, that was the radar operators seat and as you can probably imagine, not all that comfortable especially after a multi-hour sortie.
P-38 also carried these pods that a person would squeeze into and be ferried around. One pilot was asked what he'd do to the designer of these pods and he said he'd make the S.O.B. ride in one.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Droopsnoops were the glass nosed P-38s that were used as Pathfinders. Carried a crew of two, the pilot and bombadier that laid down in the nose.
There was another two crew configuration for the P-38 and that was the P-38M night fighter. If you see in that blow up picture of the Lightning that Morph posted, you'll see a person sitting behind the pilot. In the P-38M, that was the radar operators seat and as you can probably imagine, not all that comfortable especially after a multi-hour sortie.
P-38 also carried these pods that a person would squeeze into and be ferried around. One pilot was asked what he'd do to the designer of these pods and he said he'd make the S.O.B. ride in one.
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What Ack-Ack refers to.
First is the nose of a 1st FG Droop Snoot. Nordan bombsite in the nose. Bombardier in place of guns.
Second is a photo lightning covering strikes in the Pacific. Note the pod underneath with a photographer inside. This was a combat mission
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/Droopsnoot.jpg)
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/27/P38Pod.jpg)
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Morph..I'm thinkin' I gotta see that avatar full size....hmmmm? :D
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You would have to be the craziest lunatic on the plannet to get into that pod. What if you had a problem with the gear and had to belly land?
It would turn you into a skidmark on the belly of the plane.
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yeah morph I agree with a previous comment... We need to see your avatar full sized lol
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Treize, is this the pic? I got this from an old book called AIRWAR by Edward Jablonski.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/44/AirwarP38scan01b.jpg)
The second one, from the same book, was a small photo on the corner of a page shows the same two 38's from Morph's pic. I guess they took turns for their closeups.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/44/AirwarP38scan02b.jpg)
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Originally posted by Tabasco
Treize, is this the pic? I got this from an old book called AIRWAR by Edward Jablonski.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/44/AirwarP38scan01b.jpg)
Yup, thats the one. :)
The caption for that pic from the book I have (Warren Bodie's "The Lockheed P-38 Lightning")
"Lt. Col Rau's 20th Fighter Group (all three squadrons they say) was led to a target by the colonel piloting "EZE Does It", a P-38J Droop Snoot on a "toggleer" mission. Captain Herschel F. Ezell was a well qualified bombardier, and the bomb-laden fighters in a very good formation released their loads at his "bombs away" signal. In the ETO and MTO, regular bombloads carried by the fighter contingent ranged from a single 500 pounder and 165-gallon droptank to six 500 pounders and even to two 2,000 pounders (rarely) for sub-pen busting. The Rau-Ezell mission depicted was in June 1944"
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(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6555/torpedo7vp.jpg)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6577/night9cd.jpg)
pppppppppplllllllllllllleeeee eeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaassssssssse!
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Thats an easy one. Its a submersible P38, the SSP-38. You can tell by the distinctive periscope on the nose.
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That paint scheme was applied to the model 322-B Lightning Is built for the RAF that were rejected and taken over by the USAAF to use as test ships and trainers. No superchargers or handed engines. Armament was 2 .50s and 2 .30s with no cannon.
The one pictured is the first 322-60-04 Lightning II, which was also rejected by the RAF and was reclassified as the P-38F-13-LO after being returned. Some saw combat as regular P-38Fs or Gs, but others, like this one, were retained stateside and used as testbeds by Lockheed and the AAF. That one pictured was stressed to carry 2 2,000 pound torpedoes or 1 torpedo and 1 300-gallon drop tank. The torpedo was successfully test dropped, but the rig was never tested outside the US.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
yeah, rgr that akak, always liked it.
This is another nice skin that would be cool for the game.
(http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/38j.jpg)
Same bird as the glass nosed camo bird pictured earlier. Lost in a crash. No wartime 38J or L ever carried that scheme. Thats a CAF bird. The wreck is supposadly going to be restored at some point.
Edit: My mistake. This is Scatterbrain Kid that was lost in 1974 with the CAF. THe glass nosed bird i Scatterbrain Kid II and it was wrecked in a crash in 1994 and is in the process of being rebuilt. Also a CAF bird.
The camo is not authentic either way :)
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Deleted, I couldn't link the picture. :(